http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.geeksparadox.com%2F
..
122 errors

lawlz
not good

Fuck vaild xhtml

dont worry
most of them are easy fixes
like putting in ""
or /
thats what it looks like at least

yeah but heaven knows I am not going to do it
valid xhtml doesn't do anything

*shrug*
i like to have everything valid
i just unvalidated my code :'(
but now its html
not xhtml
i still am unsure if thats where i'm sticking

I like making my website do cool things that havne't been done before i don't care what rules i break to do it

]paste % mefisto

like when i had my function so that everytime my page was loaded it would paste to twitter to create a page logger

how to assign the background color for table.

http://www.twitter.com/geeksparadoxlog

]paste % ___AAA
damn
]paste

http://paste.css-standards.org , http://www.webdevout.net/test , http://erxz.com/pb/ , http://sial.org/pbot/ , http://tnx.nl/scribble.plp , Upload images: http://oxihosting.com/pupload/

the best is http://paste2.org
..body {background-color:blue;}
no?
nope
..body {background: #001342;}

table bg.

Oh errr
..td {background: #001342;} ?

um
it for all bg ?

Never hurts to try

i want it difference color for all bg

I know basically zip when it comes to CSS

ok try

I have to be up in 4 hours
i want a few hours sleep
i am off

i have made a small 60 x 90 bg image that i want to repeat….but it's continously repeating with the same image differently…is it possible to stretch it?
www.cobweblive.com

why not make the web hosting for online images taller and then have a y=0
no
repete x
so it only repetes on teh x axis not the y

hmm how to figure out why it expands down

and then have the background take it over

ah

so like… it will blend
does that make since?

totally

make the image longer though..
you can keep the width the same
one sec i might have an idea
try
body {
background-image:url(../images/background.jpg);
120px;
background-repeat: repeat-y;
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
whoops.. pasted in here…
thats your body is it not?

]google pastebin
lol
*shrug*
anyway

I use a pastebin
i just accendtly pasted the wrong thing in here

don't worry i'm not pissy about it
was just making fun

http://www.paste2.org/p/5411
NiaM use that

does anyone know why the menu i have creates a blank line in ie6 when i hover over an item

err IE sux/
?*
Best explination i can come up with for any IE issue
I would love a webwide movement for the banning of IE for a day
like CSS naked day… but for IE

yes ie suxors

like… all these websites ban togeather and disable their site to IE users with a link to firefox, and opera, and Avant, and safari

my site was done about a month before fixing ie issues

Thanks teamcolrra
works
one thing though..

there are people here who fix things quick for ie but i prefer just to ignore it

NiaM not quite

there is still some bg down which still seems to exist …god knows why

make the background black
add

cool
also
in IE

background-color: black;

my display is screwed
god knows why

or the HEX for black, but i don't know it so i am not going to try
i think it is FF0000

the site if it got lost in scrolls is http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php

000;
anyways but can you check why it looks like that in IE, please

I don't care for the design much in FF probably won't change alot for IE
Looks the same

mwahaha i'll make ie users have to move very fast to get the menu to work
beat out the js

i have an input type submit with a background image. but the safari shows me a "safari"-style submit button. is there a way to change the look and feel of the submit button in the safari?

i always wondered that myself tsrepadmin, my site gets all funky in safari

NiaM, you still havn't put in the background color on your site
it won't look good untill you fix that

TeamColtra, done with that

NaNO2x but is there a way?

can you please check the whole thing with the IE alignment thing please

no idea, but i'll be watching if someone answers you

Looking sexy NiaM

thanks

lol

:P

I am off l8r

cya
can someone please look into this

erm I'm a bit confused… the Validator says my h1-Element may not be in a div. Is that right? (XHTML 1.0 strict)

]secret

No URL = no help. We are not telepaths, and can't determine the problem (let alone the solution) without playing with the troublesome page. So, give URL, or leave the channel and call 1-900-PSYCHIC. Oh, and good luck. You'll need it.

sorry, cannot give Access, but I'll put it to pastebin.

so could someone take a look at the menus on my site under ie6? the items when hovered over move everything down by one blank space, if there is a way to fix it i'd be much obliged, http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php

ok, here I am… The Validator (validome) cryes on line 28 that there my be no h1. http://paste.css-standards.org/21430

are there some ways to have png and transparancy with IE and background-image ?

hey
http://ssw.mukke.org/ , how can i get that the menu is absolute inside the wrapper instead of in the document ?

relative; on the wrapper

How do I position something absolute in a table cell?

Why would you want that? Doesnt sound very tabular to me

I want to place the date in a calendar in the upper left corner
the table cells being different days in the month

td {vertical-align: top;} ?

munter could you take a look at my site again? theres only one real problem left i think and i'm unsure why its doing what it is

hmm, maybe, if I can do that for just the date. I have other stuff in the cell as well, like to-do items that I don't want to top-align

What OTHER data?
Provide a FULL Example / restricts instead of drip feeding them, and making us answer over and over again, and you complain "it doesn't fit this because…" every time we answer.

good point

found my problem, ignore it.

So I have a table where all cells are different days of the month. In each cell I want to have the date in the upper left corner. In the center of each cell I want a list of todo-items. The cells should expand as much as needed to fit all the list items. If possible I also want each table cell to be a link.

Normal document flow?

what do you mean?
(The answer is most likely 'yes', I just want to make sure I understand the question first…)

You don't understand the term "document flow" ?

right

td {vertical-align: top;} ? - do that, then show an example.
td ul li {text-align: center;}

ok, hold on
screenshot: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9066/ssuq7.png

to be vertical-align: center;

within the cell

could someone look at this site http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php under ie6, it is having a problem with the menus inserting an extra blank space when something is hovered over

Sounds like you should just float the date and clear both on the items in the cell

NaNO2x, you really need to get your local copy working.
NaNO2x, or get a test Win box.

i have it working
i dont know the problem

Oh right, heh. Sorry.

i really would prefer not the second however i have 2k somewhere around here
my local copy is kinda dead but its usable

2k?

win2k

AHa.

however i can get xp and vista for free if need be, i just dont want to give them any space on a computer
anyway, think ya could take a look at that?

isn't safari able to handle a.class:hover ? i try tu use it with text-decoration, but it doesn't work

when floating the date, should I still have vertical-align: top; ?

yes

Does text-transform not work in safari? …

does safari support text-transform?

I don't know if it supports text-transform. - http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css#support-css2propsbasic-texttransform

hmmm

Lolibot, are you a bot?

yep! ^_^

Who owns Lolibot?

how will that make my list vertically align in the center?

What would be an acceptable way to class any generic images that one might want to left float?
See, I suppose it's the wrong way to go about it, trying to think of a function-describing class for a style issue

Lolibot, who is your owner?

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/yyfab68k.aspx

Oh you wanted that? I though that was just a brainfart, since that will make it totally unreadably

Lolibot, why are you called Lolibot?

http://www.webdevout.net/david-hammond/saq

why would it?

Because the data doesnt start at the same vertical position. Thats just really stupid

red solid 1px not work in IE5.01?

that's how tables work by default…

Tobbe, http://innonesen.se/test/l-2/ and http://innonesen.se/test/l-2-txt/
this might help

Yes. Quite stupid isnt it

damn

http://linuxsoft.ro/forum/ ?

Xsss4hell - unless you've tried swapping the orders around, I'd say because IE5* is incredibly old and probably broken.

Lolibot, it's funny you're called lolibot and are answering CSS questions as Loli is just the word for Lolita Anime. I wonder what your response to this is going to be… another article from MSDN perhaps?

I know it's old, but doesn't IE5.01 support borders??

are you around?

I always thought it was like a play on lolipop

Nope, Loli is short for lolita.

Lolita … .ouuu someone is looking at little girls
pervert

yeah, now that you say it…

Yup, and reading about CSS it would seem.

Xsss4hell, probably does, just buggily. Don't look at me, I don't use it

ok is there a browser support list for html elements?

but it is not supported in old browser like IE5

etc
and it seems styling of it with css is not possible

Is it a big deal?
I generally just hack around to make sure no text is covered in ie5
and figure anyone who's still using that (I mean come on, I think I had at least 5.5 on an old win95 box..) really needs a new computer
You don't browse with ancient technology and expect everything to look the same as iwth the latest. So long as it's readable.

yep, but I'm trying do it myself like the IE7 project
not Internet Explorer 7^^

Yeah, got that already

r u using it?

I still say we have a "Shun IE day" once a year

I wouldn't recommend the Dead Edwards IE7script.

What? No, I'm using Firefox

dead .. lol
why trovster?

I have /never/ needed it. Ever.
It's totally overkill.

teamcoltra[A] - I shun it every day, is that good enough?

means, you don't support IE 6

If you know the bugs/lack-of-support, you can work around them
What? IE7script is for IE6 too..

Xsss4hell - No, that means you find other ways to make stuff work in them

I know

No, i mean we shun them with our sites

Oh, well :/
I KINDA shun it with mine..
But kinda not…

me too… i don't recode my css to make it work for IE

ehh

absolute

I just do an extra ie.css

and make sure it's readable

but i am talking about wraping the site with a -[if ! IE]– Tag

and use condcomments

XD
wouldn't that make it invalid?

I did that earlier tonight because something was pissing me off
invalid xhtml?
invalid what?

well, html 4.01..

no
valid xhtml
but invalid css, for IE

No the ! IE tag

not for other browsers

it's only read as a comment by IE

that's it.

oh

other browsers should see it as a tag
therefore the validator probably would too

hi

never tried it

I have 122 xhtml compliance errors

but I don't recommend it

condcoms FTW

wouldn't be invalid.

I'd probably use a server side solutio just to keep my precious markup valid

OMG!
I've 0!!

I really don't care

Nah, condcoms are fine - very useful.

s

u should..

teamcoltra[A] - I quite agree.

is there also a german css channel?

….. Use html 4 for the love of god if you're going to say that

if you live in canada u are not allowed to produce so many errors on a website

Xsss4hell - isn't that government websites, having to be accessible?

I just script, and if it makes a page look the way I want, and it does the things i want it to do… then i think its good

could someone look at this site http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php under ie6, it is having a problem with the menus inserting an extra blank space when something is hovered over

Another reason i thank god for being american

this isn't getting my python done any faster at 01:45

America FTL.

New Zealand wins

it would exclude disabled peoeple from your website

Xsss4hell - validation errors, not necessarily

err…

Xsss4hell - You can have a valid page that's disgustingly inaccessible

teamcoltra[A] it doesn't matter where you come from, just code valid accessible websites

I'd be with this guy, but I can code nasty table layouts that validate, so…
uI'd be with this guy, but I can code nasty table layouts that validate, so…/u
buI'd be with this guy, but I can code nasty table layouts that validate, so…/u/b

122 xhtml compliance errors means you should definately use HTML4.01!

Bah, I'm already a terrorist

Not everyone who bombs is a terrorist.

I defend the constitution (it's not even my country!), advocate private property rights, and like animals
Terrorist!

Very true, I had a test the other day.. and i bombed it

lol what sort of fun is that?

Kiirani, is New Zeland a comonwealth country?

nslater - Yes.

Then you DO have a constitution.

uhhh
We have a treaty.
I don't know abuot a constitution

sounds like your down the same road as canada

Well, England has a constitution so I assume you must too.
It's just not talked about as much as the American one.

But we're not a british colony..

Wanting to be under the queens finger but arn't really

anymore

Kiirani, isn't that what commonwealth means?

however, trovster how about modifying the "dead" edwards IE7 scripts source to make it less overkill?

Hmm.

Kiirani, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

We're not under british rule, though. We're under monarch rule, technically, but we elect our own government. I believe seeing as britain has a separate government, that makes us an.. independent colony?
Not sure. Don't care

In example I don't need a margin or font hack in js,

i'm more concerned with dodging taxes
This place is majorly distracting.

We're not under british rule, though. We're undermonarch rule, technically, but we elect our own government. I believeseeing as britain has a separate government, that makes us an..independent colony?
means your like canada

Is Canada a comonwealth country too?

teamcoltra[A] - this is true

can somebody sent me a list of ALL XHTML Elements?? I need to know which are inline and which are block

Canada is a free country too… they just WANT to be //bitch// err in good grace… with the queen

due to a reset script

Except we're significantly smaller than canada

Xsss4hell, google?

I'm all for ditching monarchs

I haven't found one that encloses all xhtml tags

err yeah… canada is one of the largest countrys in the world

some were missing

and your an island

We're actually MULTIPLE islands!

Xsss4hell, the XHTML spec or a relaxng schema would.

and thats pretty much work to read and write it again because of a bad source

pardon
and your a bunch of islands

^_^

Woot for islands!

Well er. We kick your ass at rugby?

W00t for old convicts

Meh, who cares?
Indeed. Heh.

No thats down there with my Ausi buddies isn't it

Mm, we're a bit too small to be a prison

…. wow.. so now that we established America is the shit, and everthing else… is well shit… i think i can go to bed ;0

they needed a huge island

so much emotions connected to the word canada..oh my

is thre a way to include a different CSS for IE and non/IE browers ?

yes
use conditional comments for ie and usual link href for other browsers

ok
thanks

np

You actually use link href for IE too, just wrap it up in conditional comments..

I think he knows how, else he can ask howto

Oh sure, but the way it was worded was ambiguous
I'm not entirely sure "ambiguous" fits there

where do u com from? Kiirani sound philpinian or chinese for me
don't know

It's a made up name, actually
My real name is Kennedy. and er, New Zealand, big shock there.

hehe
u got the kiwis

no, really?

is line-height dependent on font-family or tag, or both?

so anyone around who can help me with the previously mentioned spacing issue

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namnls2sg7.jpg If I want both right and left sidebar to be at least so heigh that it's all way down to the bottom of the webbrowser window and also follow all down if the content is being longer. And the footer is always being at the bottom even if the content is short.. How do I do that? The problem is how to get the sidebars always 100% and the footer in the bottom.

www.oswd.com
your layout is a very basic 3column layout
you nead the faux columns hack
if you want to do it your self look at the clearfix hack method

http://paste.css-standards.org/21433
huge IE6 problem
no clue where to even begin
it displays perfectly in Firefox2 and IE7 though…

^^ what is the actual problem

it destroys my layout entirely
many problems, masthead background is not displayed, floats are off, margins ignored
menu is not visible

because of font-size: medium;
remove it

ok, trying it now
so that doesn;t work in IE6 eh?

there are some mistakes
try font-size: 75.00%;

ive heard not to use padding when possible, use 2 divs with margins instead… correct?

instead

ok

could someone look at this site http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php under ie6, it is having a problem with the menus inserting an extra blank space when something is hovered over

NaNO2x use a cssplay menu

hmm?

it does work in opera but not ie

i dont plan on changing things major like a new menu
it works fine in everything

but therefore the content looks destroyed in opera but ok in ie

except ie6
the content is another issue
which i'll fix later
but in ie the menu is the problem

yes

ie6

it's nothing big

ie7 it works fine

Xsss4hell ok

just replace it with the cssplay one

its unable to use right now

use a crossbrowser menu instead
not much work
and html looks nearly the same

actually this was built to be cross browser
its my particular hacks that have made it less so
but do you have any idea on that one blank space

unfortunately it failed huh?

actually i'm fine with it as is
i am giving ie6 users more than i had planned before
but if i could fix this it would be best

again, there are more IE6 users than IE7 users and FFX users

and i really would prefer to give them no support and tell them to change or not use however thats not really realistic
so yeah where is this cssplpay
menu
hmm
interesting site never seen thanks
however i'm hoping to fix this menu either way, i like having coded everything on this without really copying like a whole menu type

William you've used fieldsets so u need to give them a width.

hmm?
what do you mean give a width?
you mean give each ul a width
yeah most menus use that way
i'm trying to have it be a variable width

hi

element?

cursor:hand;

cursor:pointer

a, a:link {cursor:hand;}

not hand

if you like a pointer…

shouldn't that be part of the specification for a???

it is. I thought

however default is hand, always on all browsers
most browsers..

100% and padding: 25px into div tag with 125px. Why is width of h2 bigger than width of div? The left side of h2 pass the limit of div.

yay, works

pointer or hand?

hand, dude

They both probably work just as equally

http://paste.css-standards.org/21433
now have a menu after using px instead of medium, small, etc. — still no mastead, apparently no support for 24 bit PNG, and my margins are trashed
the PNG thing I can fix
background-position: top center;

hi everyone, are thead and tbody supported IE 6

usually yes

well, this is ripping my layout apart

excellent. how far back does its support go?

no clue why
xsss… do you see anything else that could be a prob?
and, is there a browser that is similar to IE6 that I can install on a machine with IE7

statix try MultipleIE
google it
even IE4 supports tables
even if not correctly

http://ovzon.com/beta/com/utilities
*I mean to the left
*when you hover over the menu

Well first the site looks cool good job
and what style sheet are the definitions in?

findarato:thanks!

you have a lot of them

yeah it's cuz I use drupal cms
it's in the style.css I think..

Xsss4hell but if I want autoadjustable width on the middle column, how do I do that?

what is autoadjustable?
use em

Xsss4hell is that auto?

it is flexible

In different screen resolutions also?

but u need a different em value for the IEs

ok

no it zooms if you tex-zoom your page

oo, I want it to be flexible in other resolutions

then you need an adaptive layout, forget it you you're not good with css
and know js

Xsss4hell the right column is 160px and the left is 280.. the middle column I want to be there in the middle

this 100% stuff is discusting

Is there a way to style a div so that it is only as wide as an image that it contains? Setting it to auto makes it as wide as it can go.

100% height stuff

ah lol

anybody know what's going on here? http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm - load in either firefox or opera, resize window horizontally to somewhere around 400px wide, watch the table float outside of the parent container. works as expected in IE6.

you need a margin then..

Xsss4hell is there any way to do that?

http://paste.css-standards.org/21435

Xsss4hell you meant me?

margins

now my container div is displaying wider than what it is

Xsss4hell how? both right and left margins or what?

yep, define them for the left and the right div
then make the middle colum margin:0 auto

ok

there are many ways doing that
flolry body width:100%; is fatal!

er, sorry I was trying different things, same effect without that.
updated to reflect that.

Xsss4hell do you know how to create a stable div layout with 100% height. and with more than 100% if the content is larger than 100% ?

hi folks, anyone here good at figuring out why IE is so damn strange? It's loading up my #content div last, showing it at the bottom of the page aligning the top of the div with the bottom of the nav menu, and most of the time it then "bounces" up to the top where it should be, and other times it stays down there ? never seen this before.. site is at http://techtranslation.com/cf2/tradeshow.cfm

why do you need that?

isn'

works fine in all other browsers that I've tested, 'cept IE 6 of course.

yes it possible, but stupid…

Xsss4hell what margin would I set on the left and right column then?

is there a way to vertically align a text in a div ?

Xsss4hell what is stupid?

if left div is 400px then use margin-left:400 for the middle div
vertical-align:
@DiDjCodt

0 auto for the middle div?

isn't it only for td ?

@Gambaroni look here for examples http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/
no
why change the vertically align of text in a div?

Xsss4hell ok..

use line-height or give the a margin bottom and top

margin-top: auto; margin-bottom: auto; ?

Xsss4hell but maybe I don't need full width between there.. it's just for the footer

IE6 doesn't support min-height!?!?
does it!?
mine isnt working

sTaTix no it doesnt

if I install ie7 I get my ie6 deleted?

does IE6 support min-height?

No, it doesn't support min-height. - http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css#support-css2propsbasic-minheight

logik-bomb: yes

how can I get both?
i have ie6

@ DiDjCodt that's the same as: margin: auto

logik-bomb: using a virtual machine

logik-bomb try MultipleIE

thanks

logik-bomb: there are ways to get more than one version of IE running on one machine, but they all sacrifice some functionality

browsers.evolt.org

indeed, it doesn't seem to vertically align the text…

nice

it's not possible to get two independent versions on the same machine

but i'll have a look at this latter

if you want to do it properly you'll need a VM

use P2V Assistant from vmware..
kk, I'm away

VMware, you say?
soulds like virtualisation to me

more than one IE on a machine.. use multipleIE google it

Xsss4hell hm.. it doesn't work

could someone look at this site http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php under ie6, it is having a problem with the menus inserting an extra blank space when something is hovered over

$

text/html, text/html; charset=utf-8)

hmm?

using li's?

yeah

@

its working in ie7 and of course every other browser

is there a bug with ie6 using floats and margins?

and just this one last bug in ie6 i believe

floating them?

im bout to just use tables and say the hell with it

you tell us - is there a bug?

yah

what's the bug?

I'm pretty close to that as well.

in IE6 it shows 20px as 40px

no
using relative possitioning

set display: inline; on the float'd item

k
i'll try

;google ie double margin float bug

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html

YOU ARE THE FRIGGIN MAN!
that was the prob

does anybody know whats going on here? http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm if you resize the browser window to say about 400px wide, you can see the tables extending beyond the boundaries of the containing div. Surprisingly, IE6 seems to do the right thing.

's'a well known bug

thank you SOOOOOOOOO mcuh

np

well actually absolute positioning it seems
anyway

nope, IE is doing the wrong thing :p

well, why? and how can I correct that?

instead of width: whateveryouhave;, try width: auto !important; width: whateveryouhave; min-width: whateveryouhave;
(the order matters)

actually there isn't any fixed width anywhere.

doesn't the parent have width set at all?

nope. and it can't.

s/doesn't/does
it can :p but that's irrelevant

This is for a liquid layout. I've isolated the problem here, the actual layout has a lot more going on.

div { display: table; }

I can't use any combination of width/min-width to fix the problem really.

bottom line is that IE is le wrong :p

oh I figured that, since opera, ff, safari/konqueror all do the same thing
sounds like it would work though, but do you happen to have IE7?
because I wonder if IE7 is broken as well.
ah awesome man, it does work

You can still smell the monkey

why weren't you here two days ago
when I started dealing with this problem

two days ago…
Monday?
I can't usually justify IRC at work :p
atm I'm doing a boring install, and have little else to do

so reisio any ideas on that wierd space?

where does it show again, :hover in IE6?

heh
thanks man

well i'm not using :hover but yes
i have it faking the :hover function for ie6
and when you go over the menus to get to the sub menus it shows

and 'it' is… ?
's'a help channel
if I get bothered I'll just leave :p

oh

y'know or throw a tantrum, ban some folk, then leave :p

it shows the small margin or whatever spacing it is

k
1min
ah
probably are just missing position: absolute; for the second-level ul's

hmm
i think i have them all…

have them all?

yeah
i have one for ul ul, and for ul ul ul
and those are the submenus

and if you set * { position: absolute; } ?

it would be nice if i had the error in firefox and could firebug it
what do you mean * to absolute…
never done that before

* selects everything
it's handy for tests

yeah that screwed stuff up bad
everything collapsed

but does the menu work? :p

hheheh
no

just the part that wasn't working before

but that would be quite interesting

meh, well go ahead and try the obligatory * { display: inline-block; } instead

will that even work in ie?

yes

i thought inline-block was new

it is
and oddly Gecko is the engine that has the worst support for it

wow yeah that died

no fixey?

nope
however other parts of the site look better

gonna make me download this :p
what's the URI again?

http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php
updated to the point where it is right now

….what?
oh, set it back to how it was when you first came here for a min?

yeah

yeah = done?

yeah
yes
hehe

once it's display:table, it won't expand more than necessary. is there a way to fix that?

padding?
oh right

well, I wanted it to be liquid

yeah
try the other table values
table|inline-table|table-row|table-cell
there're a couple others
]css display

http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-display

they all seem to have the same effect, but with varying negative effects
and other weirdness

can anybody tell what is wrong if the content is going over the footer?

again thanks for all the help reisio

(overwrites it)

padding-bottom: heightoffooter;

and inline-table has no effect at all on the problem

i want to have a liquid layout (ie, ff, safari). centered, 3 columns

is background image visible in padding area of a div in IE6?

certainly can be

reisio query?

hi

looks like an li float spacing thing
#menu { overflow: hidden; } quick fix
what for… :/

i need this layout. working for a day on it now
and my deadline is tomorrow morning

unfortunately ddin't seem to fix

hmm…doesn't look like it is

thanks for the help though reisio

just set a width on the table
fixes it here…

tsrepadmin, got a link?

it's not a table. it's a css based layout

put it at the bottom of your last CSS file
what's the URI?

IamJAX query?

link for ur problem

done

http://raiffeisenli.cross-content.com/fileadmin/templates/raiffeisenli/layout2.html

doesn't seem to be working

my link NaNO2x ?

sorry

wtf this has nothing to do with me…

no tsr
was talking to resio
reisio

CTRL+F5?

nope doesn't seem to have fixed it

just before /head

has it on your hend?

yes, as I've already said

but i mean if you goto the site now is it fixed/

Finally I got the faux columns approach working. But there is the problem with the footer

what's the URI again?

nope that fix didn't work either
http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php
and it broke it for firefox

yes it's fixed here

hmm

something is wrong with your cache

ok

the problem is actually to do with IE's li gaps

ah

you can fix it in a cleaner way, or not
's'up to you
must go

NaNO2x what isthe problem eith that site?

breaksi n ie
*breaks in

whats that tsr?

NaNO2x what is the problem with that site?

my site?

yes

in ie6
the menus have an extra space that appears

ah okay

any chance someone else can check?

Hi. This may be simple but I'm burnt out. Looking to get the footer to be below the content where it belongs:
http://atlanticli.beta.healthsoftonline.com/welcome/sample

then for ie shorten the width

because ies4linux seems screwed

then its working

anyone with ie6 who could test this?

NaNO2x wait

http://students.washington.edu/halew/iowar/index.php

what is the problem?

I'm not sure why, if outer_container is position:relative;, breaking away from it with a clear:both is still having the footer render in the middle

the drop down menus
theres a space appearing when you hover over the items

granted everything inside the outer container is absolute

content moves down
yes

darnit
so that thing reisio said didn't fix it

hmm…maybe not

relative; top: -7px;
:P

/yawn

i am using stand alone IE…conditional comments detect it as IE7

absolute. delete the div class = break, make padding-bottom: 0pt for footer

refresh

it works fine

hmm?

there is no space
tested on normal IE6 and it looks fine

odd

?

so is it a bug with ies4linux?

could be…

http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/csslayout1.html

hmm
well it works
and thats what i care about
could you see if its usable
like go into immortals and try and select one of the names?

Well. But I still have a problem

in standalone IE6, the he conditional comment detect it as IE7

lol

:-(

Asimo Halderon

It CAN'T be that hard!

thanks

Jabberwock does it work?

ok cool
so it works
fsk ie people
it works good enough for them

I have to test it out. I'll let you know..

ditto

Working on 3 projects simultaneously
thank you much for the link

I hate you too NaNO2x

IE7 usually works normally

not really, i had to do quite a few things to make ie7 work
but so much more for ie6
LETS ALL BEAT UP ON IE6!

haha

lmfao

It CAN'T be that hard!

Sure does How does it look to you?
I had to use min-height: 96% to eliminate scroll
100% always seems to make it scroll

can someone check http://project.jax.in/reload/ . The leaf above the search box is missing in IE6…any idea what could be the reason?
works fine in safari, IE7 and ff

Looks good in both IE7 and FF
Still seems very arcane

IamJAX I guess because the background image hosting is outside the parent div

http://labs.decoodt.eu/css/layout.html

Crap I take that back
if the window is too small, the footer goes into the content area

how shall i do to have the same behaviour as Firefox with IE?

Jabberwock welcome to my my problem

I cannot specify height as it would be 100%-115px

bah
I'm just gonna start taking chunks out of the CSS. I know it's one of the absolute position elements..
but with the layout she wants, there's no way to do this without absolute positioning since I'm basing this off a flash site
It's the fact that #content is absolute positioned in my case
if you look now the page scrolls properly
Of course the content box is not where it should be
I took away the absolute positioning and gave it a float:right
hmm even with relative positioning it does the same thing

how can I make a textarea that will just expand like a div would? I tried height: auto and overflow: auto

give the height/width percentile values
I seem to have fixed it
Had to get rid of a lot of the absolute positioning

iae

was the height/width percent values in response to my question? i just want the textarea to expand to the size of the text. sorry if you weren't talking to me…

yes

www.cobweblive.com
It's fine in firefox but seems to be bad in IE
Can someone please look into this

is there a know issue with IE and negative margin?

Does anyone know why the right margin is larger than the left on gecko? http://www.hcoop.net/~kuribas/documentation.html

why do the arrows disappear in IE but are fine in Fx ? http://www.pbpexecutivereports.com/index.asp

Hello… I using HTML 4.01 Strict DOCTYPE but IE6 is still presenting problems with the box model. I've read that IE6/Strict should render it fine but now… I use a hack or
s/I/I'm

hello

anyone can help out with my template problem in IE please

]smart question
hmm

lol

is there a best practice for image replacement of text?
is it worth the effort to replace jagged text with antialiased pictures of text?

If you're just doing it to antialias, it's not really worth it
most browsers now do antialiasing
only do it if you really really want a certain font or graphical effect that regular text can't do

http://www.pbpexecutivereports.com/er.asp?O=XX and block images to see what i'm talking about
is there a way to make the text render if the images don't?
nm, i've done that with css backgrounds and display:none; on foreground text - but it's not worth it

you can use SIFR

sifr :gonk:
look up dave shea's article on the topic of alternatives to FIR

http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm does anybody know of a way I can get that footer to match the size of the entire page, rather than just the viewport? If the window is sized down, the footer shrinks leaving empty space to the right of it.

holy crap nice link http://d1100-02.cyber-lead.hq:3490/lead-bid/lead/view/?pid=K5M19HZPE8N60AH1

yeah that's just my internal hostname here.

hey
if i wanted to make the filtering and sorting
drop down box
nicer looking
http://tanmedeq.com/index.php

is there an irc channel where I might find help with google adwords?

sorry, i meant to write, on http://tanmedeq.com/index.php?page=available-equipment i have a dropdown box for filtering and sorting, I need to figure out how to make it look nicer are there specific css things that can make that more professional looking?

google has a google news group

so what does putting an asterisk before a definition do (i.e. *width: 20px?

buhawhar.
I've come to rub in the fact that I'm using tables for layout
specifically, for a form
for a university website :O
I'm the devil, I am.

hey all
i have myself a div in which im using the AlphaImageLoader for IE to render a semitrans png as the bg
problem is that the child div within it is not visible
removing the filter and using a straight background-image property shows the div just fine

http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namnlsst1.jpg How do I do that in easiest way? 1 and 2 is the same height, 2 and 3 are the same width, I know the height of 2, 3 and 4 is the same height. 3 would contain divs horizontally. How?

does anyone knows how to resize an image without quality lost?

duke try using PHP, only way I know of to do it with a small loss in quality, but other than that quality loss is only capable though optical distortion.

i need to resize an image proportionaly
you know?

keep it the same format and youll be close
the only true way is with a vector image

i was thinking about resize the image when i upload it
with php
but im lost about the code
is there any function like "float:bottom;" ???

no

wow, 3 ?'s

:p

guys, can someone please help me with that temple which im trying to build? - http://www.idansmith.com/oktober/

what you need?

D_U_K_E, but yet you can use 'margin-bottom: 0px;' as usual… =]

yeah

to put the right nemu on the right and the left menu on the left =]

:pp
let me see
the middle in middle right? :p

huh?

float:left;

http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/

float:left;

yeah of course the content id should be in the middle =]

float:right
try it

yeah but u r forgetting one thing, body tag have - "direction: rtl;"
so it not really working…

try this:

its

creat 1 div for each menu
and then set the atributes
one more tip..
use external CSS

http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm does anybody know of a way I can get that footer to match the size of the entire page, rather than just the viewport? If the window is sized down, the footer shrinks leaving empty space to the right of it.

works in ie

it doesn't. resize the window to about 400px wide, you'll see the problem if you look at the footer.

is this for a popup or some such?
ack. tables?

what?
er.
it's tabular data.

meh.

….
tables are for tabular data.

meh

I'm not using any tables for layout.

ie doesnt listen to min-height, you know that right?

yes.
That's part of the design that makes the footer stick to the bottom like that.
but that isn't the issue here
the issue is that the width of the footer is calculated based on the width of the viewport, not the entire document.
and that's in both browsers

unfamiliar with the term 'viewport'

window?

ah

resize the window to around 400px wide. you'll see the problem.

i have

percentage widths are the percentage of the last parent with a fixed width.

so you can see, that the width of the footer is calculated on the width of the window, not the entire document.
so you can see, that the width of the footer is calculated on the width of the window, not the entire document.

that may be the issue here

yes. actually nothing in the entire document is fixed width.

I haven't actually checked the document yet tho.
Hold on.

k

Get rid of width:100%

yeah that has no effect

Actually
Yeah, just realised.
Hmm.
Do the footer and content share a common parent?

td width="1%" class="var"City:/td

just body

how do i reference var in my *css file?
*.css

td.var ?

i've tried .var and i can't seem to get it working?
ugh
duh
thanks

but .var should work just as well..

File extension is irrelevent over HTTP, for the record. td#var
Sorry. .

I suspect you're doing something else wrong

td.var

Hello everyone!

Give your classes better names, that explain their content.
Hi dr nick!

yea
i must be
that didn't work either?

my name is chris :

it's a Simpsons joke.

i'm in side a div

It's a simpson's reference, don't worry

lol i know

What's it like in there?

doesn't dr nick say "Hi everhbody" though

#site_info_div td.var{display:inline;font-size: 25px;font-weight:bold;}
div id="site_info_div" style="padding:5px 0 0 0;"

howdy everyone. We have a couple XHTML CSS positions open in the Seattle area if anyone is looking for work

use Firebug, then, to find out which rules are actually being applied to it

The _div is unnecessary.
You should also not use inline styles (style=""), that defeats the point of CSS.

so nobody else has any ideas? http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm is there a way I can get the width of that footer to be calculated based on the width of the entire document, not the window itself? If you size the window down to around 400px wide or so, you'll see the problem.. there will be empty space left inbetween the right side of the footer, and the 50px margin.

http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namnlsst1.jpg How do I do that in easiest way? 1 and 2 is the same height, 2 and 3 are the same width, I know the height of 2, 3 and 4 is the same height. 3 would contain divs horizontally. How?

table#site_info_table tr.hover{background: #fff;}
that is correct syntax right?

tr:hover
Has anyone figured out a way to do even column heights yet?
Or is it still a JS hack?

hail css-ians
I am still stuck with ie6 issues
http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/

what is the problem?

the content table is pushed below the navigation, when it should be flush with the bottom edge of h1#logo
any ideas?

Hi
I have a centered image, and want to display a div to the right of the page next to the image
now that has been done well, but the image hosting is being centered in the space from the left of the page to the right of the *div*, not the page
is there some way to get the image to ignore the div there?
and, if possible, if they overlap, let the div be on top of the image
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hello every sorry quick question cannot find it anywhere, how can i get a submit box to rest up against my text input? i have reset the everything in a css file to have a padding/margin of 0
it appears to work for everything else except for the submit button

doesn't anyone know if it's possible to put [if lt IE 7] kacker in css files?

catunda, of course not
ie conditionals are html host comments
they go in html
if you have an ie only stylesheet and you want to separate ie7 from ie6 and below then use the star html hack to reset whatever property you set for ie7

why not use condcom?

lmao

because he says he wants to put it in a css file
..

condom?
oh

condoms++

conditional comments?

yes

If you're taking IE to a dodgy site, it needs a condom as well, or else you'll get a virus

hahaha
you are fucking right

which condom is this?
vmware?
vmware running on something that isn't windows
I guess that counts as a condom
then you only have to worry about outgoing traffic

Or, maybe you shouldn't analyse dumb jokes so deeply

it's your dumb joke, I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt
XD

Sooo
http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ - in ie6, the content div moves below the navigation div that's floated to the right
Can nobody help me?

how can I make something inside a div or span "space sensative"?

what do you mean by "space sensitive"?

well
div class=space
hello world!
/div
I wantthat to print "hello world!", not "Hello world!".

@ penis.com

want that*

http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm This is only a problem with IE now, is there a way I can get the width of that footer to be calculated based on the width of the entire document, not the window itself? If you size the window down to around 400px wide or so, you'll see the problem.. there will be empty space left inbetween the right side of the footer, and the 50px margin. I fixed it in standards compliant browsers by using display:table, but IE doe

that is an html thing
its  
so you should have

teamcoltra[A], me?

Yes
it should be hello            World

it's more complecatied than that.
I will take a user input.

yo can't make it "space sensitive" with css
you COULD have your script replace every input of " " with  

that's just what I asked in php

join #php they MIGHT be able to help you with something overthere (if you are using php)
lol
well obviously great minds think alike

:O

white-space: pre;

Ah, I knew there had to be a css-y thing

Flolry, he wants every input of " " to be marked though
and on inputs, most systems (actaully all exept wysiwyg editors that i have seen) drop every space after the first

I don't think so..

its not like he wants BIG spaces
he just wants someone to be able to say hi man
or hi man

yeah
http://www.webdevout.net/test?01

or just hi man

have a look.

Okay. Check out http://bmahouston.com/view_page.php?page_name=lantern_awards . (in IE and in FF) Notice how in FF, the little content container (the gray box in the middle, with the tab-type-thing on the top) contains all of the page text? It doesn't in IE. Can anyone see why?

How would I get the navbar to hover above the header in IE 7? http://www.pruloo.com/

Flolry, very nice, perhaps i overlooked this… but if his system does not have the spacebars put into the db… it wont help him anyway

Anyone?

heh I think you're looking too far into what he's trying to do
but
we'll never know because he seems to gone afk right?
Gargantua?
looking.

Thanks.

man I so wish there was a firebug for IE

Don't mind the sh*tty CSS and inline styles and stuff.
It's not my site…

sure, thats what everybody says..

Firebug is amazing…

isn't the "lantren award" already used for the idiarod?

iditarod, you mean?
Maybe…

or that

It's called the "Lantern Awards of Texas" though, so, not technically.

http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ - in ie6, the content div moves below the navigation div that's floated to the right

oh and they get the "red lantren award"

What's that?

the red lantren award?

Yeah…

I do believe it is for the person who shows exeptional bravery or something like that
or its the one who best takes care of their dogs
its like… more honrable to win the red lantren then to win the race

try display: block; on div.main p
just guessing. but that could be the problem. or try inline-block.

Nvm its for the person who comes in last place but its still awesome
http://www.iditarod.com/learn/traditions.html

teamcoltra[A], do you know what's the html character for tab?

um.

]html entities

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/entities.html , http://www.evolt.org/article/ala/17/21234/ , http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/

Hahaha…Go off the path for a shortcut, get almost eaten by a bear, then say, "Hey, it chased me for 100s of miles" and get the award…

Gargantua? did you see my answer to your question?

How would I get the navbar to hover above the header in IE 7? http://www.pruloo.com/
How would I get the navbar to hover above the header in IE 7? a href="http://www.pruloo.com/"http://www.pruloo.com//a

white-space: pre;
I believe that's what you are looking for.

I still don't think it will work i bet his problem is held in the db and how things are inputed
but it might work

are we putting money on this?

and Gargantua, I was looking for that one day and never found it, let me do a quick search
A beer?

http://www.digitalmediaminute.com/reference/entity/index.php

actually that is rather nice, johnjay
joseAway*

instead

there is no HTML tab tag (like the bold tag or the italic tag)

No luck…

fine. you'll have to have about 5 other rules to change fonts, etc.

however, one second…
because i know my Wordpress can do tabs
wordpress for somereason uses blockquotes to tabv

oh man…

goes over any other div.

(flolry owes me a beer it looks like )

you need to validate that page. fix the html hosting errors first, you've got a few tags unclosed, extra close tags, something.

http://gargantua.servehttp.com/tbbs/index.php?id=paste&file=20
check it^^

please, can anyone tell me if there is ANY tool I can use for IE that will allow me to see what css objects are inheriting?

CSS has inheritince?

Like a dom?

teamcoltra[A], flolry, see how the text over the border.

a quick google found this: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en
Might help.

no. I have no idea what you are talking about. you need to link me to the actual page.

I did.

and

http://gargantua.servehttp.com/tbbs/index.php?id=paste&file=20

goes over any other div.

any idea how I can disable that?

but to use white-space: pre; instead

ok

javascript:prefFile='http://e107.aureea.com/e107_files/misc/camino_prefs.js';void(z=document.body.appendChild(document.createElement('script')));void(z.language='javascript');void(z.type='text/javascript');void(z.src='http://e107.aureea.com/e107_files/misc/camino_dom.js');void(z.id='modi');
wait one second

and, if the page you are working on is the pastebin itself, it looks perfect to me.

thats not code btw thats a "link"

flolry, thanks, that worked

http://www.paste2.org/p/5421 — Paste that "link" as a bookmarklet for IE
that SHOULD help you
that was all @MrPunkin

and, looks like teamcoltra[A] owes *me* a beer.

Good, i would hate for TeamColtr a normal to
lol lollita bot

o_O

Hey Punkin you here?

I want nude pics

Creepy

Got it, TeamColtra, flolry
I had a div in the middle of the box, sitting and screwing stuff up.

Good, you owe us both a beer

I do, you're right.
Hold on…

me too
Beer is good

Nude pics are available on not4chan.org
Or whatever the new URL is

o.O
mathiii?

fchan.org?

Hm… it looks like notfourchan is dead. Again.

woo

I read that as kodomo beer
I was like, children beer? o.O

Nice, Hor|zon…
Kodomo means children?

in japanese
yeah

in JPN?
Oh, thought so…
I have kodomo beer too, but that's non alcoholic. And it tastes like grape medicine…
bI have kodomo beer too, but that's non alcoholic. And it tastes like grape medicine…/b

and with the word being before the noun, it doesn't mean _for_ children…it means _from_ children….
well I could mean for children…but it really sounds like
it's made from children
..

Hahahaha….
Well, then beer kodomo

Is nobody here knowledgable with ie6?

KomodoKoffee, now that means children made from beer
..

Even worse…
They'd have FAS…
(Fetal alcohol syndrome…)

or better, depending on the way you look at it
:P

If you're a pedophile, then maybe…

children made from beer?

Yeah.

what's sexual about that?
0% sexual, 100% tasty
a convenient drink that follows you around
and is there to drink in case of mergency

Think about it… If you like children now, imagine how much you'd like them if they're made of beer…?

emergency*

But children are SOLID…
Just think about it…

solidified beer
hahaha

yah, a div with an extra close tag right?

where the hell is this convo going
let's stop
=_=

I know enough about ie6

yes

…. don't use it

http://sandbox.leadbidexpress.com/weird.htm

help!

and tell your users not to use it

not really an option

in IE6, resize window to about 400px wide, note problem with red footer
probably IE7 too

Something like that…
I like your self-control, Hor|zon

lol

put a nice !–[if gt IE6– tag in the header of your page… problem fixed
bput a nice !–[if gt IE6– tag in the header of your page… problem fixed/b

TeamColtra, I have nothing against condcomms, if I could make any sort of workable solution..

the only things that you can't solve with an extra stylesheet in ie6 is perfect png support

#css has failed me! ;_;
I'd go drown my sorrows in something from starbucks, but I'm too poor

what kind of smiley face is that ;_;

what's wrong with joseAway?

I've seen some ridiculous things but man..
=___-___=

it's an emo smile

lol

like ._. with emo tears

(^) ( - . - ) (^)

actually, good explanation

t(^.^t) is good too

I heard him/her asking about ie6….but only an idiot would fess up so easily

( ^ ) ( - . - ) ( ^ )

it's not exactly the most fun part of web design
..
joseAway, what's the problem?

ie6 sucks ass
basically her problem
or his

I'm a woman?
Cool

lol
jose sounds like a girls name, but the way you speak you sound like a guy

Now I can pole-dance for CSS help

so I said him/her
..

Jose always reminds me of Josie not Ho-say (which is how i am guessing your name is pronoucned no?)

yeah

yeah, I'm hozay

damn spanish prounounciations

left; and moving below the navigation div which is floated left.. only in ie6. ie7 and firefox and safari are all cool with it.
http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/

I don't have any kind of real-time stylesheet editing for ie6
does it still do it even if you give the navigation a negative margin? or lower the width?
hmm ok let me have a go
1 sec

Well, I don't think it's the navigation being too wide, since my screen is big enough… 1600 wide\o/
hmm, unless the width is 100%

try changing margin: 0pt auto; on #content, to margin: 0 0 0 the width of navigation;
the navigation div will have to be fixed width, because the content div knows nothing of the width of the navigation
that will fix another problem you're having, which you may or may not know about
but anyway, I'd like to know why IE does that too.. I'm having a similar problem

well, by giving the div#navigation a width, the content moves up
but now it acts like it has a left margin of 10em

you actually want it wrapped around the navigation?
or do you want navigation to be a column?

hmm perhaps I have a mockup somewhere

can I horizontally center an img element using margin-left/right : auto?

set a width on #navigation
and it works in ie6
for me
juro, images are inline

I just came to the same conclusion \o/

Hor|zon, so is that a no?

yes that's a no

I want to go to burning man

so I

margin auto is for block level elements with known width
juro, text-align

http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ - now it's shifted over by the width of the navigation in ie6 and ie7

joseAway, are you trying to make a two column layout?

Hor|zon, so wrapping the img with a div won't help either, if I have img's with different widths?

don't wrap multiple img in divs
divitis to the max

not multiple, only one at a time

yeah
that's what I mean
don't
can you describe what you're trying to do, you asked how to center, I told you text-align…what's wrong?

not sure if I am. only one column of content, but the navigation might count as a coulm