archangel, almost as good as µtorrent for windows… :F

wine + utorrent is good

Stupid case sensitive filesystem

heh

SaintRyoda, azureus is not good. ever. in any way

hello, anybody knows what package i must install for the font "fixed"

:p

Why not?

fie, all filesystems are/should be case sensitivt

Ekmh.
I have a problem with moc.

excluding jfs with weird options…

hey…command line installer seems the way to go

i get always the message "cant load default font 'fixed'" whilee starting xorg

SaintRyoda, its a resourcehog

No decoder plugins have been loaded!
^???

thats an gui-based?

shouldn't break anything

archangel, yes

frustrated_insta, no, the way to go is open a gnome-terminal, and install using the handbook

archangel, qt, btw

ok, to bad

open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and comment out that fontpath

archangel, ah, you need a cli thingy?

I know that. Hence the 'lots of RAM' comment.

is there a util that will try and auto detect your settings for X?

bmax, X -configure

SaintRyoda, well poorly written "im gonna grapp several hundreds of megabytes for a stupid download" piece of shit java software isnt good. in any way.

bmax, then run the command it tells you to and test your mouse

*grabb

bmax, press ctrl+alt+backspace to go back to CLI

Skankerpotimous, no!

bmax, and copy /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Any suggestions for a Client/Tracker then?

awesome ubuntu made me soft

nolimitsoya, hum… how to leave the X server then?

SaintRyoda, like, fex ktorrent?

nolimitsoya, i cant leave that screen without killing X

yeah Ubuntu doesn't arouse me, either

arouse?

Skankerpotimous, ctrl+ffoo. ctrl+alt+bkspc _kills_ the server, and thats not the same as going to tty )

ktorrent doesn't have a built-in tracker

It is also often useful to search the web on "xorg.conf" and your video card. There are a lot of functioning config file floating around the web.

nolimitsoya, but you just test, then you want to get rid of it
nolimitsoya, lol

ktorrent apparently reports transfer amounts wrong
usually not in your favor

fie, it does?

nolimitsoya , you should edit the x-server howto, if you feel its that important
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

nolimitsoya, That's what I read on a torrent site.

octavarium, well, it might be important for some poor fellow doing work in an x application while requesting help in this channel

nomachine isn't in portage

reisio, ah, i founded…

nice

font-misc-misc und font-cursor-misc

ctx144k:

fie, well, i cant say i frequent torrent sites. ) is there a bug filed or some other substantial information i might dig into?

bmax, your best bet would be to read the doc @ http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml for help with xorg
if you can

so, no more suggestions?

SaintRyoda, for what?

A torrent client
And a tracker too

how come my audacious has no mp3 support even though i have the use flag and the plugins emerged

i do maintain ktorrekt as an excellent client

aye, and rtorrent also has it's limitations =/

if you _need_ a tracker, im sure you can find one

hehehehe

nolimitsoya, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTorrent

hmm anyone using lzma for squashfs here?

Under controversy…

fie, aye, ty. then i wish to correct my statements on ktorrent…

ktorrent is really the only software from KDE that I enjoy.

still, it states no citation…
o.O

I havn't noticed my ratio out of wack
It doesn't

fie, then this might be just another myth. i found lately that the wikipedia raid page said jbod arrays could be destroyed with no(/zero/null) recoverable data if one drive in the array failed
one of the downsides of a wiki i guess…

why do i have to link /etc/localtime to my timezone, when there is a variable for that in /etc/conf.d/clock?

great….dialog installer doesn't wanna work, either "fatal exception"

marvs, this is gentoo, and we do things the hard way :F

nolimitsoya, I didn't read it on wiki originally.
I was on some tracker website reading which clients they suggested.
and ktorrent was on what they didn't suggest becuase of the ratio thing.

Yeah, we're hardcore

fie, no, but anyone who read it on some torrent page probably edited the wiki

But like I said, I still use it anyway.
maybe…. it is listed under "controversy" so whatever.

frustrated_insta, for god's sake, follow the handbook and open a terminal
gentoo frustrated_insta handbook

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml

hallelujah
praise the bot

SaintRyoda, erm.. it wouldnt have done anything if i didnt tell it to

i've got the handbook…all printed up…right here…i'd love to do exactly what u're telling me

oh! And Skankerpotimous too

did the fdisk in terminal, too

Anyone know a howto to making grub boot an iso?

frustrated_insta, why cant you? just press ctrl+alt+f1 and run passwd to set a password for root, press alt+f7 to go back to gnome, open a terminal, login as root and follow the handbook, simple enough, its fully documented, all there.

nox-Hand: Why bother? Burn a CD and boot from it

SaintRyoda, he might be lacking CD-R*s

IfI dont have a CD obviously…

That's exactly what I wanted to know.
Unfortunately, I haven't a clue.

nox-Hand, Google is your friend, I'm not.

I think I'll go watch a movie. Ta ta

Google has decided to hate me today

Skankerpotimous, i'm already root…the first thing the handbook tells you (after burning & booting install cd) is to get the hardware drivers…only i need nvidia-drivers and "there are no ebuilds to satisfy…"

how accurate is lmsensors?

nox-Hand, too much pr0n?

frustrated_insta, have you emerge synced?

ehm, pron should not be stored onCDs anyway

frustrated_insta, try nvidia-driver, and have you emerge –sync'd? if you havent, thats the problem

pron is to be kept on an encrypted hdd..

nox-Hand, no, i mean, does google return too much pr0n and no how-tos?

nox-Hand: dabble in illegal porn, do we? :p

so then i used terminal to do the partitioning table…ok…will try these coupla things…forgot the syncing

one is underage

anyone know how inaccurate or accurate lmsensors is? or rather the internal temp sensors on the mobo compared to actual temp?

I never implied I kept the stuff anyway
I just stated one shouldnt use CDs for that

This is not a software question.

aja, its still a question? there's no real place to ask it and what better place to ask than in irc with geeks?

The software is capable of handling precision higher than most physical sensors. Therefore, the question is 'how sensitive is the sensor on my motherboard?"

wow, that sucks horribly…. gentoo definantly didn't install properly at all
I'm getting "the filesystem size is X blocks. The physical size of the device is X blocks. Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt"

fie, youre screwed

It says I should run fsck but fsck says "error reading block X while doing inode scan"

Generally, they're accurate within a fraction of a degree: So the error will typically be less than a degree. If it says 92, you can be fairly confident it is between 91 and 93.

Skankerpotimous, No kidding

ok, next question, if I have a bios raid array (not detected by gentoo) and I have unpartitioned space on the two drives can I create a software raid even though there is a raid on the drive already that is controlled by the bios?

tiar

In this case, I'm speaking about solid-state sensors that have been properly installed - The presence or absence of things like thermal paste may affect sensor readings. Also, note that most sensors lag, so you're typically getting the temperature a few seconds ago.
No — you wouldn't mix software RAID and hardware RAID on the same devices. It's theoretically possible, but magnificently pointless.

aja, the hardware raid controlled by the bios has vista 64, i want gentoo on the same devices with a software raid

If the kernel isn't detecting your hardware RAID, investigate whether you have the proper drivers compiled (not as modules!) to your kernel.

aja, as I said the hardware raid isnt a true hardware raid… its an onboard chipset

Yes - you can't do that. RAID has an inadequate amount of magical ability to defy the laws of physics.

nvrpunk, that _is_ true hw raid

for windows sure
theres no drivers in linux for it

nvrpunk, then you are out of luck

my board just came out 2 weeks ago
:P

nvrpunk, if the chipset is onboard or "offboard" is not the issue for being "true" hw raid

hmm ok

still the same chipset, you see?

is there any type of lmsensor for waterpump speed?

nvrpunk, standard fanspeed should do it, same sensor and all…

nvrpunk, yeah pull a hose and see how far it'll squirt

haha
i spent 8 hours cramming a water cooler in a thermaltake lanbox… no thanks

- CM stacker, mine had plenty of room

qcore at 3.2ghz now

nvrpunk, and you didnt get one of those flowcontrol thingies with fanspeedindication leads?

nvrpunk, nice

aye

- dual nocona @ 3.7

– 8gig ddr2
:P

why the sad smiley lol yours is faster
these chips run 3.4 stock
and clockspeed doesn't mean shit
it's netburst !

haha

also it's like a small nuclear reactor
100+ watts of heat per socket during normal operation

p13, rather the reverse, isnt it?

I was going to take pictures of mine, but once I got everything inside I realized there was no room to actually see anything :/

nolimitsoya, it uses power but generates heat like there's no tomorrow, i guess it's both

a reactor takes uses heat to output electricity, and the primary funtion of netburst is to use lectricity to produce heat

yeah true

*-takes

i blew up a 550 watt psu just by running folding at home
nice huh ?

still, nice to have one of those netburst bastards in the winter

If you haven't got an answer yet, turn on the mad USE flag and remerge audacious-plugins.

or if you want to scramble som eggs…

the second i started the processes i heard *SQUEAAAL* from the psu, just when i was about to kill it
pop went the weasel

nolimitsoya:"uses heat to output electricity" is a bit simplistic. 'Heat' is normally a waste product from such things — not the starting point.

\o/

uh a nuke plant uses steam turbines
heat is not a waste product

aja, i disagree. heat is a transferstate
aja, the energy comes from the cleaving, traferred by heat to the turbines, and there transformed to electricity

so is it normal for cpu temp to be lower than case temp when watercooled? (this is my first watercooling project)

nvrpunk, can be

The energy doesn't come from heat. It comes from the thermal gradient.

nvrpunk, it should sit around ambient temp
ideally

nvrpunk, if you are drawing air into the chassis through the exchanger

yep
:P

aja, that is heat. heat being a relative term…

my box sits at 30 idle and 50 full bore which is great for noconas

nvrpunk, then i suggest you turn the fan the other way

this way is ok!

hey what backend do you guys use for your mail servers, mbox, maildir or database?

nvrpunk, no, it ist

you have no idea how much effort that would take

What, undoing four screws and turning a fan around?

nvrpunk, you have other stuff in that case that doesnt like living in a tropical environment. hot air should be dumped outside the case, not inside

So SATA is a light version of SCSI
:|

its a thermal take lanbox… look it up and then assess how I got a watercooler in it

I hope your chipset has a good heatsink.

it does!

i watercooled my chipset as well

fie, no, its serial ata. scsi is serial as well, but separate

scsi is NOT serial

p13, its not?

Allow me to point you to SAS.

SAS is SAS is not SCSI

No, it's not, but there's SAS (closely related to SATA, and SATA drives work with it)

Serial Attached SCSI

It's serial SCSI.

nolimitsoya, do you really think you'd need a 68 pin connector for a serial interface ?
no

But true, SCSI isn't serial, but there are serial versions of it.

p13, nope, my bad

SAS is serial attaches storage
not serial attached scsi

nolimitsoya, how did I come up with that then?
Maybe because my hardrive was using scsi drivers?

SCSI is electrically serial

and ata drivers?

aidanjt, with a parallel sync model

Dear, the people who develop SAS disagree with you.

Monkeh, because they are from the same SIG, still doesn't make it scsi

Please note how they specifically call it 'Serial Attached SCSI'.

I suppose - but my point is that heat is only used as a (fairly inefficient, but easy) way to transfer energy from one point in the system to another — the energy used to generate power comes from a different source (chemical, kinetic, nuclear, etc.). Geothermal is one of the few energy
sources that start with heat, and that only works because of a temperature gradient - not the ambient heat itself

p13, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Attached_SCSI

others specificly call it serial attached storage
this is a pointless discussion

And others don't write it.

p13, it is.

aja, agreed

fact remains

fie, all discussions are pointless. havent you heard that arguing on the internet is like participating in a certain athletic event?

sas != scsi
you said it yourself in the description

SAS is just a SCSI version of SATA

it's serial attached scsi, scsi that is attached through a serial ptp bus

nolimitsoya, of course.

fie, that said with a huge portion of humor

it still uses the SCSI packet interface, the cabling is irrelivant

fie, or esprit, what ever floats..

aidanjt, scsi = small computer systems INTERFACE
it is not irrellevant

*talks

aidanjt, whatever you say

Pillows are more interesting (comfy too)

has any one whilst scripting come accross an oppsosite to basename?

ohh, good point

Sorry guys :-/
We should talk about something else.

squigly, yes, and he was wuite rude :F

How about that theory of relativity.

*q

squigly, dirname ?

way off topic

You could totally make a hard drive go faster if you could alter the speed of time.
Except as a field distortion rather than in general.

hye guys, how come my login banner says "This is bm-laptop.(none) (Linux-xxx)" how do i get rid of the .(none)?

time isn't real, it's just a mathematical neccesity

aidanjt, same can be said about all dimentions

Paraphrasing Hawking: Time is the direction in which shit happens.

indeed, but at least you can manipulate and move through x, y, and z

aidanjt, well, time can be manipulated as well
and moved through…
one way, sure, but still…

What OS would Data from Star Trek run?

LINUX! \o/
sorry for caps, but it needed shouting :]

you can't manipulate time, and time is unidirectional

nolimitsoya, Yes, time can easily be manipulated…. with drugs

lol fie

aidanjt, of cource you can. just regulate the speed at which you move through the other dimentions

Assuming you just want to pass it, sleeping is generally easier.

that's the illousion of time distortion, matter behaves slightly different at high velocities

Monkeh, That only works if you count conciousness as a dimension.

That's 'perception of time'. And trust me — you really don't want to have hallucinations associated with causality. Serious bad trip.

aidanjt, ah, but then, what is time if not the illusion of movement?

I'm wondering if I've seen a more off-topic discussion in here before.

nolimitsoya, You have to view time as a whole… the universe from start to stop…

true, but the same can be said for the perception of reality

if there is a start and stop

Monkeh, in a few moments you will have

and if the universe stops then did it ever really exist in the first place?

soooo… anyone know anything about the .(none) issue im having?

I say that even though we exist at this moment… the dimension of time says that we also don't exist.

cyclic expanse and reduction
only way entropy can be renewed

Seems everyone is too busy wondering about life, the universe, and everything.

someoone can advice me nice game to linux? is there a stategy game? (like building base and army and such thing?)
someoone can advice me nice game to linux? is there a stategy game? (like building base and army and such thing?)

aidanjt, You mean expansion and contraction of the universe?

anyone care to elaborate on what this discussion has to do with gentoo support and if we may soon distort ourselves back on topic?

That's not really relevant to time in general.

_nightw0lf^, homeworld under wine?

I know, because time is null

the universe still exists when it contracts to "nothing"

indeed

suiside, well, there is a time dimention for the gentoo project, is there not?

I'm not sure it will run good on wine.. is there linux-based strategy game?

_nightw0lf^: there's freeciv, if that tickles your fancy

_nightw0lf^, Chess.

_nightw0lf^: look in games-strategy

Or that.

where to look?

Gentoo pwned my face it makes me sad.

fie, well, as a final note to the discussion, no. time stops when energy does, and with it mass.

_nightw0lf^: using eix, equery or visiting packages.gentoo.org or gentoo-portage.com

energy never really stops

aidanjt, Supposedly.

laws of conservation prohibit it

Laws have been disproven before.

aidanjt, laws are ment to be broken

true, but it has net to be proven wrong
s/net/yet

It can never be proven wrong if everyone believes it.

right…
remember the brontosaurus? :p

aidanjt, yes, but provided that the universe turn into an infinitely small mass, so does the energy. infinitely small=nothing
*s

Not often in science. They tend to simply be revised and extended into previously unexplored areas, not disproven outright.

reisio, You mean the non-existant dinosaur?

well a black hole isn't nothing, the energy it stores is enormous

yes, that one

aidanjt, yes, but the black hole is not infinitley small
its just very small

only everyone thought it existed for years, they even taught about its existence in elementary schools

uh, yes it is, that's why it's called a singularity

reisio, Yeah, but palientoligists are a bunch of hippies
:P

besides, they are eating them selves through this process of collapsing
aidanjt, ^

nolimitsoya, Everything is infinantly small.

they don't eat themselves, they eat everything around them

aidanjt, the portions that realy are singular, realy do sease to exist. that is ahy they are constantly fading

Black holes have a radius. Singularities are not forbidden from having extent.

including particles

you could at least spell the word right if you're going to insult them :p

you're thinking of the event horizon?

That last comment was rather pointless

find me a comment that is pointful :p

.

lol

aidanjt, no, they do still have a radius, and they do reduce in mass, relative to the amount of materia they take in

has someone measured this 'radius'?

There are a number of them — there's the Schwartzschild radius, too

stupid directX 10
Monopolizing the market!

aidanjt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole#Sizes_of_black_holes - reading

speculation is fruitless, we know black holes have mass, but they're so massively heavy that matter doesn't behave anything in the same way as in our universe, that includes volume

last i checked, the black holes where within our universe, hence abiding the same laws of physics

we don't have physics for something so heavy it sucks in light

aidanjt, yes we do, but we dont have the mathematical rules set up properly

Ummm — yes we do. Hawking and others have been describing that physics for about a half-century.

so hawkings has had a peek around inside a black hole and figured out the whole workings of it?
again, speculation is pointless
there's lots of ideas, just completely empty on facts

Sigh. Get an education in physics, and we can have an interesting conversation. Hint: Just because you can't visit it, doesn't mean you can't describe it. And there are lots of facts — one of the reason's we put the Hubble up was to collect more of them.

sorry to interupt black hole talk, but… my sound has stopped working. It plays but there is no output. The channel isn't muted, I think I had this before and had to go into alsamixer to fix it… any ideas?

misc–: Is the channel muted (not the master)?

misc–, thied recompiling the alsa driver module?
aidanjt, please read the "Singularity at a single point" porton of the wikipedia article

that's nonsense, if someone who didn't know anything about computers looked at windows they'd think that it operates on pressing widgets and typing charactors, and that's all there is to it

the PCM one looks weird. It doesn't have "00" under PCM graph, but in master it does. I think something is up with PCM, I just can't remember what I did last time to fix it!

the same thing applys to physics

no… it's not that drastic of a problem, it's something I've accidently pushed and stuffed up the sound

misc–, nothing means the channel cant be muted. 00 or MM means on/mute

I have never been to Bulgaria, but I am certain that if I dropped a brick there, it would accelerate toward the center of the Earth. You, apparently, would need to visit before agreeing.

ohhh right I see, ok

hi guys
are linux-vserver users among us?

hi ManaPirat

i'd be happy to hear about current experience with gentoo powered vservers

guys startx will fail if im not logged in as root any suggestions?

FireDemonSiC, add your user to the video group
or what ever its called…

what file am i looking to edit?
xorg.conf?

I've emerged freecraft, how can I install the fcmp so I would play without a cd? I just don't have the cd..

group, i think

yeah, gpasswd -a user video

or was it the other way ’round?

usermod can work also correct?

not if there was a microsingularity overhead in Bulgaria, thus my point, physics isn't black and white.. laws interact, things happen that we can't properly explain (that's why we have quantum physics, to add fuzziness to what's really an ordered system)

got it
brb

anyway, this is all way off topic, and people need help

Agreed. I'm bored.

ok guys thanks
tried it, startx still only runs kde only if im logged in as root or su
otherwise it falls back to command line

FireDemonSiC, did you shut down roots xserver before starting a new for you user?

FireDemonSiC, try as user and check cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -E '(EE|WW)'

fie, how can DX10 be a monopoly!!!! there aint alot out there…

yes

Naib, how cant it be a monopoly? its only got one provider…

oh god … CUPS blows ding dongs

Naib, It's a monopoly in that it only works with Vista.
Any game made with DX10 won't work on anything but Vista.

The thing is

Shadowrun

they're planning on make OGL a wrapper for DX10

Lost Planet Extrme Condition

barque2, yes, but till the wine team get round to it, its only got one provider

the no-tick function only works in the linux hosting kernel, does that make it a monopoly

and D3D10 is the only D3D with SM4 support
Therefore

exclusive != monopoly

Naib, no, becuase the linux kernel is open source.

Naib, in the no-tick market, yes

M$ is plunging DX is into the depth of shit

balding?

DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!!

what file do i check again?

FireDemonSiC, you dont check a file -.-

Oh.. DX10 works on 360 too…

FireDemonSiC, well, you can, but thats not very usefull

you forgot one

But they don't support DX10 on the most used desktop OS in the world.

FireDemonSiC, /etc/groups, or something

lol well, whats the deal with X?

I wonder if Steve Balding's ever going to make another good strategic move for M$… like shooting himself in the head at a Web Developers conference or something

i dont feel very comfortable being logged in as root =/

Unless MS makes a version of DX10 for XP I think they will see another suit.
FireDemonSiC, I'm haxing you lol j/k

FireDemonSiC, why not? the windows world has been doin it for years -.-

rofl
LOL
hence the reason im not running windows

fie, hopefully they won't do that

where I can find ebuild for "fcmp" ?

and DX will get the death it so rightfully deserves

but my dear FireDemonSiC, havnt you heard that windows offer lower tco than linux?/sarcasm

Vista is killing microsoft.

lol…finally downloading stage 3 tarball…but don't think i've got the preceeding steps done correctly

fie, i wish o

You can't kill DirectX unless you have anything to replace it. and you don't.

lol

fie, yes, but someone gotta take care of good ol' NT hatin' DX no?

It certainly isn't going to be the last of MS

Stonefish, opengl?

DX is more then 3d you know

opengl is an alternative to direct3d, not directx

THAT is why it was originally attractive to dev's

DX is a whole set of shitty APIs

Naib, yes, then add openal to the mix

but my dear soya, havent you heard vista offers "advanced drm", as well as sending usage statistics to microsoft on all your little activities

There is no preceeding steps anymore. stage1 and stage2 is for Gentoo developers these days

that makes no sense!!

FireDemonSiC, yes, who wouldnt want that?

Well, pulling together OpenAL OpenGL and a few other things aint that hard

you say ogl is a replacement for DX, when it aint

yea i'm really pissed about vista

i wish u were correct about vista…still see far too many linux-resisters

its ram usage is ridiculous

had you said OGL,OAL,SDL then sure

oh and has anyone seen the youtube where vista marked all the files on an ubuntu install as "uncopyrighted" and erased the entire partition?

You see…

but it shipped with my laptop so no xp drivers are available

Stonefish, While there is no unified solution that will do everything DirectX does, with a combination of libraries - SDL, OpenMAX, OpenML, OpenGL, OpenAL, FMOD, etc.

no stage1 and stage2 is for idiots these days :p

i'm stuck in that os

from wikipedia

Naib, see, there is stuff to replace the shit with

rarely, people with really odd hardware

M$ is starting to lure in developers into buying newer and newer crap… AKA Consumer Engineering

only once I corrected you

frustrated_insta, Well Linux isn't really there yet either.

what they didn't see was that

although i do like the new search box in the start menu

It's getting better all the time.

don't spread FUD

Naib, nitpicking

Developers are smart to begin with
therefore they're not going to buy into BS hype

starting? They've done it for years.

in a channel where specifics is needed to fix…

have to agree with you there, 2

note on *DEVELOPERS*
DX coders yadi yadi yada

I heard you.

Yeah but, SM4 exclusively on D3D10 exclusively on Vista was just a brilliant move

dude don't make fun of people because they're bald, make fun of them because they're ignorant retard jerkoffs :p

at least Vista is something of a real operating system, DRM aside

like the most brilliant they ever did in a while

yes, getting better, but i'm very frustrated with the fact that i can't get my surround sound working with alsa & linux…tried everything…but works perfectly in winblows

it's the same OS as Windows XP and Windows NT :p

and by brilliant I mean… extremely hilarious and self destructive
like MTV's jackass

even with tons of help from alsa channel, never could get ssound going…nothing on rear speakers

reisio, no it isnt, it has this realy cool wm, and… well, guess your right…

not really, there was a heap of changes made, a lot for the better

frustrated_insta, OSS?

:p
it's still just Windows NT (with tons of crap on top)

i was trying with alsa…didn't really try oss

my cupsd is being unresponsive

A while back, they made DX non-installable on NT

NT didn't have symlinks, or real memory management

i have to admit i don't hate xp

another brilliant move

I click a link on the web interface and it will seemingly crash

I mean

then neither does Vista, because it's NT :p

malware aside it works well on slower systems

it's still running but doing next to nothing

Does Mr. Baldy smoke crack in his washington office?

i installed it on a 233 mhz system before, installation took forever but it ran quite well

shamoun, how about you use it for a day or two

Vista is just NT, in the same way 2.6.20 is just kernel 2.0

it'll run like crap

certainly couldn't do that with linux and x unless you ran a very minimalistic desktop environment

all fresh installs run well

well put

p13, i have a windows box as well as a fedora linux box

does anyone managed to play freecraft without the CD?

and a windows only laptop
the xp box has been running for years without a fresh install

head of CTO dep.: Mr. Ballmer, we need to port D3D into more systems! Ballmer: Yes, we'll do that by making it Vista exclusive!

shamoun, i'm saying that it will run slower after a while and on a 233 it'll run dog slow

poor xp box

are you actually talking to anyone? :p

lol

(I'm amazed this conversation has gone this long without getting half of the room thrown out)

No, I'm giving a lecture
like a public lecture :d

barque2, i missed the beginning
lets start over

blame me, i went on about physics for a bit :/

unfortunately, i have to keep my xp media center going for excel and some government websites…with ONLY work with IE or Mozilla 1.0

read the last sentence , it's enough

but it seems more fun my way

It's M$ on a self destructive path by idiocy
nothing more, nothing less

tried emailing them and informing them their html is broke?
tried emailing them and informing them their html is broke?

Trust me OGL SM4 extensions will do better

aidanjt, yes, i usually do email them…but usually get ignored

shamoun, yes, a dx10 gpu is sooo usefull in a laptop

nothing like government efficency eh?

nolimitsoya, totally.

nolimitsoya, lol yea well i'm an animation major and a desktop is too heavy to tote around

their excuse? winbows is being used; linux is too fringe
that's IF i get a response…like with goverment of ontario

sure, that's why the DoD doesn't touch Windows for it's senseitive data

shamoun, still, that powerhouse of a laptop is not realy you rendering plattform. is it…? O.o

yea pretty much, unless its really complex
then i stick it on the school's server

o.O

government of canada doesn't even try…if you don't use winblows AND IE…tough luck

heh

but i need something with a fast gpu to be able to manipulate the model anyway

you could do worse, you could have got a mac

shamoun, yes, but fastness is great under linux. besides, most of the professional sw is opengl anyways
strike most, _all_

true

shame opengl is proprietary

but i use after effects and photoshop too

reisio, theres allways mesa

what would be a good programing language to start learning?

*sigh*, government of Canada is stuck back in the 80s in terms of methodology in near everything they do, let alone their IT infrastructure

C

shamoun, and ps is dx accell?

i think those are windows only

Web development is the only reason I use windows anymore.

/join #C, /topic

any good tutorials?

shamoun, wine

…wtf?

C and maybe C++

that's going to be hard to justify…
/join #C, /topic

lol i don't have much time to play with things like wine when midterms come up

did, sorry

reisio, why is that hard to justify?

web dev is immensely easier on a Unix

anyone enough OFF TOPIC PLZ!!!

the web is Unixland, after all
grow an @ :p

indeed reisio indeed
grow an @?

Gimp is a turd compared to Photoshop and OS X won't run on my laptop and I'm not paying 1500+ for a computer.

shamoun, play? emerge, install app, fire away

lets see, apache, php, mysql, ftp.. hmm

grow a what?

what the hell is an @?

fie, try gimpshop

photoshop is overrated

Unless it runs games that havn't been made yet and can compute pi to infinity.

GIMP is plenty good enough for any raster graphics needs

fie, besides, gimp is ps plugin compliant

what ops have next to their nicks

aidanjt, No…. it's really not… it' is overpriced though.

oh lol

I said 'PLZ'

thanks guys

I didn't say you must

I didn't :p

over priced and overrated

that fixed it

reisio, Do you do any professional graphics work?

yup

reisio, such as?
Examples?

but…

well i will say that the only reason photoshop is as useful as it is is because it integrates with after effects
i prefer painter for most things

http://megadeathgraphics.net/

MS Paint ftw!

fie, as i said, try gimpshop. it mimics the interface of photoshop. besides, many of the rasters for gimp are way better than photoshops

all one needs is a pen tool, really

had this problem a few hours ago, there are several key emerges i need to do such as koffice, fiefox and my nvidia drivers

FireDemonSiC, just have a look at the png handling, fex

reisio, 404

you have to use windows to use gimpshop :p

Or rather, java server hosting not found

*fie ^

I was about to say… :p

and it gives the error "cairo need teh X flag set"

some web dev you are, don't know what 404 is :p

reisio, link doesn't work

reisio, ….. hell-arious

ive already set the X flag in my make.conf and reermeged everything

not surprising, I made it up

still gives the error

yay i think i've found my bad dimm module
and it looks like only one is ass sucky

reisio, realy? i havnt tried it on linux, but it should run fine under wine anyways. gets rid of the ps dependency anyways
*e

aidanjt, Yeah, mspaint is the sex….
or not

yeah, but that's so silly :p
let's see your graphics work examples

reisio, I havn't seen yours yet, but one moment.

graphic artists simpily get indoctrinated into photoshop
that's why it's popular

stretching "artists" :p

aidanjt, indoctrinated?

heh, mean

heh, honest :p

Yeah, I'm hardly an artist.

failed."

yes, when you do courses, follow tutorials, they all follow photoshop

all? :p

yea at art school the first animation class is a photoshop intro

FireDemonSiC, error for what?

i cant install my nvidia drivers or firefox =/

never enough all
*near

animation in photoshop? The horror…

ug

? nvidia guide

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml

when i try emerge certain things

well its an introduction to masks and channels and such

http://reisio.com/temp/no_ie.png

no its not that
it does it when i try to emerge firefox and koffice also

aidanjt, I started with paint shop pro… I've never taken any classes

what does what?
classes are for suckers

and on top of that its still giving the "cairo needs the X flag set" line
and on top of that its still giving the "cairo needs the X flag set" line

http://fietronic.com/audry http://fietronic.com …. I have some more files around here somewhere.

me too, but it sucks now

ok I take my word back, CUPS rules!!!

FireDemonSiC, then set it

did that hours ago

US "higher education" is the best form of legal racketeering in existence

and so does hplip

its been set for awhile now

I started using photoshop 5 years ago.

barque2, come again? ive been struggling with the pile of dung to get my minolta working for ages…

http://fietronic.com/img/fieindex.jpg this is hardly artful
http://fietronic.com/img/coffeeindex.jpg

ouch!
out the window! get an hpeeeeeeee!

dooooooork

lol reisio what's with all the screenshots on your server?

nolimitsoya, you got a beef with CUPS? you got a beef with me! put'em up

is that a trick question?
the interweb is full of open dirs full of screenshots

barque2, hardly, since minolta are the only ones that have affordable and acceptable laser printers. (color)

ah

reisio, Yeah, schools get paid off by corporations.

no you've got screenshots of stuff that i'm not sure the reason for

It sucks horribly.

Why not submit bug reports?
or request or something

barque2, lazy :/

hrmm

come on…
pffft

GIMP can do gradients, rounded corners, and shadows

reisio, omg i have that same nutrigrain movie!!

so I'm not sure what you're complaining about :p
good stuff
http://reisio.com/bitterfilms/

and can emerge vmware-modules?

no… great stuff

barque2, ill get to it. ive found a driver on sourceforge, but things seem to want to fall to pieces when im handling them…

reisio, Where's your examples?

heheh

ouch
anyone I'm off to happy land
Got the pages I needed printed
and everything working fine

booya http://reisio.com/temp/fade.png

lata

reisio, … wow I'm impressed.

I have a ftp server, works like a charm when ftp localhost, but from outside is a no go, I think it's xinetd who is messing with me, I have a proper /etc/xinetd.d/glftpd but still netstat won't show the port?

as you should be

3 sftp

reisio, sadly i can sympathize with the ahlamour guy

sadly? :p
consider yourself lucky

wow you really have the most minimalistic windows install ever

who?

anyone know why svn always times out for me no matter what if its a svn:// site
if its http its fine

hi
i need help with googleearth. anyone?

ask for information, not people

Tell everyone your question.

reisio, that workaphobia video is badass

everytime i run it, it crashes. I can only see the splashscreen

run it from aterminal and check for errors

is it? I don't remember what that is

*a terminal

oh right, I just uploaded that for someone who couldn't view youtube vids

that's how i can tell it crashes. it produces a crash log and also says it will be sent to google next time it runs, but that never happened

we can't help you unless you give us an actual error

some kind of plugins demonstration
anyway
my homo friends just left me to wither a way
so i'm gonna go get some eats and then some sleep
later all

http://rafb.net/p/oT5JkG15.html

peace

Kartagis eeww thats a mess
Kartagis, which version do you have

we get it, FOAD already

4.1

foad?

sorry, 4,0

nvm

Howdy. My system has started to act quite strange as of late, I get "Input/output error" when ever I try to launch a new process after the system has been running for awhile. Things like running 'ls' and such. Any ideas?

Kartagis you tried emerge -C it then re-install it?

no, let me try it

ville bad memory? does free -m show you have a strange quantity of memory installed?

Once the system has entered the Input/output error state or otherwise?

ville like now, does free -m show an oddball amount of ram?

Can't test it right now, I'm not at the location of that particular machine.
or have SSH up since the machine is down.

ville i'd guess memory or else the hard drive

most likely it will crash again, because it crashed since the first time ever

is there a command that'll show you what processes are running

ps
top

I crash Linux all the time.
because I run unstable software.

ah top, that was the one

I rock

Yeah that's the granulity I've managed to pinpoint so far.

no you don't, you crash X

thanks

fie, only because it lets you

reisio, … shutup I know what I"m talking about.
Tell me sir, what's it mean when your capslock key starts blinking

it means you need sleep or a new keyboard
or someone is remotely playing with xsetleds :p

fie or is scroll lock and num lock blink too, you have a kernel panic

clean language please

?

looked clean, just RUDE

tdr, Actually… I'm thinking it depends on your configuration as to what blinks.

why does cla have voice, again? :p

I just crashed Linux by using my webcam.

didn't chris outline that devs shouldn't even be involved in #gentoo administration? :p

Normally my numlock blinks when it crashes.

;-)

But my capslock was blinking
Hmmm

I mean I know that would cross blackace, and thereby be unpossible, but still :p

fie, stop dong perverted stuff in front of it

But I remember crashing slackware and all 3 blinking
The crash I just had is on a laptop… I only have a num/cap lock led
bThe crash I just had is on a laptop… I only have a num/cap lock led/b
b00, But that's how I pay my bills.

fie, there is always a choice my son

fie, yes, youll get payed much more out in the streets

nolimitsoya, I'm too fragile for that.

not true

How would you know?

fie, that makes it even more profitable

fie, im just guessing you could alter your picture ,

thats pretty off topic here guys

to make yourself look better
tdr, agreed

ah, i thought this was ot day
seemed like it an hour ago :F

. ERRRG!
Pidgin didn't compile with support for SILC

fie, add the flag and do an emerge -e world :F
thatll sort you out o

which package gives me libpth.h

one that I don't have installed

dev-libs/pth probably

subspace?

someone here tried to play freecraft?

tried sure …

how can I change to video mode? i put unsupported mode and I cannot change it back..

succeeded? no.

The room died

_

G`L`D

\\,~

TOPIC! :p

When in terminal whats the command to restart computer? Reboot and restart don't seem to do it.

shutdown -r now

Nodlain, reboot should do

Ohh, thanks
Shutdown command worked

got you X and kde sorted out?

Okay, kdm is loaded and working. However when I type my username and password and session as KDE3.5 - screen goes black and returns to 'Welcome to Linux at Nodlain' 'Username:
Doesn't seem like it.

you ran into a new problem?
it looks like it to me!

is there anyway to mount a bind partition read only?

hi! please help me to use regex with grep. i need to get #/gallery/user/default/images/.+\.gif#
wrong syntax
all the images

Looks like the same problem of it not being able to connect to x server

what happened to startx?

KDM is working good, its just it doesn't seem to be able to connect to the server

can you execute a different session than kde from kdm?

for what command?

It gives me the option but I don't have anything but kde on this machine

grep /gallery/user/default/images/.+\.gif

what is that supposed to do?

you could try to install something else, like flux, that should be up in a few mins, just to see if the issue is with kdm, X or kde

all the gifs
collect all the gifs
by that path

I don't understand

Nodlain, the easiest to remember, i think, are init 0 for shutdown and init 6 for restart

filter gif files

try to start kde with startx?!

I'll keep that in mind
I'll give it a try but..

you can't get back into terminal?

pretend I'm really dumb for a second

I got into terminal
KDM gives me the option to log in via terminal

ctrl+alt+f1
?

/gallery/user/default/index.php?p=3, /gallery/user/default/images/2/300026_128×128.gif. but i need to get gif files only

startx then

startx didn't work just now

error(s)?
what user are you in?

When you use kdm it uses a different conf file to locate the kde directory I need to find those conf files
I'm in root

.xinitrc?

Same errors as always, errno111 unable to connect to x server. errno3 server error

i've done it

and echo $PATH to see if kde show up

No, thats when you log in via terminal

shows*

how?

Oh
Okay one sec

even simplier: grep '21/Jul/2007' /var/log/apache/go2my.tv-access.log | awk '{ print $7 }' | grep /gallery/user/default/images/

this is gentoo support, not a php tutorial channel

googleearth seems to work for now, I'll have to see it when I get home

but if we can help, shouldn't we just do it to show some love, gentoo love?!

It has the correct path to my kde directory.

he'll propably get more help if he asked in a channel where that is relevant to the topic

yeah, i agree! dully noted
can you paste the path?

xorg.conf is the only config file for my xserver that I modify right? Cause its identical to the working one I had a few days ago.
Ya, one second.

Is there a way to speed up th du command?

http://rafb.net/p/AyWanB64.html

i asked for grep
haha

it looks fine

I want to start an emerge process with screen but it tells me, that there is no /dev/pts/0 interface
How cani create in manually

suiside, This is a support channel?

can you pastebin xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as well too?

Yes one moment

cheers

as the topic says
find *.gif /gallery/user/default/images/

Nodlain:you're running gentoo-64?

you mean "amd64"

isn't it supposed to be path first?

cd_rom, don't bring up stuff like that, - I had kde, gentoo, all working perfectly a few days ago. I'm not using the wrong version of gentoo
But yes… I am using AMD64bit Gentoo

yeah
just make sure

http://rafb.net/p/RpVweB43.html
http://rafb.net/p/KEUukM22.html

how can I install masked packages

you're right, bah, I'm in need for some coffee

your xorg.org looks funny
there is no resolution

cannot connect to X server" does anyone know why this is?

my xorg is the exact one I used 4 or so days ago…
The one that was working perfect when I had kde up and working

hmm

I know this because the last 6 lines were put in by someone else on this irc.
They helped me resolve the dri conflict. And it worked

anyway, find is suitable for your needs, read the manpage

okay

so, you can't startt screen?

if its masked by 'keyword', then add the package name to /etc/portage/package.keywords followed by the keyword. If its blocked by 'masked' then add the package name to /etc/portage/package.unmask

your monitor is a LCD?

yes

17/19inches?
or more?

you're very smart

19inch widescreen lcd panel laptop

cool

NightOath, thank you

don't get cheeky

hey guys anyone knows how i can (in a sh script) get the path that the sh script is in ?

Skunky, yes, its true

that so9unds like a kernel config problem.

look at my command - $ grep '21/Jul/2007' /var/log/apache/go2my.tv-access.log | awk '{ print $7 }' | grep -c /gallery/user/default/images/
blook at my command - $ grep '21/Jul/2007' /var/log/apache/go2my.tv-access.log | awk '{ print $7 }' | grep -c /gallery/user/default/images//b

mh, strange, i didnt restart the server, and a couple of hours, screen was used to compile gcc

XSESSION="kde-3.5.5" — isn't this the correct syntax? twkm starts when I type startx

say again, what did you want it to output?

find is to look for files
nothing anymore
i've done it

have a play with $0

mv -v /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-ori

thanks
ill try

remove the last .5

Skunky, do you know how to create the device by use of mknod?

and try the new xorg.conf i just edited
i will upload it to you

Okay

SkunkyFone, ) excuse me, i could type your name right )

yeah, sorry, I misunderstood your question

NP

it said "Couldn't start kdeinit. Check your installation"

Keep in mind I don't know how to retrieve text from a wget command.

lol

but it used to work a week ago

Is it as simple as wget and the url then the output file?

i try to figure out which way is best hosting for you

how do i get the sum of numbers from sdin?

im trying to figure out how to sen dyou the file and you can cat and redirect the output to a new file

yes, but you shouldn't be mknoding devices when you're running udev

wget 'url' worked, other than the fact that my file is now clustered with tr and html tags

SkunkyFone, how can i restart udev, I was allready searching for the daemon

udevstart as root

lol, i haven't figure outhow to send you
how can i transfer file via xchat? :O

just paste it on rafb.net

/dcc send nick filename

you mean something like expr? can you clarify?

thanks Skunky

what have you for "ls /etc/X11/Sessions/"?

Then I can attempt a wget from there, just need to know how to remove html links

SkunkyFone, thank you my friend!

sec…

offering…

I'm not a registered Nick… I am not seeing an offer

lol, how can Nodlain accept my file offering?

ls /etc/X11/Sessions/
Xsession kde-3.5
sorry hkBst, if you said anything

http://rafb.net/p/F7pVlM72.html

I didn't. it looks right and XSESSION="kde-3.5" should work AFAIK. Maybe try "startkde"?
what's in your xinitrc ?

I don't have that

hey guys, how do i check which flags are available for a certain package?

maybe you should run "revdep-rebuild"

you mean customise flags for a certain package i.e. not globally?

cd_rom, correct

/etc/portage/package.use

i need to remerge cairo with "X flag" set

use "eix"

will list flags and show you which are used

it's strange to see nvidia drivers that start with 100 now

has anyone created a netbeans 6 ebuild?

anyone here takes cs in a university?

I'm doing that right now

/etc/portage/package.use

if you re-emerge, you should see a green USE flag idicate newuse

or major in networking?

or usenew
O.o

cd_rom, where? sorry im new to gentoo

would it be possible to install gentoo on a partion while still running in OS X?

ls /etc/portage/package.use
read the hand book, it helps too

I'd be very surprised if not. BTW this is Gentoo support.

you should set "X" as a global flag, many packages depend on it

oh… i've moved from notebook ibm 390e (2p, 333 mhz) to ibm t20 (3p 700 mhz). i copied my gentoo and after it i do "make world", but now my ibm t20 is working on 547 mhz. i want to use another 150 mhz, why he didn't want it to? =(

systm, if you can chroot from OSX it should work

see Puschkin

yay

he's right

xorg.conf is correct. Need to move onto next step.

desktop profile

ok

I have many broken files it seems

and thats in the make.conf right?

did you get my file? i pastebin it

right

I saw your file yes

systm, uh, just use vmware or parellels or something if it's an intel mac, write to a raw partition

hkBst, i know i just going to ask about some topics in networking area.for a thesis.

rename it to xorg.conf?

all requiring libexpat.so.0

I guess that's good, your problems are more likely to be located now

wait.. do i just unpack the snapshot and stage or what?
what good would that do?

systm, you wanted to install a gentoo system while not leaving os x did i get that right ?

systm, follow the instructions in the handbook

ask then

hmmm, so if i understand the make.conf.example correctly, i just need to add ' USE="X" ' to /etc/make.conf

you should switch to a desktop profile most like

hi all - does anyone know whether dnsmasq can alias? i.e. direct all lookups for foobar to lookup schweet instead?

I've got your xorg file as the xorg.conf

startx?

It doesn't work.

error?

I don't know how to put this but… xorg.conf is not going to resolve my problem

"eselect profile list" then "eselect set number of desktop profile"

I need to restore the xserver(everything) back to emerge defaults

okay, but did youget any error?

"eselect profile list" then "eselect profile set number of desktop profile"

Same errors as always

yo

oh man

un able to connect to x server

once i edit /etc/make.conf do i need to run any other commands for it to take effect?

I have had this error with my locales for last 2 days i looked on the form but still no luck — locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory

can i se your "emerge -pv xorg-server"?

The errno111 is gone, but that was only inside a ()

hey, people, where i can find my 150 mhz? )

depends on the effect you need

so no connect to X server error?

… the first line specifically says that

i can't write to ext3

xinit: unable to connect to x server
My xinit file is wrong or the file that directly talks to it.

hkBst, i just added the ' USE="X" ' to the make.conf, and now i need to re-emerge a package

xinit: no such process(errno3) server error
xauth error in locking authority file HOME .xauthority

systm, boot a kernel in a virtual machine such as paralels or vmware and specify the machine's harddrive as being your raw hard disk
then proceed as you normally would

I need to fix the xinit file. Or whichever file it reads

what do you mean, "boot a kernel"

"emerge -av package" and see whether X is enabled or not

systm, boot a gentoo install cd …

hmm

http://rafb.net/p/bAZ7TI45.html

'emerge -pv xorg-server' http://rafb.net/p/s1kliF91.html

you should consider running "emerge –update –deep –newuse world" or you might get more errors concerning misssing X support

can isee your /etc/make.conf too?

hkBst, its not green..

yes

and i think you need to do a "emerge –sync"
cheers

tell him about desktop profile

Puschkin, what exactly does that do?

http://rafb.net/p/igxRNn92.html

it re-emerges every package which might need the "X" flag
mzbot, teach Wiseguy profiles

No such faq

your choice

your /etc/make.conf looks so *weird* to me
there is no USE

…

or because it is 64 system?

Please understand something( even though I'm not a guru by any means) the make.conf is the same one I was using when all my stuff worked
Therefore there is no reason to edit it.

maybe his USE is in the file he sources on the last line

okay,

The problem is xserver and kde working together

if a package failed to emerge the first time, is there any handles i need to add so i dont break anything? or can i just "emerge package" again?

i just never seen anything like it
to be honest so no offend

Its okay, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of my problem

this started happening after I began emerging gnome. could this be the reason?

It deals specifically with kde talking to xserver

to be honest with you, i don't think i can help you further

The fact that I got kdm working means that Im now using a different conf file to locate my KDE directory for xserver

failed packages have no effect and don't install anything. Just emerge again.

Does anybody know how to find out why my sshd is not starting, there is no message in /var/log/sshd/current

ok cool

maybe

my knowledge of kde is not that deep as i have no ideas how these kde *.conf working together

OMG!

are you using metalog?

type /etc/init.d/sshd start and see what it says squitta ?

Well, step1 is - I was using startx to bring up my kde environment
It pulls from ~/.xinitrc

join #kde might help
listening

SkunkyFone, yes, I do, but the last turn metalog was not started, I am trying again, thank you

~/.xinitrc has the exec startkde
exec startkde is passing the directory kde is stored in to find the command//file in /kde/3.5/bin

and startkde is located at /usr/kde/3.5/bin

Yes

so the path!?

Therefore, if I'm using 'startx' and I'm getting the error, unable to connect to xserver, the fore mentioned files are good
No, not the path…
It means that xserver has a config file in it that allows stuff to enter in, or also has a directory path.

Help, I installed gentoo on sda9 and grub on sda4 (primary), but then I found that my BIOS doesn't allow selecting which partition to boot from as my previous BIOS did, only which disk. Now I can only boot into WinXP. How do I boot into gentoo (livecd?) and install grub in the MBR of
sda?

Somewhere in xorg-server or the x11(package) is a conf file that might have been messed up I'm assuming.

and i have no ideas how xserver config files do what and what

Well the thing is, I re merge my xorg-server and x11 package the otherday.. Shouldn't that have restored them to default?
And from default the ONLY file we edit is the xorg.conf file- which I stated was the working one from last time I used kde.

erm, i think you should delete your local *.confs too
manually

config files shouldnt get overwritten when reemerging

would emerge -C delete them?

Will conf files change while inside of a kde environment?

which ones?

no

okay

Any of them

some do some dont

Verbatim of 3 days ago when my problem started… "I had KDE working perfect, I could close my session and reopen it with startx from terminal and get back into KDE. I installed kuroo, nmap, ettercap, and wireshark, editted my colors and background image, rebooted my machine and from terminal I
typed startx, and it wouldn't load KDE."

what errors?

At that time it reported 3 errors. xinit:unable to connect(errno111) to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): server hosting error xauth: error in locking authority file
At the MOMENT if I type 'startx' and wait… I then CTRL ALT Backspace to tell it to close
Cause all I get is a gray screen with my mouse cursor shaped like a BIG X
The first error doesn't contain the (errno111) anymore, but the rest of the error is still displayed.

Im not in Linux at the moment so I cant check things here, but this might be of help http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/10/msg01584.html
Im not in Linux at the moment so I cant check things here, but this might be of help a href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/10/msg01584.html"http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/10/msg01584.html/a