Chrismc, makedepend is a BSD thing, not a GNU utility.
But I think the -Y option is intended for that.

sorry, I did not know this
thanks jmd

I use gcc -MM to generate dependencies.

ok, but make is GNU, right? So what does make want to tell me if it says "no rule to create target … /usr/include/_ansi.h"?
I can not find the file in /usr/… Would make be happy if the file is there so would it still want to build it?

exactly.
Something asked Make to build that file, but it doesn't know how to do it.

can't I just create a target %.h: with nothing to do for make?
ok, makedepend -Y seems to work quite well. Thanks a lot for you help jmd!

np.
(If your application is non-trivial, I'd recommend using automake)

q. i would like to ask question about using gnu make, i aware it is not the proper channel, but any hint on where i could ask ?

here is right

ah ok, cool
q. i have a bunch of rules written manually, each very similar, just changing the filename of the files involved, is there a way to write a function which would autogenerate the rules for me ?
like a 'super rule' generatin rules
%.o : %.c - the usual inplicit rule stuff doesnt seems powerfull enought to do that
anybnody ?

i have a quick question regarding the gpl, does anyone have a few mins?

Go ahead.

thanks..
I understand that under GPL you can sell copies of a GPL software such as Wordpress. I f i was to modify Wordpress to allow users to signup and have their own blogs with custom themes etc can i charge my clients for the service rather than the software. It will be a fully hosted service no downloading or installing required. Does that make sense?

If you are not redistributing the changes you made to the software, but only using them for a service, my understanding is that that would not be a problem.

yes i will not be realeasing a custom wordpress rather modifying it on a dedicated server to allow people to signup to a monthly package and get their own blogs setup with custom themes and support etc.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic

will that be ok?

Does that answer your question?

is a service refered to as releasing?

if it's the service that you are selling then why can't you let others use the changes you've made?

You are not distributing the software, therefor you are distributing that software to anyone else. The service you provide is done under the license you were given for the original software, and your changes are made under that license.
I don't think offering a service, therefore, is a problem, because you are using the software as licensed.

lindi-: because its the themes that will be copyrighted not the custom wordpress.
thx, i think i'll just reread the whole faq's at the gnu homepage

wordpress is copyrighted?

wordpress is free
i will be making custom themes, for my clients.

wordpress is copyrighted, free software afaik

under gpl yes
gpl screws my head

GPLv3 has a few more complicated things added to it specific to DRM, Tivoization, etc. However, the basic concept is still the same. Copyleft expects that you will keep the software free; the original that you received, and the modifications *if* you choose to release it. That latter bit is part of where copyright covers works once they are published, even though any work authored is theoretically covered. If you don't redistribute it, then you don't

how long is gpl3 ? like 50page now ?

Heh. I think GPLv3 didn't quite double the length, but don't quote me on that.

ok

gplv3.fsf.org (if I remember the URL right)

hi gnudists!

Greetings

heh, my apologies to break your conversation
XD

No worries. I was waffling at this point.

what are the requirements for a project to be an official gnu project?

to be accepted as a gnu package

Let me find you the URL.

yeah

write to gnu@gnu.org for more information

bah
I don't even have a project started

http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html

are you planning to start one?
now that i think on it, are you a c-capable hacker?

what does "c-capable" mean?

capable to write good c code
sorry, i am famous for inventing stupid words in pseudo-english

humm
I'd like to believe so, jemarch
although I don't have much experience yet

ok

why do you ask?

recruiting. http://www.gnu.org/software/pdf

for a paid position?

maybe for the future

humm
too bad that I have no interest in pdf other than being able to view pdf documents on my machine

for now it is an unpaid and bored position requiring high c skills
heh
in which country you live?

Canada

just wait to have to fill a form in a pdf document to manage your taxes or to ask for public bounties for your enterprise
it is quite common here in Spain, and in many other countries

no more paper documents in Spain?

yeah, you can always use paper for that

can we have /software/pdf look like the rest of www.gnu.org please

but say goodbye to a possibly productive day

heh, well
my dad has been doing taxes on paper for 9 years

the appaerance of www.gnu.org/software/pdf need to be something like that. I hate it, but we are working hard to get public bounties to pay developers, and the appaerance is important for that kind of people.
we could put a standard page in software/pdf, but then we would need to set up pdf.gnu.org or something like that with the cool-visual pages

okay. but gnu.org looks nice.. have you seen it in the last year?

heh, yeah

i don't see why it can't look like that.

please lets discuss this via email. I can start a thread if you want

okay, just that i'm about to go away. who did this design?

i did it (believe it or not)

is there any particular reason why we didn't just use the default style? it seems like a site of its own, which is a bit strange. it also has none of our standard copyright stuff on it, or any way to navigate to the rest of GNU.org
i realise a lot of the site is like that, historically, but pages are being transistioned to the new layout.

we can put links to the rest of gnu.org and to comply with the standard copyright stuff

i'd really like it templated as the rest of the site. we can do the work for you, but there's no good reason known to me to have it looking like this.

i will explain you the reasons via email. It has been already discussed with RMS
we have even a more repulsive webpage and graphics carefully designed to be similar to adobe's ones

i see.

anyway, we could put that site in pdf.gnu.org

that would be good

leaving a standard-templated one in software/pdf

that is, like, right

great

it needs a little work as well, but i'll put that by reply to your email.

ok
thanks

to who do we send updates for that site?

updates?
what you mean?

yes. like, if we need updates to those pages?

i still dont get you
could you please explain?

Okay, say there's a problem with one of these pages. Who do I speak with to get it fixed?

the package maintainer?
the development mailing list for that package?

the pages.

:?
i may be dumb, but really, i dont get you

if there's a problem with http://www.gnu.org/software/pdf/index.html - who do i email to get it fixed?

the package maintainer?
the development mailing list for that package?

so, there's no one contact? okay.

there are many ways to contact the people behind that webpage
if you are suggesting that we should put an explicit link such as the existing one in the standard template, please do it in a direct way
really, i dont see why i should discuss this here and in this way
email sent

this is the discussion place for the GNU project?

….

ok, matt, you are free to choice how to manage your fellows

hello folks

hi blazemonger

is the Unix Amiga Emulator under the GNU license?
it says it is but for some reason ..notg in gnewsense..i like gnewsense's look and feel much better than Ubuntu
however i want something that comes with a light window manager a light web browser(like dillo)

pwm rules

pwm?
is it light and stuff ? gnome and kde are nice but coming from Amiga land gnome and kde just feel too mac/windowss like ..want something that's more minimal
since that's the style of music i produce

pwm is very light

From being a PC newbie, i have to mention that from all of the distros reccomended on gnu.org musix is the one i had the least probs with

ubuntu is good
you do music?

actually musix worked perfect ..rosegarden configured
yes i do

me too

that's why i got a computer my cojmjmputer fried
MuSiX rules man

http://kattila.org/~mortal/pianopad.mp3

it's got rosegarden, jack, etc. all preconnfigured

a tune of mine
I'll have to try that
some day
I'm running sid

man and it runs off live cd ajnd has alot of softsynths

coolies

try musix dude..it's bad ass..
and you can run it from a flash drive

what kind of soft synth besides fluidsynth
+s

there's a dx7 emulator, all kinds of neat things…
like imagine having all of the audio stuff in debian pre-configured plugins configured already

woot

and igt's based on debian stable which ilike
and it runs great on this p4 1.4ghz 512mb memory laptop

what do you think of the tune?

i tried a lot of OS's before trying MuSiX being PC newbie
im listening now
and all i wanted was something i could do midi sequencing
and im like if a amiga 500 and a atari st can do midi sequencing why can't a PC is what i thought

I like soft synths and live playing

listening
i like it!
mortal musix.org.ar
it comes with this one neat looking window manager io think its x4ce or something
something that's neat has blackbox
blackbox is my favorite window manager ive tried because it has more of that minimalistic atari tos feel
only thing is i need a mentor that can teach me x86 assembly language
and other programming skills
cuz i want to write some code on this pc..if i could make a amiga turn backflips..
a 8mhz systgem with 2mb memory
then 1.4 ghz and 512 mb memory if i can learn the hardware on this notebook it'l launch to planet mars
is Mint any good?
I want a distro just for running nasm
no window manager on the distro at all
something similar to damn small linux but with a 2.6 kernel

Look at Core Distro 2. It's completely free software (and I'm working with them to get them added to the gnu.org links page).

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Hello all. Is this the proper channel to ask newbie questions about GNU make?

Yes (although I cannot help with that)

Okay, handy. I'll ask and hopefully someone will be along who can answer.
I've got my project divided up into several sub-systems, each of which have a client and server sub sub-system. On any given computer I need to install either all client or all server hosting sub sub-systems.
My top level Makefile, as a result, defines client and server targets, which build and install what you might imagine.
To trigger the correct building in recursive make calls I'm attempting to export a variable TYPE that is either `server' or `client'.
Depending on the value of the variable the sub Makefiles should build the appropriate sub sub-system.
After a few hops down the project directory tree through several Makefiles $TYPE is not defined.
The top level Makefile defines TYPE in the client and server targets, "export TYPE=client", for an example, in the client target.
Clearly I'm doing something wrong. How might I export a variable with a value dependant on the initial call to make?

Is anyone here familliar with the issue of net neutrality in the US?
My ISP blocks incoming traffic to port 80 unless I pay extra. Is that the sort of thing the campaign seeks to abolish?

I don't think so

yeah, it seemed a little too anticommercial to me

heh? what seemd anticommercial?

forcing them to hand over every service and feature for someone paying a really cheap bill

We (http://freegeekvancouver.org) would like to arrange to have rms or someone from the FSF/GNU project come to our space in Vancouver, BC, Canada to come speak about the GNU Project/The FSF. Where should I go to do this?

hi gnudists