how do we load all the new modules in modules.conf without restarting the whole machine?
anyone?

modprobe

Yeah what he or she said
Wow, modinfo is pretty sexy
I believe you would want `modprobe -i -C /etc/modprobe.conf`

when I start Amarok, the icon appears at the top right corner of the screen and I can't minimize it? and of course do not appear at the tray? is there any solution for such a problem? second sometimes the same problem take place with other programs. (SUSE 10.2)

hello all

/sbin/udevd –daemon", I've tried to get it to boot with the nohotplug command by appending it to "linux" in Lilo doesn't seem to do anything

is there a specific reason why your using lilo instead of grub

nope
is GRUB better?

well, I installed it with no problem, and im fairly new to linux
and It did everything pretty much automatically for me
it found all my OSs that were already installed for me

i highly doubt the bootloader has any effect on the described problem.

…oh…

I'm trying to find how to properly pass the nohotplug boot command
I'm fairly certain that would fix it
it's most likely my PC Card
damn, I have to update the Lilo on the MBR after changing the config file?

i think so

how can i identify and mount a specific USB device automatically in a script? at present i have this particular device as /dev/sdc1 when its attached but i dont want to use a memory stick if thats left connected for example!

you using udev?

yep

use /dev/disk/…
you canrestrict it to id/path/uuid

oh cool… ive not seen that before… how do i use it?

instead of /dev/sdc1
sorry

oh yeah… lol
sorry just noticed, its a symlink
neat
can i use this in fstab as well

yes

i can do this by uuid i guess… will the uuid ever change
ignore that, uuid isnt relevant

try it out and see

using disk id worked
now, next question, how can i make it so that when i plug my usb pen drive in it syncs data from that with the local hdd. this will be for specific dirs

you can probably hook into the event through either hald or udev, make it run a script if a device with a certain ID is detected, never needed it so not sure on the exact steps, but most likely either hald (it's a poller for new devices, so more expensive) or directly via udev (it gets the
signal from kernel and does stuff)

…i guess i could just have a couple of scripts, one for "going afk" and one for "back from afk" effectively… run one, mount pendrive and have it rsync to the drive, then run the other to have it rsync from the drive

oh if that's all you want you can just hook into your screensaver
e.g. screensaver goes on and runs first script in background, screensaver goes off and runs second script
unless of course you want to pull the drive out when you leave

yes
basically i dont want to keep fiddling with file copies all the time
i just got my laptop back up and running so would like to be able to yank the pendrive out of my desktop with all my latest files on it, work on them on the train or whatever, then when i get home, plug the drive back in and have it update my desktop
i *could* just keep it all on the pendrive but ive had one go down before

I'd hook into what ever you use for mount/umount
that way it's a conscious effort (i.e. there's enough time to sync), but it's guaranteed that everything is in sync when you use it

hmm well if i make it mount the pendrive automatically somehow, then i just need to rsync

what about for umount? or are you going to have an rsync process run every few seconds?

the idea is for me to run it only when im going to leave my desk
so i wouldnt rsync constantly
just when im gonna go away

I prefer ssh… just log in over the network and get what I need (-:

i would prefer that too, but id be using a laptop w/o internet

has anyone here tried installing Google earth in linux
?*

like under wine?

no, installing it
its available for download for linux, but comes in a .in file
..bin*

nope, never tried it

oh well

Just ask your question, polls are useless in IRC

what?!

"has anyone *"
That's a useless question, just state your problem

haha

Yes, very funny.

are you a bot
anyways, i have a question
hello all, I'm having a problem with grub, I'm trying to add slackware 12 to the list, and im not sure what is wrong with the entry i created
http://pastebin.ca/620710
when I try to boot slackware, it says file not found
and yes, I am doing a triboot
anyone here

Does /boot/vmlinuz-generic-2.6.21.5 exist on hda4?
(and the initrd?

idk about the initrd, i don't even know what that is
i just modified it from ubuntus entry
but the boot/vmlinuz… exists on hda4

initrd is an "initial ramdisk", it's used to load drivers which are needed to boot the system but which aren't compiled directly into the system
If Slackware doens't install one for you, you should take that line out

ok
and thats all?

"compiled directly into the kernel" rather
Well that's my first thought, anyway, see if that works.

ok
wait…
can I just use a # to comment it out
in case i need it later or something

yeah sure

ok, thanks
ok, now it starts to boot into slackware
but now it won't boot passed 'kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)'

anyone know what this process is vi +4432 messages

afternoon all

howdy

us it possible to use iptables to drop all traffic except that coming from a specific application?

node45, i think iptables only deals with ports and adresses

gorus, yea, i think so too

depends on what application that is.
for a daemon it would be possible using the server port or owner match
for client application only if it is port specific

well, the application i want to 'allow out' is a client application that connects to others useing multiple ports
i don't want to open those ports up to all applications

iptables has a USER module, where you can restrict based on the UID (and maybe GID) of the process which is sending out the packets
(which would obviously only work on the box doing the sending of the packets)
I think that's about as close as you'll get

yea, that's exactly what i want
now, when you say module, are you referring to a kernel module?

unless it's a p2p app or one of the few others that have specific matching/contrack rules

Yeah, should be an option in your kernel config

hmm i have a feeling this probably requires more work than i'm prepared to do

Can i get linuxMCE help here?

what is a handy way to strip ^Ms from lines?
i don't have dos2unix, or dos2*…

open it in pico, change one character and save
pico will strip those buggers
also, check if you have 'fromdos' command

sudo apt-get install tofrodos - Setting up tofrodos (1.7.6-2) …now I do.
thanks
pico give me a funny reaction
"omg… what do I touch? the file is perfect as is!"
and then trying to save was like getting out of a crowded elevator

sed?

too late

hi all

I'm trying to use k3b to make a bootable ISO. I know how I would do it with Nero (select .img file, set offset to 0×07C0, length to 4, emulation to none). K3b is trying to create a /boot folder and implement a catalog (which I do have from the source). Can anyone help me understand k3b so I
can do this?

once i use iptables to add a whole bunch of rules, how do i get it to apply those rules on every boot?
nm

you save them to a file using the iptables-save command and put that file (or its contensts) in the appropriate directory or init script to be "iptables-restore" at boot time.

hey all, whats the best way to recover an lvm vg/lv when a whole physical disk has failed (ie i have 3 disks as pv's and one of them died )

umm.. substitute in a new PV, attempt to bring up the vg/lv again, and run a fsck on the filesystem? expect to get nothing useful back, you have a massive hole in your filesystem

amrit, more concerned about getting anything else on the other drives
amrit, can i just use vgchange -P -ay to do a partial?

you can.. you can get a read only VG out of it… but let me ask this - the filesystems with the important data - did they span all of the disks? in other words, was part of your important filesystem on that now-defunct disk?

amrit, are you talking about is it striped in the config or is there enough data to go past that disk
so -P will only give you read only?

what i mean is.. your VG consist of 3 disks, a, b, and c. you then created an LV that holds your data (which you want to get back). did that LV reside entirely on one of a/b/c? or did it consist of two or all three of a/b/c?
i believe so - IF it can find the necessary info

amrit, my lv spanned all of the disks

yeah… so your filesystem was scattered around all 3 disks, and probably somewhere around 1/3 has disappeared
the best web hosting you can do is a get a drive that you can use to fill in that gap (the missing PV from the VG), and then try to fsck the LV

aye

i *really* doubt you will get any useful data off of it
most of it will be corrupt/missing

does lvm2 stripe the data?

it can if you want it to

whats default these days?

this is the problem when people start using LVM… lvm should not be done across multiple devices unless each of those devices is a raid array
default is no

amrit, agreed, not my creation

night

how do i use iptables-restore to load a firewall file?

hi! i have ported linux on a custom board. I am using windows hyperterm through serial port as console. but formatting of console on hyperterm doesnt look good. charectors are scrambled. any idea where should i fix this in code?

Yes. File twenty, line threehundretfiftyfour

is it a problem with serial driver?

greetings

what is the difference between inentd and xinetd

can anyonoe advise me what window manager should i use?

a lot.
use kde.

will that run in a pIII 500 Mhz with 250Mb ram?

no
try icewm instead.

ok tk you

is xinted some advance version of inetd?

I'm feeling sorry for you.

if you can provide some link, it will be helpful

xinetd is some other implementation doing something quite similar to inetd.

for using a PIII or using fvwm?

Both, and especially the combination of both

www.freshmeat.net

haha. No need. I like them both

Check out ion3 — it's a very different approach to window management, but it definitely boosts productivity

ok

Probably there are some articles about it online somewhere, so you can read about it before checking it out — it may be a bit too complex at first.

hi, i've noticed lately than when I use man to show the docs for some programs, the output contains weird symbols around certain words, like a's with dots. they're on both sides so I'm guessing they're some kind of formatting tag. my question is how do I make it display the formatting and not
the weird symbols?
bhi, i've noticed lately than when I use man to show the docs for some programs, the output contains weird symbols around certain words, like a's with dots. they're on both sides so I'm guessing they're some kind of formatting tag. my question is how do I make it display the formatting and not
the weird symbols?/b

seen webchick?

webchick was last seen in #drupal 8 hours 6 min ago saying 'user_authenticate?'.

http://drupal.org/node/168430 needs moderation

1 IRC mention

err
Michelle,

I think webchick is right to a degree, but what forums are really lacking is a personal connection to the community. I think what is really needed is a large cache of content which you can easily link those repeat questions to, rather than ignoring them outright. If the answers were easily
available on the web, I don't think people would be asking the questions.

Well, I'm getting help on making a web 2.0 logo for my site in there now, which I"d never post on the forums because it's rather OT

From a end users perspective, forums can really suck, because it often takes forever to get any sort of answer out of them, which doesn't jive for people working under deadlines

it's just a matter of taste i guess

if you're under tight deadlines, the first thing you shoudl do is STFW

STFW?

Search the fine web. Often, the person telling you to do a search has the manual

shut this fucking window (the irc window that is)
and WORK HARD

then you're not dependent on either someone eventually answering your question on the forums, nor on some random expert you need just happening to be in IRC the same time you are.

Docs question. Do we call it FAPI 2, and FAPI 3?
Does that mean version 2 and version 3, I hope?

hmm, what's the context?

The people who can answer my questions tend to not read the forums

functions, forms generated by the new Forms API (fapi2) can be themed in a similar manner. This tutorial will work through the process of theming a form.

api versioning. yay

nah. I would do "the form api host in Drupal 5"

ahh it was the input filter causing the access denied
how bizarre

That's better. Thanks webchick

I understand where your coming from.. but at the same point, I think theres a gap between just starting something, and being an expert at it, which the web often doesn't do a very good job of covering. I for instance just started creating drupal host
sites a few months ago, and very rapidly got to the point where what I wanted to do was often more specific than it seemed information was available for, but I certainly wasn't to the point

"…forms generated by the new FormAPI in Drupal 5.x (and higher) can be themed in a similar manner…."

where I knew drupal internals well enough to wing it and just figure it out, at the same time, I still had some pretty demanding deadlines to get things done in

http://drupal.org/node/168134 = review please.

Drupal, install system, critical, patch (code needs review), 1 IRC mention

ping

and it's that stage where I think people often decide to stick with a platform, or leave it, and a lot o fthat will come down to how well they get the information they need to implement their projects.

hi

just my $0.02

menu question

D6?

u huh
is there any way I can remove an item from the menu
through some callback
without menu.module

All we can do is improve the documentation.
And that means people who reach intermediate level, who run into intermediate level roadblocks, document how they got past those roadblocks and do so in a manner that's useful to others.

hook_menu_alter , unset , done.

ooh yay!

hook_menu_alter is a big highlight of the new system.

agreed, documentation is always great. I think in general though, that's a stage that most software projects have trouble catering to with their documentation, I don't feel it's unique to drupal.

That's what FAQ projects are usually attempting to address.

documentation is indeed the best answer, but in the meantime it's definitely great that you guys have people willing to answer questions.

It's great that we do; but it's not reliable. People come and go; knowledge ebbs and flows.
Until it's documented you don't know if that knowledge will be there.

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if you feel that way, hang out in #drupal-support and answer other noobs questions.

cat.

You must teach this cat how to program!

Cooper?

and learn the answers to harder question at the same time

or Pickle?

I do/have answered questions which are easily within my ability to answer

great
there ya go

it's hard to justify 2 hours a day answering questions in irc to my boss though i'm sure some of you guys have the same problem.

what goes around…

another nice aspect of irc is the information i've soaked in just by glancing in here every now and then
things that I now won't ever need to ask questions about, that was really my motivation for coming in here in the first place.

haha yeah Cooper.
Pickle doesn't come by unless he thinks I have food.

are you eating at the computer?
haha

it's hard to justify 2 hours a day answering questions in irc to my boss though — Yeah, especially when he's yelling "Play cars Jamie NOW"

haha

is it easier to justify 2 hours in IRC asking for help?

demanding job, apparently.

haha, i've never had to.

guys/girls, in several files I seet the output being parsed to a function called t, is this to translate it to other languages?

chx - Yeah, can be. They're both napping, now… Ah, the quiet

typically when I ask a question i'll just go back to trying to solve it, and if anyone helps me out before that then great

good guess
you're correct

k, thnx

beeradb - Yeah, I do that, too

watching irc tick by isn't the best host method for fixing code, i've found.

dmitrig01, maybe a silly question but why isn't an identifier used instead of text?

the text IS the identifier

because it's used a lot and people want it to be short
brb

anyway, speaking of work, I should buckle down and bang out this last hour

beerfan, I understand, but parsing a string of 100+ chars is a little expensive I think, an integer would be faster (imho)

it's easier

ok

ping!

pong

pm
ping

.

pm

any one knows a "photolog" alike module for drupal ? smtg users can post photos and comment photos ? ty

acidfree is one I guess

shameless plugAcidfree Rocks!/shameless plug

vhmauery, hmmm
vhmauery, like this you mean? http://lonki.xs4all.nl/node/85

acidfree is not so much a photo blog sort of thing as a photo album. But it does offer a filter that you can inline photos with
macOnki, that is a Acidfree-5 album…

is there a newer one?

hm… it looks really nice! I will try this acidfree… ty

macOnki, no, but technically Acidfree-5 does not have a stable release yet — still waiting on some changes in Video module

The first time is always free.

RobLoach ping

vhmauery, I am reviewing the latest stuff
both drupal host and modules

macOnki, the 5.x-dev version of Acidfree works fairly well as long as you don't do videos

I'm not doing those
yet
vhmauery, now we are at it, is it possible to load the css and js only when needed? It's a little overkill to always load it

macOnki, submit a patch

vhmauery, I am still learning how the internals work, that might take a while

clients cache all that anyway, it is not a real big deal in my mind
but then I am not an enterprise web programmer, just a hobbiest

ok
fair enough
well, if I can find the time and knowledge I will patch it, I am a bit of a byte clown, I like small pages when possible

this SUCKS
what's the _street address_ of fucking citilab?
this is not mentioned _anywher_ on the site!

Google Maps?

as far as I could make out, it's…
Citilab of Cornellà de Llobregat
Edifici Can Suris Pl. Can Suris (Can Surius Square)
Cornellà de Llobregat, Spain
I just hope that makes sense to a cab driver.

oh come on, you're using a taxi to get there?

I actually have no idea how we're getting there.

the metro goes right to cornella center

But without fail, I'll probably sleep in some morning. Like say, oh, the morning I lead off with a presentation *cough* Brussels *cough* and need to take a cab.

and from there it's about 200m by foot

LOL

I wrote a custom views style plugin specially
views_teleport.module

I need something http://www.tmb.net/vullanar/en_US/vullanar.jsp eats

Try Edifici Can Suris Pl. Can Suris

ajk^: Pong ping pang pung.

RobLoach, pm?

http://www.tmb.net/img/genplano.pdf

note that the venue is NOT in Barcelona.
It's in Cornellà de Llobregat
Which looks like it's a suburb or something.

it's still in zone 1

Llobregat centre.
that works
it's across the street seemingly

ah, cool

from our appartment, it's about 45-50 minutes by metro

that's what I was checking yes
it's zone 1?
great!!

if I'm not mistaken…
http://tmb.net/pdf/corona.pdf
the end of L5 (cornella) is definitely in the very inner circle
http://www.tmb.net/en_US/barcelona/moute/targetes/t_10.jsp
transportation will be very cheap

I installed acidfree… now how do I add an album ? I allready added a menu entry called 'Albums' but there is no such thing as 'Add Album'

support?

Please direct support questions to the volunteers in #drupal-support or on the Drupal forums. #drupal is a place to discuss and help with code, advocacy, documentation, infrastructure, and pretty much everything else.

binutils — node/add/acidfree

yes. It's very confusing

why?

vhmauery, ty, I found it

but I compared it with another map and yes

L5 is the metro
the "longer" lines are commuter trains

L5 is not on the Corona map

it is.
there is a tiny symbol next to Cornella

ok, it's mentioned at Cornella
but still the line is not there — i compared this map with the full map which (fun!) does not contain zone borders…

the "full" map is only zone 1

seems liek it
http://www.tmb.net/img/genplano.pdf

or mostly zone 1
Molins de Rei (light blue) is already in zone 2
according to the corona map

anyways. we will need just a zone 1 pass.
I will have that for a month
44.35EUR , not bad.
you guys are buying a five days tourist card?

no
I'll probably buy those 10pack tickets

ah.

10 for 6.90
of which each journey may last up to 1h 15
with an unlimited number of means of transport

you will use four daily at least

yes
4 * 5 days = 20
= 2 10-ticket
= 13.80
compared to 20.80 with the 5-day card
I could make 6 journeys a day and the 10-ticket is still cheaper

your call
it might be cheaper even for me to go with those 10 pack tickets — but it's a close call and it's so much easier to have a simple pass

6 journeys a day, I can still buy this 5 day card

true.

ok, it should be written somewhere that you absolutely cannot leverage any type of hook_form_alter into a php template.
dangint.
And believe me, I've tried for hours.

why would you put i in a theme?

Cause I was trying to get crazy!

-_-

It will hook. It will make errors. It will not, however, alter that dang form

i'm gathering real world drupal techniques under my belt :-p
i was wondering what was your use case

http://drupal.pastebin.com/d45c190e6

P.S. it makes sence that form alter doesnt work in theme because i think by the time you reach the theme stage all your content has already been prepared

Never ever do this.
yeah.
prolly.

oh let me guess
you mentioned about making 'global' modifications that are not theme speciffic?
or something?
or ARE theme speciffic?

right

which one?

I wanted to try and leverage a non-specific function into a theme
or themes.
I shoulda just dropped it into a module

ok

I've lost a whole day trying this

why dont you hook into theme inside your module to see which theme is being loaded?

Basically, I was wanting a way of overriding a contrib module's .theme file

oh
those weird things again

But I wanted to do it in a way that didn't affect the site no matter which theme was chosen
and thus, the template.inc being forced into template.php
no dice.
hook_form_alter has to live in a module
or it won't do its job.
Like an office assistant on their first day…

the only reason i can see for /not/ using a module is to force that change without having to activate anything. soft of like a new default

right!
That's the way I see it

i c
now i'm just curious as to why wouldnt you want to activate a module?:

As in, if I handed you a theme for your new site, and it overrode the labels on all the signup.module's stuff to make them prettier
You'd never know it, till one day you activated signup.mod
and poof!
there it is in full glory

hmm

See, I likes themes. I don't write modules unless I have to. That for the propellorheads that hang out in #drupal.

yeah thats difficult

woops
I'm IN #drupal

:-p
though i like your idea
and it does have to do with theming
so you /shouldnt/ have to write module for it

I cut you with my propeller

:-\

Greetings. I just installed Drupal 5.2 and for some reason in the admin section the "Run the clean URL test" is a page not found. Any ideas?

I just figured that if modules were handing out their own .theme files, I should be able to override that in my site's theme without having to enable Y.A.Module

the test failed

I run a few drupal sites on the same apache… and I know it can do clean URLs just fine.

oh
never mind

You can override. It's altering you can't do

mod_rewrite messed up?

is it possible to modify the primary links menu programmatically?

oh really!?
hmmm

Shouldn't be. It works on the other sites.

perhaps you forgot to copy the .htaccess file in the root folder?
most os don't display them by default

And altering was what i was trying to do in order to add more fields.

Wouldn't that be there by default after tar -xvzf'ing the drupal website install? (looking)

See, adding more fields is no longer just presentation.

I can add and remove items from the default navigation menu, but I don't know how to access the primary links menu
bI can add and remove items from the default navigation menu, but I don't know how to access the primary links menu/b

That's altering the content.
That's a module

I don't know how you installed Drupal.

ok then. a module for the form_alter, and a template function for the field label's overrides?

That's why I was never able to justify a patch that extended form alter to the theme.

Nope, .httaccess is there.

hmm

dowdle, tar -zxvf would add the .htaccess

changing labels… shouldnt that be related to translations?

I just extracted the drupal-5.2.tar.gz and renamed the dir… nand made that document root for the apache virtual host.

imho ALL strings should be changeable somewhere in the admin

that shoulda read, "imnsho"
heh

but using .htaccess adds a read to apache modules for each page view

Duh, I think I need to add a few options to my VirtualHost container in httpd.conf

the .htaccess should be added to a vhost

i had terrible luck with translations so far
i dont know what i'm doiung wrong but nothing ever translates
but if you translate from english to english… you essentialy changing the labels

Ok, that fixed it. DUH.

They are, if you use a translation package.
Not that I've ever done that, cause the performance hit isn't worth it

Anyone want to take an existing site's look and turn it into a drupal theme for me?

i used to work at a company (www.easyroommate.com and www.vivastreet.com) which uses 100% translatable labels

I work for a deparment of a college… and the University has a theme they want everyone to use… and it would be so nice to have a drupal theme I could give to other departments to use.

and their site is lightning fast
ofcourse they are running multiple master-slave servers

litwol, how did they implement translations? apache index.foo.language?

noup
one giant query to fetch ALL strings

hmmm

and then use the ones that needed
very unoptimized
however. still very fast

Anyone know anyone who creates Drupal themes for hire?

i do

once you have enough memory it will work I suppose litwol

Talking to me?

i have a designer friend that can design and then i code it
or you can give me psd and i code it

The theme is already on a site (not running drupal)… so you can go by that?

not memory, they query the DB on every request, i guess it has to do with db cache which turns back to ram like you said
i can go by anything :-p

The campus web communications folks have templates in .html and .php format.

check out the theme at dev.hias.org
by drupal standards that is a very complicated theme

Ok, if you want to check out the original to see what you think, here's the url http://www.cs.montana.edu/
Seriously, email me info on how much work you think it'll be and a rate. admin@cs.montana.edu

yes its quite easy to do

I already kinda hacked up a drupal theme but it leaves a lot to be desired… and I'd like it done correctly.

i do my themes from scratch

Here's my poor attempt: http://www.cs.montana.edu/drupal/

well you almost got it

litwol, query_cache needs memory too
I run a mysql server that needs at least 200 MB of query cache

hence the very last part of my sentense :-p

:-)

i run an old P3 dedicated server with only 512 MB ram (

I run on a p3 with only 192 MB ram

auch!
is yoru server any fast?
my is SLOW

it's fast, I am running spamikaze on it

lol whats spamikaze?

Damn… ghetto servers.

google for it

oh
spam server
-_
damn you!

:-0
I helped coding that
b.t.w., anti spam server

very interesting site design. sometimes its a 3 column layout, sometimes 1 and sometimes 4

if litwol's not available then other people (me) are here to help

when designing a module, should I try to make every piece of content a node? for instance, our department wants the department theme to have a javascript slideshow at the top that links various places. Is it worth makign a node that consists of just a file and a link?
making a node type i mean

if its linking then make it a menu item

Well, not really. Perhaps some of the links you are going to are on the main www.montana.edu site… but all of the pages on the www.cs.montana.edu should be two columns I think.

use various jquery modues to customize how your menu will act

yeah i was thinking of just creating an auxilary slideshow table in the db, and storing filename, weight, caption, etc in there

it boils down to either one of the two options
1) use whats out there but spend tons of time understanding how to make it work the wya you want it to work
and
2) write your own code which can be done faster but it may be prone to security risks
email me please at litwol@gmail.com

the problem is this slideshow is going to be tightly coupled to the theme.. so if i used an external module, I'd probably have to modify the code, which i would want to avoid doing

mention any extra details that you are interested in
usualy i just do themes for myself and friends (aka free) so i feel bad riping your off :-p

lol

so we can do a fair trade :-p
you keep the money in exchange for an email as detailed as possible as to what you want
regarding theme that is
okey?
^^
O_O

:-)

WOW

what?

after submitting 11K lines of patches to phpnuke, securing exponentcms without getting payed I should
after submitting 11K lines of patches to phpnuke, securing exponentcms without getting payed I should

exponentcms?

you're getting a good deal!

kkaefer, don't ask

http://expcms.sourceforge.net?

dmitrig01, you're right
kkaefer, yes

heh

exponentcms.org

that still exists

eww, i never managed to get to use php-nuke. around the same time i found drupal but i quit drupal some no less than 4 times before finally getting the hang of iti guess what burned me out those 4 times is the fact that i jumped neck deep into theming off the back

search securityfocus for my remarks
kkaefer, well, james left the team, Fred still seems to run it

I don't know these names
the only name I can remember is Pitor

i'm working up an admin screen for my module, and i'm wondering how system_settings_form works… do i have to initiate any of those variables that it sets somewhere? or does it just automatically detect all the variables used in the admin screen and update them as such?

Piotr
I mean

I do not remember him/her

that was in the *very* starting phase

ioc group?

I think they didn't even have a website up

Ok, I just sent you an email with all of the info.

oh… i see, it detects and saves automatically- but to get it working your form elements have to be named the same as the variable…. duh

seen greggle*?

google for it and then click the cached version of the page'.
greggle1 was last seen in #drupal 1 day 23 hours ago saying 'or is it referral module?'.
I was just trying to make sure it was you who posted about that to devel'.

saw your post… i'm actually in colorado right now too (i went to a NYC meetup a few months ago, but have been out here since)
but i'll be going back east again on sunday

Sorry, I was busy composing the email and didn't see what you said… until now. Ok, yeah.. hell yeah… I'd like to see you do it for free… but then again… $25 an hour wouldn't be bad either.

dang.. well that sucks..
you going on the bike ride in Denver this Saturday night?

wish i could do it- i'm actually way up in the mountains

I'm hoping if I can get a decent theme that matches the branded templates… that I can offer it up to other departments and colleges on campus and more folks we start using Drupal.

and i'm out of here early on sunday
when are you off to china? i'm going to be there for most of Sept
uwhen are you off to china? i'm going to be there for most of Sept/u

that sounds good

Btw… I was in a booth (OpenVZ) right next to the Joomla boot at LinuxWorld last week.

the problem i noticed is that there's a lot of /non uniform/ things added randomly thoughout the theme

probably mid to late Sept: we'll be down South near Guangzhou

Well, have a look at the templates and those should give you what needs to be in the theme and what doesn't.

so those will have to be added imdividualy somehow either through module dev of through admin. but i'll figure it out and tell you when i give it more thought
of = or*

cool deal… i'll be there too- at least for part of the time. we'll have to do a china meetup

You mean like embedded graphics at the top of a content area?

oh ya.. I'm planning on doing some China meetups after a while..
you coming into the Denver area before you head out?

Did you get the email I sent ok?

yes, usualy appearing on top left corner i think

nah, i'm driving back east- and will be going thru the Springs on the way out. i'll be back this way from nov-about feb

yep i got it
when do you need this by?
i'm going out tonight :-p

dang.. ya I'm heading out of here for S.F in Sept.. then we're heading to China from S.F sometime in Sept.. after we get our Visas.

ech, i'm about to lose my satellite connection… i'm REALLY far out big-ass thunderstorm blowin in

ya I see.. Ok have a good day. I guess we'll meetup online and maybe meetup in China.. keep in touch
ya I see.. Ok have a good day. I guess we'll meetup online and maybe meetup in China.. keep in touch

shhh
i'm trying to score work here
jk

They have a zillion examples and variations. It would be nice to have a slight customized variation of our own for the CS department but I'll be happy with one that looks enough like the generic two column template. Here's a page of examples and variation sites: http://www.montana.edu/cpa/webcom/webtemplate-examples.html (that I should have included in that email)

sounds good, i'll shoot you a message next month

np, i already came up with a possible solution
also. does your site get a lot of traffic?
not really important
but if it doesnt then i could use some cool modules like text to image converters for your top menu
but w/e i'll do some examples and email them to you later

I doubt it… I have no real meters currently… but we really need to revamp the content… which is why I want to get it on Drupal. Then if we do start getting some hits I can use the caching.

cool
what will be in that right column?
left is menu, middle is content.

I can install php-eaccelerator.
Two column… menu and content.

mkey
that 3rd column confused me
okey expect email from me by monday

http://api.drupal.org/api/function/comment_invoke_comment — is there ar reason hook_invoke_all() isnt used here?
sorry module_invoke_all

Cool.

passing by reference

It would be so cool to have 1, 2, 3 and 4 columns in the theme… but like I said, 2 column only is all I really need.
Here's an example of 4 column: http://www.montana.edu/level2/prospectivestudents.php

i'll make it 2 columns and you can extend it with panels
can you assign different theme to individual panels?

I think because it's not only invoking a hook, it's also invoking an op.
there'a node_invoke_something as well.

I don't think that's a good approach
nodeapi

Yes. That.

just thinking outloud

you're better off coding a whole four regions in there

yeah. i'll just do multiple templates with different regions and use some module that changes templates based on region

At the moment, no.

i'm going to play a fortune teller for a moment and say that i ahve a feeling manels is going to become partly a theme element
outter panel for layouts
inner panels for contnent

you're better off doing something like this: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/beg17mr9nkct262fsq
http://pastie.textmate.org/private/c6vzptup7ze5srlrhc

exactly lol
i've seen one presentation given by dries
and his last words were
'lets eliminate web masters… coders…. themers. and outselves :-p

} in phptemplate.php

:-p

k, time to think about a patch to t()

Oh, I think I missed your question if you were asking me when do I need it by… ummm… a week or two… or however long it would take you.
Websites are really driven by content creators and I don't think those can be replaced.

think of that website i told you about that is driven by translated strings
when patching t() :-p

hehe

speed is of the essense

speed is interaction between code, rdbms and lots of webserver tuning

it would be easy to speed up t() if all translation queries were pooled
but since all modules run their own queries it cannot be done now

sure it can

we cannot /eliminate/ module executions. but we can /reoder/ execution of things

queries can be cached
reordering is nice, it helps

and if you pool queries and then bulk translate them and then let modules access the result
like
module queue translation job, then system query bulk translation, then modules patch into result to get their stuff

well, the first step would be to thing about caching per node

we have caching per node
a lot of strings repeat on multiple nodes
so you need string cache

second one would be to cache per node/language
hash them to sensible id's an query cache them

Drupal is teh fast with normal caching + css preprocessor

dmitrig01, sorry, it's not

for me it is
on localhost

for me it isnt

lol

drupal needs sick CPU to run well

RAM

imho

litwol, it's not to hard to change it

well depends on features

Well, ghetto servers will only live so long… and then you get machien with sick CPU.

no

yeah i'm pushing for a new server at my organization

well, I will prepare a patch, might want to talk to some php internal folks first

seen Crell

Crell was last seen in #drupal 23 hours 5 min ago saying 'laters'.

hmm
but how did you like the translation bulking idea above?
it would mean that all t's have to be run 3 times more than they are being ran now
or maybe just 2x
but it could reduce calls to db_query by hundreds

litwol, when using/available memory is high then yes, it would be an idea to use it

not necesserily
mkey i'm out now
ttyl

most memory is saved by keeping pages small, make few calculations, drupal isn't good at it
laters

I don't think that the size of the output has much to do with Drupal's memory usage.

killes, not on the output side, but calculating the output could be speeded

Any module or code that processes images (lots of large images) uses a ton of memory… and I can't think of anything that uses more.

Drupal is a swiss army knife, and as such may not be the best tool for any particular job but it's flexible enough to be a good tool for a lot. Suggestions for improvement are welcome.

sure, everything can be done faster.
if you have concrete suggestions, I am very willing to listen.

1); = just for aestethics, I would use #type value

also, I would think on using #access throughout the module
and finally, this is a really cute module
you are wrong

feel free to commit changes

commit? not just file em? sure.

it's been known to happen, once or twice

Suggestions for improvement are welcome. = usually not.

a patch for a module with less than 50 loc? :p

the attic is full with ideas
_patches_ for improvement are welcome.

so…suggestions aren't welcome?

depends

;-)

really depends

if they are concrete enough
"make faster" isn't helpful and will be ignored if you are lucky. :p

if it's a well researched one… with an understanding of the past and effect of the change…
http://drupal.org/node/36602

"make faster" isn't a suggestion

9 IRC mentions

right, it's whining. :p

is it impossible to create a path alias for a views 2nd page? like replace viewname?page=1 with viewname/page/

more like a demand

not impossible just tricky.
you need a custom_url_rewrite function for that.

not worth the hassle

hassle? where is hassle?

seen hassle?

Sorry, I haven't seen hassle.

I had a site where custom_url_rewrite was 237 lines long
LOL
it's easy

oh yea
even for a farang?

Can anyone tell me if there is an easy way to redirect to another page after a page loads which outputs html to the page

with js
or meta tag

drupal_goto

output buffer (phptemplate does that) and drupal_goto
I can't telly
*tell
I only know what's easy for me

drupal_goto wasn't working for me. must need to look further

mfer, if you mean, after the HTTP response has been sent, then no

Hmmm, I have clean urls but when I go to create a page the URL section isn't there?!? I don't recall a setting anywhere needed to turn that on. Ideas?
err… I have clean urls on…

dowdle, just enter the values for the menu, clean url's are only important for user foo

Well, I think I'm just getting ahead of myself. I guess I really should check out the modules section… and get that all configured. I'm so used to working on Drupal sites that are already setup… and I haven't done a fresh install in a long time.
Yeah, after turning on some more modules… like URL settings start to show up. DUH. I hope I'm subtle entertainment for you experts.

dowdle, it's my first visit in this channel, I only read code

btw, i just had a quote out of place in my drupal_goto. maybe it's time for a break

seen dlobo

dlobo was last seen in #drupal 1 week 1 day ago saying 'right up there with amnesty '.

!seen dlobo

dlobo (n=lobo@222.152.34.26) was last seen quitting from #drupal 1 day, 22 hours, 16 minutes ago stating (Read error: 113 (No route to host)).

sudden interest in civicrm? :p

I just wanted to warn him of the waking licence tide
personally, i would not touch civicrm with a ten foot barge pole.

*g*
yeah, I wanted to speak to him too.
did eaton send his mail?

anyone got a couple minutes? I think I found a bug in dblog and I'd like to just double-check my logic

not that i know of

k thanks, I thought I had missed it.

I noticed some entries were missing from watchdog in Drupal 5 and I figured out that it was happening for uid 0. The query to fill the watchdog page does an inner join on users, which doesn't include user 0 anymore, so those entries aren't added. This will hide any watchdog entries for deleted
users, for instance. Am I missing anything?

Junyor, how could one exploit the dblog?

if uid = 0 is missing, it needs to be re-added.
there is some strange bu gin Drupal that I'd really like to track down…
the bug is that uid = 0 gets lost.
it might be in the 4.7 to 5 update.

ok, so uid = 0 *should* be in users?

yes!

oy

Junyor, I suppose you should check if this is true for any deleted user

your Drupal works without a user 0 ?
that's a surprise
usually Drupal is terribly broken w/o that

yes, but we're disallowing anonymous users to access anything. Access is via LDAP

if you have db backups I'd really like to know when it was lost.

I would think even login has problem w/o a user 0 but i might be mistaken never tried it
and won't now
night all

we just upgraded to Drupal 5, so I'll check if it's there in 4.7
night

well, under these circumstances it miht be that omebody thought it would prvent access…
cool

it was gone prior to our upgrade

hmm, thanks
so maybe somebody thought he'd be extra smart and removed it?

I hope not, since that extra smart person probably would have been me

*g*
this bug has been reported more than once.
however it was never clear when it happened.

well, it's not missing in another 4.7 install that's also using similar access control methods, so I don't know what's causing it
but I'll fix our DB
and it's not missing in my 4.6 install

What's the recommended minimal setting for memory_limit = in php.ini for drupal?

8

seen moshe*

moshe_work was last seen in #drupal-dev 2 hours 7 min ago saying 'bbl'.
moshe_work_ was last seen in #drupal-dev 5 days 3 hours ago saying 'y'.

I found something fishy. The uid field is set to auto_increment. I tried to add UID 0, but it wouldn't allow it. Then I disabled the auto_increment, added UID 0, re-enabled it, and UID 0 disappeared. Does that sound like a possible cause?

yeah
why is the uid field auto_increment?
it should not be.

no idea

at leat not for Drupal 6.

we're using MySQL 5.0.32

that should not matter.

Junyor, which dbengine? myisam?

probably, checking..
yes

k
Junyor, ok, let's reveal, you are adding uid 0 to drupal or the database?

database

Junyor, then the core accepts it, it should

yep
but it wasn't working when the uid field was set to auto_increment
but works now

did you use drupal to submit it?

no

nice

so, I'm guessing the reason uid 0 sometimes goes missing is because uid is sometimes auto_increment. I'll see if I can figure out why that happened

hi

I don't think there's any way to find out. My oldest backups have it in the table definition, but maybe this can give you a lead. Thank you for your help

thanks.
I still don't have an idea why it shoudl get dropped. :p
since it doesn't happen very often, it isn't really a huge problem

yep
later

hey! how are things!
I posted the meetup… you have to come now

heh

figured a good send off was in order..
you need beer..
free beer.

uh oh
Thursday was the day I can't do

hey.. its your last chance for a really good US beer before you're off
OH!!!
crap..
seriously!

Friday or sat or Sunday

damn..
ok.. I can change it..

cool man

Friday then?
weekends might be iffy, eh? or not in Denver..
I think in NYC people like there weekends.. and avoid meetups
Friday are generally not the best day either but if Beer is involved then..
well exceptions are made
so.. hey…. you wanna do a live on TV meetup?
in front of a green screen…
we can pretend to run away from the Drupal man all day

sorry, I only pay attention to stuff prefixed with my name
um - a weekend night is probably bad
weekend days work reasonably well

So Friday night out? maybe Saturday afternoon?

I don't know of DOM has that space, though
yeah

hhm.. I'll ask at DOM..

or if Brian wants to do it

hmm.. Ok I'll check with Brian and Tony at DOM and see if we can get a Saturday setup..
what do you think like 12ish?

I can be flexible then
but yeah, mid-day seems about right to me

what about pushing it up to Wednesday…. I'm thinking that the turnout on a Saturday afternoon during the summer isn't going to be so good.
or maybe just doing it Friday night.. and doing a short session at DOM and then heading straight to a bar.. to make it a bit more lively and fun

I'm booked until Thursday
inclusive

ok…

well, Friday quick session+bar works for me

ok.. lets change it to Friday and see what happens with people online..

cool

see what the comments turn out to be..

any svn gurus lurking?
is there an easy way to exclude a directory form a commit
not permanently mid you
just for a particular commit
grr, typing
mid = mind
and form = from, for that matter

anyone know when practical drupal is supposed to be out ? or if it is done ?

Slurpee you mean put lullabot book?
we have just begun writing it
it will be out next year

UIT Cambridge Ltd. (August 1, 2007)

there is another book by that name though i think that is just out?
yeah i dunno that one

i thought lullabot was doing the o'riely book

and we will probably change our name i guess
yeah
we are

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Drupal-Evaluating-Content-Management/dp/095445295X

bummer that the names are the same
but o'reilly will need to sort that out

i wonder if that is the reason for the delay ?

No the reason for the delay is that books take a long time to write.

hm, you mean on the cambridge one?
i doubt it

pro drupal development was good. way more in depth than I thought it was be.
yess add1, the cambridge one

yes, to what merlinofchaos said
book dates get constantly moved

i couldnt find any info on line aout it

just due to trying to get it done
yeah i dunno much at all other than they bogarted our name

i heard that user groups can get copies of books for free. you just have to write a review or something
wtf, Preorder this item today and it should arrive on or just after 08/28/2007 - walmart.com

wtf is Niall Mansfield?

walmart? ick

hi!
I just unstalled a dns based blocklist

I was going to tacle the who question later
well crap
uninstalled?
on what? Your server or d.o.?

installed
d.o.
I've had it runnign on my server for a month.

ah well.
I've been blocked for months anyway
just don't use sorbs. they won;t take me off

not email blocklist.
http blocklist.

ooOOooOo
for bad crawlers? referrers?

bad crawlers

I've been wanting to try something like that

nice.

it is now running for 13 minutes.
guess how many accesses were blocked…

been listening to the SXSWi podcast over spammers, etc…

"10,000?

http://www.projecthoneypot.org/
no…
nearly 300

drupal.org/user/73521

eww, thanks!

That's still a lot in 13 minutes.

wow

yep
let's see if they complain about too much resource usage. :p

which/how are you implementing the blocking?

dns lookup

I meant sw package
I wonder what/if any drag/latency this introduces

http://planetozh.com/blog/my-projects/honey-pot-httpbl-simple-php-script

I take it you are doing the download list as opposed to live lookups?

j #poker
gah

OSUOSL will likely take the list of blocked IPs and then pipe them into iptables.

and that's something we now know about you

no, live lookups
there is no downloadable list AFAICS.

I was reading the Commerical and high traffic uses of http:bl

…
I've mailed them and asked two weeks ago
they didn#t say "no" .P

it says to contac them on download. If for example you are in the alexa top 10,000
bit says to contac them on download. If for example you are in the alexa top 10,000/b
and it does say 'may prefer'
www.projecthoneypot.org/httpbl.php

I've used their form
I didn#t mention our Alexa rank though.
and neither did I ask for zone files.

I was merely thinking that it would reduce any 'lag/latancy' for lookups

I've actually no idea what a zone file might be…

not actually having used their tool yet, I am only imgining how it works
dns zone file
so you could do lookups locally vs tranvering the web

ic
gethostbyname is what the script uses.
so you think I should try asking them again?

I would say at least touch base… I forget what alexa rating we are but I know it's high
don't want them hunting us

805!
on alexa

they may also be happy to aid us more if we are willing to 'say' we use them later

I didn't think it would be that high

I knew we were top 1000

that's crazy

well crap, my sites dropped
not posting for a month didn't help
oops. have to go deal with child

mailed them again
it's really great fun to watch the block counter increase. :p

seen m3avrck

m3avrck was last seen in #drupal 8 weeks 3 hours ago saying 'well worked on a project with others that did that'.

seen nedjo

nedjo was last seen in #drupal 6 weeks 5 days ago saying 'Ciao all.'.

yikes

Nedjo was never much of a IRC user

ahh i see thanks
tinymce is driving me insane!

that's its main purpose I think

hehe

what else is it good for? :p

ab-so-lute-ly nuthin

if my trial is representative, this small script should remove about 7% of our daily page visits

how could I erase all url aliases but only for a certain node type??

you could do it with some fancy SQL.. maybe. YOu might need to pull the path aliases into an array and parse it with PHP..

hi

the logic would basically be "for each path that matches node/[some number], select that node and check its type. If its type is 'whatever' then delete it."
hey!

yeah, some fancy sql will do
see my mail to infra
Dikini mentioned you'd been in contact with these guys?

webchick, killes, alright I'll try it
thanks

Wow, cool!
Hm. Not really. I posted on their board that I wanted to make a project honeypot module, but someone pointed out the ht black list module.

ic

on a very very very old community I used to be on, we did some graphics work for them.

well, we are running this now on d.o.
hope we doN#t blow their servers. :p

http://drupal.org/project/httpbl
Ha, awesome.

nice, I didn't know about that
I am runnign a custom script which dikini sent to me.
w000t, just passed 1500 blocks.

haha holy crap.

yeah, totally amazing
I was always convinced we'd have a high loa of nasties on d.o but that it's that much is amazing.

5-10% of our traffic?! Yes, I'd say that's… certainly… something.
So when this is added to iptables, will that keep the load down on d.o?
and just filter them out @ the server level?
Or doesn't it really make a difference..

yes, if it is in iptables the access will be blocked before even apache is bothered.

That's fantastic!

we might even try to implement this on the load balancer.

Oooo!!

indeed
the module has the disadvantage that is runs on Drupal. ;p

haha yes, indeed.
I just thought it was cool.

it i
s
if you don't have a load balancer etc

The more of these mfers that are caught, the better, and Drupal has the ability to be used on all types of sites.

right
we actually have a problem with catching the nasties…
their script won't run behind squid.
so currently, we don't catch, we only benefit from others catching…

Ahhh right.
Can't we still put a link to a honeypot in the header?

it would be useless.
their script would report that 127.0.0.1 is spamming. :p

LOL oh right.

http://www.projecthoneypot.org/board/read.php?f=6&i=461&t=461

"In some instances, Project Honey Pot is willing to make the http:BL service available for commercial products such as firewalls, load balancers, or anti-spam appliances. If you are interested in using the http:BL data in this way, please contact us."
from http://www.projecthoneypot.org/httpbl.php

yeah
next paragraph

Since drupal.org is in the top 1000 Alexa rankings, rather than 10,000, maybe they'd be willing to help us.
As I'm sure we get all kinds of interesting crawlers.

yeah
I've used their contact form

Right, I saw that about the DNS

last time I mentioned d.o but no Alexy rankings. .p

But that still leaves us in "leech" mode rather than actively helping them compile lists of spammers.

right
I've mentioned that
shouldn't be too hard for them to send us a modified script.

Yeah

we'll break the 2000 line soon. :p

lol
how long has it been enabled?
Looks like less than an hour?

1:15

ha.
See, now you're not going to get to sleep, cos you'll be refreshing those stats all night.
"Is it 2500 yet??"

:p
actually, there's a number of people who try to unblock themsselves
actually more than 10%of the blocks…

How do they do that?

2000 w000t!

woohoo!!

the script presents a form that allows you to unblock yourself

Ahhh. Interesting!

yeah
I am only not sure if a "smart" crawler could operate this form…

Is there some kind of captcha on it, or?

If I have a cck type called "rate" should I be able to create a node-rate.tpl.php file in my current theme directory and have it use that to display the node? I have tried and it does not seem to work

It bases it off the internal ID.

no
JS, though

which, if you're using 4.7 would be content_rate

5.2

and if you're using 5 is usually just 'rate' (if you've not upgraded from 4.7), but check the form at admin/content/type to be sure, because it can differ.

that works, but for some reason my iframe tag does not

How would I go about creating a new contrib module project? http://drupal.org/node/add/project-project seems to want a CVS directory, which presumably requires someone to create it?

lyricnz - You need to apply for a cvs account

I have a cvs account, of course
but just commit for my modules, I presume.

Oh, I don't know beyond that… The approval email gives a bunch of helpful links
AFAIK, you can make a new project once you have cvs access

Correct

you need to create the contributions/modules/xyz directory first

LOL! I was searching the forums about the panels by term view to see if anyone had done a two column version and ended up finding an old post of mine that I forgot to come back to

lyricnz, have you looked at the handbook?
http://drupal.org/node/100748

5 IRC mentions

heheh. The thing I was doing wrong, was not putting a file in my contrib dir, before trying to commit

I hope you tip yourself, or at least send a note of thanks

agaric - Well, the old post didn't answer my question… So that didn't help me any. Unfortunately, changing this to two columns doesn't look like it will be simple

Wahoo, that worked.

Oooh, I did it. I'm sure it could be done a lot less hacky if I knew what I was doing, but it at least works

is there a drupal function that makes an array an associative array?

back

drupal_map_assoc?

http://api.drupal.org/api/5/function/drupal_map_assoc

seen dmitrig01

dmitrig01 was last seen in #drupal-dojo 3 hours 58 min ago saying 'Out until the 20th or 21st'.

sighs /

http://drupal.org/node/166913 )

Drupal, book.module, normal, patch (code needs review), 8 IRC mentions

"…%title may be added again using the Outline tab, and each of its former child pages relocated manually." OR "…%title may be added again using the Outline tab, and each of its former child pages will need to be relocated manually."
Nobody?

3000!

haha

over 500 of those are unblock events, though

3000? Oh,

FYI - That honeypot blocklist hit me earlier. Kind of an ugly error page, you could at least make it pretty

really?
so what activities are coming forth from your IP? :p
does the unblocking work?

maybe some anti-virus is in order?

It unblocked on it's own after a couple page refreshes (I had logged out, then went to log back in and was greeted by the forbidden page)
Nah - dynamic IP.

interesting

cache maybe?

shouldn't.
the block script runs before Drupal even bootstraps.

WAG == wild ass guessing

I actually came in here to see what it was all about when I saw it, then read the infra email…

guess you need to have a word with your provider…

Me and a few million others I guess

yep
how dare they provide services to spammers and other evil guys…
night!

Night.

user_authenticate?

http://api.drupal.org/api/5/function/user_authenticate

ping dopry

hi

with workflow/actions- can you set off an action when changing state that performs validation, and if it fails block the state change?
i found http://drupal.org/node/71586 which claims it does state change validation… could anyone elucidate how this is supposed to work?

1 IRC mention

!seen davidstrauss
strange.

hi (little later…)

ping
oh, hi greggles, how are you?

hi

go to bed

I don't understand why having themes.d.o alive is a problem

too late for being awake
:-)

no no…. mail server blew up at home trying to fix it
so jjeff, I hope to have a solid roadmap fo rht edocs next week. any chance of an interview to pimp it more?

podcast interview?
sure!

cool… dries sends me email prompting me to broadcast more
but I really didn't have anything solid ntil recently (you seen the pdf?_)
I feel like such a slacker for taking this long too

I couldn't get the pdf to open

like your podcast?
bummer… hmmm… I even generated it with a kubuntu system
did you get it open?
opens with KPDF as well
it's not quite the same as I've added to the docbook, but to get an idea check out http://scratch.blkmtn.org/install-and-config

let's exchange some email and schedule the podcast

ok. use sepeck@gmail.com for now.
my blkmtn mail server blew up and it's causing me restore difficultiues right now

jeff @ thatcompanythingthatido com

pingv.com?

?

I was teasing jjeff
and I didn't think brught.com first

ah

my sone has one of the robot stickers from earlier this year
sone == son
hell, I can't even spell right

sorry I'm distracted… walkah, eaton, and I are sitting in a hotel room cramming for our workshop tomorrow

I am working on fixing my darn mail server and IRC is not necessarily time sensitive. I am used to slightly disjointed conversations
cramming? You didn;t already have a class outline?! /me fires up blog
cramming? You didn;t already have a class outline?! /me fires up blog
yay! mailserver fixed… whew!
now family and friends won't kill me

Are there any plans to add more rule types to Access Rules, i.e., restrict only comments, restrict only submissions, etc?

contrib permissions modules

supprt?
support?

Please direct support questions to the volunteers in #drupal-support or on the Drupal forums. #drupal is a place to discuss and help with code, advocacy, documentation, infrastructure, and pretty much everything else.

mad props to me for reading the topic

What have people found is the best way to have a user editable image gallery?
Just the basics would be great. Allow users to create albums/galleries then allow the users to add pictures to those galleries

well you could use a cck type as a gallery.. or even simply views

I really like the CCK method of uploading images

you could add a cck gallery node type and then reference imags to the gallery with node reference
check out www.centraledesnations.com/photos

patchak

for a very simple gallery, you can use a multiple-value cck imagefields, and you have one node per gallery (of course that doesn't let you move pictures between galleries)

I like this system for upload pictures and auto sizing them etc, but I can find a simple way for users to create the galleries. without the user having to go through taxonomy and views ( link: http://drupal.org/node/144725 )

19 IRC mentions

well why not create galleries as nodes

Hmm

and then assign images to those nodes

Hmmm, I could do that.

one image = one node assigned to a gallery, you just have to theme the gallery node

So would I make a content type of "Gallery"?

yeah

oook, I need to look up themeing of nodes then

and you would use nodereference to link the images to that node
you could even use insert views to insert a grid view in the node body
so no theming necessary heh

Would the view set it self up automatically based on the name of the gallery node??
Sort of a dynamic view

yes of course
something like 'pull all the nodes related to this one' view

And my next question is then, how can I embed a view into the gallery nodes?

there are several ways to do it, you can use modules for that, like insert view and view field
check them out

ok

let's move the discussion in drupal-support

Thanks

hey np

wtf
Forbidden
Sorry. You are using a suspicious IP.
new d.o feature ?

Grrr!

may someone give me some idea about this line? i don't really understand the need of it: comment.module:1011
$query .= ' ORDER BY SUBSTRING(c.thread, 1, (LENGTH(c.thread) - 1))';
the SUBSTRING seems useless?

Hi do you have a sec to talk about http://drupal.org/node/165160

Drupal, database system, critical, fixed, 1 IRC mention

please?

can you test on your mysql installation if user name blocking works with mask like %block% this as far as i know should block all user names with block inside
I tried it and it didn't work but maybe my install is borked somehow

i run those query within mysql directly, and report with expected result
and it is the same case for both Oracle/DB2, and MSSQL, that i am now developing

yes I read your report but maybe you use case is a bit different
you should try quers SELECT * FROM `term_data` WHERE LOWER(name) LIKE LOWER('tblockt');
where name = %block%

yes, i try that too

or you can use access table
and it worked

Anyone know how I could get the exposed filter of a view to use a dropdown instead of an autocomplete search box for filtering freetaged terms?

ok I'll try it one more time just a sec

i test this in phpmyadmin directly, and it is ok: SELECT * FROM `term_data` WHERE LOWER(name) LIKE LOWER('%lp%');
but this will face error: SELECT * FROM `term_data` WHERE LOWER('%lp%') LIKE LOWER(name);

http://drupal.pastebin.com/m21a54ec7
do you see what I'm trying to say?
in user name blocking we compare normal word like "usernameblockthis" with mask from db like "%block%"

my patch comes with LOWER(), did you try that too?

yes

please try to work with term_data (usually more data), and try my examples, too?

SELECT * FROM `access` WHERE LOWER(mask) LIKE LOWER('tblockt') zero results

(my access is always empty ;p)
(in D5)

yes but in term data you donot store masks with % inside
which is the case with access table
try adding some rules at admin/user/rules and use check rules to see if they work

http://drupal.pastebin.com/m4bfae936

term_data is not broken. access is broken.

yes
please add some rules at admin/user/rules and you will have some rows in access table

we are talking about the syntax of query statement, which is not directly related with any table

yes but I think it is in this case you have normal text stored in db while in access table there are masks like "%mask%" which makes a difference

so you means that mask store something like '%block%', and so your compare is no longer function?

http://drupal.pastebin.com/d1c59080b

thank you

ok so i get it now. the problem is becasue we are storing something like '%abcd%' in mask directly, and so the compare become no longer functioning?

yes
your patch changed the order and it broke it

therefore should we change into this way: SELECT CASE WHEN status=1 THEN 0 ELSE 1 END FROM {access} WHERE type = '%s' AND (LOWER(mask) LIKE LOWER('%s') OR LOWER('%s') LIKE LOWER(mask)) ORDER BY status DESC
maybe this can solve the problem?

look like it should work, give me a sec

that substring clause cutsoff the first and the last character of the thread field.
een dww

umum… understand the function, but don't understand the needs…?

seen dww

dww was last seen in 2 days 25 min ago saying 'seen heine?'.

lol

look at the threat column

varchar?
are you talking about the last "/"?

this works for me http://drupal.pastebin.com/m6bb0cee0

may you just running this mysql directly? i hope to test it with paltform independent

yes it works directly aswell

I think so
also the first char

nono, this only trim the last char, as it start with 1 (the first char)

yeah, just found that out, too.

so this will become database dependent problem… at least in MSSQL… i am thinking about solution…
may be i will try to create a MSSQL procedure that wrap the DATALENGTH into LENGTH?

actually, I am not sure that this code is ever called…
and it seems to be quite useless too.

O_o!?
but the remove of these code may require a more deep explore of program logic… and this may be a bit difficult for me…
as i am now focuing on MSSQL driver (only…)

LENGTH, and try the effect. anyway, thank you very much

does that query work with DB2 also? you said DB2 does not support 'text LIKE column'. What would it do in this case?

as I see it, there are four possible modes for comment ordering.
no I missed something

i think it may be a problem too… anyway, i am not able to test it with DB2 right now…
(server is now offline…)
anyway, i get your idea and problem, i will try to fix it as soon as i can

can anyone tell me how to bypass login in drupal?

Summary: I don't really know why the substring is neccessary. :p

lol…

I need some help deciphering some php
Can anyone lend a hand?

meta?

Simply ask your question. No need to ask to ask . Unless you are doing a census, asking whether anyone uses a module isn't going to result in a useful answer.

how to bypass login

is it ok with the drupal assoc. to have the "'drupal" name in the domain name of my site?

morning all
does anyone know if drupal is ipv6 compatible? (i know it will work on an ipv6 host but stuff like watchdog ip addressesn, rules based on ip addresses etc)

ping

was there an answer while my adsl dropped?

depends
we are working on a statement on that.
depends on what php/apache feed to Drupal.

no dependencies on ip addresses in drupal self?
blocking ip addresses? soring in watchdog?

don't think so
if there is sorting it might of course give strange results.

Parser… configure: error: XML

you think that although that way of thinking does allow you to understand the concept but is not quite accurate to what actually happens?

What makes you think that?

Hey people, I manage to open quicktime movies in mplay but without sound
do you know what am I missing?
in mplayer

correct

well i'm trying to compile a kde update and it says it has a qt error, says to recompile kde with threads, if so how do i tell it to recompile with threads?

device-mapper?

dekela, launch mplayer from a shell and look at what it's telling you

I kind of need both.. or, gentoo says i need udev, and i say i need device-mapper

How are you trying to compile hosting this update?

i mean recompile qt with threads support

SePhIr0tH, With the movie?

edit /etc/make.conf add 'threads' to USE='bla bla bla' as in USE='bla bla threads bla'

dekela probably win32codecs?

emerge -uD world

dekela, yes

USE them threads

Not sure how, Its a movie trailer online

what package exactly?
don't see a threads use flag on kde that fast

dekela, with the url link

qt 3.3.8 r3

mplayer http://blabla

no threads on qt
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r3 USE="cups gif ipv6 mysql opengl -debug -doc -examples -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama" 0 kB

k
well its still complaining it wants it recompiled so doing that to see if it then updates

can you post the error to http://pastebin.ca or something?
you sure it says threads? afaik threads = pthreads which has been deprecated for well… since a long long time

yea thats what the build log suggested, it in there just incase

please give us output of 'cat /etc/make.conf | grep USE'

but it could be just a broken build of qt had a similar problem in the past recomplied qt and then the kde updates compiled without problem

but you can still force "amd64" on apache alone. that might be acceptable for you.

the ~x86 is on a relative fresh installation

Just an idea, but have you done a revdep-rebuild lately?

no i havent what does it do?

holy cripes on toast

And if you're going to pastebin your USE flags, may as well pastebin your whole make.conf
bAnd if you're going to pastebin your USE flags, may as well pastebin your whole make.conf/b
It fixes things.

why ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="-~amd64 amd64"?

please give us output of: 'readlink /etc/make.profile; cat /etc/make.conf | grep USE'

well computer is busy compiling qt3 atm, will post asap on my windows laptop atm

why u have multiple shells

no gentoo is on my P4 box

you still have multiple shells… hit Alt+F2

Do you have crazy CFLAGS?

I had ~x86 before and not amd64

hi gentoo guruz, how can i check if netfilter is enabled through the default installation (bare bones, based on the handbook)

is this an old install?

sorry, brainfart. I meant "-~x86 x86"

i'm in the chatroom on my Windows Machine

Ok

it's just to show how many packages would be affected if you _were_ to set the stable x86 keyword now.
in order to establish whether it's safe to change.

Can anyone confirm whether they are getting a segfault when executing "fuser -m /bin/mount" ?

I do not.

works here

could someone please ask to remove http://www.open-whois.org/lookup.cgi?domain=lists.gentoo.org&Lookup=Lookup from there? somewhat annoying

what do you think that will do? listing all processes using files on your filesystem on /bin/mount does not make sense to me /bin/mount is an executable not a mounted fs

(with pcimisc 22.5-r2 (unstable))

http://pastebin.ca/664338

er, psmisc rather

now i got a compile error with the qt recompile

err what?

and there must be others. just noted the reject_warnings

and gentoo-sources 2.6.21

that doesn't look good. there are far too many ~arch versions of core system packages installed for downgrading to be safe.

remove what?

gentoo.org from the rbl?

(and gentoo-sources 2.6.22-r1)

i meant someone from infra or so

I'd recommend you file a bug at http:/ugs.gentoo.org/

ugs? heh

ok, maybe a good idea. will do later

if you want consistent behaviour between both servers and don't want to use testing/unstable packages then you should probably install again. downgrading requires advanced knowledge and bespoke procedures.

ah that makes sense yeah calling a RBL open-whois… they should shoot somebody. but uh try gentoo-ops or gentoo-devs if there is such a thing

or, as AllenJB suggested, you could live with it and simply force the "x86" keyword for the apache package.

damn it i followed alot of guides and all lead to the same place "ACCESS IS DENIED"

none of the packageges are gong down in version number though

er, yes they are. look again.

If my root partition is an ext3 but was made without the -m reserved block size, is it possible to clear some space and have it adjusted without losing your data? Sometimes it fills up and effectively stops my pc

cant make a domain client to join a domain

most of them in fact.

Hello all.

sys-libs/glibc-2.5-r4 [2.6.1] — for example

do you mind us ignoring good habbits? I mean it will get kinda awkward if like 800 ppl are saying hello to each other all the time

hello
that felt good

what happens if I "live with it"

:P

http://nopaste.com/p/a6CbEhPjL for removing that packages from world file. And when tried to do emerge -1 packages, i saw error: Failed to create dir '/var/tmp/portage/* HELP please, i have only subj. system on my pc…

Hi

hello
woohoo i could keep this up all night

I spend a few days moving data aroound an configuring mail/ftp etc… it would be really anoing if I need to reinstall

you get to use testing tree across the board. even if you force "x86" on certain packages, their dependencies will still be "~x86" unless you recurse through those also.
if this is a production system, I don't recommend it. why they heck was the ~x86 flag set anyway?
uif this is a production system, I don't recommend it. why they heck was the ~x86 flag set anyway?/u
the*

-1 installs, -C removes what is it that you're doing?

Are you sure it's bad to downgrade these pacages?

yes!

most ppl know where /ignore is

in particular, downgrading glibc could put your system out of action.

I really can't say… I don't think I set it

ok

oh

run mplayer from terminal and here is what I get:
Cannot find codec for audio format 0×6134706D.

But I guess I must have. Can't understand it

Is there any gentoo dev here? I have a little question..

Anyone know of a nice GUI DVD authoring application, which enables you to write menu screens etc?

indeed. official stageballs never ship with ~arch set.

I need some help by someone who understands strace output to find out what could be causing this segault in "fuser -m /bin/ls". http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34388/ Could some please take a wee look at this?

in chans like this just answer, nobody is going to answer until they know the question as they won't know if they'll be able to answer
s/answer/ask

http://nopaste.com/p/a6CbEhPjL for removing that packages from world file. And when tried to do emerge -1 packages, i saw error: Failed to create dir '/var/tmp/portage/* HELP please, i have only subj. system on my pc…

so anybody know? If i run can i run mke2fs -j -m 1 /dev/(root) without losing the data somehow?

MUAHAHAHAHA
its DONE !

for a segfault gdb'ing it and getting a backtrace would probably be more useful than just an strace

so what's your actual issue? you can't install something or what?
i see errors coming by all the time, it still works

parellel emerge is a bad thing to do? For example two emerges without common dependencies?

ugh, a null pointer deference in kernel mode. that's pretty bad. for the record, I'm using 2.6.20-hardened-r6 and it's OK. that looks like quite a serious bug - I think you should file it.

no, if you recreate the fs you loose the data

StormByte Apparently not. But it's no faster than doing it one after the other

Guess I need to start backing up my conf files

kerframil, oh. I'll try downgrading to your kernel version and see if its the kernel. thanks

Damm.

are you trying to increase space or something? i think there's a grow option

not really, there are a couple race conditions when merging/unmerging, but they happen fairly rarely

not ideal.

(mostly unmerging)

wdinows needs alot of restarting untill you put the machine in a domain ) hehehe

is evoltion 2.x only able to write in ldap with v2 protocol ?

also portage uses locks for a lot of stuff these days, so it's slowed down a bit by that

right. please do file on it when you can. it really merits some further attention.

freakynl, no, just to reserver space…cause if root partition fills up many things stop working

(fex. if you start an emerge while something is merging it'll wait till it's done before it builds the deptree (or starts fetching, not sure which)

because i used sabayon linux for this gentoo install cause i'm lazy, and evidently they didn't understand the need for the -m option!

?

if both hosts are otherwise quite similar, maybe you could roll some binary packages from the x86 host and use that to quickly bring the other host up to speed (after unpacking a fresh stageball).

they are supposed to be identical in many ways. How can I use the binary pacs from the other server?

In all merges that use libtool for building, parallel is faster, because libtool is so slow and does not use 100% of CPU power

install portage-utils and start by running: qlist -IC | xargs quickpkg

Does someone knows how to permit Kopete not to ask the password every time to open the kde wallet?

note the .tbz2 packages that are created under /usr/portage/packages(/All).

on the target.

as long as the tbz2 files are copied across or mounted.
for example, unpack stage3 then emerge -auDk world (-k = –usepkg).

how do i need to compile evolution to get LDAP support, i used ldap…but i cant see any LDAP settings in preferences

maybe also ask in #kde or #gentoo-kde

I've installed splash and it works fine, but it doesn't show the icons when services are started!

No one has crazy CFLAGS, atleast not in their own opinion =P

Good point.

there are a lot of netfilter options. try: zgrep -E '(NF_|NETFILTER)' /proc/config.gz

freakynl/TFKyle: I don't need this command to work per se…its just that the halt.sh script in /etc/init.d is executing something similar during reboots which causes the oops messages. Are either of you able to tell from the systrace output here whether it could a kernel or userland related
thing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34388/

Please just ask your question

emerge -C pkgs && emerge -1 pkgs. But emerge doesn't work any more aftef my command (

my CFLAGs are really crazy

: [sdb] 1014784 512-byte hardware sectors (520
should be 495,5
flaptoppy ~ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/bla.tmp count=2048 bs=1024
2097152 bytes (2,1 MB) copied, 0,0135133 s, 155 MB/s

TFKyle, ok I will try that after trying an older kernel and then an unstable version of psmisc

it's often permissible but you should be very sure that there are no common deps. and, in theory, there are other things that can go wrong (although the circumstances under which it could would be very rare).

should be 2 exactly

I'm a dev from kuroo (starting one) and I planned to do emerge –oneshot –nodeps for some uncommon dependencies in paralell, but I need advise from portage devs to do that, I don't know if its secure or not

tune2fs is your friend

ok

kerframil, sweet thanx

ARGH revdep-rebuild didn't pick up on apache using expat and now apache won't start and in 1/2 an hour i am supposed to demonstrate a website to clients…

thanks all for answering!

someone here who can shortly help me with evolution-ldap contacts. I can search the ldap contacts dir with the dist. name i use in evolution ( tried ldap search ) also the search base is correct ( tried ldap search ). But i still get "qry not successfuly"

hmm, is there some really bad lag between freenode servers or something?

you could try the temporary and ugly method of creating a symlink

yeah there are some issues with services and so on

mzbot, teach BCMM expat

expat-2.0.1 has been marked stable. However, it is not ABI compatible with earlier versions. To successfully upgrade and fix any reverse dependencies (along with several other issues), run: emerge -n1 ~portage-2.1.2.12 && emerge -n portage-utils && emerge -qep world | grep
–color=never -oFf (scanelf -plRBF '%F %n' | awk '/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}' | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e "libtool\ncurl") | xargs emerge -1

2097152 bytes is correct. It's probably correct in so far as it's 2.1MB, _not_ 2.1MiB
i.e. in mebibytes it's 2, but in megabytes it's closer to 2.1

woah, that has changed…
um look
i just remerged apache and no joy

it's not 2.1 with 1000 either

it's 2.097. that's close enough :p

please please please, someone, what is the quickest way to get apache to function normally?

can you be more specific? also try asking #gentoo-apache

with 1 decimal place, the rounding is correct.

it won't start, init script says /usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
remerging does not help

http://www.pastebin.ca/664351

rebuilt expat, and look at topic

what friendly12345 had the bot say to you is the solution

erm rebuild apache

guess that's true, as with 1024 it's .048, but still

yeah but is there anything i could do faster to just fix apache? i'm supposed to demo a website in 30 mins…

as far as i'm concerned 2.0 MiB == 2.0MB there is no 1000's in my opinion in IT and it shouldn't come to it just because some disk sellers think it should

try symlinking to the new expat library, if you really need to get it working within 30mins - there is no guarantee that apache will work properly though

no

i've rebuil dapache already
hmm thanks anyway

please don't give people bad advice like that
please don't do the symlinking

the expat problem is system wide, if you ignore the expat fix given by mzbot you'll have nothing but problems

nah i know that malfunction is gonna be worse for me than total failure

I've already warned him/her that that is ugly

bah, i already "fixed" it when the instructions where just revdep-rebuild

don't really have a choice i'd put that command in a shell and hope for the best

it's changed now hasn't it?

that's your opinion. I'm just relating the explanation.

thanks all

and my explanation makes sense.

um no one happens to know the specific dep of apache that might cause this do they?

thanks kerframil!

there's no shortcutting the expat issue. sorry

perl -e 'printf ("%.1f", 2097152/1000/1000)' displays 2.1

thanks…

readelf or depspec is your friend

when did the mzbot advice change?

dunno, some ops here have been working hard to come up with a command that works best

gah, py 2.5 still isn't in ~arch

hum in general how much stuff is that going to remerge?

but quit talking here and go run it, you're wasting time

already syncing in preperation

depends heavily on your system. if it's a server without xorg and so on, quite fast. if it's something with a gui, tons of stuff
on my java server hosting it was like 5 items. on my desktop it was 66

you'' notice you have two versions of apr and apr-util, recompile all 4 apache works again

hmm?

emerge -e apache —may be quicker but only semi-complete

just be clear, I'm not disagreeing that the MiB vs MB thing can be somewhat irksome. I'm just telling him why it's saying what it's saying.

oh thanks

hi, ive problem with coldplug-20040920-r1 its blocked by sys-fs/udev-089

libexpat.so.0 issue?

absolutely

yup, go for it

thanks

wow when is the last time you did updates of any kind?

you don't need coldplug, unmerge it and upgrade udev

I just emerge -C apr apr-util apache && emerge apache

actually, revbuild could be your friend too, as I added the -p option

okay

uh i wouldn't suggest that unles syou quickpkg those first

(to say to just check the binaries that are in the given package)

thanks
apr and apr-utils are smallish packages?

if i do a minimal install how long would it take to get to a kde4 + beryl ?

yup

great! apache just took much less long to compile than i thought
and with that done once it should be ccached

teach Xplicit how long

Since everyones system varies in speed and other factors, it is generally not possible for anyone to say how long emerging something may take. However, you could ask someone who has gentoolkit installed, and the package you are wondering about installed, to do a genlop -t packagename to get
an idea.

i know _why_ it does it, what i don't believe is why we IT ppl succombed to some disk manufactorers

Is there any other file other than /etc/conf.d/local.start where to put commands you want to be run at startup?

ok. well I just wanted to separate the two issues. I thought you were disputing the math initially.

is udevfsd working similar to coldplug when system is booting?

thx

I am haning problems with gnome, gnome applets crashes as soon as I open them???

kde takes centuries

no i dispute the fact we (the opensource world) succombed to some disk selling strategies and unknowing end-users. i mean stuff like this 2097152 bytes (2,1 MB) copied, 0,0135133 s, 155 MB/s

kde4 is only available from an overlay as a monolithic build by the way

confuses the shit out of me, not to mention when i have to use a hexeditor to look at disks n such and use dd to copy parts of them offsets n such look really stupid now

do i need hotplug scripts when i am using udev
?

and linux host being about choice, i want to know where the flag is that makes everything 1024 multiples again

yes, it is confusing but don't use the S word please

mind the language please

sorry didn't notice

Can anyone suggest a simple, light weight mail server to install? I only need it to see errors sent to root.

full on rant mode

so uh, where's the flag???

look at dd manpage, it's explained which prefixes are base 2 and which are base 10

yea i can specify MiB, it will still output MB

they're all pretty lightweight in real terms. I like postfix, personally.

do i need hotplug scripts with udev

Thanks.

even worse, M=1024's MB=1000's MiB=1024's etc

wow gentoo pages are back online!

they were down?

few days
not more

i could'n acces few…
in the past few dasy

the root of gentoo wiki was down yersterday, and a lot of its pages

hmm, http://packages.gentoo.org/ looks kinda strange

and gentoo-portage.com is back too

gentoo-wiki != gentoo

you're right…

jes' chiming in with other gentoo-related things that were down

ah, p.g.o/etc. are back up (without p.g.o obviously)

mencoder is part of mplayer, right? whenever I emerge mplayer, I never get mencoder. What do I need to do?

ohh I do like the new packages.gentoo

you probably need the encode USE flag

should I enable sse3 for a p4? or is that going to slow it down? It's a p4 with HT, and I'm running it under SMP

? most p4's don't have sse3

some do

and yours does?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3

so I guess it will slow it down if i have stuff compiled with sse3 and it doesnt?

pni == SSE2 right?

ok. will try that now.

depends on whether it also generates x86 compatible code i guess

ah, pni is sse3

SSE3, also known by its Intel code name Prescott New Instructions (PNI)\
from the wikipedia

-march=prescott should enable it automatically if you've got a prescott

mzbot, wiki simmerz safe cflags

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags

how can i tell easily if I have a prescott?

if you used -msse3 or a -march that enabled it it would cause apps that use it to crash with invalid instruction when they try to use it afaik

ok, they don't crash

I think -mcpu is safer to work with earlier CPU's, but a bit slower
or -mtune rather

that worked. thanks!

however, lshw doesn't show sse3 in capabilities for the cpu

cat /proc/cpuinfo to check if you have sse3 2

It's pni in cpuinfo..

tmr: pni is in there

yep

guess I should really be using -march=prescott?

I can't log on to my AP using WPA. I can in cleartext. Could someone take a look on my WPA config to see if I did anything wrong? http://pastebin.org/859

for some reason when i emerge stuff it says i have one too many config files to update (when i run etc-update it always has one less that what emerge reports)

Hi there, how can I disable the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to instantly kill X (and log out when windowmanager is used)?
I see no relevant line in xorg.conf

hang on, i know that one
in serverflags
Option"DontZap""yes"

I have ServerLayout section, serverflags not.

you'd have to add it

I see the online package database is still down

add a section, and an option in that section?

yes.

yes, which is why the topic still says that

Thanx, bunder!

gentoo-portage.com works

yes I know bunder, I just checked. thanks
I assume they are concentrating on fixing these problems and not keeping programs updated?

that is/was a bug in portage, it has been fixed in later versions

i see… so at least its not my system

hi btw

hi

god this emerge is taking forever, i was hoping to wake up and be able to take care of unbricking my router this morning

i'm still on self-imposed fgo sabbatical
renice?

Coud U recommend me some app (lightweight, like xchm) to read .lit files? (eBook files)

i know

its not my fault that some mods thing porn is okay in otw
s/thing/think

take it to /query if you want to continue, this is OT here

ok

what can you do if you've added a new feature to a package in portage, but, the author of the program's reported e-mail address fails, is there another way to get it into portage?

`Goatee: open a bug

`Goatee: and let the bug wranglers decide who to assign to.
`Goatee: such bugs should be marked with a severity level of "enhancement".

`Goatee: make sure to mark it as a feature enhancement
hah

tweedledum and tweedledee, at your service

thankyou

when I change a ebuild, how to regenerate his digest?

please stop changing nicks

It's just a little thing, I added highscores to Lightyears, but, it's a stable enough mod.

still up?

download a cli utilitu called clit(covert lit) which wil convert the lit file into html and then you can use any webbrowser to view it.

anyone got a ballpark idea of how long openoffice takes to emerge?

what kinda machine?

oh! he left

its 3.30 PM … of course I am up

turion64 running 32 bit with 1gb ram
2ghz
ah, I just woke up here… couldn't even tell you what time it is

do you have ccache?

?

hehe d3ity

ok, in that case, I'd take a ballpark guess at about 8 hours

I'm betting me not knowing what that is means no… what is it?

but it's anybody's guess, really
ccache is the compiler cache

plus the fact that since I was sleeping, I have no idea how long it's been going for exactly

if you turn it on, your first build becomes much slower, and subsequent builds become much faster.

would having such a thing improve compile times? if so, how would I go about getting it? just emerge it?

gentoo ccache

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=3

ah, the handbook, as soon as this compile is done and I get into a desktop, i'll check it out
might be beneficial on my desktop machine as well that has yet to go through the revdep-rebuild ordeal

In kde my title bar has disappeared and I can't switch to other applications, when I do i only see blakness

anyone know of any necessary use flags to get shorewall / iptables working together? Everything seemed to compile without a hitch, until I got to installing shorewall, which wouldn't emerge with a minimal flag for iproute2… so I neg'd that flag for that package… but I keep getting
messages from iptables that "No chain/target/match by that name" with a minimal shorewall config…

no need to cross-post

you are missing required NETFILTER options in the kernel. my advice is to enable all of them as modules then see which ones are loaded after you've started shorewall. then you can narrow down the kernel .config to just those modules that you need.

… and I would see which ones were enabled by using lsmod ?

negating iproute2 useflag isnt a good idea
iproute2 is …pwn

yeah

I negated the minimal use flag, not iproute2… ( at least not intentionally. )

I checked the contents of the initramfs and it doesn't include the images folder of the splash theme
how can I add the icons folder?

hi here
need some help

I'll be right back, gonna try startx

just installed gentoo on my fakeraid,installed grub to boot windows and gentoo,windows work fine,but when gentoo boot it give me a Kernel Panix
Kernel panix - not suncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0)

is there any docs on the overlays? also, layman -L did not list xeffects, i could add it with layman -a xeffects tho', that's kinda strange. anyways, for kde4 (beta stuff) i appearantly have to unmask a lot of stuff and there's bound to be some info on it (don't see any options in layman to get
an informational/project url)

when did busybox become part of system, and why?

busybox is important

dunno long time ago, probably for portage chroot's but it's just a guess

if you need it you *really* need it :p

build it statically and you can fix a ruined glibc system

hrm, still libexpat issues…

nobody can help with my kernel panic ? ;( want to finish my install so i can use it ^^

Mytenia, are you using an initial ramdisk?

what do you have as your root= parameter?

either you're specifying the wrong root=, you don't have drivers for your harddisk controller or something similar

ok, reported and the edited files have been attached to the bug, it is a well thought through system, thanks for your help.

When I hibernate (using suspend2) with X closed.. it all works fine, but when I hibernate with X and resume.. after loading the screen turns black with colored vertical lines.. I think it is a graphics driver issue.

0,0 is usually disk controller driver missing, anything else is generally either wrong filesystem or filesysgtem driver not compiled into the kernel

i'm using ramdisk like i read on a gentoo wiki,i have root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc real_root=/dev/mapper/isw_ibffgcffb_Volume06
my grub is as follow:

bbiab

thx for the fyi

root (hd0,0) 2nd line: kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r2 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc real_root=/dev/mapper/isw_ibffgcffb_Volume06 dodmraid
not enough used to linux to find the problem and fix it,dunno where to look ;(

mmmh, dmraid

like i said i'm using a fake raid *Intel Matrix Storage*

ew. dmraid. icky.

is there any docs on the overlays? also, layman -L did not list xeffects, i could add it with layman -a xeffects tho', that's kinda strange. anyways, for kde4 (beta stuff) i appearantly have to unmask a lot of stuff and there's bound to be some info on it (don't see any options in layman to
get an informational/project url)

fake raid is evil. can't help you with it, i avoid it like the plague.

anyone else having a problem installing nvidia-drivers on amd64 running in 32-bit mode?

only way i found to use both linux and windows on a raid

dmead, what do you mean running in 32bit mode? gentoo x86 ?

yes

sorry i'm on gentoo amd64 :/

:/

? wtf is fake raid, and what's wrong with something like a 3ware raid controller

I think it wont work

won't work?

mask nvidia-drivers using package.mask
and install nvidia drivers from their website…

hmmmmm
ok

this is how I solved the problem, maybe there is a better way

ya kno i dont think i installed a crond yet

not a solution for everyone.

not a solution

there should probably be a way to address the problem via portage

fakeraid is software raid that's integrated on motherboards.

hello… which package is mencoder from?

hello , wacht step up movie the best movie

and 3ware cards are hardware raid, i prefer linux sw raid instead.

DrEeevil dmead you are right, this is not any nice solution… adding 32bit support in portage by a USE flag can't be so hard

meh… still no X gotta rebuild my windowmanager

hello , wacht step up movie the best host movie

mplayer
nvidia works in 64bits fyi

oh right. I have mplayer installed though but not mencoder. Guess I have to put it as part of the use flags

it works in 64bits, but not for 32bit apps

add encode use flag.

ah great thanks

which 32bit apps?

like games-fps/enemyterritory, quake4-demo, doom3-demo
etc.

works for me.
what card?

all 3 are real raid solutions IMHO, 2 of them just use the CPU to create it. not familiar with raid sets created by nvidia chipset and other cheap stuff, but i take it the bios doesn't see them correctly? otherwise it shouldn't be a problem as long as it's support. btw, win2000/xp/2003 do
support software raid

quake-4 works fine 64bit

on 64bit
quake4 isnt 64
:p

fine, point is it works

mmm maybe it works now, didn't work a year ago or so when I begun using amd64…

I wireless keep connecting and disconnecting. I never get the change to get an IP. I use WPA, what could be wrong?

yap it does :p

well
SmatZ, my arch is x86
not amd64
but installing the x86 modules seems to be messing it up

oh sorry …

they are consider fakeraid because it's not hardware raid, but i only like to refer to "fake raid" when it doesn't provide any fault tolerant.

only install the bin, do the data transfer manually

ok i'm back in my install,remounted the drive using the live cd etc,but dunno where to look first for the problem ;(

but the processor itself IS amd64
etc
brb

he's problably missing sata drivers in kernel.

gonna look

i just like to call it software-raid, fake raid makes me think ppl sell jbod as raid-1 or something

yea fake-raid should equal raid0 since it doesn't provide redundancy.

my raid array is a raid1

but those bios raid solutions really suck, because they create partitions across all the drives that take up all the space, which prevents you from using software raid in linux based hosting services along with windows.

ok in kernel i have Serial Ata and Parallel Ata build-in

i get it, but semi-hardware-raid should never be seen as a single disks so you can do software raid on it again. it might confuse the raid logic too and just because raid-1 says it's a mirror it doesn't mean the vendor doesn't decide to write disk-1 from beginning-end and disk-2 from
end-beginning or much more complex methods

under it i have Ahci Sata support,Intel ESB, ICH………PATA/Sata support build-in

this the intel ich controller? do you have CONFIG_ATA_PIIX, CONFIG_SATA_AHCI enabled?
well those semi-hardware-raid solutions take up all the space on the drives when an array is create, thus preventing anyone from creating a separate raid partition. this prevents me from having both linux,windows on 1 machine now when using raid.
get rid of CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX if you have it enabled. also post lspci output.

bleh. I am curious - recently I did a lot of upgrading and also changes to my config files for X.org. one of them has changed behaivour on my system. now X apps which use images seem to be often crashing. for example, firefox will segfault everytime I try to run it, while xloadimage will
randomly work on some of my PNGs but not others, crashing with messages lik 'An internal error (SEGV) has occurred. If you would like to file a bug..' Does this sound …
… like any particular error to anybody? (revdep-rebuild reports everything's ok, and I'm using ~amd64)

/exit

what's the right way to set or save "ip rule" conf so it will be ready after each boot up?
s/each/every/

ok kernel compile hosting and copied,but now lspci don't seem to work,weird

if you're talking about netfilter, the iptables init.d script does exactly that.

Whats the native samba equivalent for linux?

oops

samba?

^

if I were to buy a usb-stick wlan card, as i'm sick of trying to get my built-in to work, what type of card should I get?

net-fs/samba? _

I mean to share between linux pcs, rather than to support windows file sharing

nfs, I would imagine.

NFS is the closest thing to a de-factor standard. you can use CIFS to share between Linux hosts though (Unix extensions are supported).

yea, nfs _

from all fwmark 0×64 lookup vpn

i.e. CIFS isn't just "windows file sharing".

rules that look up local/main/default is set by kernal by default

hey guys i can't change the timezone no matter what i put in conf.d/clock it stays EST any ideas

ah. well you could put your rules in /etc/conf.d/local.start I suppose.

killer-9, /etc/localtime ?

thanks, that's a nice place

ayayae,do i need to copy everything from my lspci output or just the things concerning Hdd,Sata and raid ?

psych, localtime point to the zone that i want in /usr/share symbolically

killer-9: Which field in /etc/conf.d/clock are you editing?

just your sata line.
killer-9: /usr/share/zoneinfo/….

got 2 that may be usefull

JB318, Timezone

post them

killer-9: What were you setting it to?

Europe/Sofia

Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH (ICH7 Family) SATA RAID Controller (rev 01)

JB318, Europe/Sofia

killer-9: Got me. I don't remember where else you're supposed to set the timezone any more
killer-9: That looks OK to me

do you have CONFIG_ATA_PIIX, CONFIG_SATA_AHCI enabled?

my user is added to the wheel group, but when i try to su to root, it tells me Authentication failure… how can I fix that?

killer-9: set symbolic link from /etc/localtime to it.

killer-9, Where does it say 'EST?

Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE614x SATA II PCI-E controller (rev 01)

did you relogin that user first?
you using the intel badaxe2 board?

psymin, #date

likewhoa… i was doing #su - user …. then $su

non Asus p5wdg2-Ws-pro workstation motherboard

3 EST

likewhoa, and also when i login into xfce and launch a term, it wont either

killer-9, if you log out, and back in .. does the date command still output EST?

psymin, and i want to change that adding sync to ntp server
psymin, aham that is the problem

enabled the stuff i posted above.
type "id username" and make sure he's part of the wheel group.

likewhoa, (wheel),11

nice motherboard btw

sata ahci is build-in,but i can't find the other one in make menuconfig

it's in SATA section right on top.

got AHCI SATA support Built-in

it's called Intel ESB, ICH, PIIX3, PIIX4 PATA/SATA support

Intel ESB, ICH, PIIx3, PIIx4 Pata/Sata Support,is it that ?
ok,it's already enabled

likewhoa, brb

well then it's something with genkernel and i can't help you with that since i refuse i mean don't use it.

not using genkernel ;p

Is there any way to tell the kernel not to cache files of a specified process?

that kernel line looks like you are..

it's the line i can see using make menuconfig to configure the kernel

psymin, Any ideas where ntpdate is getting its zoneinfo?

hi

likewhoa, okay, still having the problem

I'm trying to do a emerge -avuDN system and udev is being blocked by device-mapper
how do I resolve this?

could you paste the details of the block please?

ok

pastebin if it's more than a few lines.

hi ,is there a simple to get ride of the starting/stopping service message when parallel statup is activated

in any case, I think I know what the answer is. try to specifically upgrade deivce mapper first: emerge -a1 device-mapper
device*

http://pastebin.com/m5d0a8871

yes, upgrade device-mapper as indicated above.
it needs to be at least 1.02.19-r1.

what's oneshot do for you that regular emerge doesn't?

don't add to the world file.

ok
is there any reason I wouldn't want this added to the world file?

it depends

I do emerge -avuDN system before world anyway

faq world

The world file is stored at /var/lib/portage/world and contains a list of packages that have been previously emerged as a result of being _explicitly_ given to emerge as parameters (i.e. unnamed dependencies that get emerged don't make it in). As an emerge target, "world" effectively refers
to all of the package names defined in this file (and also implies "system").

as a general rule of thumb, world shouldn't contain deps of things you've asked for, only things you've asked for.
if device-mapper is something you explicitly request then yeah, it should be in there.
but using -1 won't remove it.
for example, if I run qdepends -Q device-mapper I can see that lvm2 depends on it.
I have lvm2 in world, so technically, device-mapper doesn't need to be in there as well.
like I said, it depends

killer-9, is ntpd running?

lvm2 is the "top-level package". that it needs device-mapper is co-incidental to my needs. if I run emerge world with at least the -u parameter, I know device-mapper will be updated wherever possible.
also, littering world with low-level deps can stop depclean from working properly in some cases.
because nothing in world is considered a candidate for removal, ever.

thanks for the help kerframil, got to go now

psych, yeah

ok

psymin, yeah
psymin, look i think that the hwclock is set to keep localtime and this is the problem do you know how to convert it

killer-9, if the daemon was started before the timezone change, try restarting it

psymin, i did restarted everything so many times

hmm

can anyone recommend a command-line ftp program?

Aw0L, ftp

lftp

uh-huh
thanksguys

Aw0L, use telnet ip 21 and speak FTP

Aw0L, try getting use to ftp it's the most commonly used one and it is almost everywhere installed

"pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down", what it is the solution ?

killer-9, I don't seem to have it - is it part of another package?

Aw0L, ncftp

Aw0L, net-ftp/ftp

thanks

can I remotely start a shell as if I was at the machine?

hasueno; yes ssh/telnet

while you're at it look at screen

end-schranz, that's just a normal one, I mean as if I was really at the box itself, screen wakeup the lots
I need a shell that won't die when I timeout
where I can screen to

If i am installing gentoo inside vmware workstation Do i still have to do the fdisk step? it does not seem to be working anyway

because this internet connection is so crappy, it disconnects every 20 min or so, and then my ssh terminals die

just start screen and use screen -R -D if you get disconnected
use screen on the remote machine of course, but it survives disconnects quite well

i would also recommend the scree sollution

okay, I'll try a plain screen then

is there a simple to get ride of the starting/stopping service message when parallel statup is activated?

hi

Hey, what's the program which I can edit gtk programs' themes with?

alright, group photo
say cheese!

:o

http://slackwaregallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/2007-08-20-110011_1280×800_scrot.png
progo, gtk-chtheme?

abby, you have a such program?

progo, it's in portage

abby, thanks

progo, np

so .. I have a dedicated 3ware raid card .. on pci-express .. wha'cha guis recommend for 8×500G read/write speed ? .. a whole raid 5 with all the drive ? .. a raid50 ? .. a raid 6 ? .. raid 10 ?

abby, pretty fancy desktop you have.

Forgive me, but I always thought Stripping was the fastest

it's supposed to be a file-server D

progo, thanks

anybody got a link for the doxygen gui?

BlackBishop, is not :p

I have a very messy desktop, but, hey it reflects me

BlackBishop, oh YOUR box lol

:P

raid0 should be fastest, but that implies you don't care about data loss
otherwise I'd say raid5 is the best compromise

2 config files in '/etc' need updating." and then etc-update only lists 1 config file?

since I swithed from kernel 2.6.20 to kernel 2.6.22 and the ibm-acpi module has been remane to thinkpad-acpi (I updated the kernel config) my kima applet doen't show anymore the hibernate option. I don't how to do suspend-to-ram.

well .. I don't care about the data loss .. ( at least .. not much .. ) .. raid 5 or 50 ?

raid0

try dispatch-conf instead. also, you can search for the files with: find / -type f -name "._cfg*"

if you want to go for speed go all the way

all the drives in a raid 0 ? .. I think .. I should at least do a 10 ..

kerframil, dispatch-conf only listed one file too

depends on how much you prefer data integrity over performance

well .. the drives are 1 day old
and have a 5 year warranty ..

raid 10 loses half the space, raid5 is a bit slower and loses 1/nth with n disks
raid10 tends to be a bit faster at the cost of space

8720 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4363.18 MB/sec
524 MB in 3.01 seconds = 173.95 MB/sec
this is the raid50 .. ( 3T of space .. yumm )

anyone used gem in a while?

blackace, what kind of controller you running that raid on?
oops
BlackBishop, what kind of controller you running that raid on?
stupid autocomplete
i've got a old dual celeron with 3T of space in raid5 but I don't get those speeds

it's a 3ware pci-express 9650SE-8lmpl

ah nice
i'm using 2 older PATA 3ware cards

abby, i want such desktop you have!

at this price .. it should be .. I almost fainted when I heard the price

my mess (scaled to get onto imageshack) http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shotxv9.png

this is a sata ||

yeah $600 isn't very realistic for a home user haha

I got it for 400$

BlackBishop, lucky.. ebay? or you just got the hookups?

CNU, compiz-fusion, emerald, and avant, and conky
CNU, plus a good icon theme and custom wallpaper

`Goatee, that is a mess.. i don't use desktop for anything but backgrounds

abby, thank you

well, you are very disciplined, as you can see I use itr as a dumping ground

I have a nice provider who .. after a couple of years .. and lots of stuff baught .. started giving discounts ..

CNU, yup

`Goatee, well.. i use my home dir for the same thing.

oh, now that's also a mess
I dev stuff, so, it gets pretty messy

BlackBishop, sweet. to bad newegg and the like don't do that… i'd be some kind of gold member after all the purchases made there
`Goatee, i understand completely

thankyou

so would I !

What's the latest version of perl in avalible via portage?

just emerge -s it

but .. as you can see .. I'm not only buyin' stuff under 100$ .. in 2 months .. I got stuff for like .. 5000$

or better grab eix
5.8.8-r2

Thanks

it's nice to see that you're having fun, but try to keep it a bit more gentooish here please

how in the hell do i enable PHP with this new apache i just emerged lol
weird

Uh oh… its DrEeevil

I am ! I'm installing gentoo on a separate 160G drive so I can still experiment with the raid card

ok c bon j'avais oublier 1 ligne dans grub.conf ^^

if you wanna have really of topic discussions, just go to #xmce, that channel's mine and I don't care

ops

yeah, but the rest is a bit offtopic

sry,i forgot 1 line in my grub.conf

DrEeevil, there wasn't anyone asking questions… not allowed to talk in here?

do you still have to compile every single thing in gentoo? or have they decided that its pointless yet?

well … a bit yes, but too much is too much

compiling rules

MoonPatrol, start at stage 3 and you don't have to compile much

or binmerge

Chris?

what's the purpose of passive mode connections when dealing with FTP?

Is it correct for linux-headers to be a higher version then the linux sources installed? emerge wants to install linux-header-2.6.21 while I'm using hardened-sources-2.6.20. Should I force it to use a 2.6.20 version of linux-headers and do emerge -e world twice?

it's something to do with arbitary high ports

halo
edge

how do you take off the default firewall?

dmead, default firewall?

iptables

"take off" ?

remove..

dmead, can't you just disable iptables?

yea, where
i can never remember

dmead, check /etc/init.d/

not there

why not?

it's a kernel module

./etc/inet.d/iptables stop

dmead, then just remove the module or the iptable rules

wheres that ?

ah, this answers my q. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-574734-highlight-headers+higher.html

i think when the module loads
it just blocks everything by default
all incoming traffic

why compiling gcc doesn't use -j8 ?

it shouldnt

dmead, do an "iptables -L" to see what rules you have set

by default i mean

dmead, but as i recall there's no default rules when you install it

isn't there the flush option
flush table

yeah -F

and -X too !

ugg, the binary isn't there
the default kernel config just crams it in

hmm hmm

quick ?
i added -D PHP5 to APACHE_OPTS
and the server just spits out a plaintext document instead of passing it over to PHP

hi

dmead, you're binary should have been installed when you emerged iptables

does anyone hee uses intel-hda sound card?

dmead, try running it as root. your user may not have rights to it

i have one

Im a bit confused, cause all the config files for apache have changed around
so I dunno what's wrong

i installed the package
there seems to be no rules set
i think my dns/bind server is doing the blocking actually
cause i can ping my ip

what exactly sound card do U have?

you /etc/init.d/apache restart ?

abby, you need to add a line so the apache geronimo server hosting knows to preprocess .php files before sending them

maybe i'll describe my problem

an intel 82801FB on board controller part of my mainboard

teach Morpheouss ask

Just ask, don't ask to ask, don't ask who's familiar. Don't ask if anyone knows about it. Just ask the question, it's the easiest way to get people to answer

choose the blue one

SkunkyFone, i did

maybe #gentoo-apache ?

are there a file somewhere telling me wich version of gentoo i got installed? im going to choose a profile now, i forgot that when i installed gentoo, half a year ago.

ultralisk, where would i do that? Like I said the config files have gotten rearranged

abby, check your httpd.conf for the php.conf include

ultralisk, a bunch of IF statements are littered all over the place now

version of gentoo?
:p

head -n1 /var/log/emerge.log

ultralisk, alright

abby, looks like this Include /etc/apache2/modules.d/70_mod_php5.conf

ultralisk, Include /etc/apache2/modules.d/*.conf

hmm 169388202: Started emerge on: Jan 21, 2007 14:03:22

that should do it I suppose, but nothing happens except I get a plain text document back

i keep getting errors when trying to emerge system -u
its been happening since a few months ago

this about having to choose i a "profile" is crap! i want to have gentoo like it was in the old days

abby, not sure if wildcards work

too bloated.

abby, check to see if the php conf exists in modules.d

ultralisk, that was the default httpd.conf lol
ultralisk, it does

wildcards work here

I have HP nx7300 notebook with Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) HDA based on AD1981 chip. I installed alsa-driver-9999 and it loads snd-hda-intel module. In alsamixer i have only: Master, PCM, Mic Boost, Caller ID, Internal, Off-hook. Sound quality is not good. I installed XMMS but equalizer does
not work there. Can anyone tell me what might be wrong?

abby, hrm

i may be butting in, do you have -D PHP5 or -D PHP$ in /etc/conf.d/apache2

abby, make sure that libphp5.so exists where its looking for it?

philw, i do indeed

anyone?

I looked in that 70_mod_php5.conf file
Maybe this line has something to do with it
IfModule mod_mime.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
?

any asus a8js user here?

IfModule? What the hell is that? lol

the section gets parsed only if the indicated module is loaded

abby, that just tells the server to use php for *.php files

checks if the module is loaded: above that is test for mod_php5 not being there and if so load it

ultralisk, do you know where I can enable this "mod_mime" thingy?
philw, so i dont think mod_mime is loaded
what do you think?

that's part of the default httpd.conf - check there

Is there a program or script that will go through all my music and rename it based on tags? eg. i have like 1000 mp3s and flacs in one dir and i want /dir/artist/album/song.ext?

abby, that should already be loaded

philw, yeah, it's loaded
so what in the world could be wrong
i wonder

This sounds like just the job for a python script. But I don't python that well….

abby, check in /usr/lib/apach2/modules for libphp5.so . make sure its there

ultralisk asked about libphp5.so - it should be in /usr/lib/apache2/modules/
oops

philw, yep it's there

hmm, to get swedish with mozilla-firefox-bin, shall i USE -sv or -sv_SE?

hey … I'm unable to mount my usb flash. (it used to mount fine some time ago). mount says: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so

(not with minus though)

what can I do ?

bleh

sure it's not sdc1 or something?

SkunkyFone, I am sure.

ldd /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so reports missing libraries, perhaps?

I broke expat :'( help
gnome-screensaver now fails to emerge, pango too,..

/topic

im at a loss here guys, any ideas?

abby, i'm poking around on my apache setup..

philw, no

that would be nice if pango would emerge, huh,

philw, im betting on a configuration error
but I'm not sure where

I guess i'll try anyways, thx

do you need ExecCGI permissions on the directory? Do you have them?

oh well it works now

I've left everything on the defaults minus the virtual host
philw, I'm not sure honestly

Hi all!

hello guys, I have a question in regards to my onboard SILSATA controller3112A controller and kernel configuration. Does anybody know which driver to select in the kernel config?
there is a couple options, I"m not sure which one mine falls under.

anyone know when baselayout-2 will go stable?
or just testing

check all options to test, and if it works you go eliminating, I think is the best you can do now

SATA_SIL

yeah, good point stormbyte. I was just wondering if anybody else in here had that same chip and already had an idea of which one to select.

right, mzbots thing is pretty useless thanks to "pango" failing to emerge…

abby, if you tail /usr/lib/apache2/logs/error_log is there anything there?

thanks

use the tab key

kerframil, what do you mean?

for nick completion in your IRC client

I'm just gonna destroy my setup and start fresh

the n ick completion feature

frick it :p

gotcha

abby, hold on

ultralisk, i'll just unmerge and reemerge

abby, its always something stupid and small

thanks!

abby, did you check the error_log file?

does ebuild utility does the same than emerge does?

ultralisk, alright
ultralisk, yeah you're right

I've seen that problem quite a few times. the solution I've recommend hither to is to unmerge pango and some of its dependencies then rebuild. that works, but I have what I think is a more concrete method (if you'd like to try it) …

ultralisk, one sec

emerge is a superset of ebuild. with ebuild you can perform some of the steps that emerge does when building packages.

eg. pango, gtk+ and insert app here
tried, failed, messed up more

some of?

ultralisk, nothing on PHP in there

well, would you like to try my prospective fix? I'm hoping it will work so that it can go in as another mzbot faq.

hey all.. how can i play audio cds w/ mplayer/audacious?

abby, hrmm frustrating.. this always seems to happen when i set up apache as well

can't do any more damage than what has already been done…

it won't do any damage. the worst that can happen is that it doesn't work.

that failed?

ultralisk, it's okay

abby, if you do "apache2 -t" does it say everything is ok?

ultralisk, i'll trash it and start with all the defaults
ultralisk, then go step by step from there
but for right now, im gonna grab some lunch

abby, alright good luck

i forgot, but at the moment it's emerging everything from world, skipping pango
hoping that 'l do SOMETHING. :p

ho hum

ultralisk, thanks for all your help

I'd take it as far as gtk+ then. all previous fixes have involved fixing the deptree up until that point.
here comes a 1-liner

BlackBishop, i'm not registered

k

grep -vxFf (emerge -qep system) (emerge -qep gtk+) | sed -rne '/^\[ebuild/{s/(^| )\[[^]]*\]( |$)//gp}' | xargs qatom | awk '{print $1"/"$2}' | xargs emerge -1
I'll briefly explain. it builds gtk+ but starts from the "lowest" dep and works its way up (but avoids rebuilding "system" which would be a waste of time).

ok
the emerge from mzbot just failed so..
econf
running.

try now

the logic is sound, the only problem I can forsee is that it may be necessary to unmerge some affected packages first (and my script doesn't do that yet).
I have to get back to work. please /msg me the outcome. if it doesn't work I will amend it as per above statement.
I know that will work, even if the current approach does not.

I need to get a count of the number of lines in a file, excluding blank lines … can anyone help me figure out how I can easily do that?

your feedback will be appreciated.

how do I kill a process?

hey guys
is there a real way to fix a ps2 mouse resolution?

ctrl-c

kill -9 PID

i mean, i have this cheap ps2 optical mouse and it's way too fast

sleek, man wc

StormByte, it doesn't die

still running (obviously) so that's a good sign. :p

npc, try the xorg.conf

if it does not die this way being root, proccess is really stucked, you may need to reboot

xfce4 settings have no effect whatsoever

what is the thing you want to kill?

npc, were you listening

yeah, I know to use wc for the line count, but what I'm trying to do is: cat file | something to eliminate empty | wc -l

it's when it gets to libXft/fontconfig that it becomes relevant. fingers crossed.

StormByte, sync

have a look on xset m

`Goatee: been there, done that, i've set Option "Resolution" to 64-1024 and it doest change a thing

(in this case, that is)

StormByte, but well I think I killed the bash where sync was being run and now it died…

then change the acceleration rate

how about toes? do i need to cross those too?

heh

so it is solved?

thanks guys

sleek, what's the problem then?

emerging xset

I think so. at least `ps aux w | grep sync` doesn't list it anymore

hey all ive recently emerged Amarok and now get this erro amaroK could not find any sound-engine plugins. amaroK is now updating the KDE configuration database. Please wait a couple of minutes, then restart amaroK.
Any ideas?

eliminating empty lines from the count.

grep -v ^$

so, I see packages.gentoo.org is back up… but I see no search function… what's the deal?

the affected code obviously needs to be rewritten. give them time.

you can always do eix, mate

did you emerge it with mp3 use flag?

the devs are on it, soon all will be back to normal

dont think so lol

besides, it's not packages.gentoo.org. only the mailing list archives have returned, it seems.

ok, I see

you'll be late at work

yep. gone.

i used the mp4 tag, just added mp3 and it doesnt show up on the build to use mp3

just a simple question, let's say I close my laptops lid when I leave it compiling something @ 100% cpu usage, it's no problem doing that? considering the heat etc ?
a little off topic, though gentoo does need a lot of compiling to do

as long as there's fans, I wouldn't worry too much
airflow is very important. rest the laptop on a hard surface and let the fans run

what's the difference between mount –bind thing and just making a symlink?

well it's an hp laptop, so the cooling should be great, just that the area around the touchpad geats kinda warm and with the display just next to it, just wondering if it's all ok

exyan, your laptop should be fine

you shouldnt do that. on a hp laptop the fan actually blow some of the air thru the keyboard. closed lid = less airflow

HP designers = tards

on the pavilion ones?

where do I fix a 'failed to set font' message from startup?

on most hp laptops ive used

m

CNU, http://aplawrence.com/Linux/mount_bind.html
CNU, google is your friend

is use.desc the _complete_ list of useflags? the wikipage about xorg and fonts says i should use "corefonts" and "freefonts" among lots of others, do these flags exist?

How do you press alt f1 to change shells in vmware?

try crl+alt+f1

Can some one tell me the easiest and safest and quickest way to move the entire contents of a drive before being formatted to another drive in some kind of compressed file like a tarball? Thanks!

a drive, dd, a file system, tar ?

do a search for a stage4

huh?

in tar mainatining permissions: tar -cvpj file.tar.bz2 * for example

a/win 26

dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/someotherdrive/backup.dd && tar -czf backup.tar.gz backup.dd

GentooDude, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Backup :-

heh
will that do it all in one shot?

yes but need paths on the second bit, got lazy
the && means the second command only runs if the first succeeeded

ok well im gonna mount my drives and ill tell you which is the source and destination

ultralisk, thank you very much

ant alt f1 does not work, ctl alt releases the mouse back to windows. any othes ideas

I can write to fat partitions with vfat right?

is the source for programs deleted after its emerged?

nope its in /usr/portage/distfiles/

you mean inside a VMWare machine?

and the files that would be in /usr/src in other distros, ghet put where?

Okay I got my directories now…. the source is /mnt/winc and the destination is /mnt/wind/laptop and I need a complete backup of winc in wind/laptop hmm

only thing under /usr/src/ would be linux. when emerging the source code gets unpacked to /tmp and compiled. once finished and installed its deleted from tmp.

Yeah, i am inside the vmware machine. booted inte a live cd and no matter what option i pick it boots into the gui. I am trying to plres alt fq to get to a a prompt
alt f1"

id like to do this to pidgin http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/MsimInstall but im not sure where i should be putting the files

Guys, will this work?
dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/wind/laptop/laptopbackup.dd && tar -czf laptopbackup.tar.gz laptopbackup.dd
to make a backup of /mnt/winc/* to /mnt/wind/laptop/backup.file

There's a kernel option, 'gentoo nox' or some such at the bootloader prompt. This should make the cd boot to a command prompt.

it could work, but it's entirely useless. and a waste of disk space. do you want a disk image, or a ZIP of the disk contents?

Ohh ok thanks, I was typing nogui

anyone ever done the MSIM plugin to pidgin?

Can I type gentoo dopcmcia nox

/mnt/wind/laptop/laptopbackup.dd.gz

think that will work?

no point making a tarball, it's only one file. and you can gzip on the fly.

ok, you get what im tryin to do right? basically take the whole contents of one drive and put it in anotherdrive/directory/backup.file right?

|

Well you're talking about an interface

not off hand

Damm_ what can I do?

It's a bit different than a classic chroot

Marvell's become quite popular, and sadly they have more quirks in their hardware then realtek

hm :/

file a bug on bugs.gentoo.org?

but, should I continue with the compilation of the kernel, then worry about it later?

phaedrusiszen, iwconfig wlan0 essid {put the real essid here} key {xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx} I think,

Damm_ so I can't update my gentoo?

yes you can, just don't emerge that package

I'm getting tired. It's after 1am here. I want to help more, if you can wait for me to wake back up tomorrow, just write me at my handle @gmail.com
We can go from there

my kernel compile failed during compiling sky2…

from your sk98lin patch's possibly?

Glad you're at the point you're at now though

neat, thanks a bunch for your help tonight Phae.

you can also try git-kernel if you can get on long enough

You're more than welcome

couldn't have done it without ya

:-)

and, you live USEAST?

Yup

When I do the emerge -Dnav world it try to build pango

Florida

hehe
Pennsylvania her
e

lol

Oh yeah, night owl

emerge -Dnavpv

linux is worth it, methinks

Where all night owl

it actually gives me the same result before and after i applied a patch

then make a list, and then emerge

Ok, 'night till we talk again

yep

but ill try this one you linked me to again

'night!

hrmph, I have been running 2.6.22-ck1 for about 3 weeks with 0 issue

Is there a way to emerge vmware workstation 6

revision 19 or **E8053
err 88

PyQt failed to emerge and I have no idea why…

yay, gcc is finally finished building

you sure?

ill try again

yes, except for glibc
that's building now

anyone know the package name for finch? (text based pidgin)

ohh, the old patch i used from marvell was, well, older, yours is newer for sure, hopefully this will work good
thx again

Damm_ is there a problem if I ask for help again?

how do I emerge pidgin anyway, it's masked with ~arch, which means it's unstable
hasn't been tested

ferret_0567 you could emerge by path

ok
I think I know what you mean

you cd into the /usr/portage path

/etc/portage/package.keywords

and then do emerge packagename.whatever

cool
I'll see about that

gluck

right now, glibc is building

guys Im updating my gentoo system but I have a problem with pango, can you help me? http://rafb.net/p/DzfXT324.html

you can always ask publicly…

with all my CFLAGS

we'll try and help our best

tnks man

is it with libexpat?
(cant really view the page..

kenji, have you got perl installed?

psykon I have perl

did you use –as-needed?
that's the best 'LDFLAG' of em all

kenji, seems like there's a problem with the ebuild then
have you checked bugs.gentoo.org?

um…not sure
do I check this with emerge –info ?

psykon Im on bugs.gentoo.org but I don't see something about my problem …

but noone knows how to install finch or what package it is in?

on average, is mozilla-firefox or mozilla-firefox-bin newer/more 'bleeding-edge'?

kenji, open a new bug then

it's inside the pidgin source

psykon:

google –as-needed

kk so emergeing pidgin will give me it?

it's well worth it

I think you just need to pass a flag to configure
not sure if emerging pidgin will give you finch automagically

it has the ncurse flag or w/e.. ill try it
just have to rebuild it after I get gui i guess.

mozilla-firefox is source, bin is the bin off of mozilla.org
patch's can be applied to source, optimizations, etc

I see something on a gentoo website

yeah, so the source means more patches and thus newer?

another thing.. why is the gentoo-wiki down?

or does it take for a newer release to appear as source while the bin is around quickly?

I think because it's associated with packages.gentoo.org. See http://gentoo.org for more info.

seems like there might be problems if you use –as-needed
see the /topic

anyone have any idea why the graphical installer would fail after the make.conf config screen? it just says "installed failed" and to view the log, but the log isnt created?

didnt see that
well atleast the allpowerful google is there to help us newbs

I need someone to help me with a PyQt problem I have,

guys Im updating my gentoo system but I have a problem with pango, can you help me? http://rafb.net/p/DzfXT324.html

lol GUI installer

I'm assuming, you're referring to the Gentoo Graphical instaler? If so, I might recommend taking a shot at installing with just the command line installer. From my experience, it's more stable (2006.1 that is).

the graphical installer is full of bugs

yep

hmm ok

more stable, a LOT more stable, from what I've heard

and actually works?

it's unlikely to leave your cat unscathed

JdGordon, Think of it experamental. Install via the handbook

ehh command line is easy, once you get used to it xD

lol, good one

I've never actually gotten the graphica to work for me. lol… the only reason I have gentoo installed today, is because of the command line installer. lol

about the 30th install.. takes 5 min.. xD

brandon, indeed, lol

lol

I will say.. I use gparted to place some partitons thought..

that's not so bad

Tools are tools, Use what works, I say

yeah
:P

most of the problems using –as-needed are gone
and if you upgrade expat 1 to expat2… you don't have to recompile a thing with it

Unless there's been some improvements to the command line installer, don't try formatting any partitions to anything windows based (fat, ntfs)… it'll just churn and churn and churn, and make no progress. That's what the 2006.1 did for me anyway. And preferably, only install stuff that requires no compiling, as compiling errors aren't always recovered from the best hosting during the installer. That's my experience anyway.

most = 95%
mostly only gnome apps have issues with –as-needed

that's good

and who uses gnome

so, where do I poke the people who came up with the vmware overlay?

I use it…

poor soul

PyQt failed. http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839 - If you notice at the top, it says sip doesn't exist but I just emerged that successfully.

GParted borked the partition tables on my drivve a few weeks ago. I used TestDisk, i believe it was to recover the partition data, and gain access to my drive again. I guess i tried telling it to do too many operations all at once, so it dumped on me

what a great domain :p

I think my perception of KDE has been marred by Ubuntu

what's your perception of KDE?

does KDE do weird things like replace /etc/X11/xorg.conf without you noticing in Gentoo?
^^ that

nope

/etc/ confs are protected under Gentoo

I rather doubt it does on Ubuntu, either…, unless you invite something to

and, anyway, you'd have to have root privileges to do that
I don't think I typed my password…

YO WHY CANT I SEE PROFILES WHEN I CLICK ON A NAME

yeah I broke my drive today (wipe it 100%) so I cant take my comp back anymore

….

it does in ubuntu if you mess with their restricted modules (like nvidia drivers).

inless I get a hp pavilion restore

YO WHY CANT I SEE PROFILES WHEN I CLICK ON A NAME.

ok, so I'm not just typing in my password when I shouldn't ?

KDE on Gentoo is quite sane and easy.

I like fluxbox personaly

ok, I'll take the time to compile it then

but honestly I don't run KDE, I run a really old window manager that's unsupported

DOH… So did you wipe the drive intentionally, or accidentally? I was resizing empty partitions. that's what killed me. And i had school work on it. lol. Thank god for Test Disk.

YO WHY CANT I SEE PROFILES WHEN I CLICK ON A NAME

never used kde on gentoo did on suse and ubuntu didnt like it
well I was following this guide.. kinda missed the part about brokenblocks(?) wipping your drive before it checks it..

KDE is Fine, but for the most part I just don't like Gnome, nor KDE

You'd be surprised howmuch more help, you'd get if you'd STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS.

i've never used KDE besides when I started using linux way back in the redhat 7.3 days

this isn't Yahoo! chat, that's why

pre slackware 1.0 here…

how much RAM dose a base KDE install use?

YO myspace an aol has pics

not much if you don't touch a peripheral :p

and only touched it for like 10 minutes… kde = windows for linux? (that was my impression of it back then)

why not here

cuz on ubunut/suse it was like 600mb

yahoo sux

gawd

brandon, depends what you want on it?

it has alll porn bots
i wanna meet a real girl

OLD yahoo chat was teh bomb

thats what chats about isnt it

tr00
aim chat rooms ftw

nah

no
aIM sux

it wouldn't include guys like him, would it?

You're clearly in the WRONG chat room.

freaking dial up LOL

aol i sayd
no im not on dial up

yep, he is

i mean back then

what?

yo dont hate on me cuz im sexy boy

no, your not

an ill steal ur gurlz

nah noone taking in capps.. they get ingnored..

PyQt failed to emerge properly. http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839

if i CAN only see there pics
wtf
how come profiles are not workin when i click on a name?

well, you won't get help with that in here

the only thing I remember about AOL waiting for the dial up service to log me in and then seeing the news about a 40 year old fat dude sending his size 50 underwear to a 14 year old girl
that was horrible

why i gotta leave

!ops

aol is not dial up anymore
hasnt been since 96

which he met on AOL chat room

are you referring to me or MR_SEXY?

?

MR_SEXY

yes it is, but they charge stupid broadband users for their cruddy content on top of highspeed service

jale you a chick

anyone know .. how long the wiki will be down … sorry idk what there doing to it.. or if there server hosting is down .. if anyone knows thanks alot ..

are you

are you a troll?
oh
yes

no

ha

im 6 foot 1
no troll here

….

lol
troll

It looks as if they are upping the security to patch for a discovered buffer overrun kind of exploit. So, when they're confident it's been re-secured. that's when. Heck if I know though. =(

you are braindead

richiefrich, use the cached google results

brb

i have been

install failed…. /mnt/gentoo/etc/conf.d/clock no such file or directory?

i have to figure out how to see profiles here

in irc?

yeah

there are no "profiles" on IRC.

why not
why isnt there
there should be
like myspace

Because of your mom, MR_SEXY

lol

lol cant findout how to actuly login on flich
:"S

your moms worried you might get abducted

is the 2007.0 install cd stuffed/bugged or something?

thats one way but thats not a profile /msg nickserv info MR_SEXY

myspace is cool

anyway thanks jale2ice and Dominicus__

if you don't have a Gentoo Linux related support question then please go elsewhere. this isn't IRC 101.

nope, why?

Unless you have an issue with Gentoo linux based hosting services Support, please join #gentoo-chat or another chat channel.

np richiefrich

someday there gonna have mypace and aol buddy lists on ur cell phone

where did you read that there uping the security ? the forums ?

hi

hello

n u can hit a screen name and it will dial that persons number from ur cell

yay…

instead of text messaging
i bet irc wont have that

final warning. this is a Gentoo Linux support channel.

they dont even have profiles yet
wtf

go away

can someone kick him..good

ty kerframil

lol thx

ty kerframil

That was kind of funny.

Recently there was an issue with a gentoo server or collection of sites of all gentoo material. it's on the front page of http://gentoo.org top most press release.

install failed…. "the error was: list index out of range" after it tries to start the emerge-kernel

Now, could someone please help me? http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839 - PyQt failed to emerge. If you notice at the top, it says sip doesn't exist. However, I successfully emerged it before attempting to emerge PyQt.
Now, could someone please help me? a href="http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839"http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839/a - PyQt failed to emerge. If you notice at the top, it says sip doesn't exist. However, I successfully emerged it before attempting to emerge PyQt.
Now, could someone please help me? a href="a href="http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839"http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839/a"http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839"http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5839/a/a - PyQt failed to emerge. If you notice at the top, it says sip doesn't exist. However, I successfully emerged it before attempting to emerge PyQt.

yeah nice of one of you guys to show up :p

Real quick, does anyone here use irssi, that can tell me the command to access the internal help system to irssi?

/help command

/help will list commands

suiside & BelialMkII… it sort of doesn't do anything at all, when i enter "/help". =(

Dominicus__, i normally use online documentation for it, if your stuck at a console you could use lynx or links

make sure you have the help pages in /usr/share/irssi/help/

K, thanks. Yes, i'm stuck recompiling everything on my system that demanded to be update from expat's upgrade. And yes, those help pages do exist, i've been browsing them, they just don't actually do anything. =(

how can i turn off the error output for all open programs to my xterms?
like Amarok errors spit out into my xterm
ive noticed this with other programs

amarok 2/dev/null

ok, but if there a setting on my gentoo box to change this for all programs?
I've never seen this on any other distro and have sued about 15 different distros over the past 10 years

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