we can, but it's inbound-only. we pay for uploads.

get it off ebay and have it shipped… \

That could be, I don't honestly know, but I know people who have used it and thought well of it.

OMG! ROTFL!

lol I guess that depends on what satcom you hook in to

It doesn't seem to be rocket science to install the eclipse+svn stuff though.

no. depends on the local telecoms company. I'll explain why now

ill just ignore this step for now

we have only one telecoms company. the regulate *all* communication going *in* and *out* of here..everything goes through them at some point. even sat, you need to pay them royalties. and their royalties are expensive…

frozty_sa, if you know unix and can learn the lnc downconverter/ uplink frequencies… as long as you arent breaking any laws you should be home free

pretty big if

there are many southern sky comsats specifically owned by the usa and south africa has absolutely nothing to do with them

heh…I've got connections in the whole telecoms industry. I could hook on to pas7 if I wanted to. but as you say, the laws
dude..believe me, the laws here screw us over

yeah well life sux for you then

I 3 telcom

we're only *now* getting closer to intl standards in terms of internet
yeah, I know
my internet costs me in the ranges of US$30 for 6.5gigs of traffic

lol greed

My internet costs me a couple of grand a month.

I am the internet

i can has monopoly too?

btw, I came across a company called busness business to business a while ago. offering unlimited caps… r700p/m excl. adsl line

frozty_sa, mine costs under 50/month but no caps

icann?

But, I do have 4×100mbps connections…

I mean, our main, landline telecoms operator is one who tries to convince people that 384k as broadband
*envy* *respect*

jafo my 8meg connection cost me 40 dollars a month

hear iBurst technically isn't? lol…

frozty_sa, aren't they building another along the east coast?

no thing such as unlimited in SA..(I work for an ISP)

this hotel connection is included in the room

yes. and it's still coming along with the 2nd national telecoms

384k is a lot better then dial up

when I was in SA last the HSDPA rocked

it's still taking a while

quicke than london I reckon

My home 8mbps connection rarely gives me more than 4mbps download, but whatever. And it's just likely to be worse now that school is back in session.

true…but then, the voda and mtn backbones are now unstable
too many people bought. it's now crashing under weight

sorry about that jafo your connection sux

lol
that country is getting worse

I got a quick question. I just added Livina Repository and hit update. Now before when I did the updates, it only

verizon fios is great

Yeah, but somehow I'll survive. Much of my downloading I do over the quad 100mbps to my servers anyway.

had about 180 updates.. Now it has like 331..

yeah….and we all know who to blame….

http://broadband.datapro.co.za/business-uncapped-adsl-a-fibre.html is one

Did I do something wrong, or something right?

lol yeah.. Im gagging here not to say anything!

rather don't

I aint that stupid _

but the one bit that p**** me of MOST, is the fact that they probably know their wrong but due to pride and arrogance won't admit it

right now Im living with hotel connections and believe me they suck

what ever happened to megawan ?

died. cost

unlucky

Im at 1.06mbps right now

well, cost, and coverage

and then they wonder why we are still 3rd world… yep. the government want money.

hahaha!
you call that slow??

I found out the hotel we were at for PyCon had 4 T1s serving both the conference we were having there *AND* the guest room internet. I was shocked considering they were charging $10/night for it.

well yes actually

you pay through the nose here just to get 512k…

its free everywhere Ive stayed so far

It's totally a travesty that we don't have 20mbps down 2 to 4mbps up as a regular internet service in the US now.

frozty_sa, thats not very good thinking on the part of your internet providers… they are losing a lot of revenue by keeping it so expensive

f_newton, depends on the hotel. I have seen some that charge more for a 512k connection..

did you catch my question about nagios plugins up there ^ amongst all the madness

no their not. they are actually gaining

Lots of rural places have way better net than the urban places because they have fewer issues with lock-in by the big LEC who want to protect their business hosting service that they over charge for.

well every place Ive been booked in to offers free high speed… and the wifi cafes around here offer free too

Heck, my fathers, "high speed" is only 500k and he is playing $40 per month..

you heard the whole taiwan (or likes) theory? its cheaper (if downloading, i think, 10GB) to get a return ticket to taiwan and download it. when you get back, it would still be downloading here…

the "fast" standard here till about 3 years ago was isdn

lol

Here, I am paying like 30 for a 6M connection

I'll check now

yeah genefitz thats pretty good

that thing about the plugin?

if you get the chance to get fios … get it

lets hope PLC pans out…

plc?

frozty_sa yeah
step 5
in the readme

I guess it all has to do with the location and what the companies can get away with..

dunno. didn't do from source. but I figure it's safe to skip

Out where my pops is, there is only one high speed service, here, I can pick from like five..

well charge a thousand 1000 dollars or get 10 dollars from 2 million…
its your choice
me I'll take the 40 mil

powerline communication… baie, faster den my bakkie baie, fast internet.

too noisy moitoius

more about peering agreements isn't it?

ethernet over power?

yep

f_newton, in areas where there is only one provider, that provider can get away with charging what ever they want.. It sucks, but the reality of business..

haha…not here…here it'd be an improvement to the connection most have

genefitz, a good business man could move in and clean up

true, (lol ixion), but there are working prototypes, apparently… who cares? the power is off most of the time.

what, here?

south africa's issue isnt in its ability to provide decent infrastructure… it all boils down to telcoms monopoly

yes
as ixion said
quick wrapup of our situation for anyone, explaining the oddities?

f_newton, and one day one will. I keep on telling him, "Wait till you get a Digital cable provider there, you will see the cost drop and the service speed way up"

greed

He is waiting..

lets hope neotel puts them in thier place, but they only supply large corps atm.

you could have the best infrastructure in your world but if its all plugged into telcoms network u're screwed

screw telkom

yes. and the res trial is now in its 3rd and final month

it would either have to be based on the telcom net or a cable net
wave propagation is not feasible

Last time my father visited me here, he got on my computer and almost had a heart attack from the speed..

its also too dangerous

His connection, even at 500k, I liken to dial-up…

lol dial up
man if thats all ya can get it will have to do

not a joke. that is the REIGNING type of internet connection here

south african only got ADSL like a year ago or something?

My wife spent a month up at the lake in Canada. She had 20kbps dial-up. If you think 500k is bad, try 20k for a month.

lol\

f_newton, moving from a 6M to a 500k system is like moving to dial-up..

3~4

I know
my hotel connections are pitiful compared to my fios at home

This place is extremely rural, it's an hour by car to the mailbox, she was lucky she had anything.

but it only got really nice and stable-ish about 2~3 years ago

jafo, no thanks, I would be pulling my hair out..

I got the fios at home
fasssst

i am. imagine trying to develop over 33kpbs…

hey regardless of how shit we think it is.. its still pretty fucking amazing that when I press enter at the end of this sentance you guys from all your weird corners of the world will receive this message in less than a second
oh soz language

moitous, again, no thanks.. You would be seing me beat my head against the keyboard non-stop..

that's a cute name for a bot…

not a bot
he's just got auto-responders in place

no i dont

yes you do

no i dont

oh? hello..thought you were out

lol

i have a shortcut

Everyone is someones kid…

I just got finished with an over 700 meg download.. It would take me 3 days with dial-up
bI just got finished with an over 700 meg download.. It would take me 3 days with dial-up/b

i type /polite nickname

been in any fudcon today?
yeah….like I do /paste

Takes less than 10 minutes on my connection,

:-p

frozty_sa, i heard it had been canceled

*gasp*
Where, by the way?

and i had to go do a festival at my lodged adult living home

i'm so n00b at IRC

moitoius, thats how i do it

Oh, by the way f_newton, I finally figured out my issue with the nVidia drivers.. Don't use them. My monitor isn't supported correctly…

cheers

I was wondering..checked #fudcon today, was empty

what type of monitor are you using?

ricky, where what

that clear sucks

Acer AL1916W. The driver defaults it to the wrong resolution and won't let it change..

Where did you hear that it was canceled?

from someone who was suppose to present

Aha- aw/

I did a wiki search and found that no linux distro likes the monitor and no nVidia drivers will work with it..

genefitz, did you try to manually configure it

Speaking of monitors, I was trying the Intel X3100 to support them and their open sourceness, but it just wouldn't drive my display so I ordered an nvidia. We'll see if that helps, but the 8600GTS should have plenty of huevos for it.

jafo i love my 7600

VileGent, I went as far as to add the modes into Xorg, but the driver took over and set it right back to it's defaults..

It winged that it couldn't support the dot clock I needed, even though it seemed like it was supposed to (dot clock required was like 148.2, and it was supposed to handle 150).

I will have to submit a bug-report I suppose..

wee!

Well, I was hoping to be able to avoid the closed source drivers by going with Intel.. The 8600GTS has two DVI ports though so I guess I need to get another monitoring.
Just have to figure out where I'll put a second 47" display… Maybe I'll mount it in portrait mode…

I'd be surprised if you can't get the nvidia drivers to drive a dvi display with a little rtfm and tweaking

???

anyone know if there is a fix to get sound workign on a dell lattitude d630 ?

AndyCap, maybe, but I am far too much of a nub to even start trying to figure out what to do..

driving 2 dell fp2007 at work

should work

alpha255, it doesnt

did you try soundconfig?

administration

system-config-soundcard

in gnome

I am using a newer computer, Gateway GT5426E and for some reasons most distros don't like the computer to begin with..

genefitz, well its a gateway

is it on mute?

well clicking on the "play button" doesnt do anything

Fedora and Ubuntu were the only Distros I could get to work on it with sound and Ethernet, to begin with..

k

alsamixer doesnt even start up

kaos01, select analog or digitial

ahhh

As it stands now, I have my resolution, I will just deal without the added effects.. I am more of a productivity driven user anyway..
VileGent, yes, it is…lol

i think its an also problem, according to google
theere is even a log in /root/scsrun.log

genefitz, we banned gateway in ou
r workplace
when you order a computer and it takes 4 to get one that boots

http://perseverantia.com/index.php?p=429 on that page it talks about some modules that need to be loaded for it to work
it talks about slack
ware
though

VileGent, well, I originally bought this computer for a Vista box, after I got finished Beta testing it, but chose later to use it for linux..

i read one neds to compile some module into kernel …
i love to get this to work, as everyone here will be getting these laptops

that was with version 10 slack is at 12 now
you are using Fedora 7 right?

This week, I will be building another desktop for a dedicated for linux, Pentium D, 2 Gig, smaller video card, etc..

just want to be sure

still in?

alpha255, yes i just installed fedora7

k

U'm just going to use my Vista box for my TV tuner and multimedia center, and use my linuc box for everything else..
I'm even

in terminal window we can use " lspci " to find the sound chip and then " lsmod " to list the loaded modules
i want to make sure the right module is loaded for the chip
chip = sound chip

kaos01, yum update maybe the newer kernels and other programs may support that sound card

ahh good idea…. should have started there to begin with

still sitting around…

VileGent, my system is up to date

look at the bottom of that link you showed earlier
"T&C apply"

it's taking a white… erm… cellphone connection not the best

what they mean there, is that you get a veeeeery big cap, divided into little time units. if you use more than x amount of data in a time period, they schny you on speed till you cut down

did you hear sound while doing the initial install?

alpha255, no it never worked

yeah, that's just the code host though, not the actual server

ok in a terminal window do this…. /sbin/lspci | grep audio

yup. there's no getting around our "favourite" green and blue hosting company (yet)

the | is the pipe key and not the L key

alpha255, returns nothing

oh, the other one…. thought you were talking about googlecode.

no. didn't even see googlecode….
will have to backscroll a bit

try it w/o the | grep audio
you'll need to look for something with audio or sound it it
in it

ok

mybey someting like AC 97 or ? dunno

]Audio device: Intel Corparation 82801H

http://rjabberd.googlecode.com, I have to develop the Jabber Server before I can do anything with PUSH mail.

kaos01, is it a sigmatel?

VileGent, what a sigmatel ?

has sound ever worked on the laptop?

audio

also make sure speakers are on just to be sure

no, sound never worked

I was 9000+ lines into a C# program before I decide that windows sucks to much, so I switched to secure linux web hosting and better OSS languages (Ruby). have to start again, drat

i just installed fedora 7 last night

even with windows?

works with windows

hell yes

is there a mute key on the keyboard?

our entire dev runs on ruby/ruby on rails

alpha255, yes there is a mute key …

Fedora seems to like TG/Python

try pressing it and see if sound works then

alpha255, no haha

may I come work where you work… I was stuck using ColdFusion the last place I was at. was horrible. it's kinda hard to let C# go, I have been using for near 7 years now.

hummm….

No such device
intel-hda compiled in the kernel instead of a module and sound works

did you get the pm?

yep…

how often are you online?
haha!! I like that quit message..

since I installed linux, pretty much all the time
in other words, since I booted windows.

hahaha

as root user in terminal su - give password enter this… less /proc/asound/cards

alpha255, —no soundcards —

ok,
it looks like a few others have had some problems with that chipset
hang on

yes

lspci -vv | grep 82801 will give you more detail on the chip … lspc -vv | less will let you scroll around with the up down arrow keys
int he term window
is this a PCIe based motherboard?

how do i tell ?
Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge

start reading here…. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=160584

ok

looks like there might be some problems with detecting pcie boards from agp boards
video based motherboards
make sure to keep up with the auto updates and I'm sure there is a fix

ok, thanks for your time

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-134437.html

i read that article before …

there is also a bug filed at bugzilla

cool

my guess is it will be fixed in a couple of weeks
just remember all software has bugs…

some are more noticable for avarage users

true

the place im at now are the greatest advocates of fedora, servers, desktops, laptops … everything is fedora

here's the bugzilla page… https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246635
cool I like fedora
I run lots of different software though… Linux based, Mac OS based and even Windows
bI run lots of different software though… Linux based, Mac OS based and even Windows/b
ubI run lots of different software though… Linux based, Mac OS based and even Windows/b/u
does anyone there have their rhct?
or rhce?

no
we are an edu, cheap skates

oh i know about working in edu and being cheap skates
i get lots of donations

donations ?

old computers turned into fedora linux machines

haha

yep
extended the lives of a few machines

well we run a beowulf cluster on old machines

and developed two web sites on them
cool
old machines work well for afs cells too

after 3 years they go to beowulf cluster

sweet

kaos01, takes us 5 years

i like to try afs

it interesting stuff
it = it's

VileGent, it might become like that here as well, budget is going down the drain
currently after 3 years, waranty expires, hence go to beowulf cluster

gota go
l8tr

do any of you guys get fanta grape where you are?

lol

hi!
what does (repair filesystem) 4 # sounds like it wants the admin to do?

seriously
is south african the only country in the world with fanta grape?

You get that when the normal boot process fails because of a problem mounting an important filesystem.

thanks for the confirmation . does it say which one?

No.
Look further up for hints.

oki. thanks.

Does Fedora come with a program that lets me configure IP on an Ethernet interface?
I just want to set my own dedicated ip hosting address and a default route.

Yes. system-config-network

working with remote hands. I'm gonna get someone on phone soon.

is that the name of the executable?

Yes.

Thanks, I shall try that now.

ixion, to answer your question is who cares

people who like fanta grape
surely we can talk about other stuff too

No, this channel is for Fedora discussions. If you have non-Fedora topics then move them to #fedora-social .

ah
ok

Is my IP configuration held in a text file somewhere?

lol VileGent have I told you how great my new intel pro wireless 3945 works with the iwl3945 driver yet?

Read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt.

ball, cli?

yes

system-config-network-tui

thanks ivazquez

you didnt state that before

assuming for a moment that I don't have access to either program, or the documentation that you mentioned, where should I look for my IP config?

/sbin ifconfig

that'll be for the executable. I'm looking for the config file.

but since you are here you do have access to both

hypothetically though.

ball have you already mapped out your ip configuration?

if you dont have root access then in that case we are not to help hack the box

I have root.

you have been pointed to the programs and documentation

I just have little Linux clue

ball that has to do with ip address host configuration and not that much with linux.

It's Linux-specific though.

linux is merely the platform you are doing the work

ball even more reason to RTM

On BSD it would be ifconfig.eth0
No idea about the Linux equivalent
(can't find it)

and you have a problem reading the manual and think we should spoonfeed you why

Okay, I'll see whether I can find the doc that was mentioned.
It doesn't look like I'll get a straight answer to a simple question here.

lol

how much more straight answers can you get than that

that was a disappointment
he wanted a step by step network map
I think

he wanted spoonfeed

as far as I know he could do ifconfig -h also couldnt he?

sure
but of course he didnt want to read the man page for it either
and i pointed him to ifconfig

if he understands bsd and ip configuration the man page has all he needs

f_newton, no way said he understood bsd
that he just has used it (so he claims)

well bsd is the root of modern unix hosting arch so …
well

f_newton, then of course he could have done a locate eth0
mgrant, which the docs we pointed him to reference

mgrant, first he needed to be pointed to either nano or gedit or the like

fair enough

you cant write on the board if you cant find the chalk

f_newton, he was claiming cli

yeah I heard that

I have four SATA drives (160gig, 160gig, 240gig, 500gig) and I have a SATA RAID card for the machine. I tried to configured RAID 0 (Striped), but after configuring I only end up with 630ish gig. Can someone tell me why that is? I thought RAID 0 would use the total space on the
drives?

apparently he is trying to configure a network map for his data server
and workstations
as far as I know it does

if you want to use them all as one large drive then use LVM

Why is there no Screensaver config menu item in XFCE?
fedora seems to hide xscreensaver cause it promotes gnome-screensaver? even in XFCE

siimo, wish I could help, but I use KDE pretty much exclusively…
XFce confuses me too much..

siimo what r u talking about
u eithyer use gnome or kde

i use XFCE

and kde or gnome

no
its a desktop environment like those 2

o rly

indeed it is

YA RLY

oh

http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.4-3.png

meh i like kde…

gnome ftw

EDE FTW :p

blackbox ftw

go CDE!

I tried the XFce interface once, didn't like it to I went to KDE. Nothing against it, it just wasn't for me.. lol

blackbox is a window manager only though

ok no WM wars

is there a way to use a WM such as Openbox or FVWM where I can still use the NetworkManager tool? Would I have to use gnome-panel inside the other WM and add it to startup? or is there cli/non-gnome tool for Network Manager

nm-applet works in kde, but poorly. knetworkmanager might work, i dunno
i like kde's NM aplet better anyway

Yea I love how easy it is to connect between networks in network manager, but I just wish there was a way to be able to use it without pulling in gnome libs

knetworkmanager
thats the kde version, try that

siimo, the command for the config tool is "xscreensaver-demo"

Juhaz, CDE is fun

yes i know i was looking for the .desktop file o_X
anyway i created it myself

/usr/share/applications/gnome-screensaver-properties.desktop. seems to have an onlyshowin line

hmm… I keep getting: "cdda:///dev/scd1" is not a valid location
i cannot browse my CDs from nautilus
can someone do an "ls -l /dev | grep 'scd'" for me?

and the helpful command of the day for finding files from applications goes to ….drumroll…. rpm -ql

so I can compare maybe

nn

nite

Do you have CDE for linux?

no, it was tongue in cheek.

serious question, is there a way to prevent rm -rf / ? like i dunno mask that command in bashrc file?

You could rename rm then write a shell script that verifies the arguments.

almost impossible to prevent all variants

not saying all variants just that one
as it will do most damage.. all hdds mounted gone
sometimes im like rm -rf /home/me/stuff and accidently migfht hit enter after the first /

GNU rm doesn't require the flags to immediately follow the command.

yes i know
but im in the habit of typing them first

i wonder if "chmod -X /bin/rm" would work
hehe
until u needed it anyway

what about rm /usr/bin/rm
o_X

oh thats good!

could anyone tell me the best hosting upgrade route from fc6 to f7, or is it worth just waiting for F8?

grab dvd n upgrade from it, or reformat

I'd use the media, if that's possible.

I can download the dvd,, but is the upgrade process good , or will it screw things up

yellowled2k, will you want to upgrade to f8 right away?

probably pretty quick.. ill most likely install from scratch on f8
just dont feel like the hassle of that now..

the upgrade process is fine

im got a few apps not installed via yum tho..

if you don't have 900 3rd party packages installed you should be fine

built from source.. and webmin etc, not sure it that will be a problem?

yes, that will be
bad idea installing source in fedora

Hi all

after I download a desklet where do I place it in order to be able to run it with gdesklets

well not all programs are made into rpms?

forget upgrading .. you might even break yum and rpm doing things like that
then you make one

why make one rather then just compile host it?

because instaling source can overwrite normal rpms

Eh, installing into with –prefox=/usr/local should be safe.

making an rpm is not much tougher than simply compiling though

or the files owned by them

s/into with –prefox/with –prefix

surely only if its the same or similar program

never mind.
do as you wish, i won't fight you.

lol, I'm asking why

ok… i did a "gnome-mount -d /dev/scd1 -m cdrom" and it mounted to /media/cdrom
but it still wont open within natalis

and opsec you just said the upgrade would be "fine" then "forget upgrading "
so which is it?

if you've compiled things and installed them from source .. do not attempt an upgrade.. unless you're prepared to do surgery if things go bad
if you haven't it should work fine
it is not a good habit to just install source.. however, if that's what you want to do, do it.

opsec, can u help me?

i generally dont install source.. but I didnt realise a RPM could be made from source instead..

"cdda:///dev/scd1" is not a valid location.
when I try to browse a mounted CD
i even mounted it with gnome-mount

Did you check BZ?

BZ?

bugzilla

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BuildingPackagesGuide

no.. it worked before.. i just played with mount points and then try to revert back
it isnt a bug I dont think

whats with your attitude?

define "played with mount points"

manuallly mounted to undefault directories
and maybe messed with symbolic links to the /dev devices
I tried to fix it back however

i apologize.. i've been irritated by our interaction..

thats why I wanted to see someone else with two optical drives can show me their symbolic links to scd0 and scd1

hmm I dont think the fact ive not built an rpm from source before makes me some kind of idiot ..

yellowled2k, what have u built from source
if so.. make note of it then rebuild in F7

not many things.. maybe 4-5 programs

yeah.. i'd just rebuild them after… Im not sure how to do SRPMs, its explained on Fedora wiki sites

hmm ok, is there a good F7 upgrade guide then, or is it just a case of booting from the CD..
doesnt look like much has changed in 7 anyway.. so still debating upgrade

yellowled2k, i would just wait

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f7/en_US/sn-Installer.html

especially if you are planning to do a fresh install as soon as f8 hits the ground

Fedora 7 is a pretty good update… Yum is much faster and wireless support is much better

yeah im feeling that way, just heard f7 selinux was much better
my wireless is pretty good atm luckily..
f8 is oct release right?

Early Nov.

system-config-selinux is very cool and the troubleshooting tool is improved

I need some help to build a kernel. My kernel goes wrong in this line: mkrootdev -t ext3 -o defaults,ro /dev/hda6 (inside initrd)

keep it on targeted mode enforcing. The other mode is really ugly and you'll end up with a non-working system without hours of confusion
you can tingle with enough settings with targeted mode to get a secure system and provide general protection to all apps, even those for which security policies havent been made

sounds good, probably only reason i'd upgrade

Yum's performance alone is a reason

very few other OS's seem to have Mandatory security like selinux

but… i don't think it's an f7 issue per se

Fedora has much more than just Mandatory Access Control… u can search around the wiki to learn more

Xaero_Vincent, I agree, yum is much better and selinux is less problematic, just touch /.autorelabel and reboot to put it working after a full upgrade

might have a look at the F8 test1 though:P

The strict policy is for either the very brave or the very foolish.

its pretty hardcore … im sure even the military wouldnt use it..

azlev, yeah.. though, otherwise u only need to relabel after a mode change: like "off" to "enforcing"

I disable it on my FC2 because I couldn't use Postgresql.

does anyone here use the x64 version also.. wondered how compatibility/performance benefit is..

FC2, the best of 2004…

FC2 only had the strict policy. The targeted policy was introduced in FC3.

yeah, I tried enforcing mode and almost none of the services would load and neither would X.. I had to edit the /etc/selinux/config file to change back to targeted

Enforced and targeted are independent.

oops.. i meant strict mode..
policy, w/e

I want to make my own jr45 network cable but i not sure what the name of it is?

As I said, the strict policy isn't for everyone. Even sysadmining changes.
RJ-45

Bt i don't want the rj45 plugs on the cable.

Cat 5 or Cat 6?

cat 5 fr my adsl internet shareing

you can just buy cable without plugs
in rolls
then u can read "HowTos" on how to connect them… you have to follow a color wire scheme

is it still worth building your own kernel these days ?

i try to find that on compusa

Not so much, except for special purposes.

if you use Slackware maybe

?

yellowled2k, Some people, like me, needs some special configuration, like ndiswrapper driver needs a 8K stack

hmm, didnt think so.. how would building your own kernel fit it with updates too

why would anyone desire to crimp their own cable?

yellowled2k, and F7 comes with 4K stack

1) They can't get the specific type of cable. 2) They're a cheap SoB.

they value money more than their time

you mean put the plugs on yourself?

maybe he enjoys learning how to?

who cares why… its probably cheaper if he needs to make many CAT cables

true..

Anyway, you can try Fedora 8 Test 1 but I dont think its really different from Fedora 7, other than it not being stable
to early to really get a feel I think

so is anyone using x64 here.. might get that version of f8 when its out.. unless flash etc doesnt work still

too*

It won't.
But gnash might.

does Fedora have multilibs
for x64?

hmm, will stick with i386

so u can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit OS
i know some distros do

yes

I need some help to build a kernel. My kernel goes wrong in this line: mkrootdev -t ext3 -o defaults,ro /dev/hda6 (inside initrd)

otherwise you have to create an alternate root environment and populate it with 32 bit apps… kind of time consuming

hmm ok, im out, cya all later

oh ok

anyone awake that can help me with a fedora / ATI radeon problem please ?
need some help getting direct rendering working .

Are you using radeon or fglrx?

Vo0do0, ATI and f7 no way for me.

im using a radeon x1950pro and am currently reinstalling F7 "again"

#ati

it just defaults to mesa drivers each time ..

You need to install fglrx from livna.

when i install the ATI *nix drivers they install fine . . .
but theres still no direct rendering .

Then definitely #ati .

ok so now im loggin into F7 where are whats the easiest wat to get the ATI livna stuff sorted out ?

Go to Fedora Solved.

website ?

http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/ati-yum-livna/

thankyou

who was it telling me I could edit /etc/proc to turn the little wifi card led on?
I was so excited to have an internal wifi card that worked I just passed on that info

f_newton, /etc/proc/ i guess is suspicious /proc/ maybe

No" and is still using the mesa GLX"
any one able to help me at all to get this working .
?

#ati

)

have you installed the xorg fglrx, kmod, AND livna config display?
…..

its a fresh install from about 10 mins ag o.

thats not what was asked
did you get all three files. kmod, livna config, and xorg fglrx
there are three rpms, if you have them, then changeover to root using su - or sudo su -

just for grins have you restarted x?

cd /etc/X11
mv xorg.conf xorg.back

Just for grins, have you rebooted?

then run livna-config-display

yes rebooted

it will generate a new xorg.conf from scratch
after that, reboot, come back, and we will go from there on the final tweaks
uafter that, reboot, come back, and we will go from there on the final tweaks/u

k

wireless issues… *sigh*

you having wireless issues azlev ?

i dont know if i have the 3 files required . where do i find/dload them from ?

Vo0do0, sudo su - || su -
uname -a;rpm -qa | grep fglrx; rpm -qa | grep livna-config

daemoen, Yes, I need to recompile my kernel for ndiswrapper

azlev, which wireless series?

Ugh. rpm -qa \*fglrx\* livna-config\*

I need a 8K stack for ACX111
Non-VGA unclassified device: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface

ivazquez, that rpm query wont work either :p
as its multiple lines

Works fine for me.

ok ive done that i think

did you get 3 results?

nope
im gathering they need to be do/loaded

Vo0do0, did you follow the instructions on fedora-solved in the first place?

yes
and it said it had worked

then your rpm query would have returned three results

then i wentback to the website and did the How to test
when i re run the the install from the website it now says "nothing to do"
so i assume i have d/loaded and installed what is required

…..

http://www.rafb.net/paste

install from website???
wth….

The install instructions.

yes the install instructions .
fromt eh fedorasolved website

ok, thought you were trying to say you used an auto installer, lol
was bout to say youre smoking crack

if i repeat the su -c yum install xorg .. .. ..from the site it says "nothing to do"
so i think ive done it correctly ..

theres more than just the xorg.
you should have 3 total rpms installed

yer theres xorg kmod and glx-utils
correct ?

…. not glx-utils
thats deprecated
should be xorg, kmod, livna-config-display

hmm then the one ive followed on fedorasolved isnt the right one then .

Vo0do0, one second

i typed su -c 'yum install xorg-x11-drv-fglrx kmod-fglrx glx-utils'

hi

and that was wrong.

)

yeah, for fedora 5
glx-utils isnt maintained

whats the command line i need to use then /

i have a question

?

su -c 'yum install xorg-x11-drv-fglrx kmod-fglrx livna-config-display'

k one sec

Does anyone know if there's a place where I can get Dell D830 drivers for Fedora or just Linux in general? I know it's not supported by Dell, but I was hoping someone had some information somewhere?

ahh, they re-added glx-utils
ok, you should be ok
yet your rpm query did not return ?

)

give me a few minutes and ill 1 v 1 with you to get it working

ok thanks

it might be a bit, im walking a friend through installing f7 atm, lol

hehe

i converted a newb to f7 =D

thats ok . .

which of the following versions of fedora is the newest

)

ok, here we go
JamesMichael, 7 is the latest stable release
7.9 is actually fedora 8 test
Vo0do0, which did it say it was installing?

but i have like 4 versions in my boot loader

its installed updates primary.sqlite.bz2 and fedora

JamesMichael, the "versions" in your bootloader are kernel images

(2.6.21-1.3194.fc7) (2.6.20-2925.9.fc7xen) (2.6.22.1-41.fc7) (2.6.20-2925.13.fc7xen)

Vo0do0, those are package lists.

which one is the best to use?

JamesMichael, remove all but the 2.6.22 series unless you are having problems with that, then revert to the 21
JamesMichael, rpm -qa | grep kernel (at the cli)

Do you want to use Xen?

ooh good catch ivazquez i didnt notice the xen

i dont know what xen is

all i saw was loading "installonlyn" plugin

virtualization

setting up install process
parsing package install arguments
3 things go to 100%

hmm

Vo0do0, we all know that procedure, you can wait

then nothing to do
)

…. 3 things and nothing to do?
what?

ok so im gunna keep the xen newest version and the regular newest

)

but I still dont know what xen is
I also want to know how to edit my boot loader here is what happened

Xen is virtualization technology. Check wikipedia, Google, etc. for more info.

I think i have to edit my mbr

JamesMichael, you dont have to edit the mbr.

I install xp then fedora then gnewsense
I am using the gnewsense boot loader
but I want to use the fedora boot loader

Fedora's kernel packages assume that you're using its bootloader.

Why is it people have to install so many things, lol
Vo0do0, i sent you a query.
you should see my message, lets take it off main chat so we dont get spammy

because I am trying out linux systems
I like gnewsense
but I want to try fedora

JamesMichael, so try out livecds?

they don't offer enough for me

Hi I have a Celeron 1.2GHz, 256 MB SD-Ram, 20GB system. Which linux distro will be best for the system

trying out doesnt mean use 3 at once. youre not going to get a real feel for anything installing three distros and swapping through them

why not

#linux, and any i suppose

to get a basic feel youll know within a few hours, but still going through alot of heartache doing it that way

Learn/live/breathe one at a time. Less pain that way.

you stop breathing when you learn?

Or if you must, use something like VMware.

ok

any one will do, 20gb is more than enough for linux

each different distro has different update procedures, different package types, different package management systems

well at least its not on all one hdd
I know
anyways
how to i edit the mbr to load up the fedora boot loader and not the gnewsense one

ill bb in a bit

Does gnewsense use grub?

yes

JamesMichael, " su -c 'gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst' "

(and am I the only one that thinks g-nuisance when I see it?)

thats editing the boot loader isn't it?

You might want to try #grub then.

how do i change the resolution of the desktop to be like 720p instead of the default 480i?

system-config-display to set maximum resolution (or edit Xorg.conf) then gnome-display-properties to change it from there
sounds like your using a TV though

yeah
i actually have fedora installed on my ps3

oh
http://ps3wiki.qj.net/index.php/PS3_Video_Mode
you need a seperate utility
I have a PS3 too but its my dad's and he wont let me put Linux on it

what do u mean?

josh4bball, it looks like the PS3 video controller has a non-standard way of changing video modes
read the wiki article

Sounds like work.

ah well.. the PS3 is far more open than any console in history… not including hacking the system

Nah, the GCN is more open. They just don't give you the specs for it.

what is GCN?

Nintendo Gamecube

how was that open?

You can get to the video chip

well the PS3 has HDCP DRM crap… Sony probably had no choice but to lock the GPU

Don't kid yourself, Sony only "opened" the PS3 to Linux because they figured more would sell that way. They have no "real" interest in making it fully capable.
"It runs Linux!? COOL!" *tinkertinkertinker* "Wait a minute… WTF?!"

ivazquez, yes… in general because they lose so much per system sold.
But the PS2 was kinda open too
i think
there was Linux for that

There's Linux for the GCN too.

4 ps3

Daemoen-away: you there ?

yes
i answered you already

sorry said you were able to help me 1v1
just been waitin wasnt sure how long you would be .

lol
i responded in pvt again
head back to the query

nothing there ..

are you not getting any responses?
wierd

did you get anythign from me ?
just then ?

yes
im getting everything you say

xaero i dont understand though how do i know which value im suppose to put in the kboot.conf to set the resolution of 720p as the default

you seem to be having difficulty seeing my response
screw it. do you have messenger (aim,icq,yahoo,msn)

hmm i got one thing from you "are you new to linux"

see if i can see it

yes i can see you in here
i am replying

stupid frigging bs
that was my fault. i forgot they changed the damn query restrictions

anyone here know anything about installing fc7 on MS Virtual PC 2007
I followed some instructions on changing The depth of the color to 16
but it still will not display correctly

DrJ_ you might try VMware instead

I'm staying with this one
I just need to know why it seems to not be working for me

DrJ_, by the way it is now f7 not fc7 (dropped the "core" from the name)

everyone else who responded said it worked
http://davidbrunelle.com/2006/09/23/installing-fedora-core-on-microsoft-virtual-pc-2004/
that's where I got the instructions

what is it doing? not booting up X?

the display is all messed up

that bites
what you could try is setting a specific screen resolution

hello, i am having trouble installing my mplayerplug-in. i am running fedora core 7
i configured it correctly, but after that i get stuck

eh
got disconnected

what you could try is setting a specific screen resolution
in xorg.conf

any idea?

Fanactism, do you have the livna repository installed?
best i can tell ya

yes i belive so byro

one sec Byro, found another help site
seeing if this works first

"Unable to turn colling device on (hex address)"

Linux_Junkie, colling or cooling?

Cooling sorry darn keyboard

Linux_Junkie, don't know, but google is giving a lot of hits
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=t6j&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22Unable+to+turn+cooling+device+on%22&spell=1

hey guys, anyone ever seen sudo not install visudo?

what leads you to believe it isn't installed?

command not found when logged in as root using su -

rpm -qa | grep sudo

its installed opsec
ive already done that

ok, guess you don't want help
enjoy.

its not a matter of not wanting help, i asked a simple question
if you want to put your head up your ass, be my guest

"nothing to do?" A: When yum reports "nothing to do" what it's really saying is that the "package may already be installed" (or it doesn't exist), so there's nothing for it to do. (ask directly: rpm -q package).
"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not
executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.
u"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not
executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly./u

?

hi folks, can we raid5 unequal disk size?

i am well aware of that too :p, i was just about to check the path itself, but why wouldnt the root path be set when using su - (which does propagate the proper root path)

(sorry. thought i fixed the backlogged triggers)

lol
how you doing tonight zcat ?

played BF2 for a couple hours. funfun.

BF2?

2yr old fps game. nothing better out yet.
Crysis and Spore look good though.

she missed the -. so her path wasnt properly set, lol

defaultro, no. smallest size will be used.

gotcha
I can't believe the prices of harddisk. They're cheaper now

opsec, i do not mean to get fussy toward you, but too many of the people in here place themselves on a pedestal. there are only a few people in this room that possess enough knowledge to get arrogant with the users and assume the users dont know as much as they themselves know

I can't believe this is just $119, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148136

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=16&FilterCategories=432&Thumbnails=yes

you have/had an error .. i tried querying you for information so that i might determine what was wrong
you refused

defaultro, they were $99 a couple days ago

i have nothing more to say

oh

]

is anyone using irssi?

anyone left for the night.

yes.

how do i search for channels?

ask ChanServ

/cs list
/msg ChanServ HELP LIST

thanx

I got disconnected

is there any way to get thunderbird to ask for a password?

for what?
to open it?

yes
i dont want people reading my mail just by opening the program

then make them their own account on the system
all the mail is stored in ~/.thunderbird

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148136

if they don't have access to your home folder they shouldn't be able to read your mail .. unless they are root

actually this is windows, but whatever.

well .. then i wouldn't know

windows does support multiple user accounts as well

since i haven;'t even seen it booted for about 8 years

and thunderbird also supports multiple profiles

just about to say that

you can setup multiple profiles and protect each one with a password if you really want to
but learn how to administer a computer properly first… setup seperate user accounts so that permissions are handled as they should be
if the user really wants to, unless you have a password, AND are keeping your files private, they can simply browse to %homedrive%%homepath% and browse the thunderbird folder and open Inbox in notepad and read it

No, NTFS can block that.

ivazquez, not without making the folder private
if it is not private the permissions are left open and vulnerable

oh no, I noticed that SATA drives doesn't have the power interface that I'm familiar with(4 pins)
This is what I saw, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=22-148-136-01.jpg%2c22-148-136-02.jpg&CurImage=22-148-136-02.jpg&Depa=0&Description=Seagate+Barracuda+7200.10+(Perpendicular+Recording)+ST3500630AS+500GB+7200+RPM+16MB+Cache+SATA+3.0Gb%2fs+Hard+Drive+-+OEM

Maybe in XP and Vista. ISTR NT4 and W2k making them private by default.

how will I be able to power that SATA drive then?

yeah, XP doesnt treat them as private

SATA power adapter.

i dont remember with vista
id have to boot up my toy machine, but XP treats homepath as public until set as private (under both home and pro)

uh, XP has sensible ACLs by default
OWNER and Administrators have Full Control and there's nothing else

DrNick, yes, but accessing another users Document and Settings is still possible administrator to administrator

well, yes. they're Administrators. what did you expect?

and *most* home users take the easy way out and set all accounts to "administrator"
instead of learning how to handle and manage local user and group policies (which under home is a pita anyway)

ivazquez, I found a pic and it helped me a lot. http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=SATA_power
thanks

but, thats well beyond the scope of this channel for now

isn't this #fedora .. ?

lol, none of the ops said to take it to another channel so we didnt go quite too far

Ok, one last time, Whats the yum package I need for tcl to compile a eggdrop

an egg

uh, eggdrop is a script. it requires no compilation
hmm, no, apparently it has C plugins

to compile, it needs tcl

why are you compiling it?
is there something wrong with the existing package?

i dono its just the way i always installed it
same question every time
but ill get what i need

you probably need tcl-devel at a minimum
you should just use the prebuilt package

where is the conf file
on the prebuilt
thats why i never used it

don't you have to point it at one?

so i should be able to just do ./eggdrop my.conf.file
?

yes

ok, i got to do some work real quick, but will try in a min
where do i set my dns

in case i'm just missing something simple…what are the steps to enabling userdir on apache?

search for UserDir in httpd.conf
it's pretty self explanatory
and check that there's a LoadModule for userdir

Where do I put my DNS servers ip at? what file

generally you just run system-config-network

ya i did.
I need to put a dns to

hey all
how can i set numlock to be on by default in KDE with F7?

you don't need it
numlock is not a key that works in a graphical environment
if you *must* have it on .. for the sake of it just being on …. yum install numlockx

etc/resolv.conf

what do u mean its doesnt work in a graphical environment?
i can use numlock in KDE
but i have to set it everytime which is annoying
why do u say we cant use it in a graphhical env?

sorry, i was thinking of scroll lock

oh

the scoll lock key is the dead key

why is numlock not on y default?
by*

no idea, i never use it

what about the SysRq key? is that used?

yeah…what is scroll lock…15 years on a computer and i still dont know what the heck it does

is there a cfg file or something that i can change?
to set num==ture?
true*

yum install numlockx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_lock

hay guys

que onda renich

Renich, hey

can anybody help me with a command to overwrite my configuration files with the rpmnew ones? I have a thousand!
que onda, opsec!

umm

hola pembo13_com! hehe

Renich, first step would be find
Renich, hey

yeah, I know… but not all files are .fonc

i see

s/fonc/conf/

any patter?

whats up, amigo?

pattern*

not when updating tetex

hmm

the thing would be to use {}-strlen(rpmnew}

Renich, not sure what to suggest, it heps if there is some similiarity between the filenames

eating .. papas con habaneros

find / -iname '*rpmnew' -exec mv \{} \{} - 6 chars \:
lol! Are you really able to do that? Man! You're a real macho!

why isnt numlock stored in a cfg file?

hey guys, what is the closest program to amarok for gnome?

i would imagine it would be in a cfg file like everything else in linux

rythmbox?
is there a substr function in bash?

why?

opsec, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null
neilthereildeil, you can turn it on with kcontrol
neilthereildeil, take your best guess as to the category it'd be under.

habaneros are super-dooper hot! You don't know what hot means until you try an habanero
they could literally knock you out

i love them.. eat them everyday

must be chinese habaneros… they're sweet
haha

habanero doritos are my new fav

good luck finding a food that's too hot for me

habanero doritos are one thing… try eating a single habanero chilli and tell us where the funeral will be
you might as well eat fire!

in thailand .. they got mad at me for wanting it too hot..

lol

i had 5 star thai food once. never again.

in central american the habaneros aren't very hot

never been there; not an expert on thai chilli

under peripherals-keyboard, i srt numlock to always on on kde startup, but it doesnt do that

in india .. they just laugh and shake their heads

huh? then you have had latin american habaneros? whoa

neilthereildeil, does for me.

hmm

last summer
i was in all of central america for 4 months

did you get to meet hugo chavez?
hehehe

hrm
http://flickr.com/photos/dontodd/176983936/ if its called listen1, where can i get it?

neilthereildeil, when numlock is on it acts like a numeric keypad instead of arrowkeys, etc. just so we're clear on the diff.

hugo chavez lives in venezuala
that is at the top of south america
not central america

it's called rythmbox
oh, no … it's not

rhythmbox is nowhere near as nice as amarok :p

http://www.listen-project.org/

hrm, wonder why i couldnt find that on google, lol
ty Renich

if you wanna isntall… just su -c 'yum install listen'

ahh, its got an rpm, nice
ty Renich

hi all. has anyone ever tried migrating from fedora to centos? are there any things i should know?

looks like that will be the next competitor. Rhythmbox is ok, but has alot of work too

i mean for a server

sorry… they say it's exactly the same as RHEL… never used it though

it is possible to do. First off youre asking in the wrong channel.
Second, the forums on CentOS have several howtos for doing just that
also…. are you using F7 or F6?

you are both right. sorry for being offtopic

and Cent4 of Cent5?

f7

ok, so youd have to jump to C5 then

yes

not sure if anyones done that one yet, ask in #centos

thanks folks

hi

hello, I have an issue, I've used ndiswrapper to install my wireless card on Fedora 7 and it recognized it, now I see it running when I ifconfig
but I can't connect to internet,
not even ping the access point

ok, I'm on track
${string%.rpmnew*}
how do I do that using find ;=s
can anybody help me with this?: find . -iname '*.rpmnew' -exec mv \{\} ${\{\}%.rpmnew*} \:

Renich, i take it youre a gnomer?

yep
you are an outsider

know of a really good burning software for gnome thats comparable to k3b? gnomebaker is the closest i could find and is still lacking…

yes, balsero

balsero better than baker?

I mean, brasero
it's SP
validated by tthe SPO

Don't want to install kde libraries?

Edgan, im teaching a friend that is not computer savvy linux… id rather keep it as simple as possible since i have to tell her all the commands one by one
and id rather not have to explain "oh, we are now installing libs for this" "whats that?"
for now, im keeping it short, simple and sweet
lol

go to ubuntu
its SP also…

it support burning audio cds in .cda format?
ubuntu drives me friggen nuts!

Linux for Human Beings… with Disabilities

every single person ive had tried ubuntu reformatted back to windows in a single day
shes learning fedora at least

I like fedora

I like it too… but it's not for Human Beings with Disabilities

I have disabilities

man, nobody likes LFS… it's just a learning project…

Renich, I love LFS :p
only reason im not running it on this machine is time taken to maintain

you mean like… using it?

properly planned out, you get a HELLUVA lot better of performance out of an LFS build
the only other distro that can compare in the end is Gentoo

find . -iname '*.rpmnew' | while read f; do echo mv $f ${f%.rpmnew}; done

yeah, thanks

My | key dosent work

the horror

man, time to go back to M$

It does

then how did you type that pipe?

bad keymap then

copy paste

I if I have a folder with files in it and I mount a filesystem under that folder all the files dissappear

can I fix that?

now if I unmount, do the original files return (they aren't deleted)??

alex[slx]: thats how mount works

awesome

yes, identify your keyboard's map and configure it

I want to mess around with NFS for /home/

ok

hey! it worked! thanks!

And another one bites the dust, and another one bites the dust. and another one gone and another one gone another one bites the dust
uAnd another one bites the dust, and another one bites the dust. and another one gone and another one gone another one bites the dust/u

http://www.woralelandia.com/blog/2007/08/12/rpmnew-substitution/

Renich, they don't show up that often.
i've been ticked off by rsnapshot doing it though

ever upgraded tetex???

how can i change the splash image when booting?

el_dan, which one? the grub one or the 'loading' screen?

mmm loading screen
both !!!! P

Renich, ok, another gnomer question for ya. video player recommendation?
comparible to the features and usability of kaffeine

moitoius is there an application or just copy an image somewhere?

Totem with illegal plugins

grub boot screen must be 14 color, 640×480 and in xpm.gz format

totem ? xine ?

s/illegal/grayzone/
xine is my favorite

el_dan, as far as the grub one goes, you will find it in /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
el_dan, but you will need to log in as root to change that file

ahh, forgot that xine is non-desktop dependent (well.. neither are kaffeine and totem if we want to get technical)
xine works

yeah

el_dan, i really have no idea about the loading screen, but i will scratch around

thanks

you get so used to using your own preferred apps you forget about all the others out there
and Morning/Evening/Afternoon to ya Anvil

anybody here is a Mugshot user?

el_dan, you can help by scratching around in /etc/init.d/, but don't change anything.

ok

I did a yum update from FC5 to FC6 and then from FC6 to FC7. All is well, except udev freezes on startup when I boot with the latest FC7 kernel. I've gone back to an FC6 kernel for now — everything else works fine. udev appears to freeze in udevsettle. Any ideas what might be the cause?

Hi

hi

moitoiius usplash makes that for you but is for ubuntu
moitoius

How do I set the pass key for my laptop.. I searched for bluetooth devices from a blackberry and it found my laptop and asks for a passkey

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq?highlight=%28yum%29%7C%28upgrade%29

anyone has any idea ?

kdeuser^: I had one once… lost it…

heh..

el_dan, yeah, erm, i'll just keep scratching around in the init scripts

kdeuser^: and… what's a laptap?

sorry laptop

where on the FAQ should I be looking? did i miss something on the FAQ? I already made sure my volumes were labeled

and the udev thingy?

i think that may be it
i found the line in rc.sysinit, line 333, i'll keep looking
rhgb is your friend

as far as I can tell, there is no explicit mention of udev anywhere on the FAQ page you pointed me to.

hey, wait a second! there was this command!… I remember!

./configure command always fails many times ending with: configure:3501: checking how to run the C preprocessor

el_dan, you are going to have to look for the sources for rhgb
el_dan, i don't have them

Hmm, the howto says I should run "quotacheck -avug" weekly to refresh the quota database. However, when I do, it says Quota is active, and refuses to run??

ammm

el_dan, I will have a look for them