have you emerged bind-tools yet?

the model for the sound device is C-Media CM8738 (rev 10)

haha, are you using x86? or what arch are you using? not that it matters, just wondering, cause even a terribly configured kernel usually boots

yea

brianw, if i add proxy at make.conf and not at wgetrc, what would have happened

well it was for a different computer

alright, hold on a second or two

brianw, yeah i emerged

hmm

do this for me: dig institute.ac.in

dont moan im on livecd

brianw, nothing
brianw, whats dig? ping or what?

it just takes you back to the prompt?

im dying been messin with nvidia and Xorg for atleast 24hrs

lets all stone root_

yea the only Cmedia thing under ISA I see is CMI8330

brianw, connection timed out
brianw, no servers could be reached

I _assume_ that's ok, but I think that's where I always get into trouble with menuconfig

are you sure it is ISA? there is a C-Media 8738 driver in PCI

ok try this: dig @172.31.1.1 institute.ac.in

Ok ive nearly installed gentoo.. I boot in and it says block device /dev/hda3 is not valid root device.. so i put in /dev/sdb3 which it should be and it says /dev/console no such file or directory and same with /dev/tty1

dig is a DNS lookup utility

wierd, I looked it up somewhere, and it says it was an ISA device, but I don't actually know if that's correct

brianw, yeah one server found

what is in the answer section?

what should i be looking at to fix?

brianw, http://rafb.net/p/0uuYPS35.html

you're right it is under PCI… I'll have to find out where I looked this up

and /nick dont work

lspci == pci slots haha

it has no entry
that DNS name does not exist

doh!

brianw, wait lemme do something else

i would choose the PCI one, seeing as it matches and stuff, ISA slots are REALLY old, so unless this comp is like 10 years old, i dont suspect it would have ISA slots

brianw, http://rafb.net/p/XtlTww23.html

your question section looks like you did not type what I said to.

I got confused between CMI8330 and CMI8738!

check this..
brianw, http://rafb.net/p/XtlTww23.html

that's why I'm afraid of compiling kernels, haha

I thought you wanted to go to institute.ac.in ?

/dev/console is there but it dont find it
odd

haha, its really not that hard, but you do need to know alot about your hardware

yea

brianw, the mistake was, www.institute.ac.in only works, without www it never opens
brianw, my institute = IITK you got now?

/etc/resolv.conf

also it seems that genkernel automatically installs the boot image and initial ram disk file system in /boot so you should be able to just write down the info into grub.conf or whatever bootloader you are using

then try and goto the site.

without the –install flag you think?

brianw, lol i wrote it manually na, whats the prob?

?

brianw, i wrote the line manually

there's alsa a –no-install flag so it seems likely that –install is set by default, but the question is then why can't I load the soundcore module

what line?

also rather

brianw, nameserver 172.31.1.1

well i am basing this all on what the gentoo handbook says, its states that running "genkernel all" or "genkernel –menu-config all" will install it into the /boot/ directory

brianw, for my surprice, it worked,

ok, then it should be installed

surprise*

so now if you type: www.iitk.ac.in in your browser does it work?

brianw, yeah

let me make sure menu.lst is pointing to it

it wont be a module unless you make it so, it can be built into the kernel as well and you wont be able to load the "module" seeing as there is no module to load

you must of had a typo in the file before, or were not using www. or something…

brianw, well i have a lil doubt

about?

so modinfo soundcore shouldn't work if I didn't have it as a module

it is not magic…

correct

well that clears things up a bit!

brianw, i wrote the line nameserver 172.31.1.1 along with something commented before, when i did the echo thing its all gone,
brianw, only one line with nameserver 172.31.1.1 appeared

i prefer to have them as modules because it is easier to troubleshoot sound if it doesnt work, but if you have it all set up right, it will "just work", you also need alsa-lib installed

brianw, echo should just append that, but should not delete stuff right?
brianw, you with me?

ok, while I'm on this topic I have another quick question. Do I need the alsa USE flag set in addition to the jack use flag to use jack?

appends

instead of

brianw, rofl, i dunno that till now rofl

which is what I wanted, because you never told me the truth about what was in that file

I assume its so, because the jack guide says to follow the alsa guide first, but it doesn't mention use flags, but I could be wrong

I assumed that file was borked, and was correct.

well if you have alsa installed and working correctly you probably dont need it in the USE flags, but it wouldnt hurt/cost you anything to do so anyway

brianw, well in that resolv.conf, i had commented previously written name servers and in the 3rd or 4th line i added new line nameserver 172…..

ok I'll leave it be then

brianw, is it so that we should add the dns in the first line?

hi, how do i get ~/.bashrc to be read when i log in? I could add a source ~/.bashrc line in /etc/profile, but i'd rather not
what's the better method for this?

..bash_profile

ok, should work for you then

LSD`: ~/.bash_profile ? or /etc/bash_profile?

thanks!

no problem

depends whether you want it for a particular user or everyone

LSD`: everyone, so /etc/.bash_profile would be fine

brianw, you there?

LSD`: thanks

brianw, me still waiting for some more doubts!!

glad it works now

LSD`: hmm, /etc/bash_profile (nor /etc/.bash_profile) is being sourced. Using ~/.bash_profile is fine, but the global profile would be nice as well
thoughts?

umm, if you have the patience for another quick question, you said to emerge alsa-lib, but I _don't_ need to emerge alsa-driver if I have alsa as a module in the kernel, correct?

it must have been a typo… Only explanation

LSD`: i meant to say, it's _not_ being sourced

correct, i suggest you NOT emerge alsa-drivers, it will cause you alot of trouble if you have modules installed and alsa-drivers

ok, thanks

not a big deal tho, ~/.bash_profile gets the job done

alsa-lib is needed as a backend for the modules though

comments will not mess it up, here look: http://rafb.net/p/eJnG4c80.html
heh

ahh, alright

this is what I meant to paste: http://rafb.net/p/JJ8Yxq40.html

brianw,

also, net.eth0 starts up on boot, but it's not in the boot list. I'd prefer it not start up. What init would be starting net.eth0? net.lo? Would it be best to rc-update del net.lo?

also alsa-tools and alsa-utils would probably hlep you out too, they contain alsaconf and alsamixer, among other alsa related programs

edit /etc/conf.d/rc, this line: RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*"

yea, I'm at that section of the howto, so I think I'm back on track. I'm not sure if I'd ever have a fully functional install without you guys :-O

brianw, ah, thanks
it wasn't always that way by default….

brianw, ready to face few more stupid questions from this noob ?

i depended on #gentoo alot as well haha, it feels good to finally understand whats going on though haha, keep with it

nope, but has been for a while now
we are all noobs. heh

yeah, i don't install new gentoo boxen that often i spose

thanks, can't wait to be on the giving side of advice for once!

brianw, well then , temme, how can i get access to internet ping
?

you can not, since your proxy server is blocking pings

so, my gut feeling says to set that var to "!net.eth0"

brianw, then one more stupid question, consider this case…

i just always set it like I showed you
then you just use the init if you want to start any net init

coo

brianw, just exporting the variable http_proxy, and not writing any shit in make.conf and wgetrc bot?

yeah, i suggest that once you get the box up and running you config your own kernel and add it to grub as a seperate kernel so if you fail to do it right at least you have the genkernel to fall back on, cause building your own kernel is a big part of linux haha

brianw, what would have happened?

language

brianw, no emerge?

perhaps, I have not really used proxies, except for transparent proxies

sugoi, sorry

according to this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=3#doc_chap3 , you should use the export

brianw, wait lemme try all those things manually that would be more fun,

ha, yea I've definately need to figure it out soon.

brianw, though i have a asssignment to be submitted in few hours, i shall try these lol

what i dont really understand is how you messed up the config so bad that it didnt boot at all haha, the default .config for the sources has most if not all of the x86 options selected by default to be able to boot it

well it was actually a celeron I Mendocino
I think the problem was it couldn't mount the root partition even though added reiserfs support and the like (or kept I guess)

the export commands would only work for that boot, here is a way to have it work every boot: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Http_proxy

did you have reiserfsprogs installed?

brianw, i have seen that documentation already and using the same, currently, thanks anyway

in that case, no wget modification should be necessary

I ended up just installing DSL instead though, cuz it took too long to troubleshoot, since it was so old. Umm, I think I did, but I might have miseed it because it was a minimal install. Then again, I did try to follow the howto pretty closely, and I think I remember emerging that

brianw, but that is not so, thats not whats happening,

is it safe to strip a kernel image?

then perhaps you made a mistake

brianw, well, temme, what i should add if i want to add in the make.conf instead wgetrc?

4.1.2 and 4.1.1 is okay for distcc?
just wanna get some thoughts

huh, thats weird, although i havent used reiserfs, used all the other ones, ext2 ext3 xfs etc so im not much help there

echo $http_proxy
yeah that is fine

-su: java-config: command not found

no need to modify make.conf

brianw, yeah it shows me correctly

when I java-config –list-available-vms

just setting up env variabe is enough?
not even wgetrc and make.conf?

yea, that computer is about 10 years old, so it could have been a lot of things

yes

brianw, lemme check, i will report back, if you want to know???

wget http://rafb.net/p/JJ8Yxq40.txt

haha yeah, i had a hell of a time installing gentoo on this 100 mhz laptop i picked up at a yardsale (yes i just install linux hosting on anything that i come across)

that is a good time to use a bin host
that is what I do for my pentium mmx 233 laptop

haha wow. Suprisingly the Celeron 1 500mhz wasn't the bottleneck of the system. It was the 64mb of ram (5 of which are magically missing)

true, but i prefer gentoo and i didnt mind the compile time, i just didnt really have any idea what the hardware was

I use gentoo…
I just build all the bins in a chroot on my faster system

ah, i miss understood you, i thought you meant a distro that used bin's instead of compiling from source (ie debian)

heh

yeah, 64 mb of ram is a draw back haha

so if you ssh into the livecd then chroot /mnt/gentoo the computations will be done on the remote computer?

mine has 32. heh
no
I have a chroot on my other system

yeah, the laptop i was talking about has 16

then I host the bins via nfs, and on the weak system, I add the bin host in make.conf and use emerge -K foo to make sure it uses the bin host instead of compiling it

does somebody know how I could tell www-client/mozilla-firefox not to be a dependency of the net-www/mplayerplug-in ? the use flags that I have now are : [ebuild R ] net-www/mplayerplug-in-3.40-r1 USE="divx gmedia gtk quicktime realmedia wmp (-mplayer-bin)" 219 kB

you can't really

the problem is … I do have firefox AND firefox-bin on this pc … I wouldnt need both

but you can, tell portage that it is already installed. /usr/portage/profile/package.provided

Santanabaer, you can install it without dep

it wasnt like that a couple years back though was it? on my previous gentoo install (2005.0) i dont recall mplayerplug-in having firefox source as a dep, i could be wrong though

er not usr, etc

ah

but you can, tell portage that it is already installed. /etc/portage/profile/package.provided

I did understand it yea thx
how did you mean ?

using the –nodeps switch is not a good way, since world updates will bring it in anyway…
assuming that is what you meant…

equery tells me that mozilla-firefox (not firefox-bin) is a dependency of mplayer-plugin. I guess every time I wanted to unmerge firefox, mplayer would have told portage that it needs it again …
the plug in I mean

brianw, something like that

right, unless you tell portage it is already taken care of w/ that file I told you about

would mplayer still work correctly ?
the plugin

I imagine

good I give it a try m8
tthx

brianw, here, some wonder

you have to copy the file over to some where for it to work with firefox-bin
i forget were exactly……

oh Elfeater

ill find out hold up

Anyone know if there have been problems with nvidia (recently) causing it to spit out 'disagrees about version of symbol with struct_modules'?

brianw, though the env variable HTTP_PROXY starts on startup emerge is not working, so i tried to add the line 'HTTP_PROXY="user:passwd@proxy.org:port"' at the end of make.conf still emerge is not working

no hectic its not that urgent
^^

brianw, its only working after i added it in wgetrc

also you have to make sure mplayerplug-in is using mplayer-bin as opposed to mplayer. assuming you are doing this because you are running amd_64 arch

ahh no

can someone help me with my direct rendering

im a normal x86 user

i cant make it work *again*

too late haha

it was working once upon a time …

so nobody knows how ot make thunar see icons properly ;(

cp /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so $HOME/.mozilla/plugins

so why use firefox-bin in the first place?

thx Elfeater !

you can use a symlink if you prefer… either way

I guess to avoid its huge compile host time over the -bin … and I noticed the difference in speed isnt that much
yeah good Idea

brianw, hey did you see what i just wrote, plz scroll up

yup

is this correct to emerge java? http://rafb.net/p/wBJAFh77.html

brianw, so i conclude that…

brianw, I am having a hard time understanding this all.

distcc gets complaining about no host found…i'm following the guide as best hosting i can
is there a way to test if the hosts are up without having to run an emerge?

brianw, its only working when i add the proxy settings in wgetrc, and not even in make.conf?
brianw, what do ya say?

brianw, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Intel_Onboard_Graphics_Notebooks_Native_Resolution

that is the wrong syntax, should be this: HTTP_PROXY="http://user:passwd@proxy.org:port

[[thufir]] why not just emerge sun-jdk and sun-jre-bin

that is the wrong syntax, should be this: HTTP_PROXY="http://user:passwd@proxy.org:port"

brianw, yeah thats what i used

btw just to give you the idea … firefox-2.0.0.5 took 51 minutes to merge and -bin just 28 seconds

but not what you just typed. heh

brianw, lol

and why helping you is kind of frustrating

hm.. my laptop is heating (according to /proc/acpi…) to about 60C is this normal for laptops?

elfeater thanks, I didn't se that in the java guide

heh

so…any distcc lovers out there?

brianw, so i conclude that… its only working when i add the proxy settings in wgetrc, and not even in make.conf? what do ya say?

what processor? celeron-m ?

brianw, lol, coz i myself is frustated

core duo (centrino)

[[thufir]]: btw you will probably need to update the java web hosting directories in firefox with about:config because the default directories are not in the correct places

I guessed its normal ?

arg…Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead

core duo is pretty much a pentium-m, and those run a bit hot

still 60 C is damn much think you cant even keep it on your lap

i wonder if my allow config line isn't sufficient

Installed GDM, X starts displays GDM then goes back to console 1 (7 still has GDM) anyone know why?

because i was told kernels under 22 have some ACPI-related problems and they can overburn your PC

brianw, lol you really frustated,??

because not only cpu, but the whole motherboard is at 50-60C

I can emerge foo –config do that? or must be done by hand? firefox direcectories and java

has anybody heard of xmacro?

it looks like it might go to gdm too soon, or something is designed to give back control to the 1 console

[[thufir]]: i dunno really i usually do it by hand….

emerge -n wgetpaste && wgetpaste -c "cat /etc/env.d/99local" && wgetpaste -c "cat /etc/make.conf"
bemerge -n wgetpaste && wgetpaste -c "cat /etc/env.d/99local" && wgetpaste -c "cat /etc/make.conf"/b

I am using a frame buffer

nah, just a little. sometimes. heh

[[thufir]]: haha well…. try it or ask someone else, that one i wouldnt know

if I install jarnal, there's no ebuild, how do I uninstall it?

want to change the ulimit -l from 32 (which appears to be default somewhere) to unlimited but even though I change the security limits in /etc/security/limits.conf it stays at 32?

it's all good

brianw, http://rafb.net/p/HRWmXO96.html

[[thufir]]: did you just install jarnal from source (ie ./configure make && make install)?

brianw, http://rafb.net/p/RBoavO91.html

you have it in caps, it should not be. http_proxy, not HTTP_PROXy
for the /etc/env.d/99local file that is

I tend to reboot the system or shutdown from the command line - I have noticed that sometimes when I do this the command line scrolls like crazy (looks like CR) anyone know the reason?

elfeater I'll have to, if I want it. yeh, and a few other things, too.

brianw, lol i thought i wouldn't matter

I'll have to install feed-on-feeds that way, too

[[thufir]]: keep the directory that you run make && make install in, if you want to uninstall it go to that dir and type "make uninstall" heh

it matters…

well thanks all

woo

especially mr. brianw

this command line scroll thing has been going on for ages, I bet it is just the combo I use on the term and shell

Linux doesn't use DLL's, nor anything comparable?

also no need to have -fomit-frame-pointer when you are using CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"

[[thufir]], shared objects and archives

[[thufir]]: yeah it uses DLLs, they are called software objects .so files

and march=nocona

[[thufir]], i.e. .so

welcome

shared objects

[[thufir]]: if you dont want all those files taking up space run "make clean" after the install and it will get rid of all the unnecessary files (ie to do make install again you will have to do make again)

interesting.

sugoi:software shared hosting both begin in s

hi all, installing 2007.0 on amd64, after 'emerge –sync', should i 'emerge glibc'?

it's not a space thing, it's negligible, I just don't want it mucked up (the shared objects)

[[thufir]]: there are tools for it - and you can do a static build

just follow the handbook

I will buy a new wireless router today, what brand do you guys recommend? I have had D-link and it worked ok, but if you have any other recommendation brad-wise?

thanks, will do

get an openbrick and put pfsense on it

linksys work though I think CISCO are stopping the brand
stoping

OK, LS better than D-link?

comparable

how about zyxel?
I've heard zyxel's stuff is pretty good… actually bought a switch for myself some time ago, will probably buy an ADSL modem too..

openvrick-e is awesome. and pfsense is damn slick

http://rafb.net/p/m0uGyj63.html anyone knows what is causing this? i'm running a gentoo-amd64 box

can i install foo from source, then worry about it later? Or would I have to do the static build upfront? I'm assuming static build means it doesn't use shared objects…

openbrick-e*

Thanks a lot, but I live in Sweden and I am not sure my store carries it, have to check it out

ok someone has to know how to change locked-in-memory size to unlimited
I cannot be the only one using pam

Can't find it on our pricerunner-site
http://www.prisjakt.se/#rparams=ss=openbrick

that 32 has got to have slipped in there from somewhere because there is nothing specified in the default config

brianw, i used small letters and rebooted, now, its not even loaded, i mean there is no variable called http_proxy
?

env-update && source /etc/profile
although that should not be needed at all
echo $http_proxy

brianw, i rebooted to double confirm
brianw, a blank line

asound.conf has gone

wgetpaste -c "cat /etc/env.d/99local"

I wonder if it has gone or it has just not been created

BRIANW, ONE MOMENT I HAVE TO PUT BACK ALL THE SETTINGS IN WGET RC
brianw, http://rafb.net/p/dD9nOS71.html

holy caps lock batman

and `echo $http_proxy` returns nothing?

brianw, no
i rebooted even

you mean yes?

ahh damn my whole idea with mplayer-plugin and firefox is a pain in the ass .. doesnt work :/

brianw, returns nothing'
brianw, so?

Hello all

same for: echo $ftp_proxy ?

brianw, lol yeas
brianw, no

so it returns nothing?

brianw, its returning

very odd indeed

you didnt encounter problems when you try to reemerge mplayerplug-in after you have deleted firefox ?

brianw, its returning for ftp_proxy and not for http_proxy

i have a problem mounting an usb external disk. i have sata so normally i mount an usb device with /dev/sdbx but since i plugged it in there is no sdb in /dev. what can i do?

brianw, rofl

i compiled firefox :/

I do have firefox too m8 I mean I do have the -bin

did you add mozilla-firefox to /etc/portage/profile/package.provided?

is there any other sdxx in /dev

of course
error: Unable to find mozilla or firefox development files

yes there is sda (my hdd)

yeah im just saying that i use the compiled version of firefox, i dont have the bin installed

I think you need the version, or a version inequality

happens when reemerging mplayerplug-in

can anybody lend me a helping hand by telling me how to associate e2dk protocol with amule in firefox?

do you have full USB support in kernel?

ahh
ok
yeah seems so there is other way

editing make.conf - USE="" … how do i add in line breaks to a really large USE flag selection?

its a pity though

well i think so. till now it always worked

try this: =www-client/mozilla-firefox-*

ok

its white space, just hit enter, it will work fine

hm but i remember that some days before i rebuilt my genkernel

thanks, kool

brianw, hello

can anybody lend me a helping hand by telling me how to associate e2dk protocol with amule in firefox?

okay, i thought i was done for the night. My ~/.bash_profile is not being run when i su from my wheel user

emerge usbutils and run lsusb to see if it sees anything, or run dmesg to see if it sees anything when you plug in the usb device

the * syntax is not accepted

i even tried commands in /etc/profile, /root/.bashrc, /root/.bash_profile…

that would have to do with mime-types

but when i su from user my PS1 gets ugly, what script is run when i wheel over?

can someone tell me how to do X forwarding to another pc? (I set the DISPLAY variable but don't work)

brianw, catch you later, me going for lunch

wiki spoown X forwarding

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_X-forwarding

hmmn

mzbot, I didn't known this how to on gentoo !! Thanks !!

anyone know the average price of a t3 ?

Slowking_Man, I'll check it, if I don't find an answer on gentoo howto, thanks by the way !!

I think the is no way around the source firefox a pity .. but well yea that is so

lsusb doesnt see any devides. when i plug in the usb and call dmesg there is "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" and in the next line "device descriptor read/64, error -71"

hello everyone, I'm getting errors when using shares-admin or services-admin (liboobs-warning, unknown error communicating with backends) any help???

Elfeater, could you explain it in detail

Is there a way to get a single window decorated?

no wait! now lsusb sees something. and there s a device

is there a new sdxx in /dev?

yes and now i can mount it. strange thing

not really, i suspect you can set it in about:config (type about:config in the URL of firefox)

I'm using XGl, and I need to run some apps on :0 (eg. google earth), but :0 has no window decorator. If I start a window manager, it will then try and decorate my Xgl (since Xgl runs as a 'full screen window' on :0), so what I REALLY want is only my google earth window decorated, but not Xgl

thanks

ie. I want a single window decorator

automagical

Elfeater, thx a lot, i'll try it

ulimit anyone know how ulimit works with gentoo?

My Mplayer Broke, it returns Error opening/initializing the selected video_out(-vo) device

can someone help me with this compile error? i'm trying to emerge xorg-x11 and it fails compiling mesa : Beautiful Code
(yay wrong pastE)
http://rafb.net/p/m0uGyj63.html

hmm from a quick look I would say the ../../ is off

ahh lol bit myself in the ass azi sorry cant help ja … aint got firefox running
ahh lol bit myself in the ass azi sorry cant help ja … aint got firefox running

Anyone know why my MPLAYER will return this error

are you in the group of video?

zention, how do I add to group?

vigr
group first though and check

what do you mean with off

zention, huh?

gentoo is fucking sweet
im going to learn a lot from using it

zention, isn't their another way of doing this?

did you try to reemerge mplayer ? I had something like that too

vandle, welcome to the community

I think the ../../ in there is off ie wrong amounts

its so unbloated like fedora and similar distros

how could i possibly fix that?

welcome

Santanabaer, how do I re-emerge?

well I notcied that the video group had crept in so give that a whirl first

can someone tell me how i can give a normal system user the right to use cdrom drive to burn a cd with gnomebaker?

i never compiled a kernel before, or had to install xorg

just do emerge mplayer again ?

Santanabaer, even tho its currently installed?

well you could open the mount point

xorg-x11 is compiling now, its going to take forever

zention, what is the command way of adding the user to a group please?

YES it overwrites existing folders

if it is then you will have to wait for it to be fixed so try another version

I mean files

vigr

zention, i do not understand this screen that is displayed in front of me.

moduser might usermod perhaps
:q!
type that

i tried three versions by now

command not found

azi:ok well check for libGL.so.1.2

I d say let him compile mplayer first again … like I said before I had his same message when opening mplayer

azi:and see where it actually is

Santanabaer, it happened when I enabled Direct Rendering support.

type group

what is the exact flag name ?

at the command line

Santanabaer, how come Mplayer won't re-scale an image, like when I am in fullscreen its the same size, with a black border.

no idea m8

Santanabaer, what do you mean?

it probably is that actually because it needs access to a control in dev that is owned by video group other being 000

you said you activated direct rendering … where at ?

zention, group is a invalid command.
in X
Santanabaer, in X

groups

ahhh

that's wide-screen letterbox.

you can use tab completion

likewhoa, what?

type grouTAB

zention, i have all the groups added to my user.

is video there?

zention, yes.

whatever movie your watching that's showing a top and bottom black border

well you can cross that off the list then what video card?

likewhoa, yes I know what letterbox is. okay lets say the video is normally 320×200. When I full screen it, the video is still 320×200 with a black box around the whole thing

oh that's odd.

thats bad

likewhoa, I would like Mplayer to scale it like windows media player does. Why does this do that?

libgl is not find

hmmm I have an ati card that does that

:-(

Santanabaer, i have never been able to figure this out. Sucks when your trying to watch, umn yea…

updatedb && locate libGL
you can use xine or ogle

strange, can you use gmplayer instead?

what USEflags do you have enabled for mplayer ?

Santanabaer, how do I figure this out?
Santanabaer, I apologize I am a n00b when it comes to Gentoo's features.

what card?

i915

dont make yourself a problem

Santanabaer, i get the same error. IT can't open the selected video_out(-vo) device

after the recompile ?

not found

Santanabaer, okay I fixed it
Santanabaer, it was selected to play on the wrong Video

except in /usr/portage

oh ?!

Santanabaer, how do I figure out the use flags for MPLAYER?

well you could try copying it into place

well with emerge -avt mplayer

ok, but how if it's not installed

then crtl+c to cancel

Santanabaer, i guess I am telling you the ones in red?

azi:just copy it there

yea

http://rafb.net/p/PTD8xQ37.html

azi:lib64

can you please tell me what to copy, and where

Santanabaer, USE="X a52 aac aalib alsa directfb dts dvd dvdnav gtk iconv ipv6 jpeg live mad mmx mmxext png sse sse2 svga truetype unicode win32codecs"

ok you need the 1.2 and you only have the 1.1

hmmm

so i should cp 1.1 to 1.2?

well you could try with a symlink
it is in mesa so I would just change the version and assume the ebuild is mucked up a bit

ClNorris, i must say you have quite the buttload of use flags there

I have even more

shamoun, i don't know what I am doing.

hehe

lol i have 1
maybe 2

or get the download the mesa library yourself and compile it in

well I guess it's normal to have many mplayer useflags … since it has so many codecs to support

Santanabaer, can we figure out why it won't full screen?

zention:
localhost ~ # file /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.2-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.2/lib64/libGL.so.1

try xine or ogle for that

/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.2-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.2/lib64/libGL.so.1: broken symbolic link to `libGL.so.1.2'

zention, don't want more than 1 video player

I'm comparing if it might be a flag … but for now seems everything alright … cant find error

well up to you - I still cannot get it to work in mplayer and it has been years

Santanabaer, I have an intel chipset, does it support 3dnow technology so shoud I enable those flags/
?

download and compile it

no idea … I dont have it enabled
sorry

i've alredy tried this long time ago, with no success

well the problem is a missing libGL.so.1.2

can someone help me with downloadin gentoo ?

can't find a mirror?

do you maybe see in the emerge -avt mplayer if the vesa thing is enabled ?

whats the difference between gentoo 2007 package cd and gentoo 2007 LiveCD.. ??
likewhoa, ?

card?

one has binary packages,. GRP

Santanabaer, yes.

VIDEO_CARDS right ?

Santanabaer, yes

just get the gentoo livecd, you don't need no stinking binary packages,.. gentoo is a from-source distribution.

so which one is better… which one should i download now ?? likewhoa

ahh ok

intel X3100

likewhoa, k

azi:http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building that may help

thanks

maybe the real video support helps ?

Santanabaer, isn't real for real media support?

euse -i real

you mean "real" is just a codec ?

Santanabaer, that is my guess.
is opengl a use flag?

yes
oh yeah you seem to not have it

Does anyone already install gentoo with the livecd ? I always get errors with the livecd, only "simple" work for me !!

you have to install manually
wiht live or minimal

euse -i opengl

Santanabaer, updating using new USE Flags, but could you educate me why having too many use flags in my make.conf is bad?

spoown, what kind of errors? if its errors about your drive try burning the disc at a slower speed and DAO

shamoun,

it's not. I usually have hundreds

Triffid_Hunter, hehe:-D

shamoun, yes exactly, it was always an error with my drive !!

as far I know .. I ve always been told that too many USE Flags cause the system to occupate much more memory than you really need, you install more stuff you dont even need … thats the point so far

only if you randomly enable them instead of carefully choosing them

shamoun, I burned some other cd to check if I burned perhaps wrong a cd !

spoown, alright then, burn it at the slowest speed you can DAO mode

yeah use flags are what defines gentoo in a way really

I ended up with hundreds after lots of quite careful choosing, and my system used exactly as much memory as necessary to give me all the features I wanted and none that I didn't

but if you need it then use it

Santanabaer, i think I may have found the correct answer.

well I of course bet there are some people that want a lot of support so it wouldnt be wrong to have them

But nothing changed, but ok, I'll try still once at a very lower speed with DAO !!

sourcemage does it per install

only have 169 at the moment, but I reinstalled after my last drive started dying

you think its working ?

still a question, is there any repositery where I can get binary with gentoo? like with the livecd ?

Im at 112 in ufed … I got some in package.use aswell

only the ones you create

Santanabaer, i have to wait for the emerge –update –deep –world

I known that some binary exist like openoffice-bin !

and use flags can be negative as well it is just a customization thing

alright

spoown might be the drive if that doesn't work. all my livecds work fine when i do them at a slow speed with dao, but when i do them at normal speed they all give shitty errors. i have a sony dvd rw that won't even recognize a disc if its burned at the fastest speed

I think I have to enable the xv use flag.

hope it works m8

Santanabaer, it supports direct hardware acceleration.
Santanabaer, me too, I will keep you posted.
Anyone know a good place to learn about programming with linux?

/usr/share/man/

shamoun, I burned other livecd with full speed, like fedora or opensuse, but with them, I didn't get any errors, it was only with gentoo livecd

well also tell me if you get it working - I would be interested in trying it out on my ATI

zention, okay. I will let you know also
Triffid_Hunter, is that for progrmaming?

I aint got xv enabled as use flag

sections 2 and 3 are

spoown if you do a networkless install, works fine

eg; check out man 3 printf

do you have the same problem as well in not being able to expand the image in the mplayer?

and man 2 socket

Triffid_Hunter, what is socket?

[[thufir]], I tried it, but the livecd gave me always some errors, I will try now to burn it with lower burning speed, and hope it will work !!

actually to that specific error … no. I tried to help him more on an device error he had … I used to have it too

Santanabaer, do me a favor check your ~/.mplayer/config and tell me if you have zoom=1

of course 1 sec

socket() creates an endpoint for communication and returns a descriptor.

Triffid_Hunter, to the internet?

it's for both network and local connections

Triffid_Hunter, I have alot to learn eh?

yep.. google knows of many, many tutorials

Triffid_Hunter, good old google.

I have to disappoint u… it is empty

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-204.html that has something on it
there is a zoom feature you might want to try _ I will get the laptop out later and see if it works

aaaargh. pidgin is so frustrating

I'm goin to get a grey beard until firefox finishes to compile
uff

konqueror is much better/faster/lighter

if I change the gnome document settings, then pidgin is readable, but it screws up everything else

it takes forever I just blew out my var paritition and decided to reinstall everything

zention, Yes it worked

wow

well there is a bit on keeping the config as well

kdelibs+konq takes about the same amount of time to compile here though (possibly a bit more time)

why for example I did never need it ?

but lower memory usage

heh?

he was pointing out the compile time though

I mean the option you told to ClNorris
my config of mplayer is completly clean

it is a weird bug in mplayer I thought it was an ATI thing but looks like others get hit with it as well
well nothing is really clean you get gentoo specific stuff in there

ya

Santanabaer, do you have the xv use flag enabled for mplayer?

in the end I was curious to know what really helped ClNorris
no I dont

zoom=1 in my config file did it

well ubuntu I think
I bet it is something to do with how gentoo builds mplayer and it seeped into Ubuntu ffmpeg works well on a static executable download but not built using portage for a while

I mean the zoom=1 option in the config … it helped him … which is good … though I never needed to set it

who knows things get changed around as well - gentoo is very much like a snowflake you might have the same hardware but your software is often going to be out of sync

yea zention ^^

fdsf

i just migrated from hotplug/coldplug to udev on an older box, but now it won't detect my hardware and load the relavent modules automatically anymore. what should i do?
i updated udev and baselayout
do i need to add anything to any runlevels?

hmmm udev should hotplug how much is not being detected?

nothing

ouch

but on another box i didn't have a problem

emerge -av system

but on that box i upgraded everything in world, this box i just did some
zention, i don't have time

it will be something in there

i've only got downtime scheduled for another hour
what can i try

hi

ok need to check the dependancies of udev
equery is probably the tool for that

Anybody has made load balancing between two DSL?

equery depends udev shows only the sys-kernel/gentoo-sources as dependencies

another way is to use emerge and the update flag I think

see advanced routing howto at tldp.org

I have followed it

it could be both ways to a degree

zention, ok, emerge -u udev says everything is up to date

do you know if it might be a kernel config issue ?

can someone help me to configure my radeon 9200 PRO card
to have 3d effects
it just stoped working and i want to play some games at weekends :O

Santanabaer, i doubt it. i have the module and can load it manually
(modules)

hmm

yeah is /usr/src/linux correct?

zention, yeah, well it wasn't but is now

ok well re emerge udev

zention, ok, trying that

what is the system?

which p2p client is most popular among the gentoo crowd?

zention, system? you mean what is it for?

yep

amule @ [[thufir]]

zention, its a bridging firewall & VPN server

[[thufir]]: amule & ktorrent

ok well could nice the emerge system

yay firefox finished !

zention, ok i re-emerged udev, but just have to wait, cause i'm building some stuff into the kjernel i missed
zention, ok i re-emerged udev, but just have to wait, cause i'm building some stuff into the kjernel i missed

thanks

yeah I would advise on systems like that to build everything into the kernel

as in for runlevel stuff … couldnt find anything you might need to add

zention, its under control. i just missed the iptables-xtables migration on this one

well to be honest I tend to build in anyhows but for a service appliance yeah it makes sense

can anyone tell me why on the 2007 x86 livecd and in the 2007-x86 stage3 tarball, make.conf has i486-pc-linux-gnu

zention, i will do an emerge system, just not today

http://pastebin.com/m730d5918
anybody knows why I have not load balancing?

for security reasons you going to be doing that often on that box anyhow

uhm arent they default values ?
you can customize it to your own

zention, not really, i keep track of my GLSAs and upgrade when i need to

why route -n shows "192.168.1.1" like default gw ??

yeah but if anything changes with the base config and it does then emerge system is going to be common place
for that type of system

/bin/sh: i686-pc-linux-gnu-ar: command not found

no idea sorry try asking later .. I think we are just 4 active chaps atm

ok, no problem

my point really is you want to get something in place to allow for it often

Can I ask questions about gnome on gentoo here?

BenC[UK]: of course
as long it is gentoo ^^

Thanks… Well, I had gnome working fine… then I did a emerge world .. and dispatched the confs (stupidly)…. and now gnome doesnt start properly..
well, it starts, but it doesnt start the gtk-window-manager
if I try starting it, it tells me another window manager is running..
but I can't see one..

zention, that didn't fix it

kwin starts

hmmm

BenC emerge –config nautilus
or, just re-emerge nautilus? same thing happened to me

zention, any other suggestions?
Santanabaer, any other suggestions

ok ill give it a go!
thanks

hmmm let me look at my system

no idea sorry
hmm seems like I say more times "no idea, sorry" than I can actually help lol

/bin/sh: i686-pc-linux-gnu-ar: command not found — during a emerge -uDv world (during the livecd, before the kernel build) and how I would go about fixing it?

what about hal?

identity chrisis?

that's part of binutils.. did you remove binutils?

zention, for now i will just use modules.autoload. and i will schedule some more downtime and do an emerge system and an emerge world. but i still have some time to fix it now …

no :/

zention, i didn't i need hal

emerge -av hal

zention, i don't have hal on my other boxes AFAIK

well I have it on mine and I did not put it on

zention, no, hal isn't it
zention, i don't have hal on the other box i just upgraded that works
you need hal for dbus stuff

I have just done a system rebuild of sorts so it may be required now

but not in a server environment
zention, no it isn't

ok dbus I did need

zention, i just totally upgraded another machine and don't need hal. udev works fine hotpluggin there.

what about cold and hot plug
it oculd be the udev rules

well i removed coldplug

could

zention, i did my dispatch-conf
and updated everything

I had problemswith sane not to long back
that one thing hung the entire system

hotplug is up to date

readd coldplug

ok. looks like for now i will use modules.autoload.d
and will emerge system another day

these are just desperate but might fix it fast 'solutions'

hello, why isn't there any "–stdin" option for passwd on gentoo??

ahww guys I might be afk for a while … need to do something against my sore throat
bbl

what about coreutils or util-linux? do they have anything to do with idev?

probably because it requires a patch to the sources that isn't included

*udev

but that's only a guess

could do

hi

I know that udev requires more than is acutally shown by the depends

i whatch at RH/CentOS SRPMS and doesn't seem to have any patch having –stdin option

http://rafb.net/p/3xipdD83.html
i was uncheck alsa on kernel , but i cant emerge try it ..
how can i emerge alsa ..

oxygen, you don't need to emerge alsa, the kernel drivers are sufficient

Anyone got some links or names of some awesome Linux projects one can look into when bored? If something that has gui, even better - beta guis ftw

nox-Hand, check out http://clutter-project.org/

amarok

nox-Hand, also, checkout 'deskbar' (a gnome project)

nox-Hand: rosegarden

Thanks bheekling zention

emerging nautilus didnt help :/

nox-Hand, MPD doesn't have a gui by itself but I find it interesting. But see rosegarden, ardour, blender. conky..

MPD for the win Use it all the time ardour, rosegarden, nope, just looked over them. Use Blender quite regularly. Will have to look up conky

anyone still updating that gentoo icon set?
and anyone remember the package name?

nox-Hand, also, if you care for little but handy console utilities, have a look at iftop and htop… iftop is like top but for network connetions, htop is like an improved top.
actually I'm a bit bored too, would like to explore something new

Awesome! Written down

yes htop is pretty awesome

I love CLI, but only when it is practical - as in, mucking about for useless causes… nah

yeah
I love CLI when it makes things faster
and I like to install and set up things that can help me with various task on my computer… so that little by little I need to do less to achieve what I want. But I haven't found anything like that recently..

if you are bored then building a sound studio can keep you occupied

actually I've been working on that
there's a problem though
I *totally* suck at creating music, no matter how much I want to make some ..
the same goes for other arts
and everything.

well you can get midi files and alter them it is quite good fun
got my james bond mixed with beet's 5th

done that with modules … I'm a fan of mod music

well really you can do what you like go for DJ stance if you find it hard to create from scratch

yeh..

or how about build your own dancerevolution metal pads

okay, i thought i was done for the night. My ~/.bash_profile is not being run when i su from my wheel user
i even tried commands in /etc/profile, /root/.bashrc, /root/.bash_profile…

stepmania is the linux offering

but when i su from user my PS1 gets ugly, what script is run when i wheel over?

as for mods, I have some trouble with them though… I haven't found a good tracker yet , for linux… and I'm lacking good players for mods. Many players sure can play them, but I have pretty large collections of compressed modules (25gigs compressed) yet the players can't play from zips and tars

build a filter then
have you tried soundtracker?

How open vim used X command set password's document ?

and, eg. MPD uses mikmod which is pretty poor quality, libmodplug would be better. also, they said they might rip off mikmod since it's not being maintained
zention, I've tried soundtracker
zention, how would one go about building that filter?

??

well if there is command line feature then you could build a simple script

any one about bash profiles? if yes, perhaps you can answer my question (a few lines up)

otherwise look to the source and build it there - it should not be too hard actually

try su -

su doesn't run the login scripts. su - does.

can you code?

zention, a bit, yes

DrEeevil: right, but su alone has to run something
what does it run?

bash

well it should be obvious in the code where to check the format

but I struggle when I look at the source code of other (bigger) projects, get totally lost in there

why does it mess up my PS1?

well.. whatever in /etc/paswd

and have no clue where I would go about modifying the bit I need

o ,Naib ,i use X command encrypt my document in vim,but i forget my password ,how can i open it ?

they would probably appreciate it as well, I suppose it is not something people think about when loading files all the time

zention, actually I've been discussing this a lot, around many different media players… they all just tell me to uncompress

"X command" as in :X in vim or an Xwindows app?

which is really sick IMHO since the 25g of compressed music would become 45g / tens of thousands of files

yeah well that is the solution - but it is not hard to put it into the application

yes :X in vim

hi

that deletes a character before cursor

so when you just run su, what config/script is it reading? it must be somewhere: )

oops my mistake

no. just runs a bare shell.

but some config tells it how to set up PS1, even for a bare script

su switches user (in a terminal). So basically whatever the shell is that is stated for the new user in /etc/passwd is executed
most of the time it is /bin/bash
which means that /etc/profile is executed, so is /etc/bash/bashrc and if present ~/.bashrc

playing bzipped files probably wouldn't be too hard with gst, just write a plugin that decompresses them on the fly

AH HA! thank you, I didn't consider that /etc/bash/bashrc would be run last
it was overwriting the PS1

it isn't
it will be run last IF you don't have a ~/.bashrc
you prob don't then

i do
it wasn't being run last tho
not sure why

things is people cannot be bothered to put it in their apps - so create a patch and you are off

when I say run last I mean command over-ridden
/etc/profile and in /etc/bash/bashrc and in ~/.bashrc each one will re-set what PS1 is

(though, tars would probably be rather hard if you want to actually treat multiple files inside of it as multiple files)

so if the last place that PS1 is set is in /etc/bash/bashrc then that is the one that really sets it for use

zention, I find it really hard though =|
sure, I would if I could but … well, I know how to code but I just get totally lost trying to modify a project that's not mine.

I think it should be fairly straightforward no matter the project it is just a matter of intercepting the call to open the file

yes, i understand setting variables. but to straight forward, i didn't understand which 'rc' and 'profile' files were called when. Yes, ~/.bashrc is called last (i was wrong), but i confused myself learning to use ~/.bash_profile

I will have a look sometime soon, but I do think it is actually quite a good little entry into altering code

lol kk sugoi

coolio
ups

Hello, I have a problem whith iptables. I wrote "iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp –dport 22 -m state –state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" and it says "No Chain.target.match by that name". What's wrong?

some modules of iptables not loaded?
rule is ok, must work

`VL: i haveip_tables, x_tables,xt_tcpudp, iptable_filter modules loaded

check your kernel config for CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK and CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNTRACK

Okay, got some brand new disks. Besides badblocks, anything else I should run over them before starting to use them?

anybody know why i can't emerge kde-meta?

what's the error say

let me grab log file

you should try "emerge -atv kde-meta"
that should tell you what use flags you might need, and what other packages are required

I'm trying to configure ncftp but it doesn't have an /etc/ file?
doc mentions general.cf but I don't see that either

CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNTRACK is a superset for states, do I really need it?

since when does emerge -avt tell you the needed flags ? to me it always just showed the flags that I ve activated and the other possible ones

hi. does someone know, what with gnome-base/oaf happened? revdep-rebuild says, that my packages need to be build against it..

donno, works for me (or so it seems)

so how do you recognize the needed ones ?

k i did that, are the use flags in red the ones i'm missing?

i think they're in red.. or some color.. maybe orange, i'd have to check

red is enabled

indeed

not sure, but I remember having a problem with state match a while back because something changed and I trusted make oldconfig too much

thats what I mean

i can't recall which colors mean what at the moment

for me it was because I was missing one of those

but they mean something, that's for sure

what flags are you looking for?

its alright Ketarel

and does anyone know how to configure ncftp?

euphor][a: I was just asking Ketarel how he does recognize the "needed" Cflags for a package if doing emerge -avt

needed in what sense?

USEflags*

any1 wanna test my ircd?

euphor][a: needed in the sense of necessary

I got it

my sound does not work i was check alsa api on kernel
but i cant emerge alsa-driver

if one package requires another be compiled with necessary use flags?

yeah gradin is unable to emerge kde-meta for some reason

how can i emerge it or how can i get my sound ?

euphor][a: I believe so

but now when I write "iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp –dport 22 -m state –state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" and it says "iptables: invalid argument". What's wrong?

i think you need to enable it in your kernel or something?

yes

i just set up my sound jazz the other day, but i've totally forgotten how i did it

invalid argument is the error I had

enabled Ketarel

it was a pain, you need to unmute the sound in your alsa control panel thing too
i forget the command to bring that up though

i can't emerge kde or gnome…
its starting to get a little annoying…

coolness it works

gnome

I know red ones are the enabled ones @ euphor][a .. but like Ketarel meant it: there seems to be a color for rather more advised USEflags @ euphor][a

in /syslog I have "can't load conntrack support for proto=2"……

if it's not emerging, it should give you an error

all

I don't think you can tell if a package needs another comiled with specific flags unless it says so when compiling it, but some profiles use particular flags by default and will always be enabled (or disabled)

yeah i can't find the log file

Typo?

minor

these usually have brackets around them

i tried fluxbox with backtrack2, didn't like it.. though the context menu thing was pretty nifty

not worth retyping

THought it might've been a fork.

ahh alright euphor][a thanks

well try emerging it right now and post what it says (provided it's not more than like, one or two lines)

i made my own ircd the 1st rule is… who am i kidding their are no rules!
ui made my own ircd the 1st rule is… who am i kidding their are no rules!/u

cp?

k it'll take bout 5 minutes to run to the point where it crashes

heh funny u say backtrack Ketarel

ah, you didn't say it was crashing.. uhh, yeah i'd have to see a log file in that case.. and chances are that wouldn't help much either, i'm a huge newb

ooo emerge –deep kde-meta added a couple packages that might do it

im in bt2 now chrooted in my gentoo partition emergeing things cause i couldnt stand working in a console only environment

yeah try "emerge -atvDup kde-meta"

well the box isn't crashing just the emerge

nvidia is driving me nutz
cant get fluxbox to start

Tell them to remove the steering wheel or you'll sue.

BT2 is pretty slick

even with vesa

i installed backtrack to my HDD, then scrapped it the next day in favor of gentoo

What is Backtrack2 anyway?

secruity based live cd

Ah.

comes with all sorts of leet tools for security purposes

what is the error message for failure of fluxbox starting ?

i'm trying to convince a school to switch to linux their biggest argument is that the rest of the marketplace uses ms products how do you guys think i can deal with tis?

there is none thats whats drivin me nutz

wine

openoffice.org

that's circular and a straw man

i could paste u the whole Xorg.log

you created .xinitrc right ?

no (EE) in the whole thing

demand they force students to smoke, majority smokes thus students should be adapted early

heh

or a 1/10 of a sec i see a cursor then bang back to the console

also (1) most internet servers are not MS and (2) we have one windows box here at work

smoking _does_ make you look cool
and school is all about fitting in
gotta fit in with the cool kids, otherwise you'll never get to second base

err … it makes you look like a poser, and you stink

stinking is cool these days

well its kind of a legitimate point in the sense that if they're learning linux apps if they go to another school they might not know what to do?

if you do startfluxbox does it work ?

if you can use linux, windows is childs play

nope

Problem is, a lot of people /do/ use MS, so they have a point. My workplace still uses Access 2000 programs. :/

wrong, if they learn how to operate a word processor it doesn't matter wether it is office, openoffice or anything else

Dual boot.

sahil, linux can be _very_ powerful in that kind of environment, too many computers at my school are broken as far as software goes

That's the best you can suggest really.

if they are trained as button pushers they might have a problem, but that's not what school is about

hmmmm

learn to learn…

yes it is

right now im emerging a bunch of beryl junk via gentoo wiki's junk see if i can get that to work

school is all about mindless repetition and copying of text

so true C

you're so negative

worse comes to worse ill live with a console only

then you have even more ammo

tbH the beryl stuff doesnt help you with fluxbox … how should it ?

Show them Office running on Wine/Crossover.

well im not gonna use flux with beryl

students will be forced to learn … *shudder*

Show them Mono for their programming courses.

knowlege hurts

ahh ok DeBugger__

Beryl just 'makes you look cool infront of your friends' there is no real point or advantage to using it afaic

im just tryin to get anything to work

they want to avoid licensing costs if possible

yea its just exe candy
but its nice eyecandy

in the sense that if they switch its going to be whole hog

tell them to ether pirate windows, or use linux, one is legal one is not, other than that, there choice is fish

mm fish

lol

fish://root@gentoo.com

ate fish yesterday

i wish my laptop had better support for linux, i think in a month or so it will

it's a win-win situation
feel free to point them at me for some real-life linux usage

DeBugger__, have you tried compiz-fusion?

sabayon
hated it

well i'm a user as well and there is no doubt in my mind which is the way to go

too mutch garbage on the DVD

yet people are scared of change

from what I know about windows vs linux, I cannot see why windows has any advantage in non-specialized working environments

university person, I can scare them with titles

and a few make.conf changes and a emerge -uND world is b0rked

DrEeevil:heh you think you could write me a quick letter about linux in educational environments?

can you give me more info about compiz-fusion ? is that what we shall use instead of beryl and compiz ?

MS is what people know, everything else must be bad

you euther take it how they have it or not

I guess if you throw a few specific questions at me I could be more focussed

DrEeevil, I know, when people ask me if my perty laptop has vista and i tell the linux, there all like 'wth noob'
these are gamer nerds aswell

what I know so far is that compiz-fusion will be the result of compiz+beryl

had a discussion once, person claimed linux cannot have a GUI and runs in 8-bit mode

yeah that's the only reason i own a windows box.. games
that's the only reason TO own a windows box

I have tried only compiz so far

I just pointed at KDE and said "hmm, I'm hallucinating again"

ahh ok thx cosminb

ugh cosminb … thats exactly wehat compiz-fusion is
a merger of beryl and compiz

just I didnt understand it
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL — Im following this howto

i don't understand how you could have a conversation with anyone who thinks linux is 8 bit