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If I have a left-floated div and another normal div after that can I make the normal div NOT climb to the same

September 22, 2007 at 5:45 am · Filed under JSP

floats just work like that

oahh cool
Thanks
I'm still having problems
I can't get them to line up… I was gaps between my div tags if that sounds right?
to they fit just between the images

Hum. What?

I'm doing padding, but I don't want the background to bleed
and setting the margin to sort things out does nothing

Okay, if I understand what you're trying to to right, here's what you do:
remove padding-left from #leftcolumn

okie dokey

add margin-left: 20px; and margin-right: 20px; to #leftcolumn and #rightcolumn respectively
0 180px; to #contentcolumn
Dunno if that's what you were aiming for.

Perfect!!! You are a God!!!
Thanks

no problem.
When you add padding to each side, you need to decrease margin for the same side
you'll get the hang of it

Cool, Thanks

Guys, I need a layout of 2 columns, left one fixed-width, right one liquid-width. But without margin-left for the right one. How do I do that?
]layout @ me

Examples with proper markup and CSS: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssLayouts , http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ , http://glish.com/css/ ,
http://bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ , http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/

2nd link is a good one

kay, reading that.

Why without margin-left?

I hate those negative margins… I don't know why they want to do that on the page though

because I need it to work even when the left column div is missing. In this case the right column needs to span the whole width.

I see.
good luck with that.

heh. I'm gonna need it, aren't I.
negative margins for layout are only really needed when you try to keep proper order in your markup, i.e. content before sidebar.

so it's just for the HTML side?

Why should the content be before the navigation? Makes no sense.

because users browsing without CSS are more interested in the content than in how to get away from it.
most of all blind users

If I browsed without CSS I wouldn't want to have to scroll through a page of content before getting to the navigation

Can someone please point out what I am doing wrong here? I want active and visited links of the notes class to be grey, but for them to highlight in red when hovered over. here is my code, which doesn't work for the hover: a, a:active, a:visited.notes { color: #333333; } a:hover.notes {
color:#FF0000; }

a.notes:hover
not a:hover.notes

but you would want to scroll through a page of navigation before getting to the content? And yes, counting the logo and all that jazz, it does take one page.

ZombieLoffe, of course. Silly me!
thanks ZombieLoffe

Want some bad news?? The layout you helped me with does not work in IE

logixoul; if I were looking for -another page- yes.
lol.

but most of the time you aren't, supposedly
btw: I said sidebar, not navigation.
sidebar as in "additional info for this page"

Yeah, I just assumed. Sidebars usually are.

ZombieLoffe, but why is it a, a:active, a:visited.notes { color: #333333; } ? here there are a:active, so why not a:hover

it's not, hal
You did it wrong there too
add display:inline; to the sidebars
makes it work in IE (yes, IE is shit)

so it should be a, a.notes:hover, a.notes:active { color: #333333; } ?

wait, what? are we still at my 2-column-layout problem? o_O

yup.

or a.notes, a.notes:hover, a.notes:active { color: #333333; } ?

Yes

ahh hmm
I get it

The "Double margin float bug" is a well-known one

will try, thanks

Do you have IE?

that colour.

Yes.

do you have any idea how to get IE to support it?

ZombieLoffe, I see. So there is no brief way of writing a.notes, a.notes:hover, a.notes:active { color: #333333; } ?

Nope.

ZombieLoffe, got it! Cool

Nope was for hal.
Like I said - add display: inline; for the sidebars

hyphenex, sorry for confusing your conversation!

oahh, I thought that was for hal

hmm, what browsers should #sidebar{display:inline} work in? Only IE?

haha, Cool

It shouldn't work at all
But you need it for IE

right. so. no idea for the rest of the browsers?

Thanks ZombieLoffe
That does display:inline mean?
what*?

What do you mean?

etc) instead of a block element (div, , table, etc)

inline breaks lines, block doesn't

Well, do you know how to make the layout I described for real browsers, or are we at the "good luck with that" stage?

oahhh
Cool

Thing is, it SHOULDN'T Work, because floated elements aren't affected by display, but it does in IE for some reason.
that was addressed at one of hyphenex's problems, not yours, sorreh

ooh
I see.

I dunno how to make a sidebar and content without margin

kay, no problem

can you use JavaScript and the DOM to edit the margin settings?
even though I know nothing on the subject

Probably, but I know as little as you

yes, you can of course

or… have separate classes for the pages you want without the sidebar?

I thought about that but won't be too easy with Joomla

ahhh
I'm an e107 fan myself
it's easy with e107

e107? the one with the spiffy logo?
that's about as much as I remember about it

well, I'm kind of a novice on CMS systems as well
but I like e107
and have not used much else

Blub… joomla. I've never used it myself, but it seems pretty crappy.

you are talking in css channel about cms which as default output has tagsoup with taste of bullshit

so what do you use? drupal?

.. from viewpoint of css/html

sure, that annoys the fuck out of me

I don't use CMSes

any recommendations then?

e107 from me

i have heard good things about modX

I saw that one yes

geocities?

modX… never heard of it

seemed immature but I'll give it a try
….some day

immature
lmao

well, uh, "young"?
:P
the main reason I went for joomla is that there's a HUGE community for support&extensions

if you thing that Joomla Services is great , but modX bullshit … change a hobby
because you seem quite clueless

eh, I didn't even try ModX… only got a superficial impression
meh
joomla for now

Relax, mefisto.

well, I'm off to bed
thanks once again for your help ZombieLoffe

http://demo.opensourcecms.com/modx/manager/
admin:demo
ok .. but who cares

this admin UI looks better than Joomla, yes.

Zoffix

Shit. Sorry, meant to me ZombieLoffe.

ZombieLoffe

haha

hello
have a background image (2 colors, 50% black and 50% on a image) and center a image in vertical and horitzontal for all resolutions… at the middle

I seem to have a situation where an attached css is overriding the embedded css. Could someone check the following code, to suggest where I am going wrong, please?
http://pastebin.ca/669134

prophet

does anyone have experience with the moz-corner-radius stuff? i would like to see if i can use it. is it production ready?

thanks logixoul, but i need a div in front of this background centered vertically and horiztonally (this -lly it's correctly?)

yes, it's correct

prophet

ok thanks

(working on IE6? )

yes

1. obviously it's supported only on gecko. 2. it's not antialiased. Otherwise, yes, "production ready".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscqJP2U0kg

anyone see any obvious mistakes I have made with my css?

try to validate

prophet, the local page validates fine

know where i can get information on that?

hmm I don't see any embedded css in there
]google moz-border-radius @ DawnLight
http://www.google.com/search?q=moz-border-radius

thanks

np
If I have a left-floated div and another, normal, div after that, can I make the normal div NOT climb to the same row as the floated one, WITHOUT setting {clear} on the normal div?

is what i was searching, thanks another time

mmm i was trying tonight to doit on my ugly website and i only found clear:both;

I see.

but i'm not an expert

logixoul, ok, I take your point. Here's the full code: http://pastebin.ca/669148
I don't understand how the common.css is overriding the embedded hover and active etc

well, sanity check: you aren't doing !important on the external stylesheet, right?
other than that, no idea.

logixoul, ok I will check
brb
logixoul, no I am definitely not using an !important directive

can i make a fieldset with an inner border that looks the same in all browsers/

then your best bet is to leave the mistery alone and set !important in the embedded stylesheet, I suppose.

inset border

logixoul, but the way I have structured the html is correct isn't it, and the CSS should work?

yes.
also Firebug may provide insight into the problem.

logixoul, hmmm, thank you for checking it for me

are you still on ZombieLoffe?

i want black on the inside
and the outside a little lighter grey

maybe someone else can help me then. in Firefox, with the middle bar item. The side images are not sitting on the very left and right causing the background to bleed over http://hyphenex.ath.cx/~scott/Surf/e107_themes/Surf3/experiment.html

If I have a left-floated div and another, normal, div after that, can I make the normal div NOT climb to the same row as the floated one, WITHOUT setting {clear} on the normal div?
bah, I hate this stuff
why the f..k did they have to make inline different from inline-block

hehe, don't look at me
I don't know the difference

the difference is that you have more control over inline-block
which doesn't make an ounce of sense
why not just make inline resizable, positionable and all that jazz
if only firefox supported inline-block, it would be bearable

go inside or outside an archor tag? It doesn't matter does it, as long as the open/close are nested properly?

inside

doesn't matter I think
but inside makes more sense, yeah

ok, I will do that from now on - the result seems to be the same though

so span is a inline div more or less eh

yes
and, it doesn't have any meaning - as opposed to div, which means "more or less stand-alone part of the page"
e.g. it's wrong to make your footer a div
er…
e.g. it's wrong to make your footer a span
or to make a simply red word a div

yeah that last statement raised my eyebrow

ok gotcha

Could you have a quick look at something for me?

hehe, okie dokey
night

Defiantly enough for one night
Have a good one

How do I make the two occupy separate lines? http://web479.sv16.pixelx.de/problem.html

tag red?

Don't float them?

I need to.

They occupy seperate lines by default

updated the file to better illustrate the problem
I need to float them to put the two on one line. And I can't inline them because I also need to set width to them.
looks like I'm stuck with absolute positioning :/

div:after { content: "."; display: block; clear: both; font-size: 0; height: 0; visibility: hidden; }
add that to that page

that's very nice, but I need to support IE

there is a problem in IE?

it doesn't support :after

but is there a problem in IE

hmm. wait, I'll check.

div { overflow: hidden; }

cool!
overflow:hidden did the job
ah, but not in IE

it works in ie

IE6, right?
all displays on the same line here.

]clearfix
]clear

http://www.ejeliot.com/blog/59 , www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html

there

by doing .notes:hover a { color:#FF0000; } at least I get some effect, however, the whole div block does red rather than just the links. Do you know what this is?

well, you've got the wrong selector
..notes a:hover
oh wait
nevermind
no, I can't help
ok, works everywhere now. Thanks a million
I just had to give it layout for ie.

logixoul, I think you were right. That seems to work very well

um, it only makes links red when you hover them
I thought you wanted ALL links to become red when you hover the div
but okay
glad I could help

logixoul, well, that is what I had with the code before - ALL links would go red when hovering over the div that contained them
logixoul, but you have given me what I wanted - great thanks!

np
you should dust off the selector syntax book

logixoul, yes, I am picking it up!
the book that is!
how do I negate a font style that is set at italic?
as in make it normal?
non-italic

font-style: none or font-style: normal I guess
or font-style: regular

but what if I wanted to keep the bold that is set on it?

it's unrelated
it's set by font-weight

sorry, I mean oblique

hmm
you actually use oblique?
I thought no fonts supported that
what does it look like?

well, it's an example.
it looks like bold!
actually it is bold and italic
so that defeats my question, I think

heh heh
indeed

but you know what I mean, is there a way to reverse a property that can have an array of properties assigned to it?
I mean reverse a value of a property without reversing the whole array

any recommendations for a great looking, easy to implement horizontal css menu?

http://devthought.com/cssjavascript-true-power-fancy-menu/
for difficult enough values of "easy to implement"
I mean it's easy but there's a lot of crap to strip off to get it to be nice.
bah. I got so involved in this layout thing that I ate all the chocolate cookies I had decided to leave alone. No six pack for me :-S

logixoul, LOL!!!

how can i tell a div to expand to fit it's contents'? i'm talking about div#header in http://awareness.org.il

looks fine to me
which is the problematic div?
ah
nevermind, sorry

i would like the #main_menu to be below the #header

God, I hate it when there're like 40 style sheets to one page

i gave #header a some padding and a border so its overflowing the parent div

any other suggestions for horizonal menus with a cool drop down feature?

no. I hate drop downs
so you want the menu items (light green) to be completely outside the header (blue bordered), but just below it?

exactly

im trying to redesign my web app.. i have 2 tiers of menu options.. what would you recommend for a menu?

"tiers"? what's that? 2 levels?

i am thinking that if the div would expand to fit it's contents, then i would get what i want

i suck at layout stuff, my strength is in the back end coding
but layout is extremely important!

indeed

I would probably recommend to restructure everything so there's a simple flat menu and a separate, clever, way to navigate the intricacies of the webapp.
other than that, I cannot say. I never did that kind of stuff.

Drop down menus aren't all bad.
;google suckerfish
No google bot? Hm.

think about it, massage the right side of your head, imagine how it should look like, draw it on paper…

http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/

ya ive been sketching out possible designs

has 29px padding. kill that, for starters.

or wait, maybe not.

it has 1em padding

right.
ok, I'm disoriented now. you might want to make a simple testcase.

ZombieLoffe

i have two divs. one has quicktime movie… the second i wnt to place above the movie. no matter what i do (they are both absolutely positioned) the one i want on top is below the movie …
any ideas on z-index?

]z-index
]css z-index

css z-index: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-z-index

that does not help me.

]above flash @ e319

to make something above a flash object use wmode windowless or transparent. (wmode="transparent")

huh?

this works only in MS Windows, and I'm not sure if it only applies to flash

e319, you aren't one of those people who puts graphics on top of movies so you have to click them to see the movies are you? God I find it annoying when that happens!

no, just a next/prev button when you mouse over

e319, I stand corrected! You obviuosly care about your users
;-)

it will only appear when the invisible div over the left or right side of the quicktime movie is mousedover
any ideas?

e319, that will be a cool effect when you do it, but I can't help I am afraid
I don't know the answer

well shouldnt the quiicktime movie div be z-index: 1, and the div above is z-index: 2; ?

guys is there a internet page which gives every single attribute property in a table or list in a single page? For instance, if I wanted to find all the possile values for font-style etc

]schools

www.htmlhelp.com/ , http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ , www.brainjar.com/ , www.htmldog.com/ , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/

web developer extension for ff hal

e319, I have that - what do you mean? Where will I find it?
e319, are you saying that the web developer hosting can show a list of all the available properties for an attribute?

based site ;p

it does the first several times.
same with table based sites.

based one

e319, cooo-eeey!

bbl

e319, are you still there? Would you mind explaining your last statement please?

er, *obviously* he's not here…

logixoul, those pages don't give me exactly what I am looking for so far - I am still looking through them though

ok. there's better places for what you need, but I don't remember them. try googling "css cheatsheet".

im changing the font with inline css of a paragraph
the font change is displayed in the dreamweaver display, but not in firefox or IE
whats happening?

give url

logixoul, actually this one is pretty good http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/css/properties.html
logixoul, thank you very much for telling me about it

ah! i don't get it… how come div#main_menu is on top of div#header and not below it? http://awareness.org.il

could you create a testcase?

i am creating a testcase but it comes out right

that's good

i can't recreate the problem

it means you only need to retrace your steps of snipping the real page and see which one fixes it
I do that all the time.

divs are expanding downwards to contain their contents

and some text, the text floats to the bottom of the DIV, how do i make it display at the top ?

img {float:left} if I understood you right.

div is like img.h height. the text is like img.h/10. all the text.y starts at div.h-(img.h/10) i want it to be at div.y+1

can someone tell me , why IE6 kept stretching div if it had overflow ?

you want it to be next to the upload your images online then?
or overlapping the image?

http://innonesen.se/cuts/deco/ ?
logo is floated

logixoul, yes next to it, at the img's top, not bottom.

aaah
img {vertical-align: bottom}

ehh .. nevermind , its useless anyway

er, top

Hiya. I'd like to use @page { margin: 0in; } to make sure that there are no margins in the printed copy of the page, but, at least in IE7, it doesn't seem to work. Should it?

I think you need to put that in a stylesheet for which you have specified media="print"

anyone here worked with CSS pull down menus, specifically IE issues with them?

I just did that and still no luck

why is my logo above the text and not on the same line with it? http://awareness.org.il

dunno then.

hi
is it possible to apply a css property to all children of an element?

some properties are inherited by default and some are not

start removing irrelevant crap from your html and css and after every small edit, test the page to see if it's been fixed. At some point it will get fixed, and then you will know what the problem was.
yes. example: div * {} selects all children of div
and, as DawnLight noted, you can just use div and rely on inheritance
….for some properties

Hello, I am wondering how to get my text to the right of the picture on the webpage at http://www.uniquelynorth.com/Uniquely_North_Web_Template.html

float the img left

I'm developing CSS pull-down menus, and I'm having an issues with csshover.htc and IE6, the code seems to work fine in FF and IE7 … but in IE6 i get a massive block of repeated background (though the pull-downs do work)
http://dev.mcmastertek.ca/webdata/mcmastertek/header.php

logixoul okay, thanks, if i float the image left, then the white background around it ends at teh bottom of the text, not at the bottom of the image, what is the correct way to have it include the image please

I developing a form that has a fieldset hidden and then is made visible if Other is selected for company name. Oddly when the fieldset is made visible (display: inline) it appears but oddly it does not use the inline CSS I have set within that fieldset. Any ideas how to fix this? http://www.venmarces.com/signup.html

#whiteBackgroundThing {overflow: auto}

Oddly this problem appears to be only in Firefox and IE6 seems to work fine. Maybe I've found a CSS bug in Forefox I have no idea.
you can see that the form is nicely laid out but when Other is selected as the Company Name you see the other part of the form appear all messed up.

God morgon
er
wrong channel

heh

ay
http://paste.css-standards.org/23528

]center @ BlackLabelled

CSS Horizontal Centering: http://www.zoffix.com/css/center.pl , http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/

thank you

was the margin-left & right incorrect?

it only works in some cases

ok thank you… as for the scrolling… any ideas?
i am working in quorks mode btw

do you or do you NOT want the background to stay on the same place on the screen?
quirks mode? dude. this is gonna be more headaches than fixing your page and working in Standards mode. mark my words.

okay thank you

I know i know… i already realized the center is due to a IE bug in quorks
quirks*

okay

i am not really sure how to put it into standard mode.. ive read but im just gettin frusterated…

make it validate

it did

insert a doctype

ok
3rd step.. validate with doctype?

well, just swap steps 1 and 2

that works very well thank you

k ill give it a shot
brb with more questions momentarily

has anyone here worked with csshover.htc for CSS pulldown menus with IE6?

logixoul… it validated with a doctype surprisingly… im going to play around and see if i can fix it up

aha

center works now
looks good in IE except for one little defect… but FF is messed… and ive been coding it in FF lol - ironic
http://blackl.trap17.com/ - could you gimme some direction for the FF defect?

I don't see no defect
other than a poorly contrasting logo

lol yea it sucks
regardless, you cant see a difference in IE/FF?

I don't have IE handy

oh.. well the background of the content is white
not grey

ooh
you need to setup a background colour
FF does not assume its white

nonon i did

no, you didn't for #content

content/adright are in container that was a bgclr defined

yup but content floats

oh.. hehe ive never really used float before

you need #container {overflow: auto}

by the way what resources do you use to read about web design trends?

hehe tanaoa… overflow: auto worked

most excellent

your method almost worked… but then my float #adright didnt cover all the way to the bottom
thanks alot everyone

I tend to pick up most relevant stuff at slashdot and del.icio.us
and while googling for unrelated stuff.

heh
just looking for ideas

Tanaoa any tips for the color of the text on my !@^$y logo

hehe im red/green colour blind, not the one u wana ask for colour choices.

trying to come up with an idea of how the front page of a website (ecommerce) should be structured

though not red/black
im trying to figure out why my rollovers arnt cooperating in IE6

actually its just a gradient red

the same code ive used on other sides, fixed the IE issue

what type of img you using

its a pure CSS pull down menu

I would make the text pure white with a white glow. turning black with a black glow on hover.

jpg i belive

k ill try it out
jpg should work fine, not sure

Ohh, my web game made it onto http://ajaxian.com/

Help, I have have a inside div

its not a graphic issues its an IE6 handling issue
the code works fine in FF and IE7

to the right

Can anyone help me?

the whole :hover missing
but the menus are working now in IE6, but its displaying the background image over and over for about 4"

margin-left: auto

Thanks a lot! Works just what I wanted.

lol

np
hi virhilo

7s bad too but at least it works

how to eliminate space above 'h1/2/3/4' elements? (margin and padding are 0)

line-height:1em
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who have friends.

thx-but space is still there

does anyone know how to proporly use CSS only pull down menus?
cas this is just getting on me nervs
ive gotten the IE conditional statement in, and the menus respond
but it still blocks the first 4" with repeated background

try firebug

firebug?

a firefox extension
looks nice now. might wanna set border:0 tho.
funny how the black label is white, at any rate.

yes. try firebug

Hello, can a submit button be made smaller? and a text input made shorther, i know it can be made less wide by specificying the character count… thanks

how can i make the div#header centered? or another question… why isn't it centered? http://awareness.org.il

#submitButtonThing { width: 10; height: 10 }

logixoul, you forgot units

right
#submitButtonThing { width: 10px; height: 10px }
same for text input

you'll want to change the font-size: too

depends on the button size he wants I guess.
or, actually, you're right.

okay thank you both

hi. im trying to repeat a backroung image vertically, but only in one row at the top
how do i do that? i tried background-repeat: repeat-x, but it still seems to place it in the middle too

testcase needed

hu?

make a simple page demonstrating the problem and give an url to it

http://83.2.28.178/~virhilo/rekrutacja/ any ideas to delete space up to 'Notka informacyjna' text? (i want to it will be on a level with (dotted)frame in the left)
?

hmmm
logixoul, i thnk my problem is more specific, coz the test case works fine… im gonna fiddle some more

hint: start removing irrelevant crap from your html and css and after every small edit, test the page to see if it's been fixed. At some point it will get fixed, and then you will know what the problem was.

logixoul, thnx

i don't understand exactly what space?

space above 'Notka

element

you see the frame on left from it?

#wrapperColLeft?
virhilo?

hmm..
the #wrapperColRight have a fame on the left

im tryin to redesign a layout w/ a logo plus navigation bar… anybody have suggestions ?

]layout @ acnfcc

element is below that frame- that's my problem

what do you mean by frame? i don't see no frame
i see mainly divs

logixoul, turns out to be a missing ;

]validate @ blimpdude

dotted frame bethen columns

thats called a border

yes-sorry

so whats the problem?

element 'Notka informacyjna'

is is below that frame

no, its just fine
you are talking about one pixel… ?

yes
few pixels

thats because the font has a height that is determined by the the highest letter

N is not highest letter?

i don't know
but anyway, why is this so important?
it looks like it should
if you insist…

becouse website must be the same as upload your images online which project

h2 {line-height: 12px} seems to make it work but its not a good solution

thx-yes-so maybe i will try dedine it in %
'define

don't spend too much time on it

hehe i will try

scroll bumps to the right in FF but not IE?

]paste

http://paste.css-standards.org , http://www.webdevout.net/test , http://erxz.com/pb/ , http://sial.org/pbot/ , http://tnx.nl/scribble.plp , Upload images: http://oxihosting.com/pupload/

hey im trying to use the [if IE] condition

Lol

but I need to be able to have all ie under 7 ignore some js but i need ie 7 and all other browsers to follwo it

brandonm, so was I
brandonm, I need FF conditionals - seemingly none exist :[
but I did find some links you may like
1] http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html
2] http://css.weblogsinc.com/2006/07/24/conditional-css-not-just-for-ie/

]condcoms @ brandonm

do non ie browsers even notice the if ie comments?

Blah, I suck at _ZofBot.

Well, using some js

]cc

http://haslayout.net/condcom

]fsdfsdfsd

The hell. Why's he support ]cc and not ]condcoms? :

ZombieLoffe, -_ZofBot3- Cancelled send: Nothing was found. Try searching http://xrl.us/wcdx
RTFM

Clearly.

How do I place text in the vertical center of a div? I *need* it to work for Internet Explorer 6 since this involves a warning for IE6 users to upgrade to a newer / better browser

brandonm, it's just a regular HTML comment for anything that doesn't support it

Usually I don't care about IE6 users, so I'm not going to put hacks here and there to make the site work, just insert this warning

dazjorz, how much text and does that div have height?

im just wondering if i put if IE 7 if mozilla will ignore the js file

Multiple lines and yeah, 120 px because there's a 120 px image in the front

I dont want it to

]vertcenter @ dazjorz

CSS Vertical Center: http://zoffix.com/zoffix/css/vertcenter.shtml , http://reisio.com/examples/vertcenter/

Thanks

http://www.zoffix.com/new/abscenter.html that one is IE only. And works pretty good. Just use condcoms to show it to IE only
]z cc @ dazjorz

IE Conditional Comments: http://haslayout.net/condcom
a href="http://haslayout.net/condcom"http://haslayout.net/condcom/a

Well a problem is

dazjorz, I just have a link "Get a better browser" to http://browsehappy.com
Like on zoffix.com

I've already got vertical align, and it works fine right here (Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Linux) - on a friends' browser, Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Windows, it *doesn't* work: the text is below the window
Now this is not exactly a huge problem, since it displays for IE6 only…

Why do you need to display "Upgrade your browser" for non-IE browsers?

but if anything, I'd like it to work on any browser, not just IE6, even if it's meant for IE6 people only
bbut if anything, I'd like it to work on any browser, not just IE6, even if it's meant for IE6 people only/b
Only if there's no way to do that, I'd make it IE6 only
Another problem, is that I don't have access to IE6 at the moment

Sure there is a way.. display: table-cell; vertical-align: middle;

I'd need to go to a specific location, to have access to IE6
Yeah, I read that

dazjorz

but does display work on ie6?

not table*
That's why you need hacks for IE

I was afraid of that…

man, I need to study _ test in an hour

okay good luck, I'll keep trying

hehe- % works in firefox but px works in opera o_O

hi
I want to use CSS font embedding
any thoughts on this?

I have no idea how that works

it doesn't

….

it's been deferred to css3 fonts

css3 fonts?
?

]css3 fonts
]css3 font
css3

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext

]css3

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work
a href="http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work"http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work/a

4th time's a charm
flash text replacement sounds like the worst idea ever

Using overflow, is it possible to achieve the same effect as inline frames wherein the scrollbars will only become visible when needed.

yes. overflow:auto

Hmm, I tried auto
let me start a fresh page

may vary between browsers…

You also need to set a width and height on the object

]css overflow

http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visufx.html#propdef-overflow

otherwise it will just expand

ok but the question is this
does CSS support some sort of cross-browser embedded font technology, now?

i see

which is why I use http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext

but that's a huge article, so i don't know what ur talking about.

your problem. read if you want.

but it talks about images
and workarounds
ugly.

cry me a river.

what about WEFT?

probably ms only

ur right
ms only
but ok, if I do use Javascript for font embedding,
…. there's nothing that's going to add extra load on the server?

hello people
i m trying to fix a "double header" in a small project i m doing.. www.minimalism . I m having a hard time arranging the two divs as you can see leftheader and rightheader
www.minimalism.gr (sorry)

http://yawgm8th.wuputah.com/cam/

absolute positioning
0

for me?

Note that the solution I tried on the page you mentioned, http://www.zoffix.com/zoffix/css/vertcenter.shtml, does not work for me: the text is at the top of the div, instead of in the center (http://starez.org/browsertest.php)
@http://starez.org/browsertest.php

yes…

(starez.org/br…) HTML: Validator Error (see http://tinyurl.com/3yptp3 ) | CSS: Valid [15 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/ywdpzt ) | DOCTYPE: Network Error | (MIME: Error)

oh no, it doesn't validate at all

i'm trying to create buttons similar to the ones in http://www.awareness.org.il/page4.jpg using only css with -moz-border-radius but i seem to have some problems with the padding. can anyone point me to an example of this?

since it's a test page that'll be removed when this piece is done

somewhat better now

anyone know if Lynx is vista compatible?

somewhat better?
looks fixed to me

check it ,the one is over the other

hmm, what do you mean over?

both are aligned left

Hello

for me, both the square and the rectangle are on top

agamemnus but the square should be left

rectangle first and square later

I see overflow works when I just made a fresh page. But on my existing project, the auto overflow div is showing grey'd out scrollbars [as if not available but still there] Ideas?

and rectangle right
agamemnus refresh changes are online

ummmm so did you just set the padding to 0?

If i need put an class to a single text, can i use class="myclassHello World!/class??

it does add extra load to the server - images are generated and transferred.

ffox
agamemnus and positioning absolute!

alright….. thanks logixoul…
mnmlsm, you didn't set the left attribute, did you?
and if you did, did you use 'px'?

agamemnus float:left and float:right accordingly
position:absolute;
padding:0ox;
px

i don't think that float:left works with position:absolute
try taking out the position:absolute
maybe it will still work

nop
worst now

i'm not really too good with this positioning stuff

hmm i think its something with the container

are you sure float:left works with absolute positioninng?

My calendar renders improperly in IE (big surprise) but properly in firefox? a littlet help? http://admin.frommfamily.com/calendar_json

no clue

take them out
see what happens
too big grey box? also, it's "from" not "fromm"

huh? no, its Fromm

It's not that bad in IE, is it? Just missing the top right rounded edge.

That's the name of the company Fromm Family Foods

And the bottom right corner..

yea well it extends all the way to the right
Render in Firefox, that's my desired look

Not with my IE… IE7?

oh, well it's happening in IE6
the grey box is stretching to the far right side of the screen (and obv the corners are not rendered)

helloRobot
try this:
body, p, div {margin:0; padding:0;}
also check the warnings that mozilla gives
maybe the IE only styles that mozilla doesn't read are causing the problem

sorry, i had an important phone call
i will try now
those are already in effect
i use Eric Meyer's reset.css

What's the best way to create a shadow around a block?
Not an image.. But like a block that would contain all of the page's contents.

I'm confused with your question pauliukas
Possible to have IE6 AND IE7 on same computer?

hellorobot, try switching positions of your appendChild?

]]Multiple IE

[Google] http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE (More results: http://tinyurl.com/26hb7b )

Imagine a big block on the page.. A block is created by a div.

oh wait, wrong person.

appendChild?

right. nvm

ah, ok

I want to have a shadow around the block.
Let me show a screenie.

does anyone know how to force a div to have p's that are only on one line?

agamemnus, white-space: nowrap ?

thanks i'll try

www.minimalism.gr renders ok on IE but a small prob in FF
the next div (menu) overlaps the headers…strange
something with overflow

heh

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8242/shadowbu5.png
Something like that.

I'd tell you what it is, but you are on my black list…..

A shadow around a block.
Who's on the blacklist? Me?
How did that happen?

Zoffix it ll just take 2' more to find it

what blacklist

good for you\

Zoffix 2'..like the gaps between your sleeps

lawlz

perv

agamemnus, my blacklist… mnmlsm been an asshole to me, so I don't help him anymore

dont cry bitch

mnmlsm, whatever that means….

mnmlsm…

But could you, perhaps, help me?

mnmlsm, heh, why would I? It's not me asking for help

mnmlsm… probably because you set no padding on it too
and it needs padding
idk

hey, anyone have Safari here?

i could
if I wanted to
Safari 3 is cross-browser supposedly

agamemnus nop

err
cross-OS
mnmlsm, take out your padding:0
and does the problem go away?

ok then zoffix

Anyone?
Is everyone just ignoring me?

there?

"lvl1submenu.style.whiteSpace = 'nowrap'" doesn't work

mnmlsm, idk… if you take out the other one then it should work

agamemnus removed all pad's 0

dazjorz, then you did it wrong.. it works just fine on my page

positioning:absolute
er just take out stuff that you added till you find out where the problem started

could you try to take a look at http://starez.org/browsertest.php ?

hehe thats the prob..it was there from the start

paulinkas what is your problem?
mnmlsm, like at the very beginning?

]rounded @ pauliukas, use this technique to fake it

rounded: http://www.smileycat.com/miaow/archives/000044.html http://fumle.dk/public/webdev/round-corners/

before you posted here?

i just edited this thingie

before you started changing things, did you have the problem with the moz/IE inconsistency?

I want to create something like this: http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8242/shadowbu5.png

i didnt check i just made the double header thing

I can see it works great for your site, but it doesn't for mine, and I fail to understand why (maybe it has something to do with the image? :/ )

But these are rounded corners…

a black box with "my website on top"?
""

Yes. But shadows going from the black box.

pauliukas, well, a shadow is just a border, no?

Seem that?
Yes.

pauliukas, so if you can get images as borders using those techniques, you can set up a drop-shadow

So I should have a div surrounded by 8 other divs?
for each corner?

mnmlsm, just check the properties… one of them is different

agamemnus where?

pauliukas, you don't need 8, no. you can probably get by with two or three

okay…
I got an idea.

mnmlsm, one of the new elements you added is different somehow in IE/moz
mnmlsm, prob. cause you didn't set a setting and IE/moz set it for you

agamemnus it was buggy from scratch..
i 'm adding/removing till i make it work

mnmlsm, if ur using any javascript to align your images… that might help figure it out

no js

mnmlsm, idk, check the warnings that moz. gives then…
it throws out IE only properties, so one of them is making the look different

its something on the menu div
i have margin-top:10px but in "top" it gets the top of the page..
not the previous div…
(header)

i think i will install a separate copy of windows (in parallels) just for IE7

agamemnus no related warnings errors

mnmlsm…
there are 3

concerning something else

i don't know

i do

can anyone tell me why this doesn't work??
lvl1submenu.style.whiteSpace = 'nowrap'
(((((

im tryin to redesign a layout w/ a logo plus navigation bar… anybody have suggestions ?

I have a DIV with a fixed height of 180mm, this DIV contains a single table, i would like the table to fill all the DIV, including borders for cells (this is for an invoice media="print")
the table may be almost empty

still round logixoul

min-height is not helping

Is there a GUI CSS and/or HTML validator app for OS X?

I'm using a table to display some data. Can i make the border of a cell change color when the mouse hovers over it?

sure
I can run you through it really quick if you want

he'd need JS for that

I understand
I'm still willing to help

… just thought I'd mention it

you ever use jQuery?

nope

Best thing that's happened to me since I started learning web dev

I've thought about it, but … well, I don't do much JS stuff except for TiddlyWiki

to make those cells a diff color: $('#my_table td').hover( function(){ $(this).css('border', '1px solid #c00'); }, function(){ $(this).css('border', ''); } );
thats it!

hmm
interesting
what exactly does the $() do then

basically $(SELECT THE ELEMENTS TO EDIT USING CSS SELECTORS) .hover( RULES FOR ONMOUSEOVER, RULES FOR ONMOUSEOUT)
$() is the factory function
$() can do anything
it can create an element, select a group of elements

heh - how bloated is jQuery

not at all
22KB compressed

no shit?

jQuery leaves it up to plugins to add extra functionality
no shit
jquery.com
this is a calendar i'm building using jQuery
http://admin.frommfamily.com/calendar_json

is there some kind of overview of the different JS frameworks - sort of "if you do stuff x, take jQuery; if you do stuff y, take MooTools"?

if you do anything, jQuery
that's what i've found out
there's a plugin that suits it
if you need it

hi all

check out #jquery too

sounds good

i've set li as inline in a div but it go over it content is one one line. any idee what's going on ?

element correctly.

I don't want the underline to show up, nor do I want it to change colors if it is active.

link?

sigh

ags\afk, a:link, a:active, a:hover, a:visited { text-decoration: none; color: blue; }

I gots it
ur too late
thanks anyway….

I didn't know you could stack 'em like that, though

]css selectors

http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html

]selectoracle

http://gallery.theopalgroup.com/selectoracle/

oooooh one more.
I guess I would need to use javascript for this but…

http://www.archlinuxfr.org/paste/800/

let's say I have two links, and either one or the other is color X
depending on which one is clicked

please clean up that code and paste it here;
]css paste @ benoitc

Paste FULL CSS Code AND HTML code so we could VIEW your page. Incomplete code is useless: http://paste.css-standards.org , http://www.webdevout.net/test , http://paste.zoffix.com/

any way to do that with CSS?

use classes?

auto doesnt appear to work in IE… what do i do?
www.uniquelynorth.com/Uniquely_North_Web_Template.html

]]]overflow

overflow http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css#support-css2propsbasic-overflow (IE 6:41.667%) (IE 7:50%) (FF 1.5:91.667%) (FF 2:91.667%) (Opera 8.5: Y) (Opera 9: Y) (Konqueror 3.5: ?) (Safari 2:
?))

hmm, so I could change some other class's attribute inside a {} ?
jaybird7:

i just paste the code in question. it do it in one empty page

use overflow on the html
not on the body
with HTML 4.01
if you're worried about scrollbars at least

what do you mean, depending on which one is clicked

like…
….

like you'd get with a:active

a.l1:clicked (or whatnot) {l2.color:red}
a.l2:clicked (or whatnot) {l1.color:red}

javascript

a.l2:clicked (or whatnot) {l1.color:red; color:yellow}
can't do it with CSS?

okays

unless you use the :active pseudo-class

you can't have a ruleset inside a ruleset

ah found my problem… no space in text. So it stay one line
thanks anyway

thanks

or what do you mean

hi fkin gnus, how do i make buttons be flat and have a nice cool border, u know, i tried .input but no effect in ie and ff, any ideas?

can anyone tell me what the problem with http://awareness.org.il/divexpand.html is? firefox won't display anything while konqueror does…
oh now its ok
nevermind

i'm back!
Zoffix yo! \o
guys. I have a div with float:left. then i want to add text under this div. but it flows on the right side of the floated div. how can I move the text down ?

]css clear @ YammYgirlcoding

css clear: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-clear

too confused link
oh. i think i found. clear: left
thanks preaction ! "^^

I'm drawing a blank, but is there a way to have a div positioned relatively, but not alter any of the divs around it? (i.e. I'm making a tooltip thing with javascript)

a div positioned relatively doesn't alter any of the divs around it.
if you *want* it to alter them, you need position:absolute
well, in the case of a tooltip, you need position:absolute in any case.
(if it's the kind of tooltip I'm thinking of)

Hello, What is the best way for me to get the goose picture where it is, the Email List signup centered, and the storefront picture on the right side at the same level as the goose picture? should i use absolute positioning? right now i have all three under a div that is text-align:centered with
the goose pic float: left and the building pic float: right, http://www.uniquelynorth.com/Uniquely_North_Web_Template.html

it's ok as it is.
this buffet is scarying me though.

question…
in IE, I can get the width of an element that has already been loaded
in mozilla, I have to refresh
what's up with that?

what buffet? and for me it doesnt show up right, the email list is off center and the building pic is too far down on the page
oh sorry
why is that scarying you

because it's tilted in a way suggesting it's gonna fall on my head and squash me
also, it has ghastly colors
you're right though, the email thing is off center.
hmm.
well, I don't feel like debugging this
try firebug.
ask in ##javascript I suppose

jquery.com
it will fix all your javascript nitpicky issues

have you tried Mootools? if so, how does jquery stack against it?

jquery is superior in speed and architecture
#jquery for any specific questions

ok, thanks

logixoul:
jquery is so elegant you will love it
so fast too. the just released 1.1.4 which compares its speed to its previous version.. it's just getting better and better

i have firebug but i dont know how to use it to figure this out, and i dont know what it means when it strikes though certain text, and thanks for what you have done

it strikes through it because it's overridden by another property

when it;s striking through css, that means that style is being overwritten by a different definition

I'm bothered by mootools' speed, so this will be welcome. Reading up…

ninjawords.com/override,overwrite there HAS to be a difference

okay thank you both

i hated javascript and everything associated with it until jquery. now i seriously love it!
I know i probably sound like a nut.. but honestly.. It's re-ignited the passion in javascript for me
hahah

same with Mootools for me… we'll see about this one

thanks, that worked

no problemo.

http://www.uniquelynorth.com/question.PNG and here is the page http://www.uniquelynorth.com/Uniquely_North_Web_Template.html

you need lots of floats.

the picture of the front of the building is floating right, and the picture of the piece of furniture is floating left…

any idea why two tables with float:left;clear:none; will behave appropriately in ie6 but not firefox?
appropriately meaning, in ie they are side by side, but firefox they are clearing each other
http://74.103.17.103/unt.html
i know inline css is bad, but this is a simple example, this was done to save time
so in firefox, no worky, ie6, worky

Why does float only have left and right? If it's going to have more than just "float" shouldn't it include more directions ?

you mean like "West 20degrees South"? the answer is because you dont need it

center

your align="center" is what's causing it not to work in ff
if you remove that, then it floats left

Does anyone know what bug in IE6 causes the spacing error of the LI's used in my sidebar? (http://www.browsercam.com/projects/372158/12580761.png / http://www.steamstudios.com/freelancer/justin/r21/about/index.html)

there are bugs in IE6?

duh

Your li looks fine to me

pts, in ie6?

do you just mean that the list isnt as low as on you rpicture?

It works great in every other browser under the sun, but has incorrect spacing in IE6 (check out the browsercam .png)

In your picture and in firefox.. looks same?!

In IE6 there appears to be 2 pixels of space between each LI. That problem does not occur in any other browser http://www.browsercam.com/projects/372158/12580761.png)
pts\5: There is 2px of space between the LI borders in your FF? (perhaps I should take a screenshot from a Win FF)

Wow. People pay for that stuff?

lol, seemed like a great service, but I wouldnt pay for it :

Browsercam? Yeah, I can't rationalize paying for it. I'm still using up my old email accounts

There are free quivalents…
Just putting it out there..

2px of space _
You know there are over a thousand pixels going up and down

The only other option that I have found is http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/

http://browsershots.org/
Enjoy.

I have an old Mac PPC, so my options for IE6 are quite limited. (Damn Microsoft again for crippling VirtualPC for the PPC chips)
pauliukas, many thanks!

many welcomes.

lol I love dillo
and kazehakase
There aren't many webcore browsers on linux..

oh sorry i missed the IE part i was looking in firefox

thanks a lot

zenergi is your pic of the problem?

Hmm. I think Browsershots is OSS.

yes, that .png should illustrate the 2px gap between the LI's

Maybe I should create a bunch of VMs and put it on a machine…

okay im not sure, in the pic it looks like the bottom border is closer to the LI then i see in firefox.. is that what you mean?
or dont waste your time on me since i probably cant help anyways heh

hello cawl
Cawl
http://www.uniquelynorth.com/question.PNG and here is the page http://www.uniquelynorth.com/Uniquely_North_Web_Template.html

hey, I take help wherever I can get it, I'm no expert either. My intention is to have it look as it does in FF and Safari, without any space between the LI borders.

is it possible to set a width\length value for a div, but still allow it to expand as much as nessairy to contain the content inside it?

overflow ?

okay maybe i see what your talking about now, you mean how there are like two lines under each LI and you want those two lines without the space between them

pts\5, was that directed at me?

Yeah

exactly, but those lines do not appear in any other browser. WHy?

how do I stop overflow?

stupid IE6

Ah.. I think you want to allow it, don't you?

in other words, how do I expand the div to contain all the content.
pts\5, no vice versa.

You want the div to expand

yep
but still set a width\length value.
height*

okay.. sorry no idea

http://w3schools.com/css/pr_pos_overflow.asp

what exactly are you having problems with? Perhaps, I can help you.

Does that look helpful?

pts\5, thanks.

cool.

it does.

Sup with a 40px left pad being defaultly added to my unordered lists?

pts\5, no it doesn't

What doesn't what?

I don't want to hide it or add a scroll bar, I want it to expand as nessairy.

visible ?

visible Default. The content is not clipped. It renders outside the element
I want it to render inside

did you look at my picture? i just have things not in the places i want them, and i dont know how to do it, i want the email list sign up to be in the middle, the picture of the building to be up at the height of the goos picture and the picture of teh piece of furniutre out under the goose
picture and the text under the pictures

let me see if I can take what you have a give it a try. I think I can do what you're saying. Give me 15-20m to finish something up here.

min-height and min-width ?
Those are fields, right?

I want to set a default value for a div, so if the content is too little, the height lets say stays at 100 px, and if the content is heigher than 100px, it expands as nessairy.

min-height: 100px;

awesome thank you

pts\5, thanks man, I guess that's what I get for learning CSS from others' style sheets

Yeah, it is

np, I have received a ton of help from here. I have to return the favor sooner or later.

pts\5, can you help me out with something else?

Yeah, what is it?

http://gargantua.servehttp.com/tbbs//index.php?id=login
see teh ad at the end of the page?
why doesn't it stick by the border?

ah.. I see no ad anywhwere.

no?
javascript disabled?

okay I found it

why is it all the way up there?

Is script something you can edit in css? I suggest we find out

touch /dev/pts\5
:P

script?

with like.. script { position: relative; botto wtm
you .. tou oh
I felt kind of molested but I guess it's cool…

lmao

Like, you can describe html, body, p, and so forth with css

you know touch is a valid unix command

Yep I use it all the time.

what's it do?

makes a 0 byte file

My favriote is finger

with wahtever name you specify uh

I don't do finger
/bin/sh: finger: command not found
exactly
so anyway..

weird, thought it was a valid command.
well it's a valid irc command

script { position: relative; bottom: 0px; } or something like that?
IRC isn't unix
Sounds like hail outside..
0 -!- Irssi: process 0 (finger) terminated with return code

I did what you told me, same thing.
exept I made a div for it.

lol
did it move up the page?
From where it used to be?

no same position lol

absolute
and then fiddle around to try to .. center it..
;;;; maybe margin-left: 30%; margin-right: 30%;

oh yeah, that worked.
thanks a lot.

Just helpin a brother out

did you get my pms

I though only women get PMS.

does pm's work better?
not sure the proper way to do a plural of pm

That's grammatically incorrect, so no.
:P

I'd actually roll with pm's
like a's are nice letters, aren't they?

lol

I got two A's! I'm so joyous.
I'm going home.. bbl
6-7 hours from now . maybe more.

later
thanks for the help, once more

bye pts\5

hi again,is it possible to set a border such that the image moves up and to the left according to the border size?

are you still here?

is anyone here?
my border sizes are one pixel bigger in Firefox than in IE6
conspirashy

http://www.uniquelynorth.com/question.PNG and here is the page http://www.uniquelynorth.com/Uniquely_North_Web_Template.html

Agamemnus, 1) What's the size of the border. 2) What doctype are you using. 3) What makes you think they are 1px bigger?

Hello.

Say I wanted 3 divs within a div to be aligned horizzontal-centered?
Won't work right

never mind, i just used set px instead of "medium"
how can I get the width of a 'p'?

Agamemnus, "get"?
perlbot, x y problem

hmm, wrong window, but I was thinking of javascript

perlbot, problem

"It doesn't work" or any relatives is very vague and totally useless information. When reporting a problem let people know what is the expected result and what is the result you are actually getting

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September 22, 2007 at 5:40 am · Filed under JSP

* { margin: 0; padding: 0; } usually fixes behaviours like that

Tried it

border on form will do nothing it doesn't have one
the margin 0 should fix it

doh

hello, does anyone know a "ajax" script for showing photos right on the page when you click the thumbnail? I remember seeing a script before but don't remember the name

how do ya do a div w/o making it line break?
——-divTITLE/div——-
shows on 3 lines

use a span
not a div

k
thx

bai

lol

What is name of the RFCed format that stores html and all used images and scripts in one MIME file ?

MIME/multipart (maybe)?
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2387.html

any opinions on the wrapping of forms within fieldsets?

http://www.webaim.org/techniques/forms/ and http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-much-accessibility-fieldset-legends/ are both worth a read
also try not to ask the same question in multiple webdev channels on Freenode simultaneously, since many of us hang out in multiple channels and it increases the noise-to-signal ratio

how to generate a table-head looking like this one: http://pastie.caboo.se/91336

quichie question… what element and what attribute gives that effect that when you hover on *element* it shows you some text?
anything else except the img:alt ?

NaeRey_, i think alt the one
is the one

alt doesn't necessarily give you that effect
And many people consider that its doing so is a bug in IE

title always gives you that effect, and its value has priority over alt in IE
(well, always == in every GUI browser I've seen)
it's not technically required to be a tooltip

so I should do img title='some notes here' src='bbla'/

Probably you shouldn't put the notes in an attribute at all. It depends on how important they are.

i just need that effect, when user hovers he gets message…

and all img's need appropriate equivalent text in alt

preferrably w/o js

webben, can you help me?

What actually are these notes?

making a movie database, no space for addional notes for the movie (eg. movie is scratched).. so trying 'alternative ways'
and the hover seems good option… seemed

I think you should probably think about having a detailed one-movie view, rather than trying to shoehorn such information into tooltips that people won't necessarily notice.

hello

what's the image you're putting these tooltips on?

(well, if ther's ANY notes, ther's the NotesIcon, else no)

`html ul

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#edef-UL

was more thinking of tables

NaeRey_, it wasn't for you

i have a question
i have a list
and the elements in the list are divided in months and years
i want to add headers to each month and year

would be how to do it, if you really must go down that route.

will i have to split the list into a list per month
?

aight thanks

Or you could use a table since it's tabular data (columns, rows, etc)

webben, yeah, but i'd have to have multiple tables as well

or just multiple row groups?

but how do i add the headers?

Hard to say without more understanding of your data.
http://www.webaim.org/techniques/tables/ may help you
well more specifically http://www.webaim.org/techniques/tables/
* http://www.webaim.org/techniques/tables/data.php

ok, thanks

also have a careful read of the html spec's tables section
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/16/sector.html
and other tables on the funds site

This is the recommended DOCTYPE, right?
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"

Yes but you should probably use the strict DTD.

and this one is what? transitional?

No, that one doesn't seem to be anything specific.
This is strict:
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"

itsn't there a part missin ?
ah better

thx, I can put it all on one line, right?

Absolutely.

is Strict

so, I'm gonna use that.

Hilarious.

lol

I copy and paste directly from the strict DTD page.
And he tells me I'm wrong.
Alright, well, suit yourself.

logixoul first don't be rude on people helping you, especially when they are right… and next.. you have a declaration that implicitely desicide which doctype you will use… tyoma71 propose an explicit one

implicit

always, in every language, in every thing
so you KNOW what you doing instead of relaying on some hidden default behavior

meh. I didn't wanna be rude. sorry tyoma71.

It's alright.
StaZ|work is right though.

good point, I'll use the explicit one.

Don't trust the browser to pick the right default.

there, "trust" and "browser" shall not be put in the same sentence
9th law of physics.

i have an input { css } in my css file but it isn't working on the checkbox i have, everything else is fine… how come?

and in firefox it looks like normal black text, in IE it's horrible with like a gray colored and a shadow… how do I get normal text for IE?

color:black !important
to override the browser style

it actually in a css file…

doesn't matter, just add the !important before the ;

didnt
work

hmm
ask in #css

textarea { color:#000000 !important; }
i did
thet didnt answer

dunno then

hi !
http://galeriespacearts.selfip.org/
on the bottom, i want " galeries d'art sur e-annuaire " and the logo are more on the right
this html pages and css are validate OK
http://pastebin.ca/672528
html code
http://pastebin.ca/672529
css coder it's last id="annuaire"
i can't deplace it on the right
If somebody can tell me why ?

{text-align: right}
or do you only wanna offset it a little to the right?
if so, use {margin-left: 100px}
(you cannot use the left property like that because it doesn't work on statically positioned elements)

the site looks horrible, though

#annuaire {text-align: right;} ?

yep

logixoul, yes it's a woman who wabt open a art galery

aha

it's look bad
logixoul, is it an handicap to reference it if this site had just five pages ?

I don't get the question…?

humm….i want this site appears on google
it's a web site a little short (just five pages) look !
is it an handicap to reference it ?

google does index short sites, if that's what you're wondering.

ok
mhttp://galeriespacearts.selfip.org/ is not indexed

so submit it to them

i have alredy do that
but don't work

you might be banned for using techniques that appear like googlespam, but I doubt it. Just wait a week.

i resubmit iy last week
{text-align: right} or {margin-left: 100px} don't work
it's strange

ask in #css

ok
thanks logixoul

I want to link to an image, but i want it to download, not open, is this possible?

that's up to the user. They can e.g. right-click to download
alternatively, wrap the image hosting in a format most browsers don't try to open e.g. zip

yes, i thought of that, seems like the only option. im linking to high-res press photos, so i would want the users to save, also i don't want him to be taken away from the site to open, or a new window
thanks, think i'll do it like that

you simply need to serve it with the application/octet-stream mimetype
then it will be saved instead of displayed (by default)
….on most systems

Interesting. What are the major exceptions?

now that you ask me, I don't know of any. But I'm pretty sure there are some.
e.g. I believe Internet Explorer will sometimes display an image served with any mimetype as long as the url ends in a known image extension
or something

sounds like ie alright
i'll test it though

http://rfc.net/rfc1521.html#s7.4.1. , which is nice.
yeah IE tends to privilege file extensions over everythihng

yes, saw it
would it be something like, a href="" type="image/jpeg" …

no that won't work

you'll have to config the web server

you need to set the actual HTTP header served when a request is put through for that image

that's a no go

that type in a should basically be treated as a sort of hint to UAs to help users decide whether to download the link

i c, well then it's too much hassle

e.g. a link to a PDF could theoretically be given a PDF icon

ah
ok

it's not difficult with Apache

Im serving up alot of different sites, this is globally done, right?

global to what?

you need to put a .htaccess file only in the relevant dir, then it's local to there

ok
I'll look into that

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime.html for the relevant Apache configuration directives

thanks guys

webben: Works great, haven't tested with ie yet though

nice

are IPs valid in base href?

I'm pretty sure they are
but try it and validate
(of course you still need to prepend the protocol)

prepend?

http://1.1.1.1
you can't skip the http://

ohh, gotcha.
….and that's probably my problem.
yeah, that solved it.
you're my angel!
[/bleeding heart]

and you're… welcome

webben: Works in ie too, just thought i'd let you know

good

with a image file extension?

yes
..htaccess
method in the last post, if jpg ext, http://forums.site5.com/showthread.php?t=8871
if/with

cool

Are there any top-tier "web programmer seeking work" sites out there?

http://jobs.37signals.com/
oh wait you want the other way round

Aye, I'm trying to find a web programmer to work with me.

oh in that case, 37signals is a good bet

I suppose the Gig Board would be good as well.
A reverse site of 37signals would be good too, sort of like that programmermeetdesigner.com site but a bit more established.

Build one

Hah! The best sites are those that fill a gap for sure.
Which is the driving force behind my need to find a programmer.
You wouldn't be one eh? haha

Sorry, I've got a full-time corporate job. One other avenue would be to decide what sort of programmer you want, then see if you can find a forum which has gig postings etc for those skills.
e.g. for accessibility skills, you might go to: http://www.accessifyforum.com/forum16/

Ah that's very true. I'm myself a full-time corporate, though looking to moonlight as an entrepreneur.
Accessibility you say? I'm the company SME on it.

cool

I'd have to say my biggest hurdle at this point is deciding on the technical matters. PHP/Ruby/Python/etc. it's all Greek to me.

I think pretty much anything can be built with anything. All languages and frameworks have their sweet points and hellpits.
(well, okay, some really suck. but it's a matter of opinion which)

Definitely! I wish someone would put out a language/framework primer book for non-programmers like myself.
So that we can look at the pros and cons and then go, "This is type of technology I need."

I think an understanding of underlying issues (e.g. i18n, accessibility, the DOM, database optimisation, basic algorithms, MVC concepts, etc.) is probably more important. The frameworks tend to be trying to solve the same things in different ways.

Aye, for what it's worth, localization will be a big part of this concept.
You can be okay at the language and be great at the framework, but you'd want someone amazing at the language that can make the framework sing.

Just FWIW, I'd avoid Ruby for the moment when it comes to i18n. It's got no built-in unicode support. Note the unfun described here: http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/HowToUseUnicodeStrings
Stuff which seems to have decent I18N support includes Symfony (a PHP framework) and Python frameworks like Django. Perl and Java are also good choices because Perl is like an swiss-army knife and Java uses Unicode natively.

http://pastebin.ca/672676

Ah very nice, thanks for the insight webben. This is great information.
Sorry, was busy for a moment, you know, corporate such and such.

Hi - I'm designing a site; using CSS to specify a left and right side to the page. Works in FF but not in IE6.. Where would I Start?
In IE, right side just comes below left side
Margins are set correctly afaik

"IE COnditionnal Comments"
that will teach you how to make css for each browser, without hacks

I know of these, but I don't even know what the problem is here and why IE isn't displaying correctly

well, each version of IE since 5, and all other browsers.

AdamPal the prioblem is simple

Have you got a) Firebug and b) the IE Developer Toolbar?

No, I'll get those now

IE will add the padding and border to the width of your div… so if you specify 50% on each and border of 1 for example… you get in total 100% + 4 pixels (2×2 borders) so the second div will "wordwrap"
AdamPal i'm pretty sure that's your problem if you reduce your sizez a bit, they will fit

IE only adds padding and border if you're in quirks. Nobody should be authoring pages that trigger quirks.
Well, unless they're masochists.

oh…

Argh sorry

i'm sure i got such a problem in Transitionnal

For some reason today I keep stating that the wrong way round.
IE only adds padding and border if you're in standards mode.

which is… imho… WRONG
caus you can't specify 100% without overflowing
this is the stupidest thing i've ever seen
/rant

well, it's a lot more important that things be consistent than that they be right or wrong.

no, inconsistency can be fixed… this can't unless with fixed layout

sometimes inconsistency can be fixed, yes.

hm
Take a look at www.stoxpoker.com
Still tried adjusting the padding

br0ked in ff, in the top right corner
well personnally i'm notsearch that page to find the problem, make a test page with only the problem… focus is the mother of all fathers

Well that's exactly the addition thing StaZ|work mentioned.

Im not sure what I should be fixing though..

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html

Ok,
webben; do you see the issue?
great

anyone know how to hide object controls?

that's possible to create a href using some user/pass to access a file?^
s/that's/it's

I mean like object type="audio/x-wav" …

for me?

ha, for anyone who knows how to hide object controls

can u help me?
i'd like to create a link for access a file that is forbidden, and i'd like to set a user/password for this link access the file without type
help me xIke

without type?

without type user/password
understood?

not at all. I'm hearing that you want a user/password, and you don't want a user/password

no, listen.
i have a dir at my server that have a .htaccess and .htpasswd to request user/pass
when i have a direct access, i need user/pass
but i want to create a index, that when i click in a link, don't need user/pass

I'd put that index outside of the protected directory

something like a href="link" user="" password=""bla/a
yes xIke, it's outside.

oh, you want it to enter in the user/password for them?

but when i click at the link, it joins the protected directory,
yes xIke?
yes xIke!

I'm not sure if that's possible. why not just prevent external linking?

wouldn't that do exactly what you want?

no
but thanks.

it would make sure that the only way people could get there, is if they went from that index

how can i do this ?
brb, take a shower.

it's server-level, eg apache or IIS

apache

actually, you can do it with the .htaccess file
since you're already familiar with that, it shouldn't be too much more work

hello
quick question

tag?

at the .htaccess? how?

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum92/4284.htm

is there a way to put a form inside a table row without violating w3c?

not that I know of

yeah I didn't think so
that sucks

I usually wrap the whole table inside a form instead
then put elements on certain rows

yeah I have a table where a tr represents a single record in my db
the table is dynamically generated

ah
I do that a lot too

I'm having a problem with css for liinks

and a name=""

how can i change this?

curious what happens if you have multiple for elements with the same name?
is it against w3c to have text input type without a form?

who cares about w3c, if it works it works.
I mean, it's good for bugfixing
but, if it works, it works…

I'm trying to adhere on this

Against /which/ standards?
(W3C isn't some sort of monolithic standard. They publish a series of recommendations.)
Your question is answered at: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.2.1
(I think.)
bear in mind that to be compliant with WCAG, your page needs to work without JS too.

Does anyone know a good free web hosting service?

THere is no *good* free host.

a more or less good one.. can have banner, I don't care…

100webspace is *decent*
maybe 0catch.com

Is there anyway to make a iframes height expand to its content?

Anyone?

okay

what is the correct place to put script tags?

depends

for including a external js file

in the head is good, if that's suitable
ah, yes, in the head, then

script src="wherever.js" type="text/javascript"/script
more at ##javascript

hi, can someone look at the css at www.acappellablog.com/wp the header and body are shifted opposite of each other at 1024 x 768 resolution

;google sane css typography @ reisio

http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/

text/html; charset=UTF-8, text/html; charset=UTF-8)

!v http://www.acappellablog.com/wp
@http://www.acappellablog.com/wp

(www.acappella…) HTML: Failed (20 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2w8p9a ) | CSS: Failed (3 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2cc8g4 ) [113 warnings] | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Trans + url | (MIME: text/html; charset=UTF-8, text/html; charset=UTF-8)

]marquee
gah…forgot it again
]html marquee

it's non-standard

….I was not informed of that.

I've been meaning to make a nice JS for it
by incrementing/decrementing text-indent
lot of really horrible javascripts online for it
well, they're not all horrible, but all I've seen are fairly inelegant
the one on www.howtocreate.co.uk is probably decent enough
but hefty

supposed to be used for anyway? The tag was just mentioned to me

scrolling text
like the stock tickers at the bottom of news channels
that scroll information from right to left

….and what sort of combination HTML/CSS/JS is needed to replicate that?

like I said, I was thinking dynamically changing text-indent would be perfect
but you can do it lots of ways

It's probably worth looking into later

I have an XHTML page with many tables in a row, and inside the tables are four rows with varying numbers of columns. All the rows in the tables have at least two columns, and I'd like to give that first column a certain amount of fixed width in a percentage.

tags in the first column of each row to make them be at least certain percentage wide?

what browser support do you need?

Gecko-based, Konqueror and Opera would be nice
Don't very much care about IE.

;google night of the image map @ reisio

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/imagemap/

How do I put a background upload your images online in a h1 tag?

]ir @ jinx099

ir: www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/

non-css

why?

because I am learning html
h1 background=image.jpg

You are not doing yourself any favors by not learning CSS at the same time.

HTML was not meant to be decorative
CSS is for decoration
h1 style="background: url(path/to/image.jpeg);"

thanks, that worked. And I understand what you guys are saying.

it's about the same if you use a style attribute
but separating it out and not using that attribute is really nicer
even if it's just in a style element in your head

Is there a html tag/parameter that makes a link prompt to save a file instead of just open it?

I'm making a simple table (like on http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmlbeginner/tables/) how do i make the rows alternate in white and light grey, to make it easy for readers to read the rows?
If I want to have at least 7 character-spaces between column 1 and column 2 in a table, how do i do it? Should I move texts in column 2 to a brand new column 3, and have the now-blank column 2 as buffer space?

hi guys, i remember there were online renderers for like IE7, which render just like IE7 would. now i can find only IE NetRenderer, but i need one with multiple pages. any suggestions?

I'm trying to have a background image repeated on the y axis and a background color specified for the rest. How can I achieve this?

background-color:#fff; background-image:url(); and the usual repeat-y stuff, check css syntax
might also work with background:#fff url(..) repeat-y;

I had it almost right, I had background:url(); instead of background-image:url();
now it works
thanks

oki

anyone familiar with the canvas element?
I'm trying to figure out how to animate (rotate) an image

what program are u using
?

tag, basically

oh
no .gif?

i can do gifs, yar
but i wanted to do it dynamically with javascript and canvas

hey
sweet site
http://www.dhteumeuleu.com/
and i found what i was looking for

madness

yeah

Hey,
is it ok to have an empty DIV that you just use that will have a background-image in CSS?
or is there a preferred way of doing that?

for what purpose

it's just to have a background-image that will be a sort of … shadow of a DIV above it

not allowed inside dt? i need it for css formatting :-/

just like you'd use a dive

div*
just set dt id="yourIdHere" class="yourClassHere"

hmmmm. thanks, might be a solution.
thanks for that hint

hehe
np

Hi. The IE PNG Hack doesn't work for any images I create. Could anyone help? http://paste.css-standards.org/23657
(also asked in #css, no luck ;( )

interferes with some other css though but maybe i can fix that
hmmmpf. does not quite work. i have more nested divs in there
it's a rounded corners thing
substituting the spans with divs and setting them to display:block does not work, i don't understand why
dts can not be nested?

has to be the child of a dl

how can a definition be nested any way?

ahh thank you. *slaps head*

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seed
nor do I see handlers
i think you forgot to add handlers.inc or somethin'
brb

Looks like, yea.

!seen kentbye
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Hydralisk…
seen kentbye?

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question about themeing D6: can you pass an array in hook_theme()['something']['function']?

I think you can do function = array('object', 'method') to get standard method behavior but it'll have to be effectively a static method.
I'm figuring to have to drop out of OOness for the presentation layer. And that's ok.

drupal.org going down for a bit. upgrade

ah… is that why CVS isn't working?

try now, should be fine

seems like the passwd script failed…

hrm
well we need to find somebody that can look at things if there's a problem
dww is out of town

ping?

problem is w/ committing?

it's the standard problem with the script that generates the cvs passwd file

not sure what you mean

if it can't connect to the DB it writes an empty password file

just did a cvs up w/ no problems

can you cvs up as a non-annonymous users?
to contrib

no
hrm

well the good news is we just have to wait the next regen. it happens every 20 minutes

oh
well that's not a problem

yeah, it's just a pain

what do you mean it writes an empty passwd file — you mean on the server?

yeah

dww's been complaining about that script for a while. it removes the old passwd file then tries to create a new one. if it can't connect to the db you end up with an empty file
i keep telling him to put it in CVS so i can roll a patch to fix it.

we've been busy. i doubt it's very high on the priority list
that upgrade was a big sec/bugfix for project

oh, i know but it's one of those minor annoyances that
ends up eating up a bunch of time
yeah i assumed as much

is there an issue filed?

not that i know of
that would probably be the best way to pester him about it

dude, nothing's going to make it onto our radar that's not an issue
we've got an enormous laundry list of crap to do

oh i know i've been poking in the project queue

Is the CVS down?

cvs [checkout aborted]: no such user robloach in CVSROOT/passwd

the passwd file got corrupted

Whoa, that sucks.

i think a new one will be generated in about 8 minutes
it's all automated

OMG I can't wait 8 minutes!

hi webchick

Hey

we're now officially running a 5.x release of project on d.o

Yay!!
Nice work, hunmonk

dww and i have done quite a bit

does this have the statistics then?

Views 2 documentation via doxygen: http://v2.logrus.com/doc/html/index.html

I had literally just updated the modules used on page when I saw your issue
the other day

files are saved on new issue previews now — yay!

Haha, I saw that.
awesome. what was the problem?

and i changed it so it actually tells you the _name_ of the file that's already uploaded…

yay! db no longer shows it needs an update

no $node object available to stick the file in on new issues

seriously?

so now it uses the file api directly to check

you can preview?

if you preview a new issue, it remembers your uploaded file now, yes. and it even tells you it's name

if i ever see you and dww in person i'm buying you both a beer

now wasn't that worth 20 minutes of no commit access??

that's been my longest running drupal gripe of all time

it barely made it in

well it doesn't look like cvs is working…
so maybe you've got another issue on your hands

we were going to pass, but i figured out the issue at the last secoond
then we need killes, i guess

So every SoC this has to happen, I guess.
Right at the very end, the last possible 12 hours or whatever, CVS GOES DOWN.
Right at the very end, the last possible 12 hours or whatever, CVS GOES DOWN.

dww is out of town for 2 weeks
so…

so with cvs, it's not just me

CVS is working for me now?
or up is anyway.

anon works

Ah.

how about contrib?

Well that's all I need for now.

pong

Not sure. I haven't committed anything to any of my modules in a looooonnnngg time.

it says "no such user mikejoconnor…"

well two things, the cvs passwd file is screwed up again. and i've got another patch for you to try out.
well two things, the cvs passwd file is screwed up again. and i've got another patch for you to try out.

Goooooo drewish.

http://scratch.drupal.org/project-usage?sort=desc&order=Aug+11

col
I'll gladly mail you that script.

http://drupal.org/node/165380#comment-291350

Project, Usage statistics, normal, patch (code needs review), 11 IRC mentions

oh, please do.

weird. How come they're almost all basically doubled?
from one week to the next?

it's adding wrong on the version that's on s.d.o … as you just noticed
i just sent killes the fixed version…
i've never tried doing sum()s and groups bys with left joins… it's pretty wonky

Heh, except sections, and switchtheme, which went down. Odd.

oh webchick, dww worked on this before and I don;t know if he got anyone to do a security review, but if we get a security review of diff module killes will put it on d.o.

Aw, Module Builder isn't there. ;(
Does that mean no one uses it?

Can someone confirm that form type of date when no default value is supplied actually defaults to current date? I may have something weird with local host but I get 1/1/1900, I did a print date() and I get actual date so…

This wouldn't really surprise me.

webchick, but quiz is!

so as far as soc writeups, i'm planning on discussing the metrics and project_usage modules. i'd like to get metrics installed on d.o at some point but based on what i've learned with the usgae stuff it's going to need some serious optimization.
the stats are all skewed based on which machines have update(_status).module installed. if you're checking out via CVS you won't be counted.

email?
patch installed

I imagine module builder is mostly used on development machines - not production ones

graveltech@gmail.com

and that update_status is only used on production machines, not development ones

sent

thanks

anyone already done the work to make coder.module style checks part of a simpletest unitests ???

if you're looking for feedback I'd say that the first click on the week headings should sort into DESC

that's a limitation on the tablesort

ah, ok

or at least my understanding of it, i had the same reaction.

heh
now that I think about it that should probably be the default in general, right?

I think you can circumvent that by making the default ASC?

it's amazing to me that only 3000 sites are participating in this now

Ressin fresin

my recollection was that only one default could be specificed… but i'll try it again

I don't know if these got through but:

heh

a) The stats are a bit odd; almost all of the projects (at least in the top half) basically double their numbers from one week to the next.
b) Module Builder isn't in the list. Does this mean that no one is using it, or is it possibly not in the list because of a buggy join?

did you refresh the stats?
only modules with usage reported are listed

Oh let me try.
Cool. The dupes are gone.
Aw, sad. I need to do more PR.

also if you goto a project or release node you'll see a tabl for usage
or just try to get the to install the update_status module

however, why is it that the stats would double? Was there a security update or something to update status module that would've forced twice as many people to 5.x-2.x?

killes / greggles : the last 'sort' specified becomes the default
well they just release it…. i think

I seem to be having some trouble with the stats, I can sort in decending order for last week, but when I try to sort desc for this week, it sorts in desc alphabetical order instead
the date also changes from aug 12 to aug 11

did we get the CVS problem addressed?d

i dunno, i switched to anonymous

any ideas what the issue might be w/ user CVS access??

humm, i think using the formatted dates as the key is the problem

it does seem to be date related. if I manually change the url to desc it works fine

Can I give a stupid 11th hour feature request? Could we have a "counter" column?

what do you mean?

you've got the word 'chicken' in the middle of your nick…
that's unusual to look at

lol

thanks for pointing out the date issue. i think i've got that fixed. it'll be in the next patch

glad to help

gotta run folks. hopefully the CVS issue will work itself out. be back later tonight…

seen greggles

greggles was last seen in #drupal 20 min 14 sec ago saying 'it's amazing to me that only 3000 sites are participating in this now'.

greggles, ping

ping
try http://scratch.drupal.org/project-usage?sort=desc&order=Aug+12 and look at the bottom

pastebin?

Please don't paste code directly into IRC. Please use http://drupal.pastebin.com or http://drupal.pastebin.co.uk or http://pastebin.ca

there are some rows where the module seems to have been uninstalled or something since the stats go down
which makes me think it's not a problematic join that is causing the doubling, but just something natural
?
my stories are on TV

greggles, sorry, I was on the phone.

no problem
I'm just about to leave…

greggles, how do we proceed with pt-br translation? http://drupal.org/node/164605

Portuguese (Brasil) Translation, Code, critical, active, 1 IRC mention

sorry to keep pestering you but here's another patch: http://drupal.org/node/165380#comment-291354

Project, Usage statistics, normal, patch (code needs review), 12 IRC mentions

make an issue in the infrastructure queue asking to be given maintainership

More then two weeks, without an reply.

link to that issue

done

greggles, hmm ok.
thanks

does anyone know of any documentation for writing a search plugin for drupal ?
it seems a little different to writing a normal module …

GRRR
Anyway.
What I meant was a simple 1, 2, 3, 4, 5… to the left of the project mame/
ame*
so we could do stuff like "Top 20 projects" easily.
But then I remembered I could just copy/paste into a text editor with line numbers.
So disregard.

ah, i see what you're saying…

Hm. Did the page break in the past couple minutes?

it might have… the sql server seems to have gone missing…

Now http://scratch.drupal.org/project-usage?sort=asc&order=Aug+11 sorts by project name asc, and the dates are Aug 12, not Aug 11, and when I click the Aug 12 header all the numbers go to 0 or 1.
Oh nevermind. That was asc. haha.

yeah the whole sorting by asc by default is a PITA
i think the project node usage pages need to show a weeks data rather than just the current week

ping

done?

My apologies. I just realized that you were scheduled for a dojo slot today! hook_menu, right?
I've been slacking, and Squidster is AWOL
Is there any way we can reschedule your brain for Sept 2?

so dmitrig01 told me earlier today, but I never confirmed it or got set up for it.

So sorry

so, I feel bad if it left anyone hanging.

You did not
It was our job to get you set up
No worries tho
can we reched?

as far as I can tell my schedule is ok for the 2nd

hey webchick, you're in the dojo next weekend, right? For the SoC wrap-up?

!seen litwol?

litwol (n=litwol@ool-18bc87b3.dyn.optonline.net) was last seen quitting from #drupal 1 day, 4 hours, 35 minutes ago stating (Client Quit).

that's the plan!

ok, I'll move your hook_menu pony show to that date, and we'll hook_up with you to set your screensharing settings

I heard rumors that Matt Westgate is going to do a lesson on advanced theming?

that'd me awesome
seen metta?

metta was last seen in #drupal 20 weeks 4 days ago saying 'I'm taking another look now'.

chx, as soon as i can get him to nail down a dat/time

would you be able to respond to http://groups.drupal.org/node/5649#comment-16397 ?

1 IRC mention

I actually don't know the answer to that.

sure,

how long is the lesson supposed to run?

It usually goes about 45 minutes with 15 min of dojii follow-up questions, but some people have taught in two back-to-back chucks of time. We usually hang out as long as needed to get the concepts across.
Yeah, I'll grab that post and run with it.

as soon as you submit your infrastructure issue I can switch it over to you

do you have any more specific idea of what you want covered? I think chx did a menu lesson?

no i did a fapi one (two)
so, was that commit message detailed enough ?

haven't seen it yet…reviewing now

chx covered the in-depth of fapi(3.x beta)
heee

253 items in my reader tonight

ok, so I'm sure we can fill 45 min then.

http://drupal.org/cvs?commit=78042

If you could simply show how hook_menu can be used to add, alter, and delete the Primary Links, and regular nav menus, I think we'd all love that

that is mostly good

Primary or Navigation?

greggles, writing.

why not really explain the details of it :p

greggles, I'm explaing my reasons in the issue

great

help anyone - I'm not sure what happened to my cvs, but i'm getting "no such user douggreen in CVSROOT/passwd"

I'll have to see if one can actually add to the Primary directly. It was intended to work at one point…

douggreen_, there was an upgrade earlier
and seems like the cvs password file got corrupted
and no one around to fix

ok - i'm not crazy then
thanks

have you tried to see if it works declaring an item in hook_menu to be in the Primary links?

no :/

I know I contemplated the possibility at one point.

I thought I'd seen that Primary Links one go sailing through the issue queue. Ok then, just teach on Navigation menus.

I think it'll work, but let's just say it's not a heavily tested feature

greggles, done
http://drupal.org/node/168795

have we blogged heavily about http://openconcept.ca/blog/eche/content_management_system_cms_report_on_alternatives_to_back_end ? I thought I missesd this?

hmm seems to work, but I think the lesson should focus on the menu system generally and adding to the navigation menu.

http://drupal.org/node/168797

mebbe the lesson should focus on the main nav menu system like you said, since that's what most modules try to change anyway

Is it possible to change the order in which buddylist_get_buddies returns buddies?

I just flip my lappy's screen upside down for that one…

lol

it returns your oldest buddies first, I want it to show last active first

probably I'd spend ~2/3 of the time on hook_menu and {menu_router} and then a little about how router items are added also as links and how modules like menu and book are using {menu_links}

greggles?

seen recidive?

ping

CVS still down?

!seen Morbus

dmitrig01, Morbus is right here!

when it comes back you need to commit something for me

fixed

;-)

!seen recidive

recidive (n=henrique@bhe201062202045.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) was last seen quitting from #drupal 50 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes ago stating ({"ChatZilla} 0.9.78.1 {[Firefox} 2.0.0.4/2006102300\]\").

That sounds like a sql query SORT command. Look in the module for anything that resembles ORDER by _____ on the line that pulls buddies from the database.

thanks greggles
recidive is online in msn all day long, but not replying.

no problem
ok…weird

then just write a user preference that toggles "oldest first" or "newest first"

what I need is some ajax so users can choose their top 10 friends to show on their profile

is cvs totally down now?

ping

yes.

there should be some sort of a db_cache_schema for the standard cache table schema

cvs anon wasn't even working for a while but it seems to be going again. might be a connection problem on my end though.

anyone here who knows about about the cvs tables in drupal? I just got home and killes isn't around

is it the tables that's the problem?
or the script that generates the passwd file?

script
its ordering by a field 'name'
no such field
there is a field cvs_user

yeah they changed the name… i'll dig up the issue number

if I can confirm the change, I'll edit the script and fix this
forget confirmation, schema is easy enough to figure out and its like a 15 line script I can see how it works

http://drupal.org/node/159419

could someone try logging into cvs?

no such user agaric in CVSROOT/passwd

could you try again

different error message…
on a commit:
no Drupal user matches cvs user 'agaric'.
** Please contact a CVS administrator for help.
Pre-commit check failed
cvs [commit aborted]: correct above errors first!

once second, this is one too many scripts breaking for me to feel comfortable. I am checking the change history for the db

(my Drupal user is "Benjamin Melançon" so this may work now for people with the same nick… or without a cedilla in their name.. someone else should try too.)

seen victorkane?
known issue
oh, sorry, didn't see you guys were debugging

seen sammys?

Druplicon's not here

guess we'll have to go old school then
:-)

!seen sammys?

dmitrig01, sammys is right here!

http://groups.drupal.org/user/9522 — this guy's username is odd

sammys is probably just logging, but you might be lucky

ping… http://drupal.org/node/165380#comment-291375

try now

Success!
thank you, and congrats

hunmonk updated project module earlier if no one mentioned it

to what did he update it

the 5 release of project module I believe

cvs_user

we're now officially running a 5.x release of project on d.o

I don't know. I saw some mention of password sync issue
I wasn't entirely paying attention but saw you on so thought I would pass on the info

http://drupal.org/node/159419
that's the issue it changed in

we probably, as inconvient as it is, should try and institute some mearure of change control notification
even if it is just a process of mailing infra list

k, in my lovely 45 second reading of the project module I don't think that was it , thanks for telling me though

ping

ahh…
would you happen to know if the cvs module was updated at the same time?

hey all, i'm running into a problem using the media field module, if any page with a media field prevents the page from rendering at all, just a white screen
any ideas on how to trouble shoot this?

that seemd to work for me…

support?
| Use #drupal-support or http://drupal.org/support for support questions.

it worked, but for the wrong reason
anyone in the middle of a commit? I really am going to break it again for a second

thanks dmitrig01

sorry, hafd to step away
I don't have more details than that

k…going to do this as quickly as I can..but in about 10 seconds cvs will go back down
k, could someone try a commit?

cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs [add aborted]: no repository

bueller?

… let me try a straightforward commit though

eh…thats not the error I was looking for

Commit worked

I must have my add syntax wrong

whoever updated the cvs module didn't update the scripts on the box
I peiced the what the update did together with the sql binary logs and the old scripts and fixed them up..hopefully
let me know if anything else looks broken please
^^
or let killes know

may someone help about this 2 patches review? it shouldn't be too difficult: http://drupal.org/node/166586 and http://drupal.org/node/165141
just try to use db_query correctly

+ $link['plid'] = db_result(db_query("SELECT mlid FROM {menu_links} WHERE menu_name = 'navigation' AND link_path = 'admin/build/menu'"));
that's not correctly either

from where?

#1 I think

lol…
i miss that… i will update it
i just focus on the FROM…

shouldn't it be + $link['plid'] = db_result(db_query("SELECT mlid FROM {menu_links} WHERE menu_name = '%s' AND link_path = '%s'", 'navigation', 'admin/build/menu'));

correct i will update it now

cool

is ok now, thanks

np
RTBC
http://drupal.org/node/166586#comment-291384

thanks also for this? http://drupal.org/node/165141

not right now
but maybe tommorow

anyway, thanks about that

np
thanks for your great drpal work

good night folks

hey killes you around?

dmitrig01 Hey?

hey!

CVS seems to be back up.

cool
I found a typo and added XML code
http://pastie.textmate.org/private/g2h1w3bpmfwhrywnf7

seen killes
bah Druplicon's napping?

you got to kick it
haha
man I really like finding undocumented functions

Please submit a patch so that it ceases to be undocumented.
ping?

dsm?

Oh that's a really good one.

devel

hehe ya

Two merlins? Can the world handle it?

I just never knew about it until patching form.inc for missing default value on type date

I found it looking through devel's code at one point, and went "OMGWTF R0X0RZ!"

ping

ya I had messed with getting a print_r through drupal_set_message but never could remember the right php function to actually return the output properly

dsm?
ping

if you have devel installed do dsm($node);
and go to a node page
:P
as example

it'll work

yup

dvessel|idle: nm

No, just any page will do as long as the page template displays $messages.

Mind making an issue for that?

hehe

If you have a form that submits to the search form but adds in extra parameters, like node type, do you care if the URL is extra-encoded as long as the search itself is still functional?

ping

I'll take that as a no..

I would give you an answer/opinion if I had/knew one on the subject

:-)

sorry mate
I asked this in the wrong channel a few minutes ago…
how/why does drupal allow date range from 1900 - 2050 instead of ending in 2038?
from expand_date() in form.inc, I've been under the impression by php docs that 2038 is the end until switching to 64 bit or another alternative is developed
2050 is a nicer round number haha so I can understand from esthetics but is it wrong?

pong
hey, i'm totally beat right now…pong you in the morning or sometime tommorrow?
uhey, i'm totally beat right now…pong you in the morning or sometime tommorrow?/u

You're just that popular.

what suspicious ip ?

Your alive? hehe

oh ya, just stuck

stuck?

pong?
saying nate and i are "working together" now might be a biiiit of a stretch
but we've sure talked about it
oh. um. hey #drupal
carry on

wow… that's some serious lag there

Was wondering if you knew how to get ahold of Squidster since he's local to you. A few of us were noticing he hasn't been around in a couple weeks and this was a little surprising

he's actually 2 hours away from me… but i think i have contact details… um… somewhere from drupalcamptoronto

they great joy of Internet connectivity is you can communicate with people all over the world…
the pain is when you lose the Internet conneciton to them, you have no real way of knowing how they are

yeah, i'm laggy - by hours, days, weeks… y'know. i'm still here. that's what counts right/

maybe….

have you tried email?
’cause email's prolly all i got for him

I believe on eperson tried his phone
you know, I believe Jonathan gave im the server drupaldojo is hosted on.
I will try and remember to ask him tomorrow

What sepeck said.

huh
are we worried about him you mean?!

some of the dojo folks are

Well. Concerned, perhaps.
Or at least interested.

seen squidster

anyone here using Zend Debugger?

oh crap, it's Druplicon's nightly outage

!seen squidster

*nod*

Squidster (n=squidgy_@KTNRON06-1177861766.sdsl.bell.ca) was last seen quitting from #drupal 14 days, 1 hour, 25 minutes ago stating (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).

and no one recalled meniotn of a vacation / etc

Anyway, I need to get to bed.

so the concern is starting to set in

he came to drupalcamp but i'd never met/seen him before or since

did you hav fun ?

Okay.

at drupalcamptoronto? i loved it

I me with him
me == meant

yeah he's a good guy

that's good to know

*nod*
drupal people are good people

I always find the 'your nicer in person' comments about me funny as hell

totally
’cause you're not

they say that about UnconeD too

who is *definitely* not

damnit killes is mia
I cannot for the freaking life of me figure out where in views this event table is being rendered

was here not 4 hours ago working on stuff. no panic yet
!seen killes

sepeck, killes is right here!

neener

who's is Hydralisk ?

i face a critical problem when implementing MSSQL driver
and so hope to have your help

?! that's the old old old bot

um Hydralisk is Natrak's bot

the bot that predates me

PHP debuggers are quite… limited in scope
you have to keep respecifying the URL and params
so irritating

wrong

XDEBUG_START_SESSION

oh
*that's* what happened to it
!seen Natrak

what?

walkah, Natrak is right here!

http://drupal4hu.com/node/63

huh?

Natrak is here and idle since December.

*smack*
yeah

but he enlisted to Barcelona

heh

i *thought* he was coming back there for a bit
oooh

so we might meet him

well, who wouldn't go to barcelona?

I do not know

er, he was in antwerp
you've met him

I know

we met since then as well
or so I think

er, and didn't he come to brussles as well?

yes.

er. wait. huh?

That was I was thinking

but if I don't know where to break it at … I still don't benefit from a debugger :/

that should, uh, get fixed or something

I still have to track killes or the person who wrote views down

start at line 1 and ork your way donw

and manually ASK them

that's not a full doc. I have 'Watches' right here.

lol
watches?

for heaven's sake, it's a debugger!

working on getting a passport though so I will be prepared next year

are you _again_ in New York?

man violence

check info violence for more complete listings
it's quite extensive

man violence | rabid

wth
now it's ignoring all my breakpoints
i suck at debuggers

it's just one more tool to learn

argh
this makes no sense
I change the url and it ignores my breakpoints in index.php
it's still loading index.php!

aha. I have found something. http://drupal.org/node/131762 seems to relate to signup.module too.
I think.
Of course, I don't know for sure, but when I do a form_alter in a custom module, it never hooks in, but placing some code in that module's .theme file DOES make a new form field.

morning all

new module builder here… if I'm looking to.. uh, do stuff on the config page of my module, is _admin_settings() all I'm calling?

YES
xdebug has what I need
code coverage lets you know what files and lines within (or so) are being executed

ping any d.o content maintainer

how may I help you?

http://api.drupal.org/api/group/form/5
just above the table titled "functions" there at the top
I assume those should be links

likely but that's code generated not something editable manually

also broken when copy/pasted: http://api.drupal.org/api/HEAD/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html redirects to "http://api.drupal.org/?q=api/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html/HEAD">http://api.drupal.org/?q=api/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html/HEAD, which is broken
(should be http://api.drupal.org/?q=api/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html)

file a bug report against api.module for the first
and a drupal.org infrastructure issue for the second.

will do sir
thank you

seen rdouglass
seen rdouglass*

support?

druplicon's not home. please leave a message after the beep

I was learning Drupal and saw the db_query function. Now I want to rip it to use outside drupal, but this means ripping several functions and combining them. Isn't there a standalone function available on the net that does this?

1 on Skype (his and mine
just include './includes/boostrap.inc'; drupal_bootstrap(DRUPAL_BOOTSTRAP_DATABASE);

do I need the whole file?
I don't want to connect to drupals DB

as if Drupal would not be capable of connecting to multiple databases..

I dont know either,but if u only need the scripts how to connect DB,u can get many scripts/tutorials

I am trying Joomla, but it's too complicated.

you there?

Not user friendly at all

I would like a clean standalone db_query function (printf() syntax) to use in my own projets :-/

this is #drupal .

chx ya, just want to express my feeling of it over Drupal

you use kate for debugging right? how do you debug like say http://localhost/event/2007/09/20 ? what file do you breakpoint?

whatever function i am interested in, obviously.

thought as much
my config is broken then
if I debug localhost/ I'm fine and it works
moment I try localhost/path/* it doesn't work
really weird
this isn't kate mind you
oh screw this

Terms for vocabulary" how can i get rid of entering terms cause i need to expose it .. i mean i need to make user enter the terms he want and display the nodes per it ..

seen yched

See http://api.drupal.org/api/file/modules/taxonomy/taxonomy.module/5

morning

G'morning.

i have a serious problem that is causeing me to lose half of my hair, in the sequences table the term_data_tid=200, the term_data table isnt reading this value causing me to get duplicate entry

anyone a savvy SVN user? I have several repositories that I would like to upgrade my drupal installs to 5.2 but I don't know the easiest way to do it, just committing is fine, but I have to copy files over on a per directory bases as to not override .svn Help much appreciated

Hi people

hi
there is a serious bug in drupal

seen Dries*
lol

what did you find?

do u know what is the sequences table used for?

mpare you need to learn how to merge, and to learn about vendor branches

THANKS!
joeking1, I think it uses it as the last value of auto-increment for several other tables

was that sarcasm?

exactly

like nodes, revisions, users, and menus
no not at all
I just needed the finger pointed

term_data table isnt reading from it
its giving me dupliacte entries

testing, but do you have a scenario?

i am adding terms to a vocabulary

-k-

when i reached 127
it is stuck

k, testing with devel.module

giving me duplicate entries

duplicate terms, or term id's or vocab id's or vocabs
haha
initial testing is proving ok for me.

lol

you might try to do a clean install on a new local host db

Duplicate entry '127' for key 1 query: INSERT INTO term_data (tid, name, description, vid, weight) VALUES (135, 'xcvxcv', '', 12, 0) in /home/www/0d11d9bef559e144defe9ed1ef72be5d/web/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 172.

Dries?????
hint: http://buytaert.net/album/axl-2007

and run devel and see if you can replicate
devel offers a way to generate terms/vocabs
I know auto generation is not the best test

Could anybody help me? I'm defining a new kind of content in my Drupal Site. It's called, and I'd like to divide it in two layers. One of them is optional.

but I think we would have heard people shouting from the roof tops, have you done a google or searched d.o for similar experiences?

Hello I have Problem with one drupal site. I have list of nodes but drupal cut them and HTML code is not Valid.
How can I fix this ?

oh this is rich
I fixed the event module
it works in latest dev release with drupal 5
I fought with the debugger for so long I can't remember _how_ I fixed it now
I fought with the debugger for so long I can't remember _how_ I fixed it now

i know that

then?
the chances of Dries showing up here is next to nothing

just hope to check if it is actually ~= 0%

I talked w/ him during the weekend
he sounded a "bit" sleep deprived
really dunno why

surly because need to take care of his new baby ;p

pastebin?

Anyone here from the UK, London?

uk, yes London no

Looking for people from the Drupal UK group
I live in Amsterdam, but I want to visit one of those meetings once, see if it's useful

heh, me too, but I think you actually live closer
there's rarely people in #drupalUK, so you might find http://drupal.org.uk/ more useful for finding people

Hello
I have a doubt
I'd like to create a new field in a page content and I want it to be showed in a specifically block/region

heya
Crell says that protected has little value and simplexml uses [] for attributes.

pastebin?
'pastebin?'

bot is on vacation
drupal.pastebin.com

ok
anyway i would like to know if some pastebin module exists for drupal?
I would like to develop one

great!
you are welcome
http://drupal.org/node/65961

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I was learning Drupal and saw the db_query function Now I want to rip it to use outside drupal but this means

September 22, 2007 at 5:30 am · Filed under JSP

seed
nor do I see handlers
i think you forgot to add handlers.inc or somethin'
brb

Looks like, yea.

!seen kentbye
!seen kentbye?
Hydralisk…
seen kentbye?

kentbye was last seen in #drupal-support 6 days 6 hours ago saying 'Nevermind got it — the ID = L40 for line 40 — http://cvs.drupal.org/viewvc.py/drupal/drupal/modules/blog/blog.module?revision=1.283&view=annotate#l140'.

question about themeing D6: can you pass an array in hook_theme()['something']['function']?

drupal.org going down for a bit. upgrade

ah… is that why CVS isn't working?

try now, should be fine

seems like the passwd script failed…

hrm
well we need to find somebody that can look at things if there's a problem
dww is out of town

ping?

problem is w/ committing?

it's the standard problem with the script that generates the cvs passwd file

not sure what you mean

if it can't connect to the DB it writes an empty password file

just did a cvs up w/ no problems

can you cvs up as a non-annonymous users?
to contrib

no
hrm

well the good news is we just have to wait the next regen. it happens every 20 minutes

oh
well that's not a problem

yeah, it's just a pain

what do you mean it writes an empty passwd file — you mean on the server?

yeah

we've been busy. i doubt it's very high on the priority list
that upgrade was a big sec/bugfix for project

oh, i know but it's one of those minor annoyances that
ends up eating up a bunch of time
yeah i assumed as much

is there an issue filed?

not that i know of
that would probably be the best way to pester him about it

dude, nothing's going to make it onto our radar that's not an issue
we've got an enormous laundry list of crap to do

oh i know i've been poking in the project queue

Is the CVS down?

cvs [checkout aborted]: no such user robloach in CVSROOT/passwd

the passwd file got corrupted

Whoa, that sucks.

i think a new one will be generated in about 8 minutes
it's all automated

OMG I can't wait 8 minutes!

hi webchick

Hey

we're now officially running a 5.x release of project on d.o

Yay!!
Nice work, hunmonk

dww and i have done quite a bit

does this have the statistics then?

Views 2 documentation via doxygen: http://v2.logrus.com/doc/html/index.html

I had literally just updated the modules used on page when I saw your issue
the other day

files are saved on new issue previews now — yay!

Haha, I saw that.
awesome. what was the problem?

and i changed it so it actually tells you the _name_ of the file that's already uploaded…

yay! db no longer shows it needs an update

no $node object available to stick the file in on new issues

seriously?

so now it uses the file api directly to check

you can preview?

if you preview a new issue, it remembers your uploaded file now, yes. and it even tells you it's name

if i ever see you and dww in person i'm buying you both a beer

now wasn't that worth 20 minutes of no commit access??

that's been my longest running drupal gripe of all time

it barely made it in

well it doesn't look like cvs is working…
so maybe you've got another issue on your hands

we were going to pass, but i figured out the issue at the last secoond
then we need killes, i guess

dww is out of town for 2 weeks
so…

so with cvs, it's not just me

CVS is working for me now?
or up is anyway.

anon works

Ah.

how about contrib?

Well that's all I need for now.

pong

Not sure. I haven't committed anything to any of my modules in a looooonnnngg time.

it says "no such user mikejoconnor…"

Goooooo drewish.

http://scratch.drupal.org/project-usage?sort=desc&order=Aug+11

col
I'll gladly mail you that script.

http://drupal.org/node/165380#comment-291350

Project, Usage statistics, normal, patch (code needs review), 11 IRC mentions

oh, please do.

weird. How come they're almost all basically doubled?
from one week to the next?

it's adding wrong on the version that's on s.d.o … as you just noticed
i just sent killes the fixed version…
i've never tried doing sum()s and groups bys with left joins… it's pretty wonky

Heh, except sections, and switchtheme, which went down. Odd.

oh webchick, dww worked on this before and I don;t know if he got anyone to do a security review, but if we get a security review of diff module killes will put it on d.o.

Aw, Module Builder isn't there. ;(
Does that mean no one uses it?

This wouldn't really surprise me.

webchick, but quiz is!

email?
patch installed

I imagine module builder is mostly used on development machines - not production ones

graveltech@gmail.com

and that update_status is only used on production machines, not development ones

sent

thanks

anyone already done the work to make coder.module style checks part of a simpletest unitests ???

if you're looking for feedback I'd say that the first click on the week headings should sort into DESC

that's a limitation on the tablesort

ah, ok

or at least my understanding of it, i had the same reaction.

heh
now that I think about it that should probably be the default in general, right?

I think you can circumvent that by making the default ASC?

it's amazing to me that only 3000 sites are participating in this now

Ressin fresin

my recollection was that only one default could be specificed… but i'll try it again

I don't know if these got through but:

heh

did you refresh the stats?
only modules with usage reported are listed

Oh let me try.
Cool. The dupes are gone.
Aw, sad. I need to do more PR.

also if you goto a project or release node you'll see a tabl for usage
or just try to get the to install the update_status module

however, why is it that the stats would double? Was there a security update or something to update status module that would've forced twice as many people to 5.x-2.x?

killes / greggles : the last 'sort' specified becomes the default
well they just release it…. i think

did we get the CVS problem addressed?d

i dunno, i switched to anonymous

any ideas what the issue might be w/ user CVS access??

humm, i think using the formatted dates as the key is the problem

it does seem to be date related. if I manually change the url to desc it works fine

Can I give a stupid 11th hour feature request? Could we have a "counter" column?

what do you mean?

you've got the word 'chicken' in the middle of your nick…
that's unusual to look at

lol

thanks for pointing out the date issue. i think i've got that fixed. it'll be in the next patch

glad to help

gotta run folks. hopefully the CVS issue will work itself out. be back later tonight…

seen greggles

greggles was last seen in #drupal 20 min 14 sec ago saying 'it's amazing to me that only 3000 sites are participating in this now'.

greggles, ping

ping
try http://scratch.drupal.org/project-usage?sort=desc&order=Aug+12 and look at the bottom

pastebin?

Please don't paste code directly into IRC. Please use http://drupal.pastebin.com or http://drupal.pastebin.co.uk or http://pastebin.ca

greggles, sorry, I was on the phone.

no problem
I'm just about to leave…

greggles, how do we proceed with pt-br translation? http://drupal.org/node/164605

Portuguese (Brasil) Translation, Code, critical, active, 1 IRC mention

sorry to keep pestering you but here's another patch: http://drupal.org/node/165380#comment-291354

Project, Usage statistics, normal, patch (code needs review), 12 IRC mentions

make an issue in the infrastructure queue asking to be given maintainership

More then two weeks, without an reply.

link to that issue

done

greggles, hmm ok.
thanks

does anyone know of any documentation for writing a search plugin for drupal ?
it seems a little different to writing a normal module …

ah, i see what you're saying…

Hm. Did the page break in the past couple minutes?

it might have… the sql server seems to have gone missing…

yeah the whole sorting by asc by default is a PITA
i think the project node usage pages need to show a weeks data rather than just the current week

ping

done?

My apologies. I just realized that you were scheduled for a dojo slot today! hook_menu, right?
I've been slacking, and Squidster is AWOL
Is there any way we can reschedule your brain for Sept 2?

so dmitrig01 told me earlier today, but I never confirmed it or got set up for it.

So sorry

so, I feel bad if it left anyone hanging.

You did not
It was our job to get you set up
No worries tho
can we reched?

as far as I can tell my schedule is ok for the 2nd

hey webchick, you're in the dojo next weekend, right? For the SoC wrap-up?

!seen litwol?

litwol (n=litwol@ool-18bc87b3.dyn.optonline.net) was last seen quitting from #drupal 1 day, 4 hours, 35 minutes ago stating (Client Quit).

that's the plan!

ok, I'll move your hook_menu pony show to that date, and we'll hook_up with you to set your screensharing settings

I heard rumors that Matt Westgate is going to do a lesson on advanced theming?

that'd me awesome
seen metta?

metta was last seen in #drupal 20 weeks 4 days ago saying 'I'm taking another look now'.

chx, as soon as i can get him to nail down a dat/time

would you be able to respond to http://groups.drupal.org/node/5649#comment-16397 ?

1 IRC mention

I actually don't know the answer to that.

sure,

how long is the lesson supposed to run?

as soon as you submit your infrastructure issue I can switch it over to you

do you have any more specific idea of what you want covered? I think chx did a menu lesson?

no i did a fapi one (two)
so, was that commit message detailed enough ?

haven't seen it yet…reviewing now

chx covered the in-depth of fapi(3.x beta)
heee

253 items in my reader tonight

ok, so I'm sure we can fill 45 min then.

http://drupal.org/cvs?commit=78042

If you could simply show how hook_menu can be used to add, alter, and delete the Primary Links, and regular nav menus, I think we'd all love that

that is mostly good

Primary or Navigation?

greggles, writing.

why not really explain the details of it :p

greggles, I'm explaing my reasons in the issue

great

help anyone - I'm not sure what happened to my cvs, but i'm getting "no such user douggreen in CVSROOT/passwd"

I'll have to see if one can actually add to the Primary directly. It was intended to work at one point…

douggreen_, there was an upgrade earlier
and seems like the cvs password file got corrupted
and no one around to fix

ok - i'm not crazy then
thanks

have you tried to see if it works declaring an item in hook_menu to be in the Primary links?

no :/

I know I contemplated the possibility at one point.

I thought I'd seen that Primary Links one go sailing through the issue queue. Ok then, just teach on Navigation menus.

I think it'll work, but let's just say it's not a heavily tested feature

greggles, done
http://drupal.org/node/168795

have we blogged heavily about http://openconcept.ca/blog/eche/content_management_system_cms_report_on_alternatives_to_back_end ? I thought I missesd this?

hmm seems to work, but I think the lesson should focus on the menu system generally and adding to the navigation menu.

http://drupal.org/node/168797

mebbe the lesson should focus on the main nav menu system like you said, since that's what most modules try to change anyway

Is it possible to change the order in which buddylist_get_buddies returns buddies?

I just flip my lappy's screen upside down for that one…

lol

it returns your oldest buddies first, I want it to show last active first

probably I'd spend ~2/3 of the time on hook_menu and {menu_router} and then a little about how router items are added also as links and how modules like menu and book are using {menu_links}

greggles?

seen recidive?

ping

CVS still down?

!seen Morbus

dmitrig01, Morbus is right here!

when it comes back you need to commit something for me

fixed

;-)

!seen recidive

That sounds like a sql query SORT command. Look in the module for anything that resembles ORDER by _____ on the line that pulls buddies from the database.

thanks greggles
recidive is online in msn all day long, but not replying.

no problem
ok…weird

then just write a user preference that toggles "oldest first" or "newest first"

what I need is some ajax so users can choose their top 10 friends to show on their profile

is cvs totally down now?

ping

yes.

there should be some sort of a db_cache_schema for the standard cache table schema

cvs anon wasn't even working for a while but it seems to be going again. might be a connection problem on my end though.

anyone here who knows about about the cvs tables in drupal? I just got home and killes isn't around

is it the tables that's the problem?
or the script that generates the passwd file?

script
its ordering by a field 'name'
no such field
there is a field cvs_user

yeah they changed the name… i'll dig up the issue number

if I can confirm the change, I'll edit the script and fix this
forget confirmation, schema is easy enough to figure out and its like a 15 line script I can see how it works

http://drupal.org/node/159419

could someone try logging into cvs?

no such user agaric in CVSROOT/passwd

could you try again

once second, this is one too many scripts breaking for me to feel comfortable. I am checking the change history for the db

(my Drupal user is "Benjamin Melançon" so this may work now for people with the same nick… or without a cedilla in their name.. someone else should try too.)

seen victorkane?
known issue
oh, sorry, didn't see you guys were debugging

seen sammys?

Druplicon's not here

guess we'll have to go old school then
:-)

!seen sammys?

dmitrig01, sammys is right here!

http://groups.drupal.org/user/9522 — this guy's username is odd

sammys is probably just logging, but you might be lucky

ping… http://drupal.org/node/165380#comment-291375

try now

Success!
thank you, and congrats

hunmonk updated project module earlier if no one mentioned it

to what did he update it

the 5 release of project module I believe

cvs_user

we're now officially running a 5.x release of project on d.o

I don't know. I saw some mention of password sync issue
I wasn't entirely paying attention but saw you on so thought I would pass on the info

http://drupal.org/node/159419
that's the issue it changed in

we probably, as inconvient as it is, should try and institute some mearure of change control notification
even if it is just a process of mailing infra list

k, in my lovely 45 second reading of the project module I don't think that was it , thanks for telling me though

ping

ahh…
would you happen to know if the cvs module was updated at the same time?

hey all, i'm running into a problem using the media field module, if any page with a media field prevents the page from rendering at all, just a white screen
any ideas on how to trouble shoot this?

that seemd to work for me…

support?
| Use #drupal-support or http://drupal.org/support for support questions.

it worked, but for the wrong reason
anyone in the middle of a commit? I really am going to break it again for a second

thanks dmitrig01

sorry, hafd to step away
I don't have more details than that

k…going to do this as quickly as I can..but in about 10 seconds cvs will go back down
k, could someone try a commit?

cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs [add aborted]: no repository

bueller?

… let me try a straightforward commit though

eh…thats not the error I was looking for

Commit worked

I must have my add syntax wrong

may someone help about this 2 patches review? it shouldn't be too difficult: http://drupal.org/node/166586 and http://drupal.org/node/165141
just try to use db_query correctly

+ $link['plid'] = db_result(db_query("SELECT mlid FROM {menu_links} WHERE menu_name = 'navigation' AND link_path = 'admin/build/menu'"));
that's not correctly either

from where?

#1 I think

lol…
i miss that… i will update it
i just focus on the FROM…

shouldn't it be + $link['plid'] = db_result(db_query("SELECT mlid FROM {menu_links} WHERE menu_name = '%s' AND link_path = '%s'", 'navigation', 'admin/build/menu'));

correct i will update it now

cool

is ok now, thanks

np
RTBC
http://drupal.org/node/166586#comment-291384

thanks also for this? http://drupal.org/node/165141

not right now
but maybe tommorow

anyway, thanks about that

np
thanks for your great drpal work

good night folks

hey killes you around?

dmitrig01 Hey?

hey!

CVS seems to be back up.

cool
I found a typo and added XML code
http://pastie.textmate.org/private/g2h1w3bpmfwhrywnf7

seen killes
bah Druplicon's napping?

you got to kick it
haha
man I really like finding undocumented functions

Please submit a patch so that it ceases to be undocumented.
ping?

dsm?

Oh that's a really good one.

devel

hehe ya

Two merlins? Can the world handle it?

I just never knew about it until patching form.inc for missing default value on type date

I found it looking through devel's code at one point, and went "OMGWTF R0X0RZ!"

ping

ya I had messed with getting a print_r through drupal_set_message but never could remember the right php function to actually return the output properly

dsm?
ping

if you have devel installed do dsm($node);
and go to a node page
:P
as example

it'll work

yup

dvessel|idle: nm

No, just any page will do as long as the page template displays $messages.

Mind making an issue for that?

hehe

If you have a form that submits to the search form but adds in extra parameters, like node type, do you care if the URL is extra-encoded as long as the search itself is still functional?

ping

I'll take that as a no..

I would give you an answer/opinion if I had/knew one on the subject

:-)

pong
hey, i'm totally beat right now…pong you in the morning or sometime tommorrow?
uhey, i'm totally beat right now…pong you in the morning or sometime tommorrow?/u

You're just that popular.

what suspicious ip ?

Your alive? hehe

oh ya, just stuck

stuck?

pong?
saying nate and i are "working together" now might be a biiiit of a stretch
but we've sure talked about it
oh. um. hey #drupal
carry on

wow… that's some serious lag there

Was wondering if you knew how to get ahold of Squidster since he's local to you. A few of us were noticing he hasn't been around in a couple weeks and this was a little surprising

he's actually 2 hours away from me… but i think i have contact details… um… somewhere from drupalcamptoronto

yeah, i'm laggy - by hours, days, weeks… y'know. i'm still here. that's what counts right/

maybe….

have you tried email?
’cause email's prolly all i got for him

I believe on eperson tried his phone
you know, I believe Jonathan gave im the server drupaldojo is hosted on.
I will try and remember to ask him tomorrow

What sepeck said.

huh
are we worried about him you mean?!

some of the dojo folks are

Well. Concerned, perhaps.
Or at least interested.

seen squidster

anyone here using Zend Debugger?

oh crap, it's Druplicon's nightly outage

!seen squidster

*nod*

Squidster (n=squidgy_@KTNRON06-1177861766.sdsl.bell.ca) was last seen quitting from #drupal 14 days, 1 hour, 25 minutes ago stating (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).

and no one recalled meniotn of a vacation / etc

Anyway, I need to get to bed.

so the concern is starting to set in

he came to drupalcamp but i'd never met/seen him before or since

did you hav fun ?

Okay.

at drupalcamptoronto? i loved it

I me with him
me == meant

yeah he's a good guy

that's good to know

*nod*
drupal people are good people

I always find the 'your nicer in person' comments about me funny as hell

totally
’cause you're not

they say that about UnconeD too

who is *definitely* not

damnit killes is mia
I cannot for the freaking life of me figure out where in views this event table is being rendered

was here not 4 hours ago working on stuff. no panic yet
!seen killes

sepeck, killes is right here!

neener

who's is Hydralisk ?

i face a critical problem when implementing MSSQL driver
and so hope to have your help

?! that's the old old old bot

um Hydralisk is Natrak's bot

the bot that predates me

PHP debuggers are quite… limited in scope
you have to keep respecifying the URL and params
so irritating

wrong

XDEBUG_START_SESSION

oh
*that's* what happened to it
!seen Natrak

what?

walkah, Natrak is right here!

http://drupal4hu.com/node/63

huh?

Natrak is here and idle since December.

*smack*
yeah

but he enlisted to Barcelona

heh

i *thought* he was coming back there for a bit
oooh

so we might meet him

well, who wouldn't go to barcelona?

I do not know

er, he was in antwerp
you've met him

I know

we met since then as well
or so I think

er, and didn't he come to brussles as well?

yes.

er. wait. huh?

That was I was thinking

but if I don't know where to break it at … I still don't benefit from a debugger :/

that should, uh, get fixed or something

I still have to track killes or the person who wrote views down

start at line 1 and ork your way donw

and manually ASK them

that's not a full doc. I have 'Watches' right here.

lol
watches?

for heaven's sake, it's a debugger!

working on getting a passport though so I will be prepared next year

are you _again_ in New York?

man violence

check info violence for more complete listings
it's quite extensive

man violence | rabid

wth
now it's ignoring all my breakpoints
i suck at debuggers

it's just one more tool to learn

argh
this makes no sense
I change the url and it ignores my breakpoints in index.php
it's still loading index.php!

morning all

new module builder here… if I'm looking to.. uh, do stuff on the config page of my module, is _admin_settings() all I'm calling?

YES
xdebug has what I need
code coverage lets you know what files and lines within (or so) are being executed

ping any d.o content maintainer

how may I help you?

http://api.drupal.org/api/group/form/5
just above the table titled "functions" there at the top
I assume those should be links

likely but that's code generated not something editable manually

also broken when copy/pasted: http://api.drupal.org/api/HEAD/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html redirects to http://api.drupal.org/?q=api/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html/HEAD, which is broken
(should be http://api.drupal.org/?q=api/file/developer/topics/forms_api_reference.html)

file a bug report against api.module for the first
and a drupal.org infrastructure issue for the second.

will do sir
thank you

seen rdouglass
seen rdouglass*

support?

druplicon's not home. please leave a message after the beep

1 on Skype (his and mine
just include './includes/boostrap.inc'; drupal_bootstrap(DRUPAL_BOOTSTRAP_DATABASE);

do I need the whole file?
I don't want to connect to drupals DB

as if Drupal would not be capable of connecting to multiple databases..

I dont know either,but if u only need the scripts how to connect DB,u can get many scripts/tutorials

I am trying Joomla, but it's too complicated.

you there?

Not user friendly at all

I would like a clean standalone db_query function (printf() syntax) to use in my own projets :-/

this is #drupal .

chx ya, just want to express my feeling of it over Drupal

you use kate for debugging right? how do you debug like say http://localhost/event/2007/09/20 ? what file do you breakpoint?

whatever function i am interested in, obviously.

thought as much
my config is broken then
if I debug localhost/ I'm fine and it works
moment I try localhost/path/* it doesn't work
really weird
this isn't kate mind you
oh screw this

Terms for vocabulary" how can i get rid of entering terms cause i need to expose it .. i mean i need to make user enter the terms he want and display the nodes per it ..

seen yched

See http://api.drupal.org/api/file/modules/taxonomy/taxonomy.module/5

morning

G'morning.

i have a serious problem that is causeing me to lose half of my hair, in the sequences table the term_data_tid=200, the term_data table isnt reading this value causing me to get duplicate entry

Hi people

hi
there is a serious bug in drupal

seen Dries*
lol

what did you find?

do u know what is the sequences table used for?

mpare you need to learn how to merge, and to learn about vendor branches

THANKS!
joeking1, I think it uses it as the last value of auto-increment for several other tables

was that sarcasm?

exactly

like nodes, revisions, users, and menus
no not at all
I just needed the finger pointed

term_data table isnt reading from it
its giving me dupliacte entries

testing, but do you have a scenario?

i am adding terms to a vocabulary

-k-

when i reached 127
it is stuck

k, testing with devel.module

giving me duplicate entries

duplicate terms, or term id's or vocab id's or vocabs
haha
initial testing is proving ok for me.

lol

you might try to do a clean install on a new local host db

Dries?????
hint: http://buytaert.net/album/axl-2007

and run devel and see if you can replicate
devel offers a way to generate terms/vocabs
I know auto generation is not the best test

Could anybody help me? I'm defining a new kind of content in my Drupal Site. It's called, and I'd like to divide it in two layers. One of them is optional.

but I think we would have heard people shouting from the roof tops, have you done a google or searched d.o for similar experiences?

Hello I have Problem with one drupal site. I have list of nodes but drupal cut them and HTML code is not Valid.
How can I fix this ?

i know that

then?
the chances of Dries showing up here is next to nothing

just hope to check if it is actually ~= 0%

I talked w/ him during the weekend
he sounded a "bit" sleep deprived
really dunno why

surly because need to take care of his new baby ;p

pastebin?

Anyone here from the UK, London?

uk, yes London no

Looking for people from the Drupal UK group
I live in Amsterdam, but I want to visit one of those meetings once, see if it's useful

heh, me too, but I think you actually live closer
there's rarely people in #drupalUK, so you might find http://drupal.org.uk/ more useful for finding people

Hello
I have a doubt
I'd like to create a new field in a page content and I want it to be showed in a specifically block/region

heya
Crell says that protected has little value and simplexml uses [] for attributes.

pastebin?
'pastebin?'

bot is on vacation
drupal.pastebin.com

ok
anyway i would like to know if some pastebin module exists for drupal?
I would like to develop one

great!
you are welcome
http://drupal.org/node/65961

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Hi I just learned that Mozilla supports the jar protocol and thus can browse the contents of a jar file I thought

September 22, 2007 at 5:17 am · Filed under JSP

rip, but it was very tricky to get running
once running it was really cool though

crap

andrew[andrboot]: If you have a package you need to have working quickly, emerge -e package

lolbots
what does -e do ?

-e … you must be joking
please don't give such random advice

quickly is a relative term

revdep-rebuild will be faster than -e I think, system alone will take 2h which revdep avoids

andrew[andrboot]: the full mzbot command is the recommended way

i never used git before can anyone help me with building the bcm43xx driver for Devicescape stack (mac80211) ? The closest thing to a link i got is this: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-dev.git

DrEeevil ill found out soon bout my lappy currently finishing sync

hi2all
why my CPU (Intel Pentium Dual Core Mobile T2080) is not working with speedstep-centtino
cpufreq driver

kernel config maybe?

5 seconds

i assume he said speedstep-centrino*

@ DrEeevil my lappy is a 1Ghz P4 M(centrino) but it can utilise a 2.6 p4 and a 2500+ amd via distcc

so core 2 duo cpu series use centrino speedstep?

yes, but I'd assume it's an incompete kernel config

ACPI P-states driver should be sufficient, should it not?

andrew[andrboot]: hmm, that sounds acceptable

i was wondernig if there is a seperate speedtep for core 2 duo in kernel

i think there is something in latest
not sure though
ahno those where temp sensors, nvm

one of the speedstep ones is being deprecated and rolled into another driver
forget which one

ah, i see. thanks friendly12345
i dont' have any intel cpu so i dont' really look into it when i compile kernel

I never got it working properly here, whichever daemon I choose.

http://rafb.net/p/KzsC6k81.html

fk
*crapo
DrEeevil i am using a fresh gnome/xorg install. will i have a problem using distcc do you tihnk?

possible, but unlikely

from memory you can only have one driver

i'm loading speedstep-centrino

*Crapola!* … borked "MailDrop Config" http://gentoo-wiki.com/Maildrop_configuration

it works with p4-clockmod

I just replaced procmail with maildrop and maildrop delivers email extremely quickly compared to procmail!

hmm?

yea… guess too many connections… maybe one too many page reloads… having fun editing it for readability

greets. oss sound works ok, but I can't get the alsa sound to work. I get these messages from mplayer:-

wich pkg does libstdc++ belong to?

[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: dlmisc.c:118snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol _snd_pcm_empty_open
[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm.c:2108snd_pcm_open_conf) symbol _snd_pcm_empty_open is not defined inside (null)
[AO_ALSA] Playback open error: No such device or address

no sound.

anybody got any ideas? ThinkPad T41

hmm, that looks like a confused kernel

That's possible.

CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=y was sufficient for me

anyone knows?

who knows

libstdc++

gcc or libstdc++

ok…
libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory — get this error message…why could that be`

hmm
did you play around with gcc recently?

got libstdc++-v3

because there's no such file or directory, it says so right there . run revdep-rebuild

lol

no, it just appered right now
though I got libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so.5.0.7

fascinating

revdep-rebuild I will do

DrEeevil qustion,do you knw of any good "movie" authoring programs? and ones that can be used over an network (exporing movie wise)

andrew[andrboot]: no

damn

andrew[andrboot]: cinelerra ?

hmm
i think i had problems with that a while back
ill give it another shot
worth a try

cinelerra requires at least a GB of memory, has a totally wierd GUI.

yea ive a gb

once you are used to it, I believe it produces good o/p

bloggsie i take it you have used cinelerre fairly extensivly?
scsu my shoddy spelling

andrew[andrboot]: You can also make use of clusters with it

hehe i will be picking u guys brains soon then once i get these dvd's ripped

tried it once on an underpowered machine, and got totally confused.

hmm
well this box im on is a 2500+ atholon xp (32bit) 1gb ram, 200gb hdd space, and my serv atm is a 2.6 p4 with 1 gb ram. think that will be enough ?? (i only need to "edit/export 10 min clips and make 1 dvd out of 4-10 of them( ?

for now…

Naib, for now ?

looks as if cinelerra would be overkill for that. Machine spec should be fine imho. have fun!

awesome
DrEeevil for dvd rip do you recomomend xvid exports?/rips ?

dd fwt
s/fwt/ftw

andrew[andrboot]: I don't care much as I don't buy DRM'ed media if I can avoid it

convenience

DrEeevil++

meh

is that a new C command ?
forgot the ; anyway
:p

new command?
new variable maybe, BUT we dont want any more of DrEeevil

I'm wearing my FSF "got freedom?" T-Shirt …

hehe

what!

hmm.. i've noticed nvidia legacy drivers are not in portage anymore but i need them to use my GPU.. they are not merged in nvidia drivers what can i do?

w00t ripping now

the driver ebuilds have been unified again

andrew[andrboot]: since you're going to be editing, a less compressed format may be easier to work with

DrEeevil++

friendly12345 i dont have 40gb's of space… i have liek 80gb max
:p

don't want anymore of you

I don't know the exact details as the drivers fail to work for me, but you should be able to deduce what to use from the ebuilds

dmesg complains about unsupported GPU and ask me to install nvidia-legacy

yes, increasing my quantity is good
yes, you need a specific version

hi to all! In a fresh gentoo installation, is it possible to have only python 2.5 ?
bhi to all! In a fresh gentoo installation, is it possible to have only python 2.5 ?/b

maybe 1.0.7185 would work?

specific*

yes

hi naib

I have on my system

how you did that?
you unmasked python before installing the package?
*packages

I run ~amd64 so yer
only way to run a python25 system fully atm

ok thank you very much

what is wrong with just keywording python-2.5?

cause then you have to keyword the relevant python apps that are python25 firendly and binary apps that are python25 friendly
but you could

true, but most apps should be fine with 2.5

they should, but there was a whole load of bugs that held python25 up and if you emerge one of those version which wern't made python25-ready then FAIL
but yer you can use the package.keyword file
I just find it easier to manage a short package.mask file (for those annoying apps in ~arch) then a long package.keyword file (to get apps I want)

better that than to ~arch a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with python

right now i have kyword jsut python
let's see if something blows up
then i'll keyword each apps that complain

emerge python25
then run "python-update"

*python-updater

then run "revdep-rebuild" (to catch the binary apps linked against python24.so
yup

anyone with it still dark and clear might want to watch the moon for the next while

blood

also with a fresh installation taken from a stage3?
i thought that was enough to unmask python 2.5 before running the update

stage3 is python2.4 too

what do you think?

@ DrEeevil still got hat problem wiht gtk+

and things like portage might not appreciate python changing
andrew[andrboot]: pastebin it please

BelialMkII, it's a nice eclipse

DrEeevil, ill try

as long as python-updater completes portage is fine

i'll rebuild a stage 3
unamsk python
unmask

I can only see it here, in arkansas, to cloudy http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/lunaeclipse2007/mooncam.html and their cam is messed up to make it worse

@ DrEeevil http://andrboot.com/dump/build.log

andrew[andrboot]: Also see /msg mzbot faq remerge-deep

error: no such option: -"

where a portage snapshots contains information about masked package?
i always used package.keywords file
but for rebuilding a stage3 i need to create a customized shapsots

emerge -n portage-utils && grep -vxFf (emerge -qep system) (emerge -qep pango) | sed -rne '/^\[ebuild/{s/(^| )\[[^]]*\]( |$)//gp}' | xargs qatom | awk '{print $1"/"$2}' | xargs emerge -1
that is correct ? yes ?

Hello, I am using ssh with socket feature to do not reautentificate again if I have a socket, but I can only to do max 10 connections, any idea?

andrew[andrboot]: dude … you're suffering from an incomplete expat upgrade

DrEeevil i sync'd and "remered xpat
wtf do i do ?

andrew[andrboot]: yeah, try revdep-rebuild

DrEeevil thats what i am doign

gtk falls over horribly and dies
right

and it crashed out
then i "manuallyed" tried

see /topic

glad my music is keeping my sane atm
i noticed..
rofl

mzbot has a rather magic command that should work
if that still fails you could try emerge -e world, but that will take some time

DrEeevil i take it | means a new command?

acpi-cpufreq works if i load speestep-lib

andrew[andrboot]: in general no, that's a pipe

i mean the msg that mzbot gives me

mzbot, teach andrew[andrboot] pipe

No such faq

okas

pipes connect the output of one command into the input of the next

runs teh big command
*me
man ssh is a life saver lol

Hi! I just learned that Mozilla supports the jar protocol and thus can browse the contents of a jar file. I thought this would be great for e.g. java-sdk-docs, compressing a 291M dir to a single 53M file. What do you suggest I do with this idea? File an RFE in bugzilla? Start a forum thread, and
if so, in which forum? Or anybody here interested in discussing this?

does that maybe break other ways of accessing documentation?

Sure does, Konqueror and Opera e.g. can't handle it. So it must be a configurable option.

is ther some peice of virtual instance i can run gentoo on but have it regged to my router nic ? so i can do samba from my pc ?

bugreport might be worth a try

cuz qemu virtualpc vmware etc all have a virtual network

is there a good way to unmerge all gnome pkgs?

On the other hand, there might be pagers out there that can't handle bzip2, and still we bzip2 normal text documentation unless the admin says otherwise.

i remember running colinux with tunetap direct on real network

OK, will write one.

but colinux causes bsod on this vista :$

@ DrEeevil that command started an emerge with 36 packages.

sounds like you want port forwarding
andrew[andrboot]: ok, that sounds good

not really

kk will keep infored ^_^ thnks heaps btw

most virtual applications to run an os in have allso a virtual network … i just want a virtual mac connect to real network
would make things way easier
i did that with colinux on xp to

ah, that shouldn't be hard to do

Couldn't you bridge the virtual network to the real network in the host system?

VMWare does something like that I believe

so that the virtual instance gets an ip from my router … how do i do that ?
it worked with colinux and tuntap

What is your host system?

vista
i need to run gentoo
but this pc is incompatible with any os except vista

The client system inside the VM is of no import, as long as it gives you a virtual network with your other network cards in the host.
uThe client system inside the VM is of no import, as long as it gives you a virtual network with your other network cards in the host./u
So you could right-click on this card and look for some menu entry saying something about bridging.

try VMware. I run VMware on (linux) hosts, and it supports network bridging. your virtual VMware NIC will get an buy dedicated ip from your router.

kool thkx
im downloading vmware workstation 6 atm

server is free in terms of charge

I can't get compose keys to work. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/hLGo7e19.html , using xfce4

really ?

yes
its even in portage

wow

you just need to grab a serial from vmware.com

what you're looking for is network bridging, that should do the trick

thkx mikem MvG_6 renihs

VMware server is in bad need of a refresh/upgrade though

howso ?

i followed this once to set up vmware server:

I can't emerge mysql-5.0.44 because of a "portage patch failed to apply (ltmain.sh)"

i followed this once to set up vmware server: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_VMWare_Server

erm, its just emerge vmware-server
then start the gui :p

there's also vmware kernel modules i think

ya its a dependency of server :p

anyone who can give me a tip how to unmerge all xfce packages fast?

surprise surprise :p

still good to read through the doc, it'll remind you to re-emerge the kernel modules after a kernel upgrade

ARGH DrEeevil still crashed out

forgot my bashing

I can't get compose keys to work. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/hLGo7e19.html , I'm using xfce4. it worked fine in gnome

You are likely to run into quirks with kernel 2.6.19 (and newer) as guests/hosts

maybe if i just piss gtk off ? and t ry a reemge :p

xdr, for bla in `find /var/db/pkg/xfce-* -name CONTENTS|cut -d/ -f5-6 `; do emerge -C =$bla;done
me wins for ugliest approach :p

thx

That was pretty ugly

whats quirks ?

friendly12345, yes :p
and dumb, but should work

it does

@ DrEeevil follonwing mzbot's idfea
aww crap 120 packages
oih well
its raping my entire network
so meh

the VMware site may have a few of them documented. Things like sound issues, etc

switching to windowmaker again

is there any sort of confcache replacement? i used it back in the 2005.1 days … but 2007.0 doesn't seem to have anything similar

is it dead?
any tip on a similar windowhandler?

well no longer worked on

It never really worked correctly

it has some known fatal bugs, as noone is able to fix it it has been retired

nvm about the compose key, I was pressing lwin instead of rwin

you got a tip on a similar windowhandler?

openbox is nice

so there's no replacement or equivalent?

hello everyone, i cannot make sshd work, i'm new to gentoo, could someone tell me where is the sshd's log?

as long as it works for you, it is not necessary to switch

I just did emerge -uD world and kde3.5.7 installed but
now its broken
fatal sever error no screens found
where do i start?

does "X" work by itself from the command line?

ideas appreciated

eix -I expat
What version?

ok i just removed .xinitrc
ran startx
and nothin
hmm

doesn't look kde related. you X server is not working

that sould have run twn ay?

yeah i said X

yeah

if you use a recent X server, try to rename/move your xorg.conf as it is not necessary any longer

so emerge world brok xorg maby

Do you have eix?
That's a now

eix

*no

um shoud I emerge that
emerge eix

emerge eix && update-eix && eix -I expat —–what version of expat

Reported this jar java hosting documentation idea as bug 190496, and it has been assigned to java. Let's wait and see.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/190496 enh, P5, All, Martin.vGagern@gmx.net-java@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, Support html documentation comrpessed into a jar file

i don't have eix

emerge eix
this is very handy tool

yup
hldon
ok im emerging
emerge eix && update-eix && eix -I expat

whats eix ?

so if i remmove xorg.config (don't worry ill mv it someware) might that fix things?
spose id have to Xorg -config
or whatever
generate another one

does anyone have an idea on how to set up a gimp-print/guttenprint printer in CUPS?

no, current xorg java server hosting works completely without xorg.conf (most of the time, that is)

I can't print with gimp

does windowmaker support transparencu?

oh wow
is that like just in ?
like did xorg 3 mnths ago do that?
(stable tree)

it was introduced in xorg-server-1.2 or 1.3 I think

when did that go stable
i wouldn't have a clue on version nubers

"eix xorg-server" will show you which versions are stable

exthingey installed
2
2.0.1
wops
sorry

/msg mzbot faq expat
Follow the listed instructions

I set up a gutenprint setup the other day. After emerging gimp-print with the foomaticdb USE flag, it worked pretty much out of the box.

ok thanks

CANON and EPSON, guess which one I have

hi at all..

all isn't here

But..when a program say that there's a bug..What should I do?

Both? Neither?

deleted xorg.conf
didn't fix it
(well moved it actuall)
oh gta go

MvG_6, HP?

maybe your VIDEO_CARDS in make.conf is wrong and xorg did not build the correct drivers?

work in that past

You might still try top add the printer manually, even if it wasn't automatically detected, or at least not correctly.

only after emerge of new kde
(even if unrelated)
oh gota go
thanks guys
will come again
and will /msg that thing
cheers

Unable to copy PPD file!

Not nice. You could have a look at some cups error logs if available, see if you find any details, but this looks like more trouble than I experienced.

cups error logs, where?

to set a package heavy masked, i must changed a setting in the ebuild?

/var/log/cups* I'd assume, but I haven'd cups on the system I'm working at right now, so I can't check.

wonder if I should run twm

doit
wmii is good

ok then, is there some way to print a graphic is such a way that no rescaling is done?

No space left on device"?

someone there??
ok bye

waou
one user of gentoo!!?

one person to reply who uses gentoo yes

cool

but a netsplit occured __epsi
so be patient

i am an old user of debian
i decided to use gentoo few days ago

old user as in 70yo, or used debian for some time

used debian for some time
3 years
i bought the dvd live gentoo 2007.0
and i have some difficulties

I do not have the network in my home

like?

the problem is i decided to use gentoo in order to compile host my libs

so you went for the DVD to have some of the pacakges on the DVD?

and without network it seems impossible
yes i have some package
but i do not know at all how to use them with emerge or portage
i look at the doc on gentoo.org but nothing without network?

in the handbook (sorry never used the DVD for package-sourcE) there should be a section telling you howto mount/use the DVD source
give me a second i will look, I have seen it before

ok
I do not want to use ebuilds i want to compile all on my computer (like gnome)

o.O
that is what ebuilds are for
they are just an auto-recipe for compiling it all

?
excuse GRP packages
I do not want binaries

there are only a couple of binary packages in gentoo tree, and they pretty much all end in -bin
eg:

how do I set a specific lingua for one pkg?

mozilla-firefox-bin

linguas map to USE-flags, look at the ebuild

gentoo is not very friendly to users who do not have network connections. but it can be done. at the very least, you'll need to download (1) a stage3 tarball (2) an up-to-date portage tree snapshot tarball (3) you'll also need to run emerge -fpv on other packages you need for the installation
to generate a list of links for downloading.

in package.use?

Please read the documentation on gentoo.org (including the handbook) and don't troll

he isn't trolling?

thanks friendlyxxx

he is asking some reasonable questions

with you sure that gentoo will come more and more used
ok bye
thanks naib

no. the USE-flags for linguas are usually calles linguas_X where X is the language code
s/calles/called/

trolling probably wasn't the right word.

there use to be a very simple (couplw commands) to use the tarballs from the DVD (well there was when I first install Gentoo back in 2001)
but that seems to have been removed

GRP is dead and buried. there is the graphical installer but it's not officially supported and I am not entirely sure as to whether it can truly operate without an Inernet connection.

mmm

it's not actually that difficult to pre-fetch the required files, but some advance Gentoo knowledge helps.

well suppose you could add a distfile entry in make.conf to point to the DVD disk __epsi
that should mean it will look there for the files

the main thing is getting the kernel sources/patches, and distfiles for the various tools that one typically installs that aren't present in a stage3 (syslog-ng, vixie-cron etc).
and it needs to be spot on.

oh yer, just use the -f option, but he has the DVD, so some of the install files and packages exist

I'm not really familiar with the layout of the DVD.

They really should kill GLI and bring back GRP imo
it was much more useful

yes but mplayer install "wrong lingua"

Where can I find the standard config-files that come with the emerged application. Stupidfingers hit 2 and deleted the update and .. well, I wanted the updated conf file

Re-emerge the packagew with –noconfmem - there's no other way afaik (other than digging files out of tarballs)

what line did you put in package.use for mplayer, and can you give more details about "wrong lingua"

oh, found it in the CVS/SVN trunk to hehe *smacks self*

also, if you use dispatch-conf, it will keep a history of all config files changes

If you use dispatch-conf instead of etc-update, you can isntall and enable rcs archives, which means you get a diff history of all changes seen by dispatch-conf. See the dispatch-conf man page and gentoo-wiki.com (an unofficial, user-editable site) pages for more info

yeah, saw that.. looed at the forum for a while, but couldn't seem to find the conf file wo. reemerging so had to ask before I tok that upon me

linguas_en is in package.use

most times you can keep the old cfg and look thru the diff in etc-u, but upgraded from apache 2.0 too 2.2 and was supposed to overwrite the old cfg.. (cos my manual crap for each module is .. well.. moved out of that file)

to one line of package.use reads like "media-video/mplayer linguas_en -linguas_se" or similar?

yes

and you have still "wrong lingua"

hope not
will come back if it's that way

anyone has an idea why is that only the half of my pidgin system tray icon is visible? here is the pic: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1595/taskbarad3.png

How do I use a patch on a package that's in portage?

what you mean?

Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1638: Called dyn_compile / Called qa_call 'src_compile' / Called die. Anyone has idea about this build error?

use it on your own sources?
too little info… further up

isnt that enough
?

i'm trying to set up moc (music on console), but AAC isn't working despite my correct USE flags, etc. someone on the moc forums posted a patch that he said makes it work… so I want to patch the package. How do I do it?

Can anybody give me a little help with updating Portage, please?

Set up an overlay and then copy all the stuff over. second, modify the ebuild in your overlay. 'epatch' command is your friend.

what bugs you?

unpack' is your friend as well.

how to copy paste build error messages?

use pastebin website

or emerge nopaste

I'm right now installing gentoo2007, following the online documentation. After chrooting to the newly installed environment I updated Portage with emerge –sync

unpack, patch in /var/tmp/portage…blabla, then run a make and make install manually

but I recommend patching the ebuild.

oi.. this is a c/c++ question. it's possible to use #ifdef _WIN32 to detect windows. Is there something similar for linux? like _LINUX ?

i will paste it on pastebin but cant copy from build messages

in console?

yes

you got the console-mouse service running?

yes, on fluxbox
currently using xterm

highlight and paste it

It worked alright, and when it recommended me to update Portage with emerge portage I did so. Afterwards it told I'd have to update some files in /etc

no Ctrl+C right?

we need the error from the compiler

middle-mouse \o/

And here's my problem, I don't know which files and how to update them

one moment arturo_on_rails

doesn't seem reasonable…

that's fine. just run etc-update

#ifndef _WIN32

dispatch-conf or etc-update

but I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Okay, it sounded really essential
Colors and all

chithead, i'm aware of that, but it's to be used on 3 os's (win32, linux, macosx), so i need to know if there's some for linux..

i tried putting the patch in /usr/portage/media-sound/moc/files and then adding an epatch line to the ebuild, but then i got an error saying the filesize of the ebuild didn't match the recorded size. is this the correct method?

yes it is. Go to the gcc website

manifest to recreate the MD5 checksums

It told me that emerge –help config or something would tell me how to update, but when I entered that it just told me that the use of config is deprecated (sp?)

"deprecated" is spelled correctly.

kay, thanks, no native speaker here

better use an overlay for that
next –sync will wipe your changes …

I'll try the etc-update then?

akahn: You're using an overlay right?

so, make a dir in ~, tell make.conf where that dir is, put the ebuild in there, ebuild moc.ebuild digest, emerge moc ?

#ifndef _MAC seriously, from a porting perspective, linux is not that different from eg. Solaris/BSD/whatever, so you can treat them all the same

yes, that's the strategy … just the details may be slightly different

what do i need to copy over, just the ebuild?

yes, but you have to put it in a subdirectory that reflects the category name

rigth

if there are patches in the files directory, copy them over as well

there are, i'll do tha

is there anyway to locate a package wich depends on qt/kdelibs?

i'm going to try unmasking the 2.4.2 before i try this though, maybe AAC will work correctly without a overlay and special patch in the newer version

what exactly are you looking for?

equery
*could* be what you are after
or eix

but I don't have qt/kdelibs installed

if you don't want kdelibs, put it in package.mask and portage will tell you which package depends on it

ha one way of doing it!
problem with that way is it will only show the first that FAIL

thx

well hey just upgrading to the masked 2.4.2 of moc worked fine

hey guys how can i change the group as which apache2 runs ?

thx btw

why would you want to do that?

DrEeevil, because i have a group called www which is for all vhosts and i want that group to be used by lighttpd and apache
and i dont want to reinstall confixx

but would re-installing confixx be simpler?

isnt that just a simple option somewhere ? as which group apache2 runs ?

hmm, that's suboptimal

it is in the apache config file tho
Group nobody
oops

Hehe

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Hi I just learned that Mozilla supports the jar protocol and thus can browse the contents of a jar file I thought

September 22, 2007 at 5:17 am · Filed under JSP

rip, but it was very tricky to get running
once running it was really cool though

crap

andrew[andrboot]: If you have a package you need to have working quickly, emerge -e package

lolbots
what does -e do ?

-e … you must be joking
please don't give such random advice

quickly is a relative term

revdep-rebuild will be faster than -e I think, system alone will take 2h which revdep avoids

andrew[andrboot]: the full mzbot command is the recommended way

DrEeevil ill found out soon bout my lappy currently finishing sync

hi2all
why my CPU (Intel Pentium Dual Core Mobile T2080) is not working with speedstep-centtino
cpufreq driver

kernel config maybe?

5 seconds

i assume he said speedstep-centrino*

@ DrEeevil my lappy is a 1Ghz P4 M(centrino) but it can utilise a 2.6 p4 and a 2500+ amd via distcc

so core 2 duo cpu series use centrino speedstep?

yes, but I'd assume it's an incompete kernel config

ACPI P-states driver should be sufficient, should it not?

andrew[andrboot]: hmm, that sounds acceptable

i was wondernig if there is a seperate speedtep for core 2 duo in kernel

i think there is something in latest
not sure though
ahno those where temp sensors, nvm

one of the speedstep ones is being deprecated and rolled into another driver
forget which one

ah, i see. thanks friendly12345
i dont' have any intel cpu so i dont' really look into it when i compile kernel

I never got it working properly here, whichever daemon I choose.

http://rafb.net/p/KzsC6k81.html

fk
*crapo
DrEeevil i am using a fresh gnome/xorg install. will i have a problem using distcc do you tihnk?

possible, but unlikely

from memory you can only have one driver

i'm loading speedstep-centrino

*Crapola!* … borked "MailDrop Config" http://gentoo-wiki.com/Maildrop_configuration

it works with p4-clockmod

I just replaced procmail with maildrop and maildrop delivers email extremely quickly compared to procmail!

hmm?

yea… guess too many connections… maybe one too many page reloads… having fun editing it for readability

greets. oss sound works ok, but I can't get the alsa sound to work. I get these messages from mplayer:-

wich pkg does libstdc++ belong to?

no sound.

anybody got any ideas? ThinkPad T41

hmm, that looks like a confused kernel

That's possible.

CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=y was sufficient for me

anyone knows?

who knows

libstdc++

gcc or libstdc++

ok…
libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory — get this error message…why could that be`

hmm
did you play around with gcc recently?

got libstdc++-v3

because there's no such file or directory, it says so right there . run revdep-rebuild

lol

no, it just appered right now
though I got libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so.5.0.7

fascinating

revdep-rebuild I will do

DrEeevil qustion,do you knw of any good "movie" authoring programs? and ones that can be used over an network (exporing movie wise)

andrew[andrboot]: no

damn

andrew[andrboot]: cinelerra ?

hmm
i think i had problems with that a while back
ill give it another shot
worth a try

cinelerra requires at least a GB of memory, has a totally wierd GUI.

yea ive a gb

once you are used to it, I believe it produces good o/p

bloggsie i take it you have used cinelerre fairly extensivly?
scsu my shoddy spelling

andrew[andrboot]: You can also make use of clusters with it

hehe i will be picking u guys brains soon then once i get these dvd's ripped

tried it once on an underpowered machine, and got totally confused.

for now…

Naib, for now ?

looks as if cinelerra would be overkill for that. Machine spec should be fine imho. have fun!

awesome
DrEeevil for dvd rip do you recomomend xvid exports?/rips ?

dd fwt
s/fwt/ftw

andrew[andrboot]: I don't care much as I don't buy DRM'ed media if I can avoid it

convenience

DrEeevil++

meh

is that a new C command ?
forgot the ; anyway
:p

new command?
new variable maybe, BUT we dont want any more of DrEeevil

I'm wearing my FSF "got freedom?" T-Shirt …

hehe

what!

hmm.. i've noticed nvidia legacy drivers are not in portage anymore but i need them to use my GPU.. they are not merged in nvidia drivers what can i do?

w00t ripping now

the driver ebuilds have been unified again

andrew[andrboot]: since you're going to be editing, a less compressed format may be easier to work with

DrEeevil++

friendly12345 i dont have 40gb's of space… i have liek 80gb max
:p

don't want anymore of you

I don't know the exact details as the drivers fail to work for me, but you should be able to deduce what to use from the ebuilds

dmesg complains about unsupported GPU and ask me to install nvidia-legacy

yes, increasing my quantity is good
yes, you need a specific version

hi to all! In a fresh gentoo installation, is it possible to have only python 2.5 ?
bhi to all! In a fresh gentoo installation, is it possible to have only python 2.5 ?/b

maybe 1.0.7185 would work?

specific*

yes

hi naib

I have on my system

how you did that?
you unmasked python before installing the package?
*packages

I run ~amd64 so yer
only way to run a python25 system fully atm

ok thank you very much

what is wrong with just keywording python-2.5?

cause then you have to keyword the relevant python apps that are python25 firendly and binary apps that are python25 friendly
but you could

true, but most apps should be fine with 2.5

better that than to ~arch a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with python

right now i have kyword jsut python
let's see if something blows up
then i'll keyword each apps that complain

emerge python25
then run "python-update"

*python-updater

then run "revdep-rebuild" (to catch the binary apps linked against python24.so
yup

anyone with it still dark and clear might want to watch the moon for the next while

blood

also with a fresh installation taken from a stage3?
i thought that was enough to unmask python 2.5 before running the update

stage3 is python2.4 too

what do you think?

@ DrEeevil still got hat problem wiht gtk+

and things like portage might not appreciate python changing
andrew[andrboot]: pastebin it please

BelialMkII, it's a nice eclipse

DrEeevil, ill try

as long as python-updater completes portage is fine

i'll rebuild a stage 3
unamsk python
unmask

I can only see it here, in arkansas, to cloudy http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/lunaeclipse2007/mooncam.html and their cam is messed up to make it worse

@ DrEeevil http://andrboot.com/dump/build.log

andrew[andrboot]: Also see /msg mzbot faq remerge-deep

error: no such option: -"

where a portage snapshots contains information about masked package?
i always used package.keywords file
but for rebuilding a stage3 i need to create a customized shapsots

Hello, I am using ssh with socket feature to do not reautentificate again if I have a socket, but I can only to do max 10 connections, any idea?

andrew[andrboot]: dude … you're suffering from an incomplete expat upgrade

DrEeevil i sync'd and "remered xpat
wtf do i do ?

andrew[andrboot]: yeah, try revdep-rebuild

DrEeevil thats what i am doign

gtk falls over horribly and dies
right

and it crashed out
then i "manuallyed" tried

see /topic

glad my music is keeping my sane atm
i noticed..
rofl

mzbot has a rather magic command that should work
if that still fails you could try emerge -e world, but that will take some time

DrEeevil i take it | means a new command?

acpi-cpufreq works if i load speestep-lib

andrew[andrboot]: in general no, that's a pipe

i mean the msg that mzbot gives me

mzbot, teach andrew[andrboot] pipe

No such faq

okas

pipes connect the output of one command into the input of the next

runs teh big command
*me
man ssh is a life saver lol

does that maybe break other ways of accessing documentation?

Sure does, Konqueror and Opera e.g. can't handle it. So it must be a configurable option.

is ther some peice of virtual instance i can run gentoo on but have it regged to my router nic ? so i can do samba from my pc ?

bugreport might be worth a try

cuz qemu virtualpc vmware etc all have a virtual network

is there a good way to unmerge all gnome pkgs?

On the other hand, there might be pagers out there that can't handle bzip2, and still we bzip2 normal text documentation unless the admin says otherwise.

i remember running colinux with tunetap direct on real network

OK, will write one.

but colinux causes bsod on this vista :$

@ DrEeevil that command started an emerge with 36 packages.

sounds like you want port forwarding
andrew[andrboot]: ok, that sounds good

not really

kk will keep infored ^_^ thnks heaps btw

most virtual applications to run an os in have allso a virtual network … i just want a virtual mac connect to real network
would make things way easier
i did that with colinux on xp to

ah, that shouldn't be hard to do

Couldn't you bridge the virtual network to the real network in the host system?

VMWare does something like that I believe

so that the virtual instance gets an ip from my router … how do i do that ?
it worked with colinux and tuntap

What is your host system?

vista
i need to run gentoo
but this pc is incompatible with any os except vista

try VMware. I run VMware on (linux) hosts, and it supports network bridging. your virtual VMware NIC will get an buy dedicated ip from your router.

kool thkx
im downloading vmware workstation 6 atm

server is free in terms of charge

I can't get compose keys to work. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/hLGo7e19.html , using xfce4

really ?

yes
its even in portage

wow

you just need to grab a serial from vmware.com

what you're looking for is network bridging, that should do the trick

thkx mikem MvG_6 renihs

VMware server is in bad need of a refresh/upgrade though

howso ?

i followed this once to set up vmware server:

I can't emerge mysql-5.0.44 because of a "portage patch failed to apply (ltmain.sh)"

i followed this once to set up vmware server: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_VMWare_Server

erm, its just emerge vmware-server
then start the gui :p

there's also vmware kernel modules i think

ya its a dependency of server :p

anyone who can give me a tip how to unmerge all xfce packages fast?

surprise surprise :p

still good to read through the doc, it'll remind you to re-emerge the kernel modules after a kernel upgrade

ARGH DrEeevil still crashed out

forgot my bashing

I can't get compose keys to work. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/hLGo7e19.html , I'm using xfce4. it worked fine in gnome

You are likely to run into quirks with kernel 2.6.19 (and newer) as guests/hosts

maybe if i just piss gtk off ? and t ry a reemge :p

xdr, for bla in `find /var/db/pkg/xfce-* -name CONTENTS|cut -d/ -f5-6 `; do emerge -C =$bla;done
me wins for ugliest approach :p

thx

That was pretty ugly

whats quirks ?

friendly12345, yes :p
and dumb, but should work

it does

@ DrEeevil follonwing mzbot's idfea
aww crap 120 packages
oih well
its raping my entire network
so meh

the VMware site may have a few of them documented. Things like sound issues, etc

switching to windowmaker again

is there any sort of confcache replacement? i used it back in the 2005.1 days … but 2007.0 doesn't seem to have anything similar

is it dead?
any tip on a similar windowhandler?

well no longer worked on

It never really worked correctly

it has some known fatal bugs, as noone is able to fix it it has been retired

nvm about the compose key, I was pressing lwin instead of rwin

you got a tip on a similar windowhandler?

openbox is nice

so there's no replacement or equivalent?

hello everyone, i cannot make sshd work, i'm new to gentoo, could someone tell me where is the sshd's log?

as long as it works for you, it is not necessary to switch

I just did emerge -uD world and kde3.5.7 installed but
now its broken
fatal sever error no screens found
where do i start?

does "X" work by itself from the command line?

ideas appreciated

eix -I expat
What version?

ok i just removed .xinitrc
ran startx
and nothin
hmm

doesn't look kde related. you X server is not working

that sould have run twn ay?

yeah i said X

yeah

if you use a recent X server, try to rename/move your xorg.conf as it is not necessary any longer

so emerge world brok xorg maby

Do you have eix?
That's a now

eix

*no

um shoud I emerge that
emerge eix

emerge eix && update-eix && eix -I expat —–what version of expat

Reported this jar java hosting documentation idea as bug 190496, and it has been assigned to java. Let's wait and see.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/190496 enh, P5, All, Martin.vGagern@gmx.net-java@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, Support html documentation comrpessed into a jar file

i don't have eix

emerge eix
this is very handy tool

yup
hldon
ok im emerging
emerge eix && update-eix && eix -I expat

whats eix ?

so if i remmove xorg.config (don't worry ill mv it someware) might that fix things?
spose id have to Xorg -config
or whatever
generate another one

does anyone have an idea on how to set up a gimp-print/guttenprint printer in CUPS?

no, current xorg java server hosting works completely without xorg.conf (most of the time, that is)

I can't print with gimp

does windowmaker support transparencu?

oh wow
is that like just in ?
like did xorg 3 mnths ago do that?
(stable tree)

it was introduced in xorg-server-1.2 or 1.3 I think

when did that go stable
i wouldn't have a clue on version nubers

"eix xorg-server" will show you which versions are stable

exthingey installed
2
2.0.1
wops
sorry

/msg mzbot faq expat
Follow the listed instructions

I set up a gutenprint setup the other day. After emerging gimp-print with the foomaticdb USE flag, it worked pretty much out of the box.

ok thanks

CANON and EPSON, guess which one I have

hi at all..

all isn't here

But..when a program say that there's a bug..What should I do?

Both? Neither?

deleted xorg.conf
didn't fix it
(well moved it actuall)
oh gta go

MvG_6, HP?

maybe your VIDEO_CARDS in make.conf is wrong and xorg did not build the correct drivers?

work in that past

You might still try top add the printer manually, even if it wasn't automatically detected, or at least not correctly.

only after emerge of new kde
(even if unrelated)
oh gota go
thanks guys
will come again
and will /msg that thing
cheers

Unable to copy PPD file!

Not nice. You could have a look at some cups error logs if available, see if you find any details, but this looks like more trouble than I experienced.

cups error logs, where?

to set a package heavy masked, i must changed a setting in the ebuild?

/var/log/cups* I'd assume, but I haven'd cups on the system I'm working at right now, so I can't check.

wonder if I should run twm

doit
wmii is good

ok then, is there some way to print a graphic is such a way that no rescaling is done?

No space left on device"?

someone there??
ok bye

waou
one user of gentoo!!?

one person to reply who uses gentoo yes

cool

but a netsplit occured __epsi
so be patient

i am an old user of debian
i decided to use gentoo few days ago

old user as in 70yo, or used debian for some time

used debian for some time
3 years
i bought the dvd live gentoo 2007.0
and i have some difficulties

I do not have the network in my home

like?

the problem is i decided to use gentoo in order to compile host my libs

so you went for the DVD to have some of the pacakges on the DVD?

and without network it seems impossible
yes i have some package
but i do not know at all how to use them with emerge or portage
i look at the doc on gentoo.org but nothing without network?

in the handbook (sorry never used the DVD for package-sourcE) there should be a section telling you howto mount/use the DVD source
give me a second i will look, I have seen it before

ok
I do not want to use ebuilds i want to compile all on my computer (like gnome)

o.O
that is what ebuilds are for
they are just an auto-recipe for compiling it all

?
excuse GRP packages
I do not want binaries

there are only a couple of binary packages in gentoo tree, and they pretty much all end in -bin
eg:

how do I set a specific lingua for one pkg?

mozilla-firefox-bin

linguas map to USE-flags, look at the ebuild

in package.use?

Please read the documentation on gentoo.org (including the handbook) and don't troll

he isn't trolling?

thanks friendlyxxx

he is asking some reasonable questions

with you sure that gentoo will come more and more used
ok bye
thanks naib

no. the USE-flags for linguas are usually calles linguas_X where X is the language code
s/calles/called/

trolling probably wasn't the right word.

there use to be a very simple (couplw commands) to use the tarballs from the DVD (well there was when I first install Gentoo back in 2001)
but that seems to have been removed

GRP is dead and buried. there is the graphical installer but it's not officially supported and I am not entirely sure as to whether it can truly operate without an Inernet connection.

mmm

it's not actually that difficult to pre-fetch the required files, but some advance Gentoo knowledge helps.

well suppose you could add a distfile entry in make.conf to point to the DVD disk __epsi
that should mean it will look there for the files

oh yer, just use the -f option, but he has the DVD, so some of the install files and packages exist

I'm not really familiar with the layout of the DVD.

They really should kill GLI and bring back GRP imo
it was much more useful

yes but mplayer install "wrong lingua"

Where can I find the standard config-files that come with the emerged application. Stupidfingers hit 2 and deleted the update and .. well, I wanted the updated conf file

Re-emerge the packagew with –noconfmem - there's no other way afaik (other than digging files out of tarballs)

what line did you put in package.use for mplayer, and can you give more details about "wrong lingua"

oh, found it in the CVS/SVN trunk to hehe *smacks self*

also, if you use dispatch-conf, it will keep a history of all config files changes

yeah, saw that.. looed at the forum for a while, but couldn't seem to find the conf file wo. reemerging so had to ask before I tok that upon me

linguas_en is in package.use

to one line of package.use reads like "media-video/mplayer linguas_en -linguas_se" or similar?

yes

and you have still "wrong lingua"

hope not
will come back if it's that way

anyone has an idea why is that only the half of my pidgin system tray icon is visible? here is the pic: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1595/taskbarad3.png

How do I use a patch on a package that's in portage?

what you mean?

Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1638: Called dyn_compile / Called qa_call 'src_compile' / Called die. Anyone has idea about this build error?

use it on your own sources?
too little info… further up

isnt that enough
?

Can anybody give me a little help with updating Portage, please?

Set up an overlay and then copy all the stuff over. second, modify the ebuild in your overlay. 'epatch' command is your friend.

what bugs you?

unpack' is your friend as well.

how to copy paste build error messages?

use pastebin website

or emerge nopaste

I'm right now installing gentoo2007, following the online documentation. After chrooting to the newly installed environment I updated Portage with emerge –sync

unpack, patch in /var/tmp/portage…blabla, then run a make and make install manually

but I recommend patching the ebuild.

oi.. this is a c/c++ question. it's possible to use #ifdef _WIN32 to detect windows. Is there something similar for linux? like _LINUX ?

i will paste it on pastebin but cant copy from build messages

in console?

yes

you got the console-mouse service running?

yes, on fluxbox
currently using xterm

highlight and paste it

It worked alright, and when it recommended me to update Portage with emerge portage I did so. Afterwards it told I'd have to update some files in /etc

no Ctrl+C right?

we need the error from the compiler

middle-mouse \o/

And here's my problem, I don't know which files and how to update them

one moment arturo_on_rails

doesn't seem reasonable…

that's fine. just run etc-update

#ifndef _WIN32

dispatch-conf or etc-update

but I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Okay, it sounded really essential
Colors and all

chithead, i'm aware of that, but it's to be used on 3 os's (win32, linux, macosx), so i need to know if there's some for linux..

yes it is. Go to the gcc website

manifest to recreate the MD5 checksums

It told me that emerge –help config or something would tell me how to update, but when I entered that it just told me that the use of config is deprecated (sp?)

"deprecated" is spelled correctly.

kay, thanks, no native speaker here

better use an overlay for that
next –sync will wipe your changes …

I'll try the etc-update then?

akahn: You're using an overlay right?

so, make a dir in ~, tell make.conf where that dir is, put the ebuild in there, ebuild moc.ebuild digest, emerge moc ?

#ifndef _MAC seriously, from a porting perspective, linux is not that different from eg. Solaris/BSD/whatever, so you can treat them all the same

yes, that's the strategy … just the details may be slightly different

what do i need to copy over, just the ebuild?

yes, but you have to put it in a subdirectory that reflects the category name

rigth

if there are patches in the files directory, copy them over as well

there are, i'll do tha

is there anyway to locate a package wich depends on qt/kdelibs?

i'm going to try unmasking the 2.4.2 before i try this though, maybe AAC will work correctly without a overlay and special patch in the newer version

what exactly are you looking for?

equery
*could* be what you are after
or eix

but I don't have qt/kdelibs installed

if you don't want kdelibs, put it in package.mask and portage will tell you which package depends on it

ha one way of doing it!
problem with that way is it will only show the first that FAIL

thx

well hey just upgrading to the masked 2.4.2 of moc worked fine

hey guys how can i change the group as which apache2 runs ?

thx btw

why would you want to do that?

DrEeevil, because i have a group called www which is for all vhosts and i want that group to be used by lighttpd and apache
and i dont want to reinstall confixx

but would re-installing confixx be simpler?

isnt that just a simple option somewhere ? as which group apache2 runs ?

hmm, that's suboptimal

it is in the apache config file tho
Group nobody
oops

Hehe

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rip, but it was very tricky to get running
once running it was really cool though

crap

andrew[andrboot]: If you have a package you need to have working quickly, emerge -e package

lolbots
what does -e do ?

-e … you must be joking
please don't give such random advice

quickly is a relative term

revdep-rebuild will be faster than -e I think, system alone will take 2h which revdep avoids

andrew[andrboot]: the full mzbot command is the recommended way

DrEeevil ill found out soon bout my lappy currently finishing sync

hi2all
why my CPU (Intel Pentium Dual Core Mobile T2080) is not working with speedstep-centtino
cpufreq driver

kernel config maybe?

5 seconds

i assume he said speedstep-centrino*

@ DrEeevil my lappy is a 1Ghz P4 M(centrino) but it can utilise a 2.6 p4 and a 2500+ amd via distcc

so core 2 duo cpu series use centrino speedstep?

yes, but I'd assume it's an incompete kernel config

ACPI P-states driver should be sufficient, should it not?

andrew[andrboot]: hmm, that sounds acceptable

i was wondernig if there is a seperate speedtep for core 2 duo in kernel

i think there is something in latest
not sure though
ahno those where temp sensors, nvm

one of the speedstep ones is being deprecated and rolled into another driver
forget which one

ah, i see. thanks friendly12345
i dont' have any intel cpu so i dont' really look into it when i compile kernel

I never got it working properly here, whichever daemon I choose.

http://rafb.net/p/KzsC6k81.html

fk
*crapo
DrEeevil i am using a fresh gnome/xorg install. will i have a problem using distcc do you tihnk?

possible, but unlikely

from memory you can only have one driver

i'm loading speedstep-centrino

*Crapola!* … borked "MailDrop Config" http://gentoo-wiki.com/Maildrop_configuration

it works with p4-clockmod

I just replaced procmail with maildrop and maildrop delivers email extremely quickly compared to procmail!

hmm?

yea… guess too many connections… maybe one too many page reloads… having fun editing it for readability

greets. oss sound works ok, but I can't get the alsa sound to work. I get these messages from mplayer:-

wich pkg does libstdc++ belong to?

no sound.

anybody got any ideas? ThinkPad T41

hmm, that looks like a confused kernel

That's possible.

CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=y was sufficient for me

anyone knows?

who knows

libstdc++

gcc or libstdc++

ok…
libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory — get this error message…why could that be`

hmm
did you play around with gcc recently?

got libstdc++-v3

because there's no such file or directory, it says so right there . run revdep-rebuild

lol

no, it just appered right now
though I got libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so.5.0.7

fascinating

revdep-rebuild I will do

DrEeevil qustion,do you knw of any good "movie" authoring programs? and ones that can be used over an network (exporing movie wise)

andrew[andrboot]: no

damn

andrew[andrboot]: cinelerra ?

hmm
i think i had problems with that a while back
ill give it another shot
worth a try

cinelerra requires at least a GB of memory, has a totally wierd GUI.

yea ive a gb

once you are used to it, I believe it produces good o/p

bloggsie i take it you have used cinelerre fairly extensivly?
scsu my shoddy spelling

andrew[andrboot]: You can also make use of clusters with it

hehe i will be picking u guys brains soon then once i get these dvd's ripped

tried it once on an underpowered machine, and got totally confused.

for now…

Naib, for now ?

looks as if cinelerra would be overkill for that. Machine spec should be fine imho. have fun!

awesome
DrEeevil for dvd rip do you recomomend xvid exports?/rips ?

dd fwt
s/fwt/ftw

andrew[andrboot]: I don't care much as I don't buy DRM'ed media if I can avoid it

convenience

DrEeevil++

meh

is that a new C command ?
forgot the ; anyway
:p

new command?
new variable maybe, BUT we dont want any more of DrEeevil

I'm wearing my FSF "got freedom?" T-Shirt …

hehe

what!

hmm.. i've noticed nvidia legacy drivers are not in portage anymore but i need them to use my GPU.. they are not merged in nvidia drivers what can i do?

w00t ripping now

the driver ebuilds have been unified again

andrew[andrboot]: since you're going to be editing, a less compressed format may be easier to work with

DrEeevil++

friendly12345 i dont have 40gb's of space… i have liek 80gb max
:p

don't want anymore of you

I don't know the exact details as the drivers fail to work for me, but you should be able to deduce what to use from the ebuilds

dmesg complains about unsupported GPU and ask me to install nvidia-legacy

yes, increasing my quantity is good
yes, you need a specific version

hi to all! In a fresh gentoo installation, is it possible to have only python 2.5 ?
bhi to all! In a fresh gentoo installation, is it possible to have only python 2.5 ?/b

maybe 1.0.7185 would work?

specific*

yes

hi naib

I have on my system

how you did that?
you unmasked python before installing the package?
*packages

I run ~amd64 so yer
only way to run a python25 system fully atm

ok thank you very much

what is wrong with just keywording python-2.5?

cause then you have to keyword the relevant python apps that are python25 firendly and binary apps that are python25 friendly
but you could

true, but most apps should be fine with 2.5

better that than to ~arch a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with python

right now i have kyword jsut python
let's see if something blows up
then i'll keyword each apps that complain

emerge python25
then run "python-update"

*python-updater

then run "revdep-rebuild" (to catch the binary apps linked against python24.so
yup

anyone with it still dark and clear might want to watch the moon for the next while

blood

also with a fresh installation taken from a stage3?
i thought that was enough to unmask python 2.5 before running the update

stage3 is python2.4 too

what do you think?

@ DrEeevil still got hat problem wiht gtk+

and things like portage might not appreciate python changing
andrew[andrboot]: pastebin it please

BelialMkII, it's a nice eclipse

DrEeevil, ill try

as long as python-updater completes portage is fine

i'll rebuild a stage 3
unamsk python
unmask

I can only see it here, in arkansas, to cloudy http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/lunaeclipse2007/mooncam.html and their cam is messed up to make it worse

@ DrEeevil http://andrboot.com/dump/build.log

andrew[andrboot]: Also see /msg mzbot faq remerge-deep

error: no such option: -"

where a portage snapshots contains information about masked package?
i always used package.keywords file
but for rebuilding a stage3 i need to create a customized shapsots

Hello, I am using ssh with socket feature to do not reautentificate again if I have a socket, but I can only to do max 10 connections, any idea?

andrew[andrboot]: dude … you're suffering from an incomplete expat upgrade

DrEeevil i sync'd and "remered xpat
wtf do i do ?

andrew[andrboot]: yeah, try revdep-rebuild

DrEeevil thats what i am doign

gtk falls over horribly and dies
right

and it crashed out
then i "manuallyed" tried

see /topic

glad my music is keeping my sane atm
i noticed..
rofl

mzbot has a rather magic command that should work
if that still fails you could try emerge -e world, but that will take some time

DrEeevil i take it | means a new command?

acpi-cpufreq works if i load speestep-lib

andrew[andrboot]: in general no, that's a pipe

i mean the msg that mzbot gives me

mzbot, teach andrew[andrboot] pipe

No such faq

okas

pipes connect the output of one command into the input of the next

runs teh big command
*me
man ssh is a life saver lol

does that maybe break other ways of accessing documentation?

Sure does, Konqueror and Opera e.g. can't handle it. So it must be a configurable option.

is ther some peice of virtual instance i can run gentoo on but have it regged to my router nic ? so i can do samba from my pc ?

bugreport might be worth a try

cuz qemu virtualpc vmware etc all have a virtual network

is there a good way to unmerge all gnome pkgs?

On the other hand, there might be pagers out there that can't handle bzip2, and still we bzip2 normal text documentation unless the admin says otherwise.

i remember running colinux with tunetap direct on real network

OK, will write one.

but colinux causes bsod on this vista :$

@ DrEeevil that command started an emerge with 36 packages.

sounds like you want port forwarding
andrew[andrboot]: ok, that sounds good

not really

kk will keep infored ^_^ thnks heaps btw

most virtual applications to run an os in have allso a virtual network … i just want a virtual mac connect to real network
would make things way easier
i did that with colinux on xp to

ah, that shouldn't be hard to do

Couldn't you bridge the virtual network to the real network in the host system?

VMWare does something like that I believe

so that the virtual instance gets an ip from my router … how do i do that ?
it worked with colinux and tuntap

What is your host system?

vista
i need to run gentoo
but this pc is incompatible with any os except vista

try VMware. I run VMware on (linux) hosts, and it supports network bridging. your virtual VMware NIC will get an buy dedicated ip from your router.

kool thkx
im downloading vmware workstation 6 atm

server is free in terms of charge

I can't get compose keys to work. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/hLGo7e19.html , using xfce4

really ?

yes
its even in portage

wow

you just need to grab a serial from vmware.com

what you're looking for is network bridging, that should do the trick

thkx mikem MvG_6 renihs

VMware server is in bad need of a refresh/upgrade though

howso ?

i followed this once to set up vmware server:

I can't emerge mysql-5.0.44 because of a "portage patch failed to apply (ltmain.sh)"

i followed this once to set up vmware server: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_VMWare_Server

erm, its just emerge vmware-server
then start the gui :p

there's also vmware kernel modules i think

ya its a dependency of server :p

anyone who can give me a tip how to unmerge all xfce packages fast?

surprise surprise :p

still good to read through the doc, it'll remind you to re-emerge the kernel modules after a kernel upgrade

ARGH DrEeevil still crashed out

forgot my bashing

I can't get compose keys to work. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/hLGo7e19.html , I'm using xfce4. it worked fine in gnome

You are likely to run into quirks with kernel 2.6.19 (and newer) as guests/hosts

maybe if i just piss gtk off ? and t ry a reemge :p

xdr, for bla in `find /var/db/pkg/xfce-* -name CONTENTS|cut -d/ -f5-6 `; do emerge -C =$bla;done
me wins for ugliest approach :p

thx

That was pretty ugly

whats quirks ?

friendly12345, yes :p
and dumb, but should work

it does

@ DrEeevil follonwing mzbot's idfea
aww crap 120 packages
oih well
its raping my entire network
so meh

the VMware site may have a few of them documented. Things like sound issues, etc

switching to windowmaker again

is there any sort of confcache replacement? i used it back in the 2005.1 days … but 2007.0 doesn't seem to have anything similar

is it dead?
any tip on a similar windowhandler?

well no longer worked on

It never really worked correctly

it has some known fatal bugs, as noone is able to fix it it has been retired

nvm about the compose key, I was pressing lwin instead of rwin

you got a tip on a similar windowhandler?

openbox is nice

so there's no replacement or equivalent?

hello everyone, i cannot make sshd work, i'm new to gentoo, could someone tell me where is the sshd's log?

as long as it works for you, it is not necessary to switch

I just did emerge -uD world and kde3.5.7 installed but
now its broken
fatal sever error no screens found
where do i start?

does "X" work by itself from the command line?

ideas appreciated

eix -I expat
What version?

ok i just removed .xinitrc
ran startx
and nothin
hmm

doesn't look kde related. you X server is not working

that sould have run twn ay?

yeah i said X

yeah

if you use a recent X server, try to rename/move your xorg.conf as it is not necessary any longer

so emerge world brok xorg maby

Do you have eix?
That's a now

eix

*no

um shoud I emerge that
emerge eix

emerge eix && update-eix && eix -I expat —–what version of expat

Reported this jar java hosting documentation idea as bug 190496, and it has been assigned to java. Let's wait and see.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/190496 enh, P5, All, Martin.vGagern@gmx.net-java@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, Support html documentation comrpessed into a jar file

i don't have eix

emerge eix
this is very handy tool

yup
hldon
ok im emerging
emerge eix && update-eix && eix -I expat

whats eix ?

so if i remmove xorg.config (don't worry ill mv it someware) might that fix things?
spose id have to Xorg -config
or whatever
generate another one

does anyone have an idea on how to set up a gimp-print/guttenprint printer in CUPS?

no, current xorg java server hosting works completely without xorg.conf (most of the time, that is)

I can't print with gimp

does windowmaker support transparencu?

oh wow
is that like just in ?
like did xorg 3 mnths ago do that?
(stable tree)

it was introduced in xorg-server-1.2 or 1.3 I think

when did that go stable
i wouldn't have a clue on version nubers

"eix xorg-server" will show you which versions are stable

exthingey installed
2
2.0.1
wops
sorry

/msg mzbot faq expat
Follow the listed instructions

I set up a gutenprint setup the other day. After emerging gimp-print with the foomaticdb USE flag, it worked pretty much out of the box.

ok thanks

CANON and EPSON, guess which one I have

hi at all..

all isn't here

But..when a program say that there's a bug..What should I do?

Both? Neither?

deleted xorg.conf
didn't fix it
(well moved it actuall)
oh gta go

MvG_6, HP?

maybe your VIDEO_CARDS in make.conf is wrong and xorg did not build the correct drivers?

work in that past

You might still try top add the printer manually, even if it wasn't automatically detected, or at least not correctly.

only after emerge of new kde
(even if unrelated)
oh gota go
thanks guys
will come again
and will /msg that thing
cheers

Unable to copy PPD file!

Not nice. You could have a look at some cups error logs if available, see if you find any details, but this looks like more trouble than I experienced.

cups error logs, where?

to set a package heavy masked, i must changed a setting in the ebuild?

/var/log/cups* I'd assume, but I haven'd cups on the system I'm working at right now, so I can't check.

wonder if I should run twm

doit
wmii is good

ok then, is there some way to print a graphic is such a way that no rescaling is done?

No space left on device"?

someone there??
ok bye

waou
one user of gentoo!!?

one person to reply who uses gentoo yes

cool

but a netsplit occured __epsi
so be patient

i am an old user of debian
i decided to use gentoo few days ago

old user as in 70yo, or used debian for some time

used debian for some time
3 years
i bought the dvd live gentoo 2007.0
and i have some difficulties

I do not have the network in my home

like?

the problem is i decided to use gentoo in order to compile host my libs

so you went for the DVD to have some of the pacakges on the DVD?

and without network it seems impossible
yes i have some package
but i do not know at all how to use them with emerge or portage
i look at the doc on gentoo.org but nothing without network?

in the handbook (sorry never used the DVD for package-sourcE) there should be a section telling you howto mount/use the DVD source
give me a second i will look, I have seen it before

ok
I do not want to use ebuilds i want to compile all on my computer (like gnome)

o.O
that is what ebuilds are for
they are just an auto-recipe for compiling it all

?
excuse GRP packages
I do not want binaries

there are only a couple of binary packages in gentoo tree, and they pretty much all end in -bin
eg:

how do I set a specific lingua for one pkg?

mozilla-firefox-bin

linguas map to USE-flags, look at the ebuild

in package.use?

Please read the documentation on gentoo.org (including the handbook) and don't troll

he isn't trolling?

thanks friendlyxxx

he is asking some reasonable questions

with you sure that gentoo will come more and more used
ok bye
thanks naib

no. the USE-flags for linguas are usually calles linguas_X where X is the language code
s/calles/called/

trolling probably wasn't the right word.

there use to be a very simple (couplw commands) to use the tarballs from the DVD (well there was when I first install Gentoo back in 2001)
but that seems to have been removed

GRP is dead and buried. there is the graphical installer but it's not officially supported and I am not entirely sure as to whether it can truly operate without an Inernet connection.

mmm

it's not actually that difficult to pre-fetch the required files, but some advance Gentoo knowledge helps.

well suppose you could add a distfile entry in make.conf to point to the DVD disk __epsi
that should mean it will look there for the files

oh yer, just use the -f option, but he has the DVD, so some of the install files and packages exist

I'm not really familiar with the layout of the DVD.

They really should kill GLI and bring back GRP imo
it was much more useful

yes but mplayer install "wrong lingua"

Where can I find the standard config-files that come with the emerged application. Stupidfingers hit 2 and deleted the update and .. well, I wanted the updated conf file

Re-emerge the packagew with –noconfmem - there's no other way afaik (other than digging files out of tarballs)

what line did you put in package.use for mplayer, and can you give more details about "wrong lingua"

oh, found it in the CVS/SVN trunk to hehe *smacks self*

also, if you use dispatch-conf, it will keep a history of all config files changes

yeah, saw that.. looed at the forum for a while, but couldn't seem to find the conf file wo. reemerging so had to ask before I tok that upon me

linguas_en is in package.use

to one line of package.use reads like "media-video/mplayer linguas_en -linguas_se" or similar?

yes

and you have still "wrong lingua"

hope not
will come back if it's that way

anyone has an idea why is that only the half of my pidgin system tray icon is visible? here is the pic: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1595/taskbarad3.png

How do I use a patch on a package that's in portage?

what you mean?

Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1638: Called dyn_compile / Called qa_call 'src_compile' / Called die. Anyone has idea about this build error?

use it on your own sources?
too little info… further up

isnt that enough
?

Can anybody give me a little help with updating Portage, please?

Set up an overlay and then copy all the stuff over. second, modify the ebuild in your overlay. 'epatch' command is your friend.

what bugs you?

unpack' is your friend as well.

how to copy paste build error messages?

use pastebin website

or emerge nopaste

I'm right now installing gentoo2007, following the online documentation. After chrooting to the newly installed environment I updated Portage with emerge –sync

unpack, patch in /var/tmp/portage…blabla, then run a make and make install manually

but I recommend patching the ebuild.

oi.. this is a c/c++ question. it's possible to use #ifdef _WIN32 to detect windows. Is there something similar for linux? like _LINUX ?

i will paste it on pastebin but cant copy from build messages

in console?

yes

you got the console-mouse service running?

yes, on fluxbox
currently using xterm

highlight and paste it

It worked alright, and when it recommended me to update Portage with emerge portage I did so. Afterwards it told I'd have to update some files in /etc

no Ctrl+C right?

we need the error from the compiler

middle-mouse \o/

And here's my problem, I don't know which files and how to update them

one moment arturo_on_rails

doesn't seem reasonable…

that's fine. just run etc-update

#ifndef _WIN32

dispatch-conf or etc-update

but I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Okay, it sounded really essential
Colors and all

chithead, i'm aware of that, but it's to be used on 3 os's (win32, linux, macosx), so i need to know if there's some for linux..

yes it is. Go to the gcc website

manifest to recreate the MD5 checksums

It told me that emerge –help config or something would tell me how to update, but when I entered that it just told me that the use of config is deprecated (sp?)

"deprecated" is spelled correctly.

kay, thanks, no native speaker here

better use an overlay for that
next –sync will wipe your changes …

I'll try the etc-update then?

akahn: You're using an overlay right?

so, make a dir in ~, tell make.conf where that dir is, put the ebuild in there, ebuild moc.ebuild digest, emerge moc ?

#ifndef _MAC seriously, from a porting perspective, linux is not that different from eg. Solaris/BSD/whatever, so you can treat them all the same

yes, that's the strategy … just the details may be slightly different

what do i need to copy over, just the ebuild?

yes, but you have to put it in a subdirectory that reflects the category name

rigth

if there are patches in the files directory, copy them over as well

there are, i'll do tha

is there anyway to locate a package wich depends on qt/kdelibs?

i'm going to try unmasking the 2.4.2 before i try this though, maybe AAC will work correctly without a overlay and special patch in the newer version

what exactly are you looking for?

equery
*could* be what you are after
or eix

but I don't have qt/kdelibs installed

if you don't want kdelibs, put it in package.mask and portage will tell you which package depends on it

ha one way of doing it!
problem with that way is it will only show the first that FAIL

thx

well hey just upgrading to the masked 2.4.2 of moc worked fine

hey guys how can i change the group as which apache2 runs ?

thx btw

why would you want to do that?

DrEeevil, because i have a group called www which is for all vhosts and i want that group to be used by lighttpd and apache
and i dont want to reinstall confixx

but would re-installing confixx be simpler?

isnt that just a simple option somewhere ? as which group apache2 runs ?

hmm, that's suboptimal

it is in the apache config file tho
Group nobody
oops

Hehe

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