for desktops, generally yes. /msg dpkg testing (and you might want lenny in sources.list to prevent contention when lenny goes stable)

ok

if im sharing a drive over NFS does it matter what the filesystem is? ie. if it was ext3 would i still be able to read that disk via NFS on MAC OS X?

Supaplex, aham ok

The underlying filesystem doesn't matter, except for the features it supports

aye ok

do you guys have any ideas about vcd vs dvd to be recognized by the system?

i think ext3 is better than fat32

if you use a filesystem without extended attributes, for example, you won't have extended attributes over nfs
far far better

aye excellent

FAT32 was obsolete when it was invented

im using xfs for mythtvs large video files
heheehehe

lol

i read somewhere that xfs is ideal for large files

oh, and apt-listbugs to

check wikipedia FS comparison… I think it has good info

it uses extents, which help to keep large files from becoming fragmented

Supaplex, ??

!apt-listbugs

bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see pinning). Older releases only allowed holding (see hold).

does anyone has a core duo cpu whose temp is usually around 80?

ext4 (still in development) uses extents, too, I think

interesting

how would I be able to configure my eggdrop then? I can't seem to find the config file for it when I install it via apt-get

core 2? or the old core?

Supaplex, good!

Biff, core duo 1, notebook t2400 1.83

The original core duos were hot

ah, ok

get in the habbit of checking bts before asking for help on testing. if at some time you confirm/conclude it is a real bug, use reportbug

i thought core architecture had always been pretty cool

Supaplex, I'm installing apt-listbugs now

yea I thought same too, until lately I started monitoring it all the time
right now I'm not doing anything special, just my usual stuff and it's 85c
when not doing anything around 60

would a TOS (Type of Service) traffic optimizer mean that it optimizes based on destination port ???

actually I'm gonna go turn everything off to see how low it goes

this is interesting, the filesystem on sda1 is xfs, and the filesystem on sda2 is ext3:
/dev/sda1 200G 558k 200G 1% /mnt/mythtv_video

it'd be cooler if I had one for free. my p4 idles around 55C 70C is critical. check the part number on intel's site for suggested limits.

/dev/sda2 197G 197M 187G 1% /mnt/audiostore
ext3 eats up more space for some reason

one difference is that vcds do not work by simply mounting them and playing the files as usual, they must be playd with mplayer vcd://1 etc

man tune2fs, look for the word "reserved"
or are you talking about 200 vs 197 ?

Supaplex, when ripping dvd or compiling kernel it goes up to 100C, which is normal, but ordinary things I do, and 80 that's not good

yikes. I peak around 67C while playing flash movies (large screen area)

\amethyst: it says 200G available for XFS and 187G available for ext3

that's because ext3 has a certain percentage of the filesystem reserved for root

aye ok

anybody use bugzilla with sid?

Supaplex, I'm just gonna contact intel on this one, got any clue on contact address regarding this issue?

man tune2fs to see how to change that

AbsintheSyringe www.intel.com

Supaplex, you … *evil-stare

hehe

is /join #fluxbox

generally is it safe to compile new stuff and install it in sarge? i want subversion 1.4 for example while there's only 1.1 in repos i think
but 1.4 depends of libapr = 0.9.7 while sarge has 0.9.6…

So, I want to encrypt a hard disk. Someone pointed me to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469, which talks about Luks. Is Luks the best/recommended way of acheiving this goal?

i use luks and quite like to for full disk encryption.

Any complaints about it?

first of all, why are you using sarge? it's oldstable

simonrvn, it's not my choice I have to install few services on a dedicated server..
and they have sarge there

then tell them to upgrade; and yeh it is, but you'll have to do it again when you have it updated (maybe not, depending)

simonrvn, you mean it's safe in general ?

any one tell me which package contains the default fonts installed with etch - im after the 'face "clean" (mono pixel type thing)

anyone here use vpnc and know how to retrieve dns info after connection?

if you need something like a backport from sid or lenny, i think you can still get some from backports.org . if not then you'll be stuck building it yourself

are matrox video cards supported well under linux?

some of them are

i hope you're debianising this stuff you're building, or using the source packages?

yes, the drivers are open source

yes. no - it "just works" here

simonrvn, yes I'm building subversion right now, but I wonder if it's safe to run manually compiled stuff there

jelly-home: are you using kvpnc or the command line?

well if it's built on the machine it's destined for, surely, and any similar machines

command line. I have resolvconf installed, vpnc updates /etc/resolv.conf.

how about a matrox g450 mms?

simonrvn, thanks

np

jelly-home: hmm, maybe i just need to "apt-get install resolvconf" then

it'll probably mess up your statically configured current /etc/resolv.conf
however, it works well with ppp, vpnc and various dhcp clients

it will for sure

jelly-home: The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-ppp

don't tell me you're using both k* stuff and gnome-* stuff

resolvconf conflicts with gnome-ppp because no-one has updated it to work with resolvconf
see bug 258064

and resolvconf has been here for quite a while
…. frankly I'm surprised it's not used by default in etch

Please suggest resolvconf: WONTFIX.

if you have iface … inet static entries in /etc/network/interfaces, you can make them work with resolvconf by adding two lines like this: dns-search zg.iskon.hr iskon.hr ; dns-nameservers 10.0.0.4

(that's for ppp itself… if ever there was a package that should use resolvconf)

[…] huh, that one is still open? And for a measly Suggests.

!initrd

initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or …And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg –initrd

Yep. Not Invented Here, it would seem. Some people like munging /etc/resolv.conf by dodgy scripts…

yeah, but making them all use the same dodgy script sounds rather rational

making them use no scripts at all is more rational.

well, it's just that having proper dns resolution is kind of important. At least on the internets.

whats that synapsis apt-get gui thing called?

yes. that's why resolvconf and friends need to die.

synaptic.. or something

that's the one

what's the better alternative?

syn…

vi

synaptic

vim

hmm… showing it with f12 is simple
doh

synaptic is the mouse driver?

welcome to the 20th century, huh?

if the 20th century is the one without needless added complexity, then i'm there.

I agree, but vi does not make vpnc, ppp and dhcp update my dns resolver setup correctly without manual intervention

does every new kernel you make, then add to menu.lst, require an initrd statement?

in the three or four cases where a script like resolvconf actually makes sense (ie/ a machine that does ppp and connects to more than one network that needs a name server), the users can roll their own resolvconf replacement tailored specifically to their own needs.

it's a stupid work, I don't want to do it manually.

jelly-home: right. but resolvconf breaks your resolv.conf with or without manual intervention.

hardly

works-for-me!

you write a three-line shell script that does it for you. this takes fifteen seconds and you're done.
jelly-home: but it doesn't work-by-default.

sure it does

it does.

then why was my resolver configuration broken as soon as i installed some package that depended on resolvconf?
write the three-line shell script yourself. and welcome to the world of unix, where worse is better.

probably because you aren't configuring resolvconf correclty.

therefore it doesn't work by default.

the fact that it's broken still doesn't say there's no need for it, or that there's anything better

my resolv.conf was perfectly fine before that package showed up and fucked everything over.

it actually does if you're using a method that it understands, like dhcp, php, et al.
s/php/ppp/
and by default it should be using your existing resolv.conf as the header for the resolv.conf that it creates.

i'm using dhcp. the problem is that my roommate's cable modem lies about whether it can resolve hosts.

so fix your dhclient.conf

well, it didn't

so fix your hardware.

why bother? it worked before, and installing resolvconf broke it.

ok I've got one for ya. I've got a freshly installed SLES10 box that for the most part is working fine, but when I ping either of a couple debian servers I have, I get something like 75-80% packet loss. The loss occurs pretty rhythmically, in bursts of no response after bursts of 10-20 replies

the easy solution is to remove resolvconf.
jelly-home: not my hardware.
jelly-home: complain to rogers if this is a big problem for you.

then remove it; but whatever you do, stop complaining here about it.

you're the user — your hardware.

sniffing on the deb servers shows the echo requests the _entire_ time, just for the outage bursts, there are no replies sent

jelly-home: rogers owns it. thus it's not my hardware.
perhaps you are not aware of the origin of this discussion. i'm questioning the value of packages that randomly reconfigure one's system, not complaining about my own personal experience with resolvconf.

in this particular case, it's a perfectly reasonable default for the package to configure resolv.conf correctly.

no iptables rules and no other systems show this problem. If I wasn't seeing the pings on the destination machine the entire time, I'd say it was the SLES box, but it seems like the deb boxes just decide to not answer like 75% of the time

kagu ogg!

having packages stomp on user configuration files is never reasonable. i believe there's a debian policy regarding this.

the origin was discussing vpnc, which works well with resolvconf, with the caveats that I mentioned to the user above.

does XFCE not come with / work with synaptic

this ring a bell with anyone?

resolv.conf isn't a user configuration file when you're using dhcp, though.

filed a RC bug?

if i touch it, it's mine.

I touch /etc/mtab, but it still isn't mine.

jelly-home: "RC"? filing bugs on debian systems is a tremendous waste of time.

unfortunately /etc/resolv.conf isn't a conffile, so the user-change-tracking isn't there

so use something else

jelly-home: that's different. /etc/mtab has a documented purpose that has quite a bit to do with the 'mount' command.

and moreover, it even asks you about it in debconf

can you set up "virtual" users (i.e. users with no local account) in exim4?

yees.

interesting. i don't recall the occasion. was this true two years ago (or whenever resolvconf made its way into debian?)

yes.

/etc/aloases.

hey, you don't want to file bugs, you don't get fixes. That's fine by me.

resolvconf is specifically for automatically configuring resolv.conf, so it's not outrageous for it to overwrite the file

the question is resolvconf/linkify-resolvconf; as it's been for quite some time

to be fair, the long description does say " This package may require some manual configuration. Please read the README file for detailed instructions."

jelly-home: i occasionally do file bugs when something is really, really broken. but reportbug usually barfs when i try that.

have you filed a bug on reportbug?

it's not like you even need to use reportbug to file bugs

Anyone able to think of a word for 'getting rid of old kit and replace it with new kit'? It's not 'deprecation'…

what, replacing?

\amethyst: i think it's outrageous that someone made a debian package for overwriting people's resolv.conf files with garbage. and that someone else thought it was such a good idea that they made their code depend upon it.

using a mail client is so passe!

does every new kernel you make, then add to menu.lst, require an initrd statement?

it's not outrageous at all. If you think for a few minutes about the usage cases, it'll begin to make sense.

jelly-home: couldn't be bothered. i really do have better things to do that play with daft developers.

if it's using an initrd
if you're not going to file bugs, then why complain here?

the default kernel is, but i made another kernel (xen), so want to know does it need one too?

/etc/resolv.conf" that you execute after running dhcp or something.

depends

see above about the word "complain."

you must only run dhcp on a single network then

correct. i've met few people who use dhcp on multiple networks regularly.
you're pretty far away from the norm, then

pretty much anyone who uses a laptop does, actually.
and resolvconf is pretty good at dealing with that too

do you actually use a nameserver other than 4.2.2.2?

I only need a canonical way to figure out which network the machine is connected to… there's like 10 packages to deal with that.

sure

jelly-home: the /etc/network/interfaces file can have 'up' lines that can touch a file somewhere that says which network you're connected to.

i ahd ftp blocked

no, I wan't the machine to figure it out itself.
s/'//

jelly-home: ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr"?

hi there

no, I want it to look op network traffic, and configure the interface appropriately.

'look up network traffic'?

lol

is someone can help me to build my nvidia module ? I try "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" & have the following : http://rafb.net/p/Gve9LZ78.html

jelly-home: sounds like you want to write something

far easier to just say nameserver foo; instead

'look op network traffic' rather?

jelly-home: and what of these 10 packages is your choice?

hm, look at it

but that's not he wants. "nameserver 4.2.2.2" is shorter by at least one character.

the 3-4 I looked at sucked

jelly-home: define "sucked"

how do I set my domain?

so?

if I had a choice I'd use it. Instead, I have symlinks for different interfaces files

so it doesn't do what he wants

took more time to configure and work than resolvconf

I'm running lenny 2.6.21-2-686

what he's talking about is being able to run ifup fooiface; or similar and have the network come up automatically.

my major complaint about resolvconf is that it solves a trivial problem and it does it badly. nobody should distribute code that solves trivial problems badly. and certainly nobody should make a debian package out of it.

you seem to be oeprating under the misimpression that it's a trivial problem.

IME it's not trivial

your particular instance may be, but you're probably only running with a single interface in a static configuration.

resolvconf doesn't stomp your configuration. It copies it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original

it *is* a trivial problem. at worst you have an 'up' line in your /etc/network/interfaces.
and then it stomps on /etc/resolv.conf, which is the only file that matters.

a real solution has to integrate with /etc/network/interfaces, the dhcp client scripts, ppp, openvpn, libc, et al.
all it does is make it a symlink to a copy of the original file.
or not, if you've told it not to.
(and unless an interface defines a nameserver, it won't muck with it, either)

i disagree. resolvconf stomps on a single file when you type 'ifup foo' and again when you type 'ifdown foo.' this is a trivial problem solved by the 'up' and 'down' lines.

in any case, seems pointless to debate the issue that is not going to be solved or advanced by a patch, replacement, or even a bug report

how do you plan to handle interface precedence with up or down lines?
or do you only plan on allowing a single interface?

it requires more user configuration than 'resolvconf', but that is not a bad thing.
i do not plan on allowing only a single interface.

then how do you plan on supporting multiple ones?

however, i have no idea what this interface precedence is that you speak of.

there's a limit to the number of nameservers that you can have. You have different nameservers for different networks, some of which you prefer over others.

i don't see the value in presenting a general solution to this problem.

that's great; you can ignore that resolvconf exists and install an equivs package for it so you never ever see it.

that's actually the first thing i do when i install a new debian machine.

so why complain here then?

yay, i think my debian install is finally finished

does the mere existance of a package which solves a problem in a way which a lot of us find optimal offend you?

anyone know if when vmware tools is installed properly the mouse will transition between the virtual machine and the host without having to press ctrl+alt ??

I regularly work with 7 or 8 different networks and also have to use vpns etc over them. Without resolvconf it was a nightmare. Once I dropped resolvconf in, it just all worked. Makes me happy

because i'm philosophically opposed to people distributing their own broken solutions to trivial problems and claiming there is some overarching generality to them.

no, you're keen to claim that other people's very elegant solutions are broken. I'd claim there's a difference….

it leads to a lot of unnecessary complexity.

again, you seem to be claiming that the problem is trivial. It's not. Furthermore, since you're not actually using resolvconf, and when you were, you weren't using it correctly, your philospohical oposition is rather cute, really.

ixion_uk, as far as i know that capability comes with the install of the vmware tools in the guest os

apologies… i forgot to bookmark the site that tells me how to find out which packet a specific file belongs to… so can anyone tell me the apropriate apt-command?

guest…

what do you suggest for anyone who has a laptop with both a LAN and a WLAN connection, then? "configure it manually" isn't a solution.

the complexity looks necessary for me and my usage of static or dhcp ethernet, ppp, and vpn.

my philosophical opposition is not just to resolvconf.

dpkg -S if it's installed, apt-file search if not, packages.debian.org otherwise.
dlocate will also do it

write a three-line shell script to configure it.

ixion_uk, ?

thanks!

resolvconf is that shell script. I fail to see the problem.

the gues already has vmware workstation installed, I dont see how I could also install vmware tools on it ?

far easy to just install resolvconf and add two nameserver lines to /etc/network/interfaces

i cannot write to my NFS disk over the network, this is my fstab:
/dev/sda2 /mnt/audiostore ext3 users,rw,owner 0 0

guest*

it's another piece of random added complexity.

ixion_uk, the guest has vmware workstation installed ? you trying to make a tunnel of vm's or something ?

s/nameserver/dns-nameserver/

is the disk writable to your nfs user ("nobody" by default)?

wtf? why should everyone write their own three line shell scripts that don't handle corner cases and aren't well supported by all the ppp, vpn, wlan, dhcp etc things out there rather than just use one robust and well tested solution….?

(i hate udev, too. it solves something that isn't a problem by breaking almost everything. and i hate udev far more than resolvconf.)

and a custom script which is different on every machine isn't?

resolvconf is less likely to break something than some random user-written script.

jelly-home: i havent a clue

it's not, no. it's not another hurdle before learning why the hell your system can't resolve www.google.com.

ixion_uk, vmware workstation is usually installed on the host os and is running the guest

it needs to be.

sorry getting mixed up …. so you think when the guest has vmware tools installed the mouse should transition.. I installed vmware mouse driver that I found on synaptic/apt but I cant transition between them without ctrl+alt

Why don't you just have everyone write their own rcS script, and do away with init.d, too? init.d is a *broken* pile of added complexity.
Or I suppose you'd do away with initrd images, too, in favour of everyone compiling in the drivers they need for their rootfs.

ixion_uk, then that is not enough, you need vmware tools installed in the os that is running inside the vmware

if you can't figure out how to fix resolvconf, you should have installed your system using the installer, which (surprise, surprise) configures /etc/network/interfaces so that it works seamlessly with resolvconf

i agree. but it solves a nontrivial problem — how do you boot a linux system in almost all cases?

ok have you succesfully done this with debian ?
as the guest…

ixion_uk, please note, guest=os running inside vmware

my first experience with resolvconf was upgrading a woody system to sarge.

yup

ixion_uk, no, i have only done it with windows 2000 as a guest so far

ProN00b yeah me too

I've *never* seen resolvconf break an existing installation, anyway. It copies your /etc/resolv.conf to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original, and sticks that in the resolv.conf it generates anyway

well, why should there be any difference with debian �
?

that's the only thing i've seen it do

ProN00b dunno, just never got it to work

anyway, i'm quite sick of talking about resolvconf.

ProN00b ill try install vmwaretools from source

it broke stuff for me when I started using it _in unstable, a long time ago _

it's clear that there is a difference of opinion and both sides are sufficiently convinced of their own correctness that no progress can possibly be made by continuing.

tech-ctte!
err, maybe not

jelly-home: same here

\amethyst: er, the guy doesn't even care enough to file a bug
when you mount the nfs filesystem on the client, is it mounted with rw option?

what does the exports entry look like?

I have new laptop in my work, and in place of Ctrl i got fucked up Fn. It's not possible to switch it and now I have problems pressing Ctr-Shift-c / Ctr-Shitf-v as copy & paste in gnome-terminal. Do you know if I can make gnome-terminal use diffrent "magic" key instead of Shift ?

jelly-home: did you try guessnet ? (I haven't; I'm just looking at the package descriptions)

evilgeek, you need to resort to violence then

yes, methinks

I'm considering using usb keyboard, counse this Fn in place of Ctrl is nightmare..

the fn key very often works before the kernel sees the keys

jelly-home: ifplugd

wot?

so likely not, unless maybe there's some way to remap it specific to your laptop

jelly-home, scroll up to what he last said

I used to use guessnet + ifplugd + wired/wpa_supplicant…. replaced the whole lot by networkmanager now.

\amethyst: yeah, it;s hardware key, xev show nothing when i press it.

it's clear that there is a difference of opinion and both sides are sufficiently convinced of their own correctness that no progress can possibly be made by continuing.

jelly-home, yeah

jelly-home: right! network-manager. that's the one! (thanks themill)

can ssh be made to handle disconnections more gracefully than locking up for 10 minutes?

what violence?

it might be something that's theoretically reprogrammable in firmware, but making that work would be one mean feat

jelly-home, violence is the solution to his problem

oh, the GUI stuff?

jelly-home: I think it doesn't require GUI stuff

you can kill the connection with Enter ~ .

is something running in the background?

\amethyst: I can't imagine why IBM puts this Fn in place of Ctrl… It's non ergonomic

\amethyst: of what?

I'm allergic to camel case, and the daemon is called NetworkManager :-

of the session that won't close
a forwarded X connection or anything like that?

jelly-home: you could mount / on a vfat filesystem, then call it "networkmanager"

jelly-home: but the package is called network-manager… go figure

\amethyst: no, nothing was.
the-me: a) wow. b) thanks. c) wtf?

jelly-home: but wh^H^Hif it breaks, I didn't tell you that

I think uppercase is disallowed

jelly-home: it is in package names… but why the hyphen?

once installed from source vmware tools works perfectly

umm ?

ixion_uk, cool

also ~^Z will put ssh in the background

thanks, now I won't be able to sleep tonight.

How can I tell whether or not I use an initramfs?

err, suspend it rather, you can do bg then to put it in the background

jelly-home: ha ha!

somebody explain to me how to use apache2 with this new subdir under /var/www.

delete all files on your computer names *initrd.img*, and see if your machine still boots?

how do we access stuff in /var/www now?

huh. is it just me or does pam-mount not like passwordless accounts?

you edit your httpd.conf to make that an accessible site.

when it's sitting there after logout, type ~# … does it show anything?

Maybe something a bit less… destructive?

hmm. add an alias there?

a2dissite 000-default

alias / "/var/www"

well, kernel packages look in /etc/kernel-img.conf to see what they should run when it's installed

TBH, #414692 fits your experience with it perfectly, so it's not just you

then create a new site in /etc/apache2/sites-available and then a2ensite your-site-name

or you could check your bootloader configuration (/boot/grub/menu.lst or lilo.conf) and see if one's being loaded

maybe I should ask a simpler question.
i used to have bugzilla working.
by default it installed in /var/www
now, it seems to be weirded out so that I can not use it.

OK, I'll have a look at those.

there is a rewrite in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default that you have to remove to get it to work.

cat /proc/cmdline might tell you, too

ok let me try that.

I used to understand alias's in httpd.conf… what I dont understand is this sites-enabled stuff

the "correct" way to do it would be to make a new site and use the a2dissite/a2ensite commands so that the default one remains untouched

nope it did not work.

it's fantastic…. otherwise you have to resync your changes to the apache conf files every time either upstream or the maintainer rearranges the sections in them

the me try the correct way.
fwiw, this server only serves "one site"
i am not doing virtual hosting.

of course, you have to restart apache every time you change the config files

right i did that.

you don't usually have to restart, just reload

then when I went to the main page, it pulled up the mediawiki installed.
even though /var/www/ does not contain an index.html now.
my god, its gotten weird.

\amethyst: true…. I was monkeying around with ssl keys the other night and I had in my notes for that that you had to restart not reload to get it to pick up the new keys… so I've now got restart on my brain… but I first wrote those notes for 1.3.mumble so that might not even be true any more!

i try to login to bugzilla and it does http://foo.com/cgi-bin/bugzilla/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi which fails.

that looks like a pretty fscked url

yes
putting http://www.foo.com/apache-default/ is pretty weird as well.
so, do i need to use a2sites if I dont do virtual hosting?

you can ignore all of the current config and just put everything in apache2.conf if you want, it's just harder to maintain in the long run. The a2en/dis things are just about making life easier for anyone not just virtual hosts

you said the use of initrd "depends" … depends on what?

hi all

ok.
i will do as you suggest then
I only want my bugzilla to work again. it was in /var/www

hi all

hi

what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell !

how do I get /var/www/bugzilla to be visible as http://foo.com/bugzilla via new config way?

thanks

anyone know of something that will give me a web interface to my music where I can manage play lists, albums etc and stream? so I can listen to my tunes at work, friends house etc?
based on sql perferably so it builds album lists quickly

cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; cp default myshinysite; vim !$ # and remove the rewrite rules in there
then a2dissite 000-default; a2ensite myshinysite; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload

When rsync copies symlinks as symlinks, does it 'rewrite' them? To point to a freshly-copied file?

gnump3d maybe ?

ill check it out

what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell !

mserv is another

if mediawiki is coming up, then it might be that you have a config snippet from mediawiki in /etc/apache2/conf.d

many thanks.

I have no idea how mediawiki configures itself under debian…. you'll have to work that out yourself. (check /usr/share/doc/mediawiki*/*)

http://www.foo.com/bugzilla now comes up.

excellent

but it still has this weird cgi rewrite thing. i'll tyr to ge tthat working.
thanks for showing me how to add sites.

no problem is this a debian bugzilla package?

yes
the debian bugzilla package fscked up when i did a dist-upgrade.
i have the mysql stuff working for it now.

sarge-etch? or are you playing with lenny?

the bug reports helped there.

I take it you've looked at /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/README.Debian… many packages tell you the "debian" way of configuring them in there.

why did you disable the 000-default site?

can someone please verify this key? http://phpfi.com/256498

i could have two sites, right?
http://www.foo.com/ goes to the default

if you don't then that rewrite would still be active even once you've made the changes in the other site.

and http://www.foo.com/bugzilla goes to the /var/www….
hmm.

the 000-default site has VirtualHost * in it

!mia

i heard mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL.

meh

if you want shiny site to be on another domain name (say bugs.example.com) then you need to change the VitualHost bits of its config file to match it.

!pow

it has been said that pow is is is is

right

it was easier to tell you to make a new wildcard virtualhost than to properly set up name based virtual hosting
and to do that you've got to disable the default wildcard one.

!no pow is replyprisoner of war

okay

hmm.

me i just modded the 000-default one

yeah… I like leaving config files in the packages as they are esp with the a2en/dis mech in place.

!pow is also the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,})

\amethyst: okay

your point about /usr/share/doc/bugzilla looks prommising.

it's one less file that I will ever have to Y/N/I/D etc the next time the package is bumped…

it talks about modifying the apache config files

!pow

prisoner of war, or the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,})

yeh, i thought that after i did it, the next time it had been updated (apache2)

now if someone would be so kind to adapt "mia" to some Debian-relevant info

!pow =~ s/, or /; is also/

OK, simonrvn

~pow =~ s/alsothe/also the/

\amethyst: that doesn't contain 'alsothe'

aptc search turns up a bunch of "maxima*" stuff

do you know where the RewriteEngine On is in the config files? or where it should go? grep -i /etc/apache2 does not show it being commented out anywhere.

!pow =~ s/alsothe/also the/

OK, \amethyst

anything modifications that the bugzilla docs require should be do-able in your new site file.

it needed it?
i guess

yeah, you replaced the space after or

shoot, i did didn't i, accident. thanks

it should be off by default.

hmm.

take a look at your conf.d
grep -i -r RewriteEngine /etc/apache2

i have charset, and three mediawiki linkx in conf.d

is there a way to tell what files were installed with a package?

mods-available has loadmodule for it.

and mods-enabled should too

a2enmod
a2dismod

hang on… are you trying to load the module or turn RewriteEngine On in a particular dir?

the packages website can do it
eg. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=postfix&version=unstable&arch=i386

themill, i am trying to get a clue. your patience is astounding.
i am just trying to get bugzilla working.

or dpkg -L resolvconf
or dpkg -L packagename

in /usr/share/docs/bugzilla/readme.debian it says to turn on Rewrite engine and and some commands.
it just says they should be "in your apache config file:"
it does not say which one.

cool, thanks

put it in the virtualhost specification, then

is that just for a particular directory?
and to make sure mod_rewrite is turned on, a2enmod rewrite

ok, yes, i notieced that in mods-enabled, it was not there.
so, in my sites-available/bugzilla file, i add the commands there?
right after DocumentRoot command?

section

hmm.

in which case it still goes in the same place, but with those sections around it
is there a way of looking at the contents of a package (I'm thinking /usr/share/doc/README.Debian, in particular here) for a package without downloading or installing it?

it says to rewrite cgi-bin but there is a cgi-bin script alias setup.

Can someone familiar with debarchiver tell me why I keep getting this in my syslog? "Error: Update Release file in main/binary-i386"

if you're not going to do anything else cgi-bin with this virtual host, then just delete that alias and substitute the one you want.
there's a reason why most (all?) bugzillas tend to be on their own virtual host….

hmm. should this be bugzilla.foo.com then?

does the single etch DVD1 support both x86_64/amd64 as well as i386 installations

brb

it's probably worth considering… but you should be able to get it to work this way too. I don't know which will be harder, setting up named virtual hosting and the dns entries or getting it to work for you as you are

I was highlighted? Who?

oh doh. amd64 in the image name
oh doh. amd64 in the web hosting for online images name
sleep deprivation .

sleep aggrivation…
e

aggravation

that two.

'too'

i think the perms on my /dev/pedantic somehow got corrupted

it's still read-only isn't it?

if i have a new kernel and want to make an initrd for it, us mkinitrd the best way to go?

If there're users that run exim here, what user do you use to run it with? the exim_user ?

yeh yeh ;p
Debian-exim, root, every user that gets mail, depending on context

can someone remind me.. to access a windows share.. I install smbclient and then I mount it into a mount point ?
and if I want it always there I edit fstab ?
using some complicated syntax

well, the problem I encounter, is that the packaged debian (stable repository) is not allowed to send emails out with user root. But when I use a different user than root, I get all kinds of different errors…

it's not supposed to deliver to root. never_users is set to root, even built in

I know. but when I forward an email of someuser@domain.tld to otheruser@otherdomain.tld, I get an error. That user id 0 is not allowed

then you're not really forwarding to another user, it's just root disguised as another user…

!what are we going to do tonight

Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world.

no, dpkg, I'm going to sleep….
night all!

g'night themill

simonrvn I am just forwarding to an external Domain hosting that's not hosted with me/ on that server
I get the same error when authenticated users try to send an webmail hosting to another host

ok, then it's something else… run it in debug mode, see what happens
there's also #exim, lots of debian users in there too

smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported

Yes, install `smbfs'

I install smbclient ?
installed

No, install `smbfs'

k, kewl
sweet, thanks
you mind telling me the syntax I need in fstab for a samba share?
a
oops

//server/share /mnt/point smbfs options 0 0

ok and options is where username=,password= goes

what is the debian equiv of ~/.xinitrc?

I do not recommend inserting a password in fstab. It is world readable

that should do it, options can incluse user/pass, but you're bettr off putting those in a file of mode 600 and using credentials=/path/to/file

~/.xinitrc

haha, whoops

xinitrc is an X11 thing. Everyone has it.

phogg its a little private network

We've all long been using ~/.xsession though

but thanks for warning

thank you, as always, a pleasure

somehow my install is frozen at 'Running "grub-install (hd0)"…' can i somehow restart that part of the install ?

the use of an initd depends on whether you've got built into your kernel everything necessary to boot to a state where you can mount the root filesystem.
if yes, you don't need one. If no, you do.

how do i temporarily disable the desktop? i want to boot directly into console mode
thanks, battling this Xen kernel on booting

!nodm

Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" /etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console

…. //10.0.0.11/music /mnt/music smbfs userid=USER,password=PASS,r 0 0

if something is broken with the DM, you can also boot into single user mode

oh dmes told me
dmesg
sorry.. asking before thinking

can someone here help me decrypt the dovecot pop3 servers cryptic error messages?

if you paste them using a paste site, perhaps.

ta, i know about ctrl-alt-f1, since i will rebooting for testing, thought straight to console would be faster, thanks

where is a paste site?

google pastie
and don't pick the top result

pastebin.ca

HGFS is disabled in the host — wtf ?

http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3619
thats the dovecot log
I'm trying to use postfixadmin to configure this mail server, and I can't get dovecot to read from the mysql hosting database correctly

that looks like you don't have the correct permissions on the mysql.conf and/or you have the auth configured incorrectly.
the configuration file will be useful too.

right, but the java server hosting runs as root and the file is chmod 600

execv(/etc/dovecot/mysql.conf) — this is just wrong.

why is that wrong? thats the config file I'm usin

you're exec'ing it, which isn't going to work.

yeah, thats seemed strange

if ive mounted a smfs share… how would I give www-data access to it ??
do I go and give www-data permissions on the mount point ?

if you show us the dovecot.conf we'll probably be able to find the problem.

right, ok, I just checked the config, and I was doing something really dumb
but now I'm back to the other error I was stuck on earlier
it says that ok, now it says "Unknown password scheme CRYPT-MD5"
which is where I was stuck before
is there some other library I need for this to work?

check the 'uid' option in man mount.

also, random question, does anyone know of a CLI utility that reads from STDIN and saves the data to the gnome clipboard? it would be really useful

hi, since yesterday my laptop cdrom (scsi) don't work more. It's seen by the kernel but the device isn't created. Any hints?

if i start slapd int he console, the server works, if i use the init.d script, it does not start. any ideas

cafuego thanks

hi, I was wondering how to enable CPU frequency scaling on my P4 northwood

crb, modprobe p4_clockmod, probably

right, how do I get the UID of www-data?
cat something no doubt
something /passwd

thx krazykit

www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh
is ww-data UID = 33 ??

i will reinstall my debian - my question: can i install it on a 5gb partition and export optional components to hda2/optional/? (or something like that) - or /usr to sda2-/linux/usr?

when grub fails, is there someway to stop it from auto-rebooting? i get to VFS errors, then it reboots

how do i boot this debian install using the debian cd ? grub is not installed

eh? you stick the cd in and choose boot from cd
Kartoffelsalat yes you can choose mount points during install

stick it in the CD drive and turn on oyur computer

oh, yes i forgott…

abrotman, yeah, i am on the cd
wait, boot from cd ?
how ?

u r kidding ?

!u

Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201

!r

from memory, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r"

!fo

somebody said fo was Faeroe Islands

???

you but the cd in and tell your bios to boor from cd
boot

done

or press escape/f2/f12 during boot one of them will initiate the boot menu

can i "export" all dirs? so i can say "this is basic debian" on sda1, to keep this drive als minmal as possible? what would be a "okay"-value for a minimal drive? (own 60GB, but i use it for dualboot, so currently my windows can read/write to EXT3, but i want a pure-linux ext3, a pure-windows ntfs and a mix ext3 (yes, with /usr and so on, i know about the risks runs fine, haven't had problems, which souldn't be repared by checkin
g drive throug debian start)

Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:
ixion_uk, i don't have a bootloader installed, how do i get my debian to boot using the cd ?

Ill show you a bootloader

!ig

I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 … 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!

^^^^^^^^

hi hi

hi
what sould be minimal used for debian + xorg + openbox (= less kb) + 100mb random?

kernel /boot/xen-3.1.0.gz | module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-xen root=/dev/sda2 ro

why would be not find /sda2 or the block device (hd0,0)?

!oci

why would it* not

hello friends

hi

is there a convenient package for php-oci?
as in oracle client?

oh!

looking for "apt-cache show php-db"?

odbc too

guys all of a sudden a directory of mine became read only. there was a program that ran and accessed this directory and now since it needs to write in it, it isn't running anymore
how do I make the directory rw again?

how do i filter old maildir boxes through procmail, i am converting from mbox to maildir?

man chmod

it has the right one

so what's the issue ?

chmod 777 video0/
changing permissions of `video0/': Read-only file system

old mboxes through procmail is easy and well documented, cat mbox | formail -s procmail but not maildir i know i am just overlooking something simple

7

and I'm running as root
my fstab entry for the drive is /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0
why isn't allowing me to write in it?

are you root ?
oh

yes

huh–I've been looking at libpam-mount; it doesn't seem to consider the case of no passwords at all.

did / go 'ro' on error ?

possbily.
how can I check my ext3?

mount

what's the tool to use?

would a "nullok" option make sense in that context, or would it be better to just assume that null means no password and go from there?

or just try to touch /blah

yeah
it is an error …. looked at dmesg
failed opcode was: unknown
I/O error, dev hda, sector 28049487
EXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=1753089, block=3506178

bye bye drive

that's not fun…. is there a recovery mechanism?

you can use smartctl to get some more information on just what it going on exactly (package smartmontools)

get a full backup of your data ASAP

yeah
with drive done in ro there is not way I can build a package right now

smartctl –test=long /dev/hda to run a background self-test, then smartctl -H /dev/hda to have it print a drive health report

ok, i used for f in `ls *`; do procmail $f; done and it seems to be working

\amethyst: oh come on .. michael jackson is more healthy than that drive

is it possible to log all grub errors into /var/log/messages?

before anything is mounted ?

yes

yay .. 4.0r1!

should probably update the topic

i tried

when a man lives in unstable what is a mere 4.0r1 to him?
bwhen a man lives in unstable what is a mere 4.0r1 to him?/b

it's locked
dondelelcaro:

you have no power over me!

sure don't
when there are machines that do run etch

and i am very greatful there are

'grateful'

greatfull

does someone know the name of this music-player-daemon, which is controlled by a client and runs without x (if not needed)? if forgot the name :/

mpd
mpc

ingrate
;p

i think mpd
thanks

heh
man it is burning up here
I hate heat

nice and cool today
20C right now
low of 14

14 what?

its 87F today

C …

good to know

14 degrees C++

here 3 A.M., i do not want to go out, to cold

simonrvn, heat nice
-60 next month

o_O
it's august…

nice eh
end of aug

dude im dying

even up north it's not going to go below -10 next month

dang heat!

set is cold oct is snow

this is my first summer in ny

stoned

dunno how the winter will turn out

you haven't learned yet …

i got funny thing

i live in beautiful Southern CA, not Cananda California

ok, share it

it's the city, it's always 2+ degrees C hotter

u know what in out eth 0 error is

i live in the burbs
no i don't snowbird

about ?

what is it?

don't make me cluebat you!

its on boot up if there is boot up log id paste it

I thought there was a punchline somewhere
that wasn't very funny

oh
it aint funny stoned google says its dchp thing

that the u.s. is the only place in the world that still does farenheit?

the UK does sometimes too

if i unplug lan it goes away

but yeah, pretty much.

hm bbc news service doesn't :/

the brits are giving up on the brit system - good for them

world news, rather

i get kde today stoned slow as heck but its kde

that doesn't really bother me .. it's just another silly scale

too bad for america

haven't they been giving up for 10 years ?

Hi

stoned

that make sense, 0 is water freezing. simple

i am trying to run DBDesigner4

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3659802/%5Byesy%5D_Utawarerumono_1-26___special.3659802.TPB.torrent
hrm… that's not going to work.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day_f.shtml?world=0005

'k thanks

but it request for libXft.so.1

almost the same …

the brit or US?

heh cool

whats up

but, DBDesigner tells that it was teste with Suse and Red Hat

would u help me set up staic ip and then my network

and?

where can i get libXft.so.1

F_����n and fahrenheit… very similar, yes.

heh

if i could remember the little bit of hirigana i learned 15 years ago

w00t
yes, OT

what u a papa
or neibors aint yours

your not pregnant, what is it

how old is debian sarge?

20

!sarge

i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/

oldstable

hmh
thanks

then?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/15/ot-uranium-sharbot-lake-070815.html

got to clean company coming over
got to clean web hosting company coming over

said something, amerifag ?

!tell ProN00b about gay

could anyone suggest a good intermediate linux book… I'm placing an order and new one more book to get free shipping

news 9 year old boys drowed a 6 year old

cya and a happy birthday debian

difference between respecting it and actually participating in it

no help here, man

"As we all know, the internet is like water"

simonrvn, no ont here 7 hours from me

interesting article, the native people take an honorable and difficult position

if ubuntu uses debian sid, why is it that sid isn't reccomended to new users?

they don't use sid
they use ubuntu

blazemonger, because sid is unstable
the debian "unstable"

they use a snapshot of sid, and only kind of

hello
i ve problems with my notebook

not really difficult in one way, because it's just asserting their sovereignty

must be spiral bound

fn key not run

hehe

i can change bright screen

probably because the core ubuntu developers are not "new users"

cant

true, i only mean difficult in the sense of dealing with "the man", but in my experience i find it easier to live by my principles rather than fear

boinky boinky boinky forget ubuntu it sucks

help me please

!tell roldyx_ -about ask

I guess you missed his question?

or even what other would call pragmatic

probably my good man, I was just chiming in

reading issues

I did a full upgrade recently, which killed my nvidia module. I'm trying to install the official nvidia module right now, but it's telling me that it's "Unable to find developpment tool 'cc'" in my path. I do have gcc installed, so I can't really figure out why cc wouldn't be in the path. Can anyone help me resolve this?

so he is asking what?
don't use official nvidia installer

hi, if i want to run debian on a intel X64 systen, what version do i download?

he's asking about the Fn key on his laptop, and controlling the brightness of his screen

on a full upgrade, you get a new kernel as well more than likely, so you basically need to recompile the nvida kernel module using module-assistant

amd64

sorry, I try change bright screen of my notebook but the FN KEY not run

no I was talking about the guy talking about ubuntu and sid and what not

then why did you ask the bot to tell roldyx_ about "ask"?

so it's a universal version for both platforms?

no I read it, but he needs to ask it properly i think. which laptop, which debian, etc. etc.

Intel makes AMD64 clones these days
yes, I know it is a weird situation, if you're old enough to remember when AMD was only making Intel clones

er.. peterS not roldyx_

ok, thanks for the help

heh

compaq presario f500 y debian lenny

and what is Fn anyway? like function keys?

it is the key you use on most laptops to control functions such as, well, your LCD brightness

oh I see

fn + F7 and fn + F8

hehe

oh i see it on my laptop, wow, I never used it

also often used to simulate the numeric keypad

i never even, i thought it was the winkey

how old is it ?

can you help me?

\amethyst: is ee

and to control whether the video chip outputs to the LCD or the external port or both

old??

no, I don't have a compaq presario f500

so its basically a function key and it doesn't work as in your shortcuts don't work

years? months? days?

that kinda sucks

2007 06 20

I have a dell inspiron something, my fkey works, I'm on sid

no, it usually activates the SMM mode of your CPU, which calls the BIOS down underneath the OS and gets the job done that way

too old .. probably a PIII in that

it is very new
hehehe

so Fn+F7 or whatever is never even seen by Linux, the BIOS takes care of it

that hardcore eh
oh I see, so the fn key has nothing to do with linux
?

do your Fn keys work in another OS ?

SMM means 'system management mode', a mode even lower level than ring 0, which is kernel mode

so its a problem with a configuration in his bios maybe? or is it a way that he can have that key working under debian/linux?

but some of this stuff has to do with custom dsdt etc.

well, I suppose it depends on the laptop and the kernel, it may be that certain ACPI setup can disable its effects or something

my brother have the same machine, and he has windows xp and run perfectly

maybe

acpi has a lot to do wtih it

i want to know about yours .. not his
your machine could be biffed while his is not

do i need change keyboard map??

shouldn't have to

ACPI is an existence proof of the dictum "Whoever does not understand Open Firmware is condemned to reimplement it, poorly"
errrr, reinvent

the problem it is only over linux

open firmware is a pos
nah not really

it solves the problem a lot more simply than acpi does, though

OF works quite well for what it does

If I want to receive mail from apt-listchanges, do I need a mail daemon like exim4 or postfix or how do I need to set up my intrabox mail?

im just saying cuz it gave me shit on my powerbook

maybe you could give it a little respect, it might return the favor

i had to do some serious work to reinstall debian on the fucker
hehe

no, you just need something like nullmailer or ssmtp.

ah, ok

open firmware I read about and researched well when I was trying to fix my laptop

is there any good webmail? i use postfix+dovecot.
!webmail

I still have sarge/testing on it!

horde webmail

horde is one
squirrelmail

roundcube

I don't think he just wants a list of packages, but an actual recommendation by someone who knows which ones are good

roundcube it s very very nice

Anyone in here good with samba? I'm trying to set up my fresh debian etch system to share a directory to my windows domain, and don't have a clue where to start.

what is a round cube? is that like a sphere?

it is a webmail

pull out your editor for the file /etc/samba/smb.conf and read 'man smb.conf'. the basics are already there, commented out

it is like a world
:P

I did that, and I have my server showing up in the domain.
however, I can't authenticate =(

it is not too difficult make sure you are in the same work group as the windbloze boxes and a few other details for file sharing samba should be very easy

yeah, I thought it would be easy, except that I can't log in from any windows station =(

even for printing i have found that it is not bad

yeah you probably have to join the domain then. 'man smbpasswd' for the details, as I recall

apt-get install roundcube

for lenny I think apt-get should be a script that just prints "aptitude pwns j00" and exits

when I run testparm, I get workgroup = …

well my keyboard still not run
ggggrrrrrr

erm, by … I mean the correct thing

what peterS said about the man is right i wouldn't reccomend their documentation which is really mountain loads
have you checked the web google - there are some very simple tutorials - its been a while

being in a workgroup and being a member of the domain are not the same thing. in SMB / NetBIOS, you can be in a workgroup merely by declaring that you are in it. but to be in a domain requires the blessing of the domain controller.

ah, right
thanks peterS, I forgot about that

you declare the domain controller with 'password server = foo' in smb.conf, but then you have to actually create a machine trust account on the domain controller. this is where smbpasswd, or some similar utility, comes in

I can't find anything about passwd server hosting in smb.conf =(

apparently you are not spelling 'password' correctly

I'm getting nowhere with module-assistant and recompiling nvidia kernel module. Lack of source being the main issue.

DCC SEND WEJRGYIOJWRIOJRIOJGQIOWRJOIWJIAORJGIO

good point, but I couldn't find that either =[

damn kids

look harder. it is very definitely in 'man smb.conf'

er
g
dr
gdf
g

it mentions the 'security = domain' or 'security = ads' parameter, make sure you use one of those rather than 'security = server'. just fyi. not that 'security = server' doesn't _work_, but it uses the Windows 95 method of password validation, which is inefficient and insecure

ah, fair enough
should I read up on domain vs ads, or is there one I should pick?

domain means Windows NT 4.0 domain controller. ads means Active Directory, which is new to Windows 2000

ah, ads it is

both should work if your domain controller is at least Windows 2000. I haven't had any practical experience with Active Directory and Samba, though

can anyone tell me how to install/autoconfigure grub ? (from rescue mode)

yeesh. I love it when firefox decides that it needs to take 1G of RSS for pixmaps in X

do all gecko-based browsers do that ?

huh… they emphasize "is" rather than "not": "but *IS* not being used."

brain fart man
what is the problem?

doesn't boot normally
seems mbr is broken

what does it say/do?

Happy birthday

if mbr was broken you wouldn't be able to get to grub to begin with

yeah, i don't get there

well that sucks

i can boot into rescue mode from cd
any idea how i get grub working from there ?

im not too sure, though I know you can boot from a live cd or something and try to restore grub, mount your thing chroot it and install grub
i dunno dude, grub never broke for me

stoned do u need to check sum every time

for what?

a distro to install

sure, to make sure it hasn't been tampered with
of false dns etc.

one iam on cant get to check sum google says there aint a way to check sum
should i give up?
stoned

what apache do I have installed on my debian… Apache-SSL or Apache-ModSSL … I'm trying to renew cert and do not know what to answer..

not every time

a2enmod ssl

?

oh
sorry
misread

np

how woudl we know what to answer ?

what is the difference between those two?

?
they can use the same cert if that's what you mean

what is difference between Apache-SSL and Apache-ModSSL

one is a module .. one only does ssl AFAIK

how do I find which one I have on my debian system?

dpkg -l

I've used make-kpkg to build a kernel deb
but I want to change the name

in what way?

when I do so in menuconfig (I changed the suffix)

does this mean that if I can do a2enmod ssl I have Apache-ModSSL ? thanks

you know how the configs let you add anything to the end of the name?

if you want to change the suffix, use –apend-to-version

if i understand your question correctly .. yes

s/p/pp/
!kernel mantra

use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out

thank you

damnit

kp mantra

!factinfo kernel mantra

2 2005 (950 days); it has been requested 36 times, last by dondelelcaro, 11s

dondek, I realised that quickly
because I did it in both places
in the config
and in the make-kpkg command

!kp mantra

kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg –revision=$VER –append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT –rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg –revision=$VER –append-to-version=$NAMEEXT –rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add –initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.