what is wrong?

:|

how do i find a totally
open hardware system for a cheap price?
like $200-500
something that will work

Uhhhh, Open Cores? :/
Would be nice, I second your question.

but i need it pre-built
because i do NOT know how to put a PC together ansd i dont know any comptuer geeks who will do it for free
shops around here charge $200 just to put a system TOGETHER
i paid $700 for a p4 1.4ghz dell notebook refurbished and it runs ubuntu but it wont ru n gnewsense

Find a friend that can put a PC together then

it wont run anything "free"
i dont know anyone that has the TIME
theyre all doing professional stuff now

Haha, I thought you meant totally open hardware

i want truely open hardware
at least something where the designer makes the OS
to run on that specific platform

hehe

/dev/sda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
Inappropriate ioctl for device
thatsw what you get when you buy a INTEL or AMD , or CYRIX system

I'm not understanding, you want a computer geek to prop up a fabrication plant and make open source hardware and put it together for you?
You want to _literally_ build an open PC?
Rather than just buy parts off newegg?
Its like legos for adults man, you can do it.

hehe except lego doesn't contain poisonious chemicals

In china they do

are gateway systems good?
i found a old pentium 4 gateway with 512 mb of memory at a shop for $100
no monitor included

I bet if you'd just google you would find a bunch of websites that teach you how to build computers

'oh no, you didnt let the magic smoke out, did you?' :p

i have a magnetic field that fries lightbulbs
its already preassembled

In fact, why don't you get a spare one, take it apart and put it back together?

Wikibooks actually has a guide on it

i want something pre-assembled

Come on, try and learn something

im not a comptuer manufacturer or professional;

It doesn't require being a professional/computer manufacturer
I did it when I was 10

after 4 months iof trying to get DMA to work on a chipset that i find is NOT supported i think i give up on PC's
and i should just use a windows based system until i learn the PC architecture
but i cant find systems which come with xp instead of vista around here
dell has this one system that's only $300 and it's way more upt od ate than that gateway system

You have me confused to wether you're a clueless end user or some kind of kernel hacker

but it has vista on it

What were you doing fooling around with DMA on hard disks or whatnot?

i'm a longtime Amiga fanatic who just recently got into trying PC's
so i could get gnewsense to boot in less than 5 minutes
on a p4 2.4ghz
the one i built
i think it's cuz I built it
and not a reputable3 company

:/

the world of PC's is much different from Amiga's

How was amiga?

PERFECT

Why did you leave?

got struck by lightening at a outdoor rave
and i said ok.im gonna try PC
so i end up spending $3000 in PC stuff and parts trying different motherboards

You're using pretty obscure systems already, why not try out BeOS?
:P

Amiga 4000 with 680×0 is NOT obscure
i say the linux kernel should just be scratched and improve on AROS
man i wish i could find a windows xp key
i lost mine
but i dont want to put a unlicensed windows on the net

I don't know anything about amiga, how do I get into it and where do I buy a machine
blazemonger its not like most people pay for windows, just crack it

thing is which of these computer stystems will run what u folks call a FREE os

Eh? Phrase that differently
Do they still develop for the amiga? What about hardware?

no
ppl refurbish them
tv stations use them alot
the tv series babylon 5 was made using amiga 4000s and video toasters

so this is old school stuff that is left behind and in the past
no wonder the amiga web site talks of everything in past tense

hehe

who here can build me a system that is totally open with the program seq-24 ?
musix works but it actually will just run from cd properly
its a live cd and i dont know how to install it
the day that free software is able to be easily used by end users it will defeat everything else

blazemonger so, you built a PC but you are having problems with the hardware correct?

yes
i cant get anything working

But, disregarding that, you are trying to install gnewsense?

i built a pc (TRIED) I still cant get the sidepanel stuff on
yes
i have it installed
but it takes 5 minutes to boot
i have old ide drives i got used
cuz i was broke after buying this mobo

:[

it's a springdale ch ipset too
and it's got this PATA/SATA b.s.
which ive NEVER heard of before

wait, I thought you were using IDE/PATA, not SATA

whats up with the [PS]ATA?

its also got this stuff on it like IEEE, usb, etc.

pata=ide, sata=sata

well why does gnewsense take forever to boot?

Old crappy hand-me-down diskdrives like you said?

well at least commmodore didnt sue people like microsoft and intel did
yes

good question - why does YOUR gnewsense take forever?

after paying $1000 for a d865perl mobo
and now i cant sell it bakc

I'm getting a vibe that you're trying to blame this on the software

i now find out my chipset is not supported by any free software
nope
its linus tarvolds
himself

You should wait until your next paycheck and buy better harddisks

at least steve jobs took acid
maybe i shiould buy a mac
and put gnewsense on it
pre-built pre-assembled everything
i want to just do coding and midi sequencing
but i want a mac with a motorolla chipset though
the dealer i got the board from said NOTHING about incompatibilities with linux
i said 'are you SURE it will work with GNU LINUX" and he said 'yes it sh ould if you find the drivers
and the drivers on my mobo do NOT exist

blazemonger, code them

blambi, whos "he" in that situation?
the person trying to sell $1000 worht of gear?

i dont know x86

you should google and make sure everything works before buying

i thought i knew what i was doing cuz i had years of amiga experience and thought that pc world would be the easiest thing
but i was wrong

easiest?
no wai

i need something easy to set up and run
like seq-24

blazemonger, that'll be ubuntu

ubuntu doesnt work either

blazemonger, do you have a picture of yourself?

what does not work?

no photo
the DMA on my drives

if you build a system it will *always* be less liekly to work then a prepackaged system.

hdparm -d1 /dev/sda gives me error

Yeah, and isn't gnewsense like gobuntu? What is the difference

well where can i get a pre-built system that will run gnewsense

blazemonger, from dell
dell sells pcs with ubuntu installed

how much is the cheapest desktop system they sell that has ubunpoo

let me check

i only have $100

that's not enough

Well, they have a new sub-notebook coming out from Asus called the Eee, it has xandros tho
I have no money as I'm an unemployed minor but I'm going to steal one somehow
Oh
Its uhhh, 199$

blazemonger, do you need a monitor?

Olgem, one is a canonical product, one is an FSF sponsored distro is probably the starting point. its gets more tricky after htat

dell has one for $379
without a monitor

Wantok, on the first day there will be some forum post about a guy installing ubuntu on it or something

will it work with a 5 year old monitor

if it's VGA

i have this old 14" display

or DVI

its VGA

works then

so it will work?
the cheapest is $379?
any cheaper?

yes
but it's good

even if its refurbished

it has a core2duo

You could go on ebay.

a good graphics card

what's core2duo
why do i need a high end video card for doing just midi sequencing?

you don't

and learning x86 asm

blazemonger, just assemble your own pc then
and buy host your website with us - cheap prices parts

should i just get a system from a place that deals in machines made for studios?
i did already and it doesnt work too well
i have a d865perl pentium 4 springdale chipset

blazemonger do you have a website that hosts your sweet midi riffs
Or am I misinterpreting midi senquencing

Olgem, hes not, hes just a person who genuinely doesnt buy well

i never had a website
im NOT a troll
i'm serious
i w3ant a system made for gnewsense
where everything just flat out works
and is free

blazemonger, you have to search for each individual component
to make sure it works

i dont feel like searching for individual components
i want the sequencer already configured
is that toom uch to ask in a computer?

yes

ive done too much searching

if you're not ready to search buy a comercially supported system
dell's with ubuntu for example

windows doesnt have any good midi sequencing software though
is windows good for lazy ppl?

windows has okay midi sequencing software…

i don't like windows
not only because it's not free

if you show me one descent midi sequencing software package that works in windows i'll show you a 1ghyz commodore 64
cuz i tried sequencing stuff in windows
no work

blazemonger, but why are you asking that here?
this is gnu ffs
FSF has campaigns against windows

This is the GNU FSF FFS!

lol
smooth

i know but gnu can build a system for musicians

this is the cabal!
:P

plenty of software for hat
*that

they can… with help…

kyle:th CLOSEST to working midi sequencing software ive3 seen on PC is seq-24
im not anti microsoft or anti apple
the reason i hate microsoft is bill gates never droppped acid like steve jobbs did

o_0
your not going to like me then

why's that?

alcohol is hte hardest drug i take

can you build me a system that will let me do midi sequencing

apart from medication/s
i'm not a muso, so probalby no

medication is for pussies

i AM impressed with my friend's apple that came with logic audio though
logic audio is nice

psykon, thanks, but i'll be a pusy over catch typhoid or Hep A

what if the medication is of proprietary design?

malaria tablets are nasty on the body, but i dont consider malaria that scary
did take my pills anyway

I only take public domain and generic drugs

I only take medication to go overseas.

willl there ever be a free software equivalent to logic audio?

where the hell do you live?
in the jungle?

blazemonger, No, everyone hates music makers
psykon, i live in Australia, i was visiting Papua New Guinea

yes
and i like jungle
its better than house
what's a good price for a computer that will run the linuxbios?
cuz i just want a computer with ONLY a midi sequencer and a assembler
i didnt know there was a windows xp digital audio workstation edition

never heard of it

Microsoft Windows XP Pro Digital Audio Workstation Edition-mythX

afaik theres no "Digital Audio Workstation" released by MS

it's on a torrent site
maybe i should try it before buying
m
what u mean?

Isn't grep used like "cat textfile.txt | grep search string"?

no

textfile

as a command

"command not found"

whats the exact line yoru runnign?

"grep FOOirclogs/irc.freenode.net/#gnu.log"

kill communism and fund the development of a GNU Digital Audio Workstation computing platform

"grep FOO irclogs/irc.freenode.net/#gnu.log"

Microsoft=commiez

Davo_Dinkum, check for escaping on the / and #
oterhwise not srue what to sugest - spell grep right?

Err, escaping?

Dav_dinkum:i still cant get out of dma-less hell
is there a option to add to gr5ub
i only want to run this gnu prog seq-24
the closest to a working midi sequencer i've seen on a *PC*

Is there a small command-program or script that can send mail through smtp?

mutt ?

kyle, you tell me. can I throw it a command like "mutt –to=some@domain.com –subject='test' –content='This is a test' " ?
That would be awesome

echo "This is a test!" | mail -s "Test" 'foo@bar.com'

yup
but you need some ~/.muttrc config to make it use a remote smtp
if you already have a working email system in that computer , you can use mail from the mailx package as ness pointed

Thanks

Do you know a good highlevel assembler / lowlevel C compiler? I basically need C without stack and the possibility for explicit ordering

What happened to Brave GNU World? It's been three years since an issue has been published

i'm hoping to bring it back.

Perhaps modernize it and allow for easy community contribution and article discussions
And an email list would be nice…
What happened that it stopped, anyways?

hi, I have grep 2.5.1 installed from my distribution. I am compiling 2.5.3.
while compiling 2.5.3, I ran into this error
/bin/sh: line 9: makeinfo: command not found
what program contains makeinfo?

texinfo

Ok I will install texinfo now. Thank you so much Larhzu

Hope it isn't dependent on grep 2.5.3
That would be a strange dependency..

octoberdan, you mean the texinfo? It's just a make dependency, not a runtime dependency

is there anyway to stop using a ton of "../../../" includes in a autotools app?
someway i can refernece a base?

thanks guys, bye!

Go in nano-fr@chat.jabberfr.org the french nano room (jabber) !

hello

hi
sorry my english is bad !
very bad :/

does someone know if i can "force" a target in makefiles ?
something like this
ifndef var
goto rules_help
endif

Is it possible to figure out the directory path within which a Bash script is located from the script itself?

$0

Thanks.

it becomes useless when you open windows."

octoberdan, Thanks, I'll share that one with my friends.

Take into account that if you get problems and call to support, they usually start by telling to open the windows for diagnosing the problem…

is there anyway to stop using a ton of "../../../" includes in a autotools app?
someway i can refernece a base?

how do elf shared libs have version definitions set?
on gnu/linux*

No idea - do you

it's weird, the libpng on my ubuntu rig has PNG12_0 set, but I compiled it from source and I get no definitions.. so I'm wondering where it came from

Somewhere else I suppose - You have to check it up

I'm trying, googling and asking here

maybe in an other lib having to do with such area or to do with nearby issues

ah I got it

right then

http://plan99.net/~mike/writing-shared-libraries.html great page

Thanks - !
It was a question of version then.
The doc part I do like, Its often an issue itself to track

any ideas how to download the videos on this page? http://www.purevolume.com/videos/mxpx/sessions I'm stumped :/

fan of mxpx?

how'd you guess?
YAY!
does that give you a little incentive to help me figure out how to get this flv?

yea
where is yuri

that was the tour he stayed home because his wife had a baby

ahh

I got to see one of the first shows he played after he came back

nice
ive never seen em live

that was my first time. It was awesome. You can find the videos of it on my/others youtube accounts. Just search for "mxpx bloomingdale"

hi
How do i get a gnu cloak ?

what's a gnu cloak?

this is from the freenode faq: Can I get a hostname cloak? Yes. You can get a generic "unaffiliated" user cloak to hide your hostname from DoS attacks or you can get a project cloak to show your participation in a community project.

What are some corporations whose sole source of income (or perhaps most of it) comes from Free Software?
Or otherwise ones that have made huge contributions?
I've got Red Hat, Sun, Mozilla Corporation, MySQL AB….

hi all

morning

anyone speaks Japanese?

is it always this quiet here?

here isnt quiet, i play piano

]ŒåohèÕL\cfD~YGPLhKBSDhK]FDF餻ó¹o
readme.txt of a piece of source code by a japanese guy. Machine translations say:
"I am making all except it. Neither GPL nor BSD nor such license exists at all. Use freely."
or

Public domain

"I make other than that entirely. The license which GPL or BSD it melts and says does not exist altogether. Please use freely."
Davo_Dinkum, thanks !
I needed this sources

If the author is saying that the software has no license, it is public domain, and may as well be under a non-copyleft free software license.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html Public Domain: Being in the public domain is not a license; rather, it means the material is not copyrighted and no license is needed. Practically speaking, though, if a work is in the public domain, it might as well have an all-permissive non-copyleft free software license. Public domain material is compatible with the GNU GPL.

would anyone be willing to help troubleshoot an error from ./autogen.sh?

nice, my project is GPL

People in #japanese of #nihongo might speak Japanese

oh, thank you Davo

np

I'm translating some docs from http://rpg2kdev.sue445.net/
it's a RPG Maker reverse engineering project

maybe or not, but i am not an automake professional, just glad that my own small files are running. What is your error ?

oops
still here?
http://pastebin.com/m44a973c
that's the error
and it's dead again
anyone still awake here?

sorry, i cant help

That's thanks for the offer tho
that's what I get for trying to run dev software
I'm wondering if the package is looking for a gettext compatible piece

james__, same as http://www.kiba-dock.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=30&topic=274.30

fdelapena
yes, but I have all the required libs installed
unless they're using some specific implementation

at the 4th page of this forum

yes?

the same guy replies again

which one?

"muhmuh"
in bottom of 3rd page
he pastes same as you
next reply could be his own autoreply, maybe

so by that, it may mean just checking the other packages and making the files executeable with chmod?

why chmod?

the reply states it must be executeable
i'm gonna check my libs against those on page 4 and see what happens
i was missing two packages, found on
one**
I still need libglitz-glx-dev Which is not in my current repo's
nvm that's a virtual package
woohoo it's working

uhm

how is it that you were able to trouble shoot someone else's build files and know just what to do?
i suppose the answer was always there, i just wasn't looking for the right package

i just looked for the error sentence with quotes in google
hahah
and I found that thread

I looked on the site and didn't see it
that's the dev's site
when I asked him directly he didn't know what to do

"variable `export_symbols' is used but `export_symbols' is undefined"
it will show that thread

nice
so hold on
how do I know if anything has to be done other that make?
I thought there was 1 other command

which command?

maybe that one is for Daniel
I forgot

su and make install probably

../configure && make && make install

normally autogen.sh calls some tools that generates you makefiles and runs the configure script, then you run make, and after that you use make install to install it in some /usr/ .. directory
todo that last step, normally you need root rights

hmm hang on
http://pastebin.com/m6856630e
ok that dir output after make
so next make install?

first su

su or sudo?

su

ok
what's the worst if that's not right?

nth is worse on it

make

ok the package could contain some bad software , so if you dont trust that package , then dont install it woth root rights

so no big woop
right lol

make install

make install does notta there

ok then type exit, and check if your previous make was correct

will do
http://www.kiba-dock.org/index.php?option=com_mambowiki&Itemid=39
what do you make of that?

is there an autogen.sh file?

wel they write, to enter make install as root, too

i did sudo and it worked i think

I don't remember if after autoreconf you need type automake and other commands

then you can type exit and you should be able to run the app without ./ in front

do you have already configure.am, configure.im etc.?

it should be copied into /usr/bin or sth like that

it depends on the other apps i think
yes
and i left out –prefix="/usr"
during ./autogen.sh
will that be an issue?

well i guess it will then installed into /usr/bin at you
you should see that after calling make install as root
kiba-dock

it's going good so far

good

if one directory states no make file found?
I think it's supposed to include some hardware rendering code
does that sound right to have no make file then?

no, that is usally the case, if you havent runned configure

in that directory and it won't hurt anything?

so that sounds more to me, that configure failed somewhere

hmmm
right you are sir
think i know what happened
i believe i have software that wasn't ready to be installed
IE daniel didn't state that the current svn was useless
in one directory if I make
error no target specified

xchm (2:1.13-4)
Is that version 1.13?