Force-LoopBreak, but that doesnt fix it either, just makes things worse

I don't have an ipw3945, (though I do have an ipw2200), but presumably once you've started ipw3945d and modprobed ipw3945, it should be the same as configuring any other wireless card
Edit /etc/network/interfaces, or use something like NetworkManager (and remove the interface from /etc/network/interfaces in that case)

wyzard ok thanks , also one more thing, do u know what kernel comes with debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso

etch ships with 2.6.18

ok thanks

are there any free partition managers out there? ive tried google but have had no sucess
or does debian include one

As for which variant, like -686 or whatever, boot it and run "uname -r"

wyzard ok

I don't know of any GUI ones (mainly because I haven't looked for them), but cfdisk works fine

cani make /var/ bigger after ive installed?

that will allow me to shrink the partition, correct?

In a limited way

what do you mean

If you have a way to safely enlarge the partition it's on
You can resize a partition by deleting it in fdisk and recreating it with the *same starting location* but a different end

but wont that delete all the files?

You'd need to first shrink the filesystem (using something like resize2fs), then shrink the partition

wyzrd any ideas about the install problem i got ^

No, because the partition table is just some numbers at the beginning of the disk… deleting one doesn't delete the filesystem it contains
just makes it inaccessible

ok, i will google for that

wyzard major problem on this page http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fcontrib%2Fl%2Flinux-modules-contrib-2.6%2Fipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18%2B1.1.2-4%2Betch1_i386.deb&md5sum=c52d0df9412ba1fd72a051eddffc0556&arch=i386&type=main

one final question

Create a new one with the same starting location and it's accessible again
so if there's free space after the partition, you can make the new one bigger

ight im out of here for now, thanks wiz

i dont know how to word this

What's the problem?

ok,

wyzard NONE of the links work

i have a 64 bit installation on this hdd
its 7.47 gb
my other hdd is 40 gb and has a windows installation

I can't think of any reason why that would happen, considering that the page itself loaded fine so clearly your network is working

i want to use debian as my main system and boot into windows when i want to do some gameing
but first
i want to switch to an x86 system

wyzard i belive they must have renamed the file

You mean 32-bit rather than 64-bit?

because 64 bit isnt widely supported

You can't do that in-place; you have to reinstall

some of the dependencies in lenny are pretty fucked up. case in point: aptitude.

i know

you here, or there?

64-bit is pretty well-supported though

thats what im getting at

I've been running it on this system since January

http://paste.debian.net/35253 - if you get a chance take a look at this

The only supported-ness issues I've encountered is lack of 64-bit versions of a few closed-source programs: Flash, Google Earth, and the java web host browser plugin

wyzard, i would rather get familiar with the linux x86 system before venturing into the 64 bit world

Other than that, it's no different from 32-bit Debian

flash and java are what made me decide to switch
because i do alot of research online

and 64bit codecs for media

but anyways

There's 64-bit Java, just not the plugin for running applets in a browser
and Flash now works in unstable thanks to nspluginwrapper; there's probably a backport package available for that

it is manditory to repartition your hdd to do a net install right?

ia32libs, wine, chroot 32bit, nspluginwrapper
few options you have still

or can i install to this hdd using a different hdd with windows on it
using no removable media whatsoever

Are you talking about netbooting the installer?

indeed

"netinstall" still uses removable media to start the process
just doesn't contain the whole installer on the media

where?

i know that its possible
using something like chroot? i think it was

For netbooting you need to set up a boot server on another computer, to serve the installation image; it *might* be possible to do that with Windows Server 2003, but probably not with XP

again i am a linux noob, if you will
newb, however you wish to spell it

Once the installer is booted it's no different from any other installation

oh, i do have a working floppy drive, i forgot
i just forget which box its in
thank you wyzard

You don't have a CD burner?

that i do not

It'd be worth getting one, and they're pretty inexpensive

i have a copy of linux on cd
but its ubuntu

I think USB flash drives are also a supported installation method, if your BIOS supports booting from one

how do I change a sysctl value permanantly?

and i want the sexier debian
because it seems more stable

`aptitude markauto aptitude` and you're forced to purge aptitude. nice.

/etc/sysctl.conf

who are you talking to?

i have 2 questions, why dont the f buttons change desktops for me? and why is it when i apt-get anything it says the package cant be varified?

heres the thing

!eye simonrvn

i have a dfi k8m800 board

bloodskin

which in the bios

oh

supports usb booting
but

thanks, Wyzard

!enter

The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '…', '—', or ':' instead.

i used a tutorial

',', '. ', ';', '…', '—', reminds me of a regular expression, almost
b',', '. ', ';', '…', '—', reminds me of a regular expression, almost/b

and even made a video (on windows)

You used a tutorial and a video for what?

o_O

and showedit to someone, of me making the usb drive bootable,
and it failed
now, since then i have updated my bios

….

so maybe that was fixed

!_!

somebody said _ was ALT-255

wtf

man, I'm not stoned, but I feel like I should be

im not sure but i believe i used windows format utility and made a windows boot disk or whatever
and it failed

You don't have to do anything special to make the drive itself bootable… the Debian install image (if it still exists; I'm not sure) is already bootable, and you write it to the flash drive with the "dd" command, from your Ubuntu CD or something

so i know that its the board

sometimes i feel that i really am stoned, reality is just too fucked up or weird

As for configuring the BIOS to boot from it, that's usually fairly straightforward, but if you're having trouble getting that working, why not just ask a friend to burn a CD for you?
It'd be a lot easier than setting up a boot tomcat server hosting to netboot the installer
You can get a CD burner yourself for around $40 USD

ext3 is lower cpu usgae than xfs, so there's that bonus

does anybody know how to tell what ports are open on my etch box?

netstat

thanks

sorry, was away
anyways

or scan it with nmap from another box

i had a friend burn me a disk, but i was a fool and decided to go with ubuntu

keep your thoughts on one line, so we can follow what you're on about

not localhost

never did install it
my appologies guerin. im used to small networks and channels

Hey, I have a laptop that I installed laptop_toosl er whatever its called, and I think it is reducing the power that is given to the wifi card on boot, which makes my signal strength for the wireless network unusably low. How can I increase the power or check for other things that might be causing this?

A Debian CD, you mean?
So use that if you still have it, and if not, ask your friend to burn it again

no, like i said, it was a mistake

Blank CDs are very very cheap, and it only takes a few minutes to burn one

well, i have an ipod wich is a 30 gb drive

hi, I was wondering how I could set my external hard drive to automatically sleep after a certain time period of inactivity
I know it's possible with hdparm, I just don't remember how

so i will see if the bios patch made that work. if not i think i have a floppy drive somewhere and will use that

floppy installs are a pain, but doable
fyi, it's called /ignore -replies

using floppies just to begin a netinstall, hopefully

anyone?

!anyone

polls

is there a way to dump individual files from wireshark?

http://paste.debian.net/35253
hey
check this out
this is hilarious

man hdparm

yeh, you have to do netinst

Guerin, I did that already. The only thing in the manpage is an option to force sleep mode.

then it can't be done.

fair enough, I just distinctly remember doing it.

also, is there, of the top of your head, an install that will work on a machine that has a 333mhz intel prostituter on a board holding 32mb of ram with massive disk space?
off*

likely some other tool

blargh! I am a fool
hooray outdated man pages

?

I got it

'prostituter'?

it's just proof that at least under linux, RTFM always works
:P

lol, someone caught that joke in there

*shock*

no, it's RTFm. man is lowercase.

but yes, thats a real question

well, I just meant the generic phrase RTFM
but yes, technically RTFman

it's an acronym, in proper spelling you make them all caps

especially since one of those words is the

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en
says 64MB is recommended and 48MB is minimum

but how do you exlain that it stands for Read The F Man? who is Man?

stands for Manual, not Man
*rolls eyes*

and it doesn't stand for read the f man

Why is the signal strength to on one laptop is perfect and the laptop sitting next to it is like 20%?

oh, linux based hosting services IRC channels. how I love them.

that makes no sense - nyone can read the letter `f'

i found my floppy drive. im just going to do a network install. i hope it only takes 2 disks. and as far as that other machine goes, i saw that.

man f
'no such manual page'

aww

viva la resistance

3 minimum

damn

boot, root, and net-drivers
or cd-drivers

is it possible to chroot install or whatever its called

which all become beer coasters soon after
yes.

hehe

starship troopers

m, angostura bitters
my fave thing about being a barman

the book is much better than the movie

chroot installation with debootstrap is described in a chapter in the manual titled "installing Debian from another Unix/Linux operating system", or something like that
You could use that procedure to do a debootstrap install from your Ubuntu liveCD

its been a while since ive looked at it
i shall find it again

It's trickier though… all command-line; you don't get the normal installation wizard

!find bin/smbclient

Debian Search of 'bin/smbclient' (2): (/usr/bin/smbclient) in net/smbclient ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/smbclient) in devel/samba-dbg.

doesnt matter
ill just write down the steps

goodbye-windows.com

I don't like that method of installing linux

works great for me
easier than burning a businesscard

oh sure, it works, but I think it's cleaner to use a cd
boh sure, it works, but I think it's cleaner to use a cd/b

i have like 7 hd's if that counts

grub likes to get confused nicely when you have that (the installer for it, at least, not grub itself)
I think I have at least 5 here

yes i found out about grub/udev and that bug the hard way when it first came , 2.6.13 or so
uuid works for that though

hmm
make that 4
wtf
one of my disks is offline

tsk tsk, that naughty drive
going to sleep on the job

active raid5 hdg1[2] hdc1[0]
976767872 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [U_U]
:/

i still need to learn about raid
never done it

hmm, I think it wasnt detected on boot for some reason
oh well. i'll fix that in a week

this brings me back to the partitioning question
does debian have a partition manager

a few
cfdisk for you

i didnt see any option to add partitions on the disk manager

go free space?

maybe i need to be in root. is that true?

err got?
that too

2 and a half gigs i think

yes root

ok, brb then

what "disk manager", the one in the installer?

you might want to umount stuff

it's pretty safe without inmouting as long as you don't delete someethign your working with (or resize ti, whatever), if you do, the kernel will refuse to redetect the partition table

i meANT DISK ADMIN
caps lock, sorry

i've never seen that which you speak of
I don't install many of the gui tools, though

linux swap/solaris is a required partition, is it not?

if you need swap. some systems can run without any swap
specifically, systems with known memory usage or enough emmory for it to not matter

so its a good idea to just leave it in tact, corrtect?

well, unless you have some reason to remove it

ahh. i have 512mb and can give it a good load from time to time
well, pretty much hourly
ok
thanks
hmm
cfdisk cannot resize partitions?

that's correct

!parted

GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables.

gparted is nice (gui program)

i had troubles when doing make
thats another reason i wish to switch to 32 bit

make for what

parted

it's in the repository

no, it gave me 3 errors

I mea, you shouldn't have had to compile it

hmm

did you do apt-get build-dep parted, if you wanted to compile it for some reason (or the manual equivalent)

hi just want to ask. im having trouble installing my ETHernet

go ahread and ask, then
I really can't type today

mine is Intel® PRO 10/100 Ethernet LAN controller, problem is debian dont detect it.. and when i tried e100, problem is it ask for parameters. any help please.

how much size is a mini debian ?

what exactly did it say

hmmm it pops a new parameter

mini debian

supply additional parameters, i put nothing, and it dont install

there is no mini debian

what EXACTLY does it say

basic debian ?

wait. how to run that installation again for ethernet?

i want to get a mininal debian system

those NICs are the best-supported of any. It's probably faulty if debian doesn't detect it.

CLI and apt

~300-500MB

CLI ?
any command for CLI?

jeyit's easy to get a standard system around 500mb. you can get smaller. what are your requrements

300mb is too big

you get the bong hit prize
then you need to use damnsmalllinux

there is no cli
wtf is a console

in the beginning, there was

jyf1987 do you have a system right now? if you do, run debootstrap with minimal target and see how big it ends up, I suspect 100mb

it was a tank!

yes i am in ubuntu

m1a1

Kevin`: but a kernel is ~50MB and stuff
i recommend damnsmalllinux

Guerin it doessn't have to be.

they taught me how to boresight tanks and fix the laser rangefinders

Kevin`: no, of course.

can dsl linux use apt to install software ?

yes.

what package installs the command dig?

(though it's not binary-compatible with debian)

i want the exact package plz

dnsutils

ok, sorry, i dont mean your CLI is the shell console, sorry for my ignorance…

ok i will try to installed it on my hardware

!tell slapfaceware -about search

tty

!console

somebody said console was the opposite of x, or your ass in a can

thanks.

dpkg, factinfo console

7 2004 by kjk137!~kjk137@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com; it has been requested 52 times, last by jetx, 22s

anyways.. apt is not installed yet i guess
how to run the installer again?

how to install a dsl to harddisk ?

for eth

..deb is a debian execyutable binary, correct?

we don't know, ask #damnsmallinux.

i have a sda6 with ex3 fs

executable*

no. It's an ar archive

ok

a package should NEVER be executable
ever

#dsl channel has so little man there
and no one talking

don't worry, it's not the size, it's what he does with it

hopefully they have a wiki or something

the installer ask me a while ago about installent eth. problem is i skip it since i cant install using e100

does it work on some other OS?

eth0 would be your e100

so when i download and open the amd64 version of parted from the debian site, where do i extract it to?
or

why i can connect to internet with eth0 in ubuntu and can not in other linux os ????

what do i do with the binary and 2 folders

you use dpkg -i

ahh

but this sounds like a great way to fuck your shit up

depackage install

and you don't open the archive
jeesus
!grounding

Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client)

well wtf do i do then

go and read at least a little of those documents before you bother

why i can connect to internet with eth0 in ubuntu and can not in other linux os ????

Install it with "dpkg -i", which unpacks everything into the right places automatically and sets it up

dunno.

because ubuntu is better?

ha.

nah.

interesting to know why it works, though
debian's kernels are practically the same

i no but i want to know how to do this in other linux os

it may be totally different in other linux os
because linux lacks of standardization

if i use a debian kernel then it will work???

every linux os has its own way of configuration

jyf1987 which driver does your card use

if they use same kernel, it doesn't matter what driver

i don't know i have no instered in hareware

slapfaceware for hardware, it's all really the same, and you can usually use the same low level methods for any configuguration

hardware

what's low level, nothing is lower level than kernel

….

slapfaceware on that note, slackware is a good distro to learn the "linux" way on

hi

I like "because Ubuntu is better" on #debian

don't make it look mysterous, linux is a kernel after all

when I use a netinst, does it install lenny or etch?

slapfaceware low level like actually editing configuration files =p

Kevin`, no that's not low enough

i like ubuntu but im debian is more suitble for me

slapfaceware it is for almost any linux

seems a good way to get rid of all those silly questions, btw "goto #ubuntu, Ubuntu's better anyways"

how is that congruous with your other statement?

what do you know about which is more suitable

and most other unix

but now i just know how to install ubuntu while not know install debian

someone please answer my simple question? thanks…

jyf1987 find what driver your card uses, and load it in debian

have you tried #ubuntu

disjointed mutterings of a cluebie…

Gargantua the normal netinst, etch

depends on which you downloaded

im just like CLI interface and apt
Kevin`: how to find it ?im a newbie

jyf1987 actually, just check in lspci what the card is

wait i will try

ah, thanks a lot.
do you guys recommend etch or lenny?

does it work on some other OS? — it works fine in other OS

so I gather, now

etch, unless you want the newer stuff and possibly problems to report

eth0 would be your e100

i dont have eth0 installed

er?

i have to install the driver manually.. how to do that in debian…

8.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev
is this the card ?

axscode I asked you before what modprobe e100 said, have you done that again?

realtek makes gige cards?

yeah

*shudder*

That's an Ethernet card, but it's not an e1000

is 4.0r1 lenny or etch?

The driver for that is "r8169"

about as good as the 100MB cards

the installer ask me a while ago about installent eth. problem is i skip it since i cant install using e100

etch

o sorry kevin

ok
thanks

eth0 would be your e100

Guerin, you've been to china before right?

oops, mixed up your question with axscode's

will my system (2-pentium III 1GHz/256MB) suffer if i install debian + xp on top of it ?

I have, and it is the most interesting place in the world
depends on you, not the machine

failed

what you mean
depends on me

also, is it possible to use a graphical installer?

Anyway, that card should be supported out-of-the-box by Debian

Guerin, im in china, we chat last time, remember?

Kevin`: its failed, im using modprobe e100.

YOU have the power to fuck it up - otherwise it will be grand

Guerin, what's so interesting in china

r8169?thx but how to congfigure the network ?

jyf1987

unless there's something drastically different between an 8169SC and a regular 8169… no idea what the SC stands for

internal inconsistencies.
man interfaces

let's say 1 processor for each and 128MB for each

Guerin, what that mean

oh like anywhere

jyf1987 modprobe r8169, see if that gives you it

shit don't make sense

of course it will suffer, it will have windows on it

like the whole communist capitalism idea
it's awesome

is it possible to install kde from apt?

of course.

sorry noob question.

Guerin, is there still communist captitalism in china ?

Kevin`: is r8169 a hardware or a mod file ??

thanks a whole lot.

not really, 2 sides of the same coin. i'm not all that surprised they've gone capitalist

jyf1987 module

r8169 is the name of the kernel module which is the driver for that card

to the best of my knowledge, yes. But in formal terms it's nothing of the sort.
it's a form of fascism

duh

if r8169 include in kernel ?

yes

jyf1987 it is, yes

ok thx

Guerin, i don't see anything like that in china, i'm chinese. i see everyone doing whatever they want

well, it makes sense, eh.
I'm glad for you.

wait is r8169 a stand module ?
is dsl support it?

jyf1987 full sentences please
ask the dsl channel
notice this is #debian

when I was in Luoyang, a man offered me and my friend his teenage daughter. That's not what I call `everyone doing what they want'.

Guerin, i just came back to china two years ago, i find china a fun place, there are all kinds of fcked up ppl

but dsl channel have no one alive

not many here will know details like that about dsl

Guerin, what you mean offering you

in my eyes all of you is linux

use your imagination

Guerin, i mean, for marriage or just that thing

jyf1987 wel, LINUX will support it yes, but I don't know if dsl will by default..

….
I see the rose-tint is permanent.

then if i use a debian kernel it will support?right ?

I'm using Debian with a Realtek 8169 card right now

Guerin, was his girl good looking?

did you accept?

jyf1987 yes.

no, I don't go for children.

ok i thx you and debian
you use the same card with me ?

Yes, it's a fairly common card

Guerin, that only proves that there are all kind of different ppl in china

well "teenage" - would be still teenage with 19… still quite a bit young, admitted… well, depends on your age

Well, mine's not actually a "card", it's built into my motherboard, and it's an 8168 rather than an 8169, but it uses the same driver and it works fine

it doesn't *prove* anything, it's an anecdote.
yeah, not that end of teenaged.

me too Wyzard

anyway, I wish the Chinese all the best.

mine is bitlt into motherboard

Guerin, where are you now

at home

r8169 is a standard module in current kernels, and this hardware works out-of-the-box in Debian

you mean chinese?

linuxbios…….anyone know?

Guerin, that chinese man must be crazy, how did you meet him
Guerin, which country are you
in

that's what I said

out-of-the-box means what ?

he was lurking outside a (presumably his) house

buy it and take it out of the box

WHAT's your country?

plug it in it works

There are softwares such as firestarter and guarddog to handle iptables configurations. And what for samba? I'd like sharing a printer with windows and I am not very familiarized with samba (and dont care being) isnt there such package for doing that with simple clicks?

i hail from the far-off land of /whois

lokkit xjkx

Guerin is a native of Obscenia.

there's a simple configuration file

hi
does debian require donations?

where is Obscenia? my english is poor

im sick of distros asking for money.

No, but they're accepted.

don't mind karsten, we are constantly at war with the fools from the Cretin Archipelago

Guerin, i also met someone who offer me her daughter on bus

Rather than using samba to share printers, you could use CUPS (the print server used by most Linux systems, as well as Mac OSX) together with Windows' built-in IPP support

we have something in common!
debian requires nothing.
oh.

Windows can print directly to a CUPS print server

debian requires nothing.

you? what happend did you kill Deb and Ian?

debian ruquire a hardware :-

sunru, kill dep?

thanks CutMeOwnThroat not that much Wyzard that interests me, do win98 support this thing you are saying? and how do i set windows to connect cups?

deb?

not at all. Without, you can use it as a coaster

or a mathine to run it

Well, technically, i386 or better, 200 MB HD, 64 MB RAM, and a NIC is useful.

Guerin, when are you coming to china again

no, 98 doesn't, but 2K and onward do

where is Obscenia??

actually i used debian about 5 years ago.

dunno. Not this year.

There's no such country

next to the Cretin Archipelago

;

i absolutely hate gentoo community

Guerin, i'm thinking about giving up the returning ticket to canada

but the distro is nice.

If you *do* want to help, see: http://www.debian.org/intro/help
None of us here can stand it, obviously.

i'm sure you'll do what's right

so where is you Wyzard

the machine i am talking about (which isnt mine) can only run win98, because the machine sucks, then i still have the problem, will try the lokkit now

ha… it's too late for me of course the guys are right… doesnt need samba for printing that way around

31/printers/myprinter" or whatever — is the URL you want to give

i like the fact you havenlt updated the webpage in 5 years hehe

Guerin, i go back to canada every year, but this year i planning on staying, china is more fun than canada

Launch the Add Printer wizard, tell it you're adding a network printer, and you get several input options… the box near the bottom is a place to type a URL, so just enter the URL of the print queue

It's been updated. Style hasn't changed. There used to be a bird-sort of logo, that changed ~ 1999 / 2000

xjkx only windows 98? i'm currently using debian on a pentium 133 laptop..

are you in china ?

jyf1987, i am

no, I'm in Obscenia

but you just said win98 cant do it

I think it has a 'made for windows 95' sticker

Ask his collarbone.

where can i see the old logo?

you can find out its location with /whois