find case insensitive ?

very very little

by providing a case insensitive predicate
ok..

how do i do that?

mapyourkey, yourvalue, predicate

when predicate is a member function (if inside a class?)

i dont wanna build castle, i just want at least that if someone open my binary with any editor, at least wont see my constant strings as a plane text
*plain text

volt3r, use a mask

ah strings

volt3r, encode your strings… use a function to decode using the mask

yes
is there a "not" keyword in C++?

Like !?

!

is "not" the same as ! ?

I wouldn't call it a keyword.

operator?

or ~ for bitmasks

no I mean
in vim, "not" is highlighted as keyword

pippijn, well, geordi translates it to "!"

so I am wondering..

geordi, { int not; }

expected unqualified-id before '!' token

hmm
wow
not is really a keyword

Its like and and or i guess, they are keywords for most compilers but its probably bets not to use them if you want to compile on everything

I don't see why they were made keywords
! && and || are less to write

to make it easier for people to start to learn, since || and ! don't really represent their meaning?

hrm

sounds like a vague reason to put em in there

it's so you can write C++ even if your charset has no | or even &

funny

you can write C too without | or &
but there you need to #include iso646.h
or you can use trigraphs
but in C "not" is a macro, in C++ it is a keyword.

which means that "not" cannot be a function

no

not is easier to read.

geordi-c: #undef not

"not" cannot be used as a macro name as it is an operator in C++

'not' is a keyword in C++ ?

http://cs.smu.ca/~porter/csc/ref/cpp_keywords.html suggests so

geordi sizeof(size_t)

4

geordi sizeof(long)

4

geordi sizeof(long unsigned)

4

hrm
what is size_t?

unsigned integer type which is a result of sizeof operator.

geordi, TYPE_DESC(size_t)

unsigned integer

ah
okay

geordi TYPE_DESC(unsigned int)

unsigned integer

geordi TYPE_DESC(unsigned long)

long unsigned integer

what's TYPE_DESC?

it's a hack

okay … problem: i got a function a, multiple instances of a class b, and a function c in class b calls a … is there some way for a to determine what instance called?

echo show an example

class b; class a { b * b1; b * b2; a() { b1 = new b; b2 = new b; } ; void b() { /
ups
class b; class a { b * b1; b * b2; a() { b1 = new b; b2 = new b; } } a ai; void b() { /*..*/ } } ; class b { b() { a.b(); } }

echo, make a real testcase and you will se for yourself, that won't compile

i do not want to write perfectly done code for this … i hdont have time fior that

Why don't you write b* b1; instead of b * b1? All C++ guru's do this; it's a commonly accepted style to write the '*' (ans '&') against the type that it is part of in C++.
s/ans/and/

thats not what this is all about

I write b *b1;
but then again, Im not a guru

i seriously dont care about style in that quickly hacked patch of code

I write b *b1 too and I am not a guru either
so if you're a guru you have to write in the guru-style b* b1
fun
I'll probably never be a guru then

you arent meant to be

It's choice people sooner or later make because it makes a lot more sense and is better readable.

char* c1, c2, c3;
problem?
what is c2?
:-)

Another rule is to never ever declare more than one variable per line.

haha
ok Run have fun being a guru

who gives a shit about being a guru. just make sure the code works

do most people put templates (generics) on utility.h or on utility.cpp ? and have a main.cpp?

huh

!template
!templates

The compiler generates code not for templates but for their instantiations. Unless you know beforehand precisely with which arguments the template will be instantiated, this precludes separate compilation, in which case your only option is to place all the code belonging to a template in its
header, so that instantiations of it are compiled along with the translation units that spawn them.

in other words: in utility.h

"b * a" reads like b times a, and "*a" can easily be confused with operator*. The '*' is part of the type (except with more-than-one variable per line in a pointer declaration; which you simply shouldn't do what that reason). Qualifiers also work right-to-left (B* means: a Pointer to B), so in
line of operator* it also makes sense to put them against the right side of the type they work on.

yes, i see what bot is saying

http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=38475 why a.doo() works?

s/do what/do for/

yes, I understand
but I am no guru yet.. I might make that decision later but right now I prefer b *b1

I've been coding in C for 15 years (using the TYPE *var, var2; style - as is commonly accepted in C) before I started to code in C++, so you can imagine that I was VERY VERY used to that style.

right

After coding a few years in C++ I switched to type* var instead - and after only 1 week I already liked it more, and after three weeks I didn't understand how I could EVER have done the other style.

the same arguments apply to C

That convinced me most

in C, there is a builtin operator* too
and there is the * token for multiplication

If this new style can feel Right after only one week, it must be really better. The reverse is definitely not true.

classes functions in c++ do not need prototype as it is needed for c89?

new char[0] is defined and returns a unique pointer which can be deleted, yes? unlike C's malloc(0) which is implementation defined AFAIK

what exactly would a class function prototype look like?

What are classes functions?

don't know.

so what the heck are you talking about?

well, class methods

you mean class member functions

And what is a prototype?
I only know declarations and definitions, sorry :/

a prototype is a function declaration

Metabol prototype == function declaration (always?)

yes, class member-functions. do they need prototype in order for main.cpp to use it?

~draft

hello folks. got a problem, again: the line "for (int xs = 0; xs width; xs += TILESIZE)" causes a compiler error: expected primary expression before "=" token. huh? Whatever a primary expression is, I bet "int xs" is one, isnt it?

Firk, no, not always, because prototype is a vague term, at least in C++.

Well, a class itself is a declaration, and every method needs to be specified in that. So, I'd think that you need to declare each class member function.

you give the prototypes in the body of the class
ok thanks

!draft
hmph

The word 'prototype' comes from C imho, where you can declare a function name (without it's parameters). This is not possible in C++ however.

or well, you declare them there or even define! But function definition is also the declaration.

you are compiling in c++ mode? and what is TILESIZE defined as?

int main(); // C declaration.
Maybe not a good example…
int foo(); // C declaration.

better

int foo(int a, float b); // C prototype.
Both are mangled (in assembly) as 'foo'

hi folks
is anybody familiar with the IRC Protocol?

a little.
The RFCs document a lot.

lol thanks for asking what TILESIZE is defined as. I still make the "#define THIS = VALUE" error

http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=38475 why a.doo() works in the 2nd call?
a href="http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=38475"http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=38475/a why a.doo() works in the 2nd call?

i've read RFC 1459

IT may be worth reading the updated RFCs

zumo, don't use #define for such things

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/irc/P10.html
a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/irc/P10.html"http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/irc/P10.html/a

i try to create a little services server for unrealircd. just nickserv with a few functions, but i'm not able to connect properly

I don't think unrealircd is based on ircu, is it?

Gliptic, okay, but why not?

zumo, because #defines are stupid and evil
you got an example of why with that error

Gliptic, sounds reasonable

http://rafb.net/p/4dBBuu92.html - this is my code Stryyker. but it doesn't seem to even attempt tp connect

I've only ever messed with client code.

Gliptic, so I should use a global constant instead?

its not much of a difference

zumo, not necessarily global

instead of the USER command you send the tomcat server hosting command to reigster

Fish-Guts, that looks like a bunch of C

yes it looks ugly

my bad, i never used sockets in C++. that's why im doing this project… to get startet in C++

what was the benefit of using intrusive_ptr again over shared_ptr?

deadchip, size, performance

hrm
i think there was something particular
but i can't make it out just from the documentation

Gliptic, I need that value in at least two classes (afaik). I thought this would save me 8 bytes for declaring two constant integers. But I'll take your advice, thanks.

zumo, that's stupid thinking

TimeXYZ.h TimeAA.cpp and Main.cpp?

even if you did save 8 bites, what does it matter?
*bytes

it's "I grew up with a Sinclair ZX81 with 16K Ram" thinking

cause in java the file name needs to match the class name

and apparently with moronic compilers as well
yellow_chicken, names are irrelevant

Fish-Guts: On unet, SERVER has 8 or more parameters.
You only sent 3… seems a bit too little.

and you can have as many classes as oyu want in one file - yay!

RFC 1459 says it's required to send servername, hop count and description

geordi { int x = 0, y; y = x+++++x; }

expected primary-expression before '{' token

Fish-Guts: Try an updated RFC

i grew up with a ZX81 with 1KB of RAM, and i loathed it

— RFC 1459

so now that i have 1GiB of RAM, i'm wasting it!
/jk

heh

(well except the zx81 part)

can we have a templatized constructor?

geordi int main(){ int x = 0, y; y = x+++++x; std

the hunmonk core patch curse

http://drupal.org/files/issues/views_bulk_operations.png this is awesomeness

lol he's got stuff into core before.

"I was looking at X, Y, and Z…. I noticed that X has a long issue queue, but it has some functionality I need… Y is kinda nice, but I'll have to write some extra code to get it to do what I want, and Z hasn't been around that long. Does anyone have any recommendations for which calendar module to use for a (does something) site.."

hunmonk == no patches for core until Drupal 8

dmitrig01, it works too if you're adventuresome

cool

Yes, but the patch is written. Might only need someone to take time to re-roll it.

you the author
?

Or it could even be RTBC!

the drupal.org site offers no wa for ppl to submit modules with screenshots? or user reviews?

dmitrig01, comaintainer

You too can unlock the mysteries!

ah
are state and author exposed filters/
?

support?

screen shots yes. no user reviews

support is #drupal is reserved for development discussions (please see channel topic). Volunteers offering live support can be found in #drupal-support. If no one is available in #drupal-support, try the forums at http://drupal.org/forum). Thank you for giving us a space to work on improving Drupal for you!

dmitrig01, yes, normal views stuff

that is awesome
we will kick/ban you if you stay here

That would be useful for making editor panels

and don't ask there
yes

Well, that's a bit strong.

what?

http://penny.demobox.net:8080/drupal_vops/_bulk_operations (drupaldev / druplicon)

why will we kick ban?

(by panels I mean CP
CP's

the_giver, go to support, i will answer your last question there

c-h-x would

lol

so

However, in general, it's looked upon favourably if one makes effort to show that one values other peoples' time as much as one's own. That means doing research first before asking well-informed questions, and not being impatient.

smart questions?

oh that should be a trigger. ;P

did he ask more then once?

Druplicon, smart questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Okay.

smart questions?

smart questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

dmitrig01 you are an ass.. but w/e

to go from one question to kick ban threat…. even chx doesn't do that. generally 2-3 warnings

Hmm, actually, I've found dmitrig01 is rarely an ass…

Ok, so name calling for example? Not likely to win points.

see and now people are reacting to threats. sigh

But there was a recent experience with an ubertroll….
heh

ah

A simple, "Oops. You're right. I should've read the topic more carefully. Sorry!" would be fine.
bA simple, "Oops. You're right. I should've read the topic more carefully. Sorry!" would be fine./b
The problem comes in when there's a sense of entitlement coupled with an argumentative attitude.
Now .. why on EARTH would someone think it was a good idea to use negative values as IDs? Sigh.
bNow .. why on EARTH would someone think it was a good idea to use negative values as IDs? Sigh./b

where did you see that?

This data I'm munging for a client.

it's part of the make webchick's coding experience more interesting

Apparently!
Is interesting a euphamism for frustrating these days?

30 spam posts removed

woohoo!

"The problem comes in when there's a sense of entitlement coupled with an argumentative attitude." Amen to that sister …

I have another user
I ill point out that having the power means that nice warning is an easy option as after nice warning you can still whack the access

webchick, you have to see one client i had. she used AOL and only visiting her site by going to Google and then typing HER SITE'S DOMAIN NAME in Google

lol
I've seen that.

she had the site developed 2 years ago
never launched

well she couldn't find it in Google, could she?

came to me for putting that SSL banner (Verisign verified or whatever)
then again never launched

nice to have money

heh

the 2 years ago was by someone else, whom i happen to know (Toronto)
they were very helpful and even offered me svn access
integration with subscription management service from some company
she would come and say "this is urgent and needs to be done" then disappear for 2 weeks
then come back and be naggy again
only to disappear again
….etc.
but she paid in the end
only to not launch the site!

……

161841

1 IRC mention

lol

So webchick, -1 in the user id is, well, interesting

the theme looks nice

We might actually have to end up doing that.

yea it does

Because of that whole MySQL 4.1 problem.
creating user 2 initially.

"only visiting her site by going to Google and then typing HER SITE'S online domain registration NAME in Google" that btings up page ranking, right?

she does not know what ranking is
she just wants to get to her site
and does not know that she can type a url in the browser
but yet again, this is AOL she is using

although zoon_unit is back with his usual commentary in there

so, who knows what the interface looks like

It occurs to me that spending 15 minutes and showing her could alleviate a lot of stress on your end.
can I do something Crrraaaayyyzzzzyyy like:

heh

yes, you can
that is entirely doable
:-)

insert into db1.table (field1) select field2 from db2.table2 WHERE db1.table1.field1 LIKE db2.table2.field2

Most likely

Or do I have to pull the results into an array and do it with PHP like a lame-o

if your q is whether you can span databases, then in theory yes

I'm trying and it's not working but I'm trying to figure out if it's because I simply can't do this or whether I just made a dumb mistake somewhere
I should probably go ask in #mysql

i know in other databases, this is possible

Yes, I know this as well.

What's with the where clause?

Well.

you could work around it if the data is big

There's this unique ID.

sorry NOT big

from this external system.

export the table
and import into the drupal db

I want to populate a CCK field to store this unique ID where the names of these things match in both.

and then do what you want

it's about 70,000 records.

ah, so it is not a one time thing?

So not too tiny.

update (table1, table2) SET table1.something = table2.somethingelse WHERE table1.anotherthing = table2.yetanotherthing;…..

oh crap. it's totally an update statement. hahahaha.

err

I see Dries blogged about the guy who doesn't call back

I mean, update table1, table2…
Ignore the parens

right. they're in separate DBs though.
Maybe I should just throw them in the same DB.
It's just that this is going to have to suck in all these records twice a day and I figured it best to siphon that off somewhere else.
So I could do that while Drupal happily served pages until I was ready to import specific things.

you could always write an xml rpc server

lol I could.

hi

pastebin?

Pastebin.com is back! Please don't paste code directly into IRC. Please use http://drupal.pastebin.co.uk/, http://www.pastebin.ca/ or http://pastebin.com

holy crap, that might've worked!

seen chx

chx was last seen in #nowpublic 4 hours 23 min ago saying 'good nigh folks'.

webchick, see this http://drupal.pastebin.com/m9beee3a
works on php mysql web hosting 5.0 at least
(query is meaningless of course)

seen eaton

node_get_types('names') will get you keyed by type with names as values'.

webchick, works fine, even aliasing the tables/dbs http://drupal.pastebin.com/m2318449f

Yep, I noticed.
Waiting the requisite 50 minutes for my update query to finish.
I think I froze MySQL. *lol*

run full processlist
and see what is it doing

Well. It was easier just to reboot mysql… I'm only working off localhost.

wow. KarenS worte way more then I expected for the CCK stuff

where
?

I'll have to make it accessable in a short bit. brb
http://scratch.blkmtn.org/files/cck.html

cool

although I may have to replace the forms with screen shots

good idea!

cck is such an important part of drupal

so
is anyone actually reviewing JS code these days?
ahah.js contains a bunch of unnecessary eval() calls

how so?

eval('progress_element.'+ this.showEffect +'()');
=
progress_element[this.showEffect]();
this is JS 101
well they're not totally equivalent, since the latter form isn't exploitable

yeah the latter looks much better to me
sorry i didn't know something like that would work

well i'm rewriting the code anyway
it's horribly inefficient

great

and unreadable to boot

yeah the eval calls made it hard to edit i admit

and that whole this.showEffect/hideEffect determination loop thing
you can optimize it with a hash table lookup to be much more compact
why the heck is that code changing the float property on buttons by the way?
and more important
why the hell isn't there a single shred of code comments about that?

Hello folks. I know the post-install / howto questions go to the #-support channel , but , in the absence of an answer there, could someone here be willing to help me please ?

support and?

If someone doesn't answer in #drupal-support it doesn't mean you have license to be off topic in #drupal. Your next avenue for support is the Drupal forums (http://drupal.org/forum). Please respect the channel topic.

no one answered the question in the forum either

too bad

it's a simple stupid question

which is most likely why nobody answered it

is there anything i can offer you in return to just looking at my question ?
I'd like to hang around here, if you don't mind, to learn from what i read here.
i am also a software engineer.

audting is fine
as long as topic is respected

i respect the purpose of the channel,
but if i may , it should've been called drupal-dev or drupal-development not just " drupal "

err no
development is what Drupal is about

don;t go there

you'll probably also want to look at http://drupal.org/node/157752

Drupal, forms system, normal, patch (code needs work), 3 IRC mentions

if the code is of the same quality, then no

sigh, fine

ouch… burn

so
where is the documentation for #ahah_effect and such

http://drupal.org/node/154398

Drupal, forms system, normal, closed, 3 IRC mentions

why isn't it in the doxygen for form_expand_ahah()?

http://drupal.org/files/issues/forms_api_reference.html
but i don't think that made it into the docs in cvs yet
and they'd change a bit if the second part were polished up
since it'd let you apply the #ahah properties to most form elements

http://drupal.org/node/159713

Documentation, Misc, normal, active, 1 IRC mention

you should look at the handbook page

pm?

and it's a php services page so I had to move it

litwol, ok
sepeck, ah cool - thanks

I just couldn't find hte issue

good thing i bothered ya then

Icky.

awww, you have my sympathy
heya. How's life?

Very busy. O_o
I have some patch work to do tonight, but first priority is finding good flights for Drupalcon.
uI have some patch work to do tonight, but first priority is finding good flights for Drupalcon. /u

Oh well, I should be able to make the next one.
You'd all better take lots of pics and such for me!

hehe.
I still need to figure out a hotel, too.
I know someone in Barcelona, but I haven't talked to her in months and I don't know if she'd be willing to house me. Baring that, hotel.
bI know someone in Barcelona, but I haven't talked to her in months and I don't know if she'd be willing to house me. Baring that, hotel./b

seen dww/
seen dww?

dww was last seen in #drupal-dev 20 hours 31 min ago saying 'bedtime, 'night folks.'.

Hm. 10 hour layouver in London. Let's not and say I didn't… O_o
-u

ping

seen *starbow*?

It's involved, I will ask later.'.

pwolanin, pongish

seen *tao*?

Sorry, I haven't seen %tao%.

I'm looking for a couple more "quality" reviews (as defined by Dries) to hopefully get the book patch in
any chance you could provide such?

pwolanin, i may be able to tomorrow
i'm heading to bed now

tomorrow would be great
thanks in advance.

np

and let me know if I can reciprocate

Does anyone know if there will be a Sunday hack fest at Drupalcon this year again?

it's four days.. so maybe not a fifth.
but yes it'd be great. post to drupalcon site plz.

lol
I'm debating if I need to book a flight that lets me stay around on Sunday.

goodnight, chx

holaaaa

How goes?

Not bad, getting a client site ready for tomorrow, putting the finishing touches on a module for D6.

Spiffy.

Working with XML is just a *different world* when you cn say, screw it, PHP5.
Working with http://www.oxxus.net/java-hosting.htm">XML is just a *different world* when you cn say, screw it, PHP5.

hehehe.

I need to start speccing up on php5 more

Vote up the Drupalcon talk chx and I want to give! All about PHP 5.
bVote up the Drupalcon talk chx and I want to give! All about PHP 5. /b
What's another reliable international airline besides United and American?

Crell, most american airlines are fairly reliable
Delta's generally fine, Southwestern, whatever, as long as it's a major one

Yes, but how many fly to Europe? No one seems to fly direct from Chicago to Barcelona, which is odd.
uYes, but how many fly to Europe? No one seems to fly direct from Chicago to Barcelona, which is odd./u
United is offline on their own site.

really? I'd expect a layover in England or France if I were going to Barcelona

Yeah, most are.

course… that is spain… it's technically closer…

What's odd are the layovers in Milan…
hehe. What are you doing?
….Delta has their layovers in Atlanta.

noone does
(I was unable to fall back asleep )

$2000 round trip on Delta. Let's not and say I didn't…
Aw.

haha
my lesson's on views theming

Oh, nice.

the cheapest way to cross the Atlantic is flyzoom.com

I need to send my coworkers to that.

well I'm focussing largely on table theming as almost no one does that

Hm, looks like they don't touch spain.

I've got that portion of my lesson plans done already, so I'm setting up some fun node stuff

I wish I were going to be there, but I may be in Indiana, or else asleep.

true. but flights inside Europe is almost free.

They also don't have a terminus in Chicago. I am so not up for 2 layovers.

Crell check round trip originating in Chicago and see if that's cheaper than going the other way
then you can just buy a one way back or whatever

On delta you mean?

on anyone
my inlaws live in Indonesia, and it's like… 3000 bucks to get from there to here

Ouch.

but it's like.. 1300 to get from here to there

Weird.

even if I had to pay that twice it'd be cheaper than the originating ticket in Indo

seen eaton

eaton was last seen in #drupal 10 min 48 sec ago saying 'Working with XML is just a *different world* when you cn say, screw it, PHP5. '.

ping eaton

Best I've found so far is American. $708 round trip through their site, after hidden fees and extortion.
Routing through Brussels going, and London on the way back.
O_o

the inlaws are Korean, but they live in Indo, so where we meet changes from one trip to the next depending

ahhh…
Well, I'm going to give United a little time to fix their web site. I'll BBIAB.

gl
seen merlinofchaos

merlinofchaos was last seen in #drupal-dev 5 hours 10 min ago saying 'heh'.

i'm getting to barcelona for 590 from chicago.

ah you going to that action? nice! I want to, but have some other trips in Sept. so may not make it.

Really??? How?
bah

sheep
bark
so, not word association time?

bagle!

donut!

coffee cake!

wow, I am more glad then ever that I never tried Joomla

Whyzat?

I am reading their docs for the first time ever
I really like drupal admin concpet much better

hehe.
I was scared away by all the glitz. It looked very pretty, but also very one-trick-pony.

well, I have enough of the new structure of my docs down that I can go look and maybe steal stuff

I tried Joomla, and lived to tell a tale.

http://scratch.blkmtn.org/install-and-config — future of Drupal install and configuration docs
well, core docs

it's actually not that bad nor is it really a one trick pony

I should really upgrade my server to Feisty, then move my server-side development over there.

it rocks, it rolls, it serves pages and has lots of magic pixie dust
there's just nothing truly cutting edge about it.

Running Zend Studio and Apache and Firefox while testing Drupal all on the same desktop is kinda not fast.

bah, nothing copious amounts of RAM won't fix

Plus KMail, which is non-small in memory usage.
Excuse me, the full Kontact.
I've got lots of swap left, but my 1.5 GB of RAM is nearly full.

rconstantine?
seen rconstantine

Sorry, I haven't seen rconstantine.

I'm using nf_registration_mod. Anyone know how to auto-assign roles?

can any one give me a link about " the tutorials type of movies on Drupal" thnks in advance i am a new comer to Drupal

drupal dojo is what you want I think

rais, www.drupaldojo.com ?

good noon all
I was wondering, what is the best way to get the newest nid after having done a node_save() to create a new node?
selecting it manually from the sequences table?
or is there a better practice?

node_save is called by reference
so $node-nid will be your nid.

ah lovely
thanks

hello
i want to modify a node title in a module
(I mean, to modify the node itself, in the database)

1. node_load(), 2. change title, 3. node_save()

ty

upgrade?

Upgrade help can be found at http://drupal.org/upgrade/tutorial-introduction

can I delete an album in acidfree? I can't find the option on any menu
crap
sorry

how to place imgaes(icons) in the navigation
i mean in the menu items

check http://morten.dk/blog/mortendk/iconyfi-alpha-pixels-dot-03

stuff?

or is all menu's lists in drupal+

you want to learn bout theming.

i'm actually themeing it now
but I'm having big problems solving it this way
if it had been divs i could just add another empty div at the end
this won't work with the lu-attirbute because it is ended by drupal
lu's have a nasty tendency to use all the horizontal space possible it seems to me

you can make the lis divs by theming the proper function

i'm not sure what you mean by that
you have a link for me?

thanks

come to your own conclusions, but I've come to mine.
yeah go figure, eh
i'm not completely stupid

i did reinstall to libpam and runtime/modules, so i guess i have everything set up correctly from that end

penis envy from mozilla?

bur ff is fine, now thats odd

i also dpkg –purge'd kdm and reinstalle that also, same behaviour is with xdm and gdm also

they clearly hate Debian

so basically to log gets my username correct but cannot find uid and says unknown user

what is the website not allowing you?

http://www.infosyssec.net/
^

thanks Ronin

and .com and .org

the one sarixe pasted, www.infosyssec.com

hello all… has anyone installed etch on a Dell Poweredge 1950 successfully?

where do i change the UA?
nevermind
got it

i'm using a plugin called User Agent Switcher

o
nice

half tempted to email them and ask why

just spam their logs with nasty UA messages!

6] «Zapaty» hda : dma_intr : status=0×51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error
1] «Zapaty» hda : dma_intr : error=0×40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=5938735,
any ideas ?
on fsck

I am not a webmaster guru, can you see on the source any particular restrictive code or function, that iceweasel might use or not having on its use?

-s

like say… meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"

going through raid hell still.. can i turn off raid mode in bios, install on one of the four hard drives with the other three blank and down the line after i get everything humming try to fire up raid0?
… with software raid?

first line on the source is that

yes, but something in that line might restrict the usage of certain browsers?

not so far

a website that is not able to be displayed by "any" browser, is a crap one

there is no difference between Iceweasel and Firefox apart from the name and some minor default options/patches

it is basically the same minus the trademarked logos

the restriction is purely server-side and useless
there is no good reason to do it :/

eh some websites are killing my firefox upright… some codes behave like bomb traps

then those are bugs that should be fixed
but i'm more likely to blame flash there

and not only, the website might be ok, but articles contributed to them might contain html bombs and webmaster not even know it
Debaday website hosted such an article (was about gimp) that was nuking my browser everytime I tried to access the website

pax cannot access files 2gb' god fucking damnit does nothing not suck?

there's medication for that

cyanide?

ls- al

don't be so melodramatic.

ops

i suppose i could be proped up on prozac. but i'd rather someone just make a not broken archiving tool
bi suppose i could be proped up on prozac. but i'd rather someone just make a not broken archiving tool/b

and certainly not a problem so enormous that it would require such an outburst

you know pax users?

every single one of them, intimately

* adv4cate doesn't know anyone else who has a problem managing archives larger than 2 gb. - was that refering to pax users?

hello folks,
I have a question, we are using automount (aka autofs) and while it auto mounts or floppy disks after a hot-removal of the floppy disk we are able to see the files still in /ah (dir linked to /mnt/floppy) It seems like the files/folder names remain cached in the FS for a quick

how do i connect an ipod and see its database?

!ipod

[ipod] a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux.

thanks

hmm, they have databases? nfi if gtkpod/amarok [ i think amarok might do ipods too ] support much more than moving music on/off em

yes, they do
but
they're not recognizing the presence of an ipod
what's happening is that it's connecting
and it's showing up in gnome as a USB storage device
and i can see all the raw files
and i can't get amarok or gtkpod to actually connect

hi guys, i have a .deb package and i'm wondering on how to install it

dpkg -i package file name
eh…
yeah

dpkg -r package file name

hahaha

I need to lose weight, thanks dpkg

i'm trying to get gtk-gnutella installed but i'm having trouble

whoever maintains dpkg (the irc bot) is a genius.

anyone know anything about getting a barcode scanner working on debian? What languages could you use to integrate one?

ok, how about this - how come i can't find gtk-gnutella in Synaptic?

sup all

frostwire

Hi, how can i remotely see which webserver and os a website use?

ket-warrior: most of them are keyboard wedges

man nmap helps sometimes

or they implement HID

frostwire, ok

other times the webserver might tell you

im getting the debian netinstall 4.0r1 and am just going to to do a base install…..i want to be able to configure that box remotely with a web-admin app…i think read there is ipcop or webmin that i might grab…if i grab those packages will there be anything else that i need to get to make em work

netcraft?

whats a keyboard wedge?

I thought it was somethings with curl, but i not find some info about it in the docs. I gona look with nmap

sarixe, can't find that either

hm

sometimes the error pages list the webserver, i've noticed

im getting putty also for this windows box….does the netinstall base install include ssh

hi, is there a problem if I want to install windows after installing windows?

other than windows will overwrite your bootloader .. no

sorry
hi, is there a problem if I want to install windows after installing debian-linux

anyone here know anything about remote consoles ?

other than windows will overwrite your bootloader .. no

echo…

Tell me how i can get that webserver crashed :-p

also where that debian kernel image that installs debian ?
called like netboot or netinstall or something

how can i kill all application use by a user logged in my system&?

slay

anyone

nmap seems good for this too, nice!

debian.org, its linked from the front page

I suppose you answered me? what does it mean it will overwrite my bootloader? I have partitioned the harddisk already and would like to install windows to (/dev/sda9) .. will windows kil the boot-block, or anything like that, that will nmake booting debian impossible (kill grub)? (sry might be dumb question but I am a nooby in that case)

pkill -u

and there's a Serial Console howto somewhere
windows will overwrite your bootloader .. you'll need a rescue disk of some sort to get back into linux to fix that

tldp.org

is there a good program for adding comments to pdfs like acrobat can?

yea i should have checked for that in the beginning i was looking for a netboot where it will install over a network not a network install CD but yea its there as well, thanks

lindenle acrobat exists for linux, but it is probably a hassle

now anyone else here ever use a remote console ?

bootiong a live-cd, chroot to my debian-installation, and reinstall grub, would this be enough? I suppose windows will NOT destroy the existing partition table, will it?

I meant full acrobat not the reader

okay, I misinterpreted your question

basically I have a pdf someone added comments to and i want to be able to see them but it only works in acrobat

roughly .. yes

How do I configure Debian 4.0 to make a nic to come up "ifconfig eth0 up" but not bind any protocol to it?

see the Serial Console HOWTO

I tried editing PDF some time ago, but was unsuccessful. I had to pirate a windows program and run it in a VM. It's called Proprietary Document Format for a reason

yep i know…sucks that it is so widely used

agree

i'm using links2-g as web browser, and i can easily see/ask for http header info, ContentType, codepage etc is shown, as well as Server type
i'm sure lynx, w3m, wget, curl, etc, etc can also easily get the info

yay, found frostwire, just need the JRE now

I would be happier if adobe had a full acrobat for secure linux web hosting at least, they just don't take my emails seriously

!tell Drevay about install java

anyone about remote consoles

would be better to write a free tool me feels

i already told you

you did ?
i need a ethernet/network remote console

can anyone help me?I want to compile mplayer from svn with alsa and xv supoort.I downloaded xv and alsa dev packages.I want to ask only one question.Do i have to pass a command to activate alsa and xv while compiling?

Use ./configure –help
That will list you options

i'm trying to install the JRE but it keeps saying permission denied, even after i'm already in super user mode

why would it be that in windows I don't get "save password" option when mapping a network drive to my debian samba but I do to my old FC3 box?

thank you

No welcome

whats the recommended filesystem to the partition /home ?

ext3

no way. ext2

and why would that be?

because it has a 2

–enable-xv enable Xv video output [autodetect] i think it will be autodetected

gnome SUCKS

Ah, well xjkx, listen to him

why is it installed by default?

because they had to pick one?

i'm gonna get rid of it.

because apparently someone else thinks KDE sucks

and nothings stopping you from removing it

LoL

the screen saver doesn't even work. i had to install xscreensaver.

xfs with redundant battery backups

works for me

anyting

so you want kvm over ethernet?

is anyone familiar with super_grub_disk ?

ask #elive

Is there any way to connect to a wireless network without having the normal network connection stop working?
If I just do 'dhclient wlan0

why ask elive, when it isnt elive specific? I am trying to restore grub.

If I just do 'dhclient wlan0', my internet connection won't work again until I unload the kernel module for the wireless card (iwl4965).

KVM ?
sorry
sint that a virtulization thing ?

then ask #grub

yea

kvm is a kind of monitormousekb switch

I'm having a *really* strange problem.

damn slash that never works

I'm in Firefox, and I'm looking at Digg, and the line that says "Sick of your office" shows with the c underneath the i.

FF rendered something incorrectly?!

Yeah, I've never seen it do that in particular.

does zip store any file metadata such as owner or creation times..etc?

And on the article page too, it does that.

are you serious?

It's just a very odd mistake. It misaligned text horizontally by an entire character within a line.
It basically looks as if someone typed "Offi^Hce" on a terminal without backspace.

does epiphany do it ?

Lemme check.
No.

checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works… no
error: installation or configuration problem: C compile host cannot create executables.
whats the problem?
i have gcc installed

!b-e psyche_

Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.

Should I try Seamonkey (the Mozilla suite)?

How can I tell dhclient to append nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf instead of replacing the old ones?

dunno .. i use epiphany a lot more than either iceape or iceweasel

Hmm, Mozilla does it too.

!

?

Is there any good desktop calendaring program for Debian other than Evolution?

%

you using epiphany, mildly surprised me, that's all ;p

anyone here use lilo ?

@

well .. you mean besides using opera ?

!anyone use

!tell linuxtk10 about poll

No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.

yeh

i use them both

ttuttle, maybe install a groupware suite on your pc. or use googlemail/calender/web2.0 stuff

ok

i use iceweasel primarily since epiphany isn't configurable enough for my taste
plus since i develop, firebug and web developer are really nice

how can i mmake lilo boot a certain kernel just once then on the next boot a different kernel ?

even using about:config or gconf-editor :/

grub-set-default

eh, sometimes a list of choices is nice
he said lilo

man lilo
and i *know* it's in there

that's hat i meant, even using those sometimes youdon't get access

like spaghetti sauce

what

i know but the stuff i configure most of the time is
i only need to use about:config when doing really weird things

SerajewelKS:
yeh
but i'm weird

"libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" ?

hey to each his own

What is it that determines which network interface to use when there are several of them available?

i wrote my own web browser in C# for wikipedia…

SerajewelKS:

you're a dwarf .. not an elf

whoah, neat

using gecko of course, but still… iceweasel wasn't good enough

:-)

http://sirajul.tx0.org/wikibench-rc.png

Could anyone recommend an outsource dns company, that i could use, so quickly update low ttl records, to failover between my two servers?

larsl; default route, afaik

that's what i thought about epiphany .. but there are a large nubmer of add-ons that make it almost as usable as opera

the only thing i like about epiphany is the startup time

Where is that set?

some daemons can be configured to listen only on certain interfaces

but now that i'm on amd64 there isn't much difference

a combination of /etc/network and information retrieved from dhcp (if applicable)

wow, that's fucking cool

when i get around to making a release it will be GPL
and thanks
i like it a lot for RC patrol

now i see why you wanted custom. you get to have those entry options

So if I have eth1 up and running, and then does 'dhclient wlan0' and gets an IP from a wireless access point, and internet stops working, is it reasonable to assume that dhclient changes the default route to use wlan0 and the access point doesn't provide internet access?

also it's hard to maintain a connection to IRC with javascript

from what i know about it, i think it would

but the program and gecko integrate very well. the JS and C# layers can talk to each other. i won't tell you how that happens since it's a kludge, but it requires no unmanaged libraries. you just need gtk# and gecko#.

does opera have anything like about:config?
neat

what's the difference between packet* and packet{p} when removing those?

that's a theory that should be checked by manually inspecting route

prefs.js ? maybe? dunno .. i don't dig around in there .. the preferences dialog has what i need

just copied over partitions to a new drive, need to install grub on the new drive without booting to the old one - any ideas?

i just don't see building such a tightly-integrated application in javascript. and did i mention that it's made up of addins that can depend on each other and consume the functionality of other addins?

livecd exes

i wish there were a way to clear out extraneous pixmap data from the x server host ….

knoppix? not my debian install CD?

one addin provides a stream of Change objects that the recent changes pad consumes, for example

I'm a complete networking idiot… where do I check the default route?

!rescue

methinks rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also rescue mode.

thanks

route -n

look in both -F and -C. `man route`

it's real cool . sounds like you're proud of your "baby"

i am very proud of it

whatever you want that has the grub tools

Thanks, I'll experiment with that.

is there any way for add a new disk (file image) to an existing qemu-image, as it was another disk ?

after upgrading from sarge to etch, when trying to install libapache2-svn using aptitude, I get: "No candidate version found for libapache2-svn"
what does that mean ?

something about 'www.gnu.org' is trashing Sid's iceweasel

it's there .. show us your soruces

send iceweasel to http://www.gnu.org …

i don't get it, and what am i looking for?
oh, sid. etch here. nvm

works just fine in links2

what happens to iceweasle at that address?

Sid's iceweasel gives up the ghost

(whereas any MS kb artcle freezes it up like a deer in the lights)

do you think its intentional?
like, a licensing spat that they made it this way??
really, MS KBs don't load either? whats the deal with iceweasle??

you scumbag of a gtar. –exclude-caches … then archives the entire dir with CACHEDIR.TAG in it. this trying to exclude with tar just isn't going well for me

ah but this is Sid, at least its not the default iceweasle after etch install

Anybody who knows why I can get sound off on channel but not the rest on my Haupauge TV Tuner card using the saa7134 and saa7134-alsa driver ?

i'm referring to links2

how do i install svn? i can not seem to find just the svn command somwhere i tried to install svn-workbench and svn-load but no luck.

install subversion

http://pastebin.ca/673876

in future try something like apt-file search bin/svn to help find the pkg name

i've used rapidsvn (gtk)

amazing how simple it was… thanks

!tell rootmos -about search

apt-get install subversion

anyone here knoe anything about network remote consoles ?

hehe

what is the command to know how many memoery does our server has left

ask specific questions, and you might get answers

free -m, or run top

free -m fastputty
or ps aux

woops. wrong person

tldp.org remote consoles (as you've already been told, a few times now)

we were running sarge with backports.org enabled, and there was a libapache2-svn package at backports.org for sarge. It probably explains the problem.

me ?

yes, you

lol
f* you i didnt see nothing
and i ve been searhcing google for a while

ok, it's my fault

it is

i mean space in the harddrive

seen the new gyrocopters?

what is f*?

lol

df

almost

so you can't install libapache2-svn at all ?

aeronautix.de

no, fails with "No candidate version found for libapache2-svn"

apt-cache policy libapache2-svn
paste that
!paste

Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.

yea i saw those …….also whats on tldp.org ? ilooks like a bunch of how to's hmm

hello, does anyone else have problems with driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run?

http://rafb.net/p/dDnrxu74.html

!tldp

[tldp] The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org

er yep

you're pinning

aah, right.
/etc/apt/preferences contains stuff about it.

hmmm

i need a pizza

looks like ethercons is really good for freebsd

thanks a lot

eh?

spamming?

yep

!azeem++

might need to take that out

I did, and it now works.

ok

im going crazy i cant fins a ethernet / remote network console for anything but freebsd n crap man i know these things exist
maybe i m searching bad ?

which init will disabled the GUI on bootup? 5 ?

JunK-Y: none

!tell JunK-Y about nodm

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/text/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO

http://okvm.sourceforge.net/kvmoverip.html
is htis it as well ?

that will delete this, no?

that looks pretty outdated hmm
i guess guess the term for a thing is called a kvm
i thought kvm was a virtulization software

kvm is a Kernel Virtual Machine nowadays - Yesteryear; it meant Keyboard +Video +Mouse
kvm is a Kernel Virtual Machine nowadays - Yesteryear; it meant Keyboard +Video +Mouse

uhuh. tar –exclude-caches-all will not work in combination with -g

next time google define:KVM

ah

you and wikipedia have a date

OK, fixed my module loading problem, but I think I have a screwed up /etc/modprobe.d When I start X, my system freezes now.

yea im looking for the software way you know ? where the kernel handles the remote console n stuff …..without having to install pci cards
its a kernel driver

I know the radeonfb driver was loading before, but I got that to stop, and now I am able to get the radeon driver with drm to load

hmm

if i can guess at what you mentioned earlier, maybe debootstrap is for you http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap - and do /msg dpkg debootstrap
huh?

how would debootstrap have anything to do with a remote ehternet console

After I start X, my box freezes and I don't see any output in /var/log/

if you don't know, maybe it's not for you

http://kerneltrap.org/node/1034
im looking for the linux equiv of that
i knwo they exist and alot of them

that's a linux site

Hello I installed the server apache and all the other things. Where would I acess the ftp ? Or is there a debian server guide ?

read it

looks dated and old and decrepid, no thanks

what ?
its from 03 but all im saying is i need that for linux ….btw thats a freebsd article

apache doesn't do ftp, it does http

go look at vsftpd

Yes. I isntalled the file server aswell
I set it up for just the LAN

dammit i cant find this and i know this damn thing exist damn

how to i get the total space and used space of my hardrive

df -h

th
thanks

rsync and dovecot DSAs

OK, fixed it!!!
Was this the AGPFASTWRITE option set to 2 on my xorg.conf
cool

With apache how do I control it.

how can view data about an ssl certificate file?

the openssl command has some option to print the data fields. I don't recall them

hello, does anyone else have problems with driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run?

thanks, I'll rtfm

quit "bye"

hi
whenever i try to install kdevelop i am getting unmet dependencies. How do i resolve that?

use aptitude

How are you trying to install kdevelop? Which version of Debian are you using?

hey you guys…. I've got a powerful tomcat server hosting running SuSE and VMware. Can I install a 64bit of debian into a VM ?

is the server 64bit?

yes, but not the current OS

then you need to use a 32bit vm

You can certainly run Debian in VMWare, as to whether you can run a 64-bit distro on a 32-bit host… ask VMWare.

ahh you cant install a 64bit OS into a VM under a 32bit os?

i am using apt. apt-get install kdevelop.

hi

You might be able to do it with a 64-bit kernel on your 32-bit SuSE install

also, whats the difference between the IA64 version and the AMD64 version?

ia64 and amd64 are different instruction sets. IA64 is for Itaniums.

the point is i want to test this out and if i like it, swap it into the main partition

PerfDave is right, that's doable, in fact, a 32bit userspace is a good option sometimes

i can really install a 64bit kernel into a 32bit os?

Yes
Well, you can with Debian

SWEET
this is suse

What version of Debian are you using?

the os isn't 32bit if the kernel is 64

im looking to ditch it but i need to move one step at a time
well all the apps on it are

PerfDave:sarge

You can have a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userspace

that's userspace, not the os

Hello

ahh userspace

What is the "OS"? The kernel, userspace or both?

ok, so I have a dual xeon 3.4ghz with 6gb of ram

good

2 processors, 2 cores on each

If you want to play with Debian, why not just play with the 32-bit version

I am trying to find a way how to exclude some directires when running the find command. I know I should use -prune. It works for one dir, but how to add more dirs to the list?

I think it's Pentium-D base
PerfDave, I've played with Debian in the past and I like it.
I want to more-like see if all our stuff works with it

Please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://channels.debian.net/paste/

so with my processor, I use the AMD64 or the IA64?

former

ahh
so basically IA64 kernel is for the two Itanium machines out there

If your Xeon is 64-bit capable (some aren't, can never remember which) then you want amd64

thanks people

enjoy

yup

fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
hmm is amd64 supposed to be listed there?

looks amd64-ish to me

amd64 isn't a cpuflag. There is a cpuflag or combination thereof which indicates amd64 but again I can never remember

ahh lolz
can I tell anywhere in /proc/cpuinfo ?

Hmm, I'm *sure* the name amd64 came before x86-64

hah AMD always has it to Intel with that one!
yuck i wish there was some easy way to tell if my cpu is 64

http://www.intel.com/products/processor
a href="http://www.intel.com/products/processor"http://www.intel.com/products/processor/a

anyone can help me with my question on find?

nope. because you didn't ask it

are you using multiple -prunes or just one with all the directories listed after it?

lol
never ask to ask. just ask.

i keep getting this message when I run alsaconf; amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory

he already did ask

I am trying to find a way how to exclude some directories when running the find command. I know I should use -prune. It works for one dir, but how to add more dirs to the list?
there you go.

-prune -prune -prune, try using one for each directory
gets tedious but should work

dfsg

well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

xeons are impossible to identify… damn

google for a cpuflags reference

ah

card is a cmpci

!chroot

well, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot

is anyone else running unstable getting a lot of segfaults? gsb is howine the sigsegvs in firefox and evolution are happening inside libxml2.

can you run alsamixer?

no

s/howine/showing/

your user is in the audio group?

I use chroot all the time, but sometimes you need to make some mount –bind 's first, for /proc /sys, and /dev, depending on what you are doing

just curious if it's me or if there is really a problem

bts ?

i get this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
i am in the audio group

cat /proc/asound/cards

sure, one sec

(pastebin)

thx, trying

hello folks, i am having trouble in creating raid devices. i had a disk with 9 partitions. i repartitioned the disk to have 10 parititions. when i run mdadm -C /dev/md10 /dev/sda10 /dev/sdb10 -l1 -n2 i get the errormdadm: error opening /dev/md10: No such file or directory. i would appreciate some help on this

#backup

http://pastebin.ca/673936

tried x86info or cpuid yet?

is this on linux?

yes

Im am trying to set up a chroot but am getting this error. $chroot /chroot
cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory

DCC CHAT C\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

building x86info……

git-clone git://git.choralone.org/git/x86info; cd x86info; make; sudo modprobe cpuid; sudo modprobe msr; sudo ./x86info
…. ah, you got the general idea already

its a pain…. but whatever

Consider connecting to Freenode with a non-6667 port.

!ops Shinkai exploiting dcc exploit

Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eulex complains about: Shinkai exploiting dcc exploit

ket-warrior:if i am not wrong you, you should verify if /chroot/bin/bash exists

Otherwise, you are vulnerable to D C C exploiting.

ok I still dont know what im looking for

8001 IIRC

Port 8001 works.
Heh.

ricky, thx

i dont think x86info gave me anything more than /proc/cpuinfo…

nvm, he left…

yeah, thanks for the notice, but I don't think there's too much point adding a ban now

yeah

probably better to tell staff .. though the guy is likely on dhcp

64-bit extensions technology available = true
LAHF/SAHF supported in 64-bit mode = false
how does it look?

the first line looks kinda promising, no?
I'd try booting the amd64 netinst

wouldn't it be easier to ask #hardware ?

i dont have physical access to the server room

physical access is for wimps.

have you tried as root? what does modinfo show for your card's module?

in fact, swapping in a new distro is going to be a pain, but i've done it before
last time it was because i didnt have a keyboard, and the only thing that would boot was knoppix
so from there, i built a distro and swapped it in.

http://pastebin.ca/673950

man I gotta quote you on that… "physical access is for wimps", lol!

I'll try to get one on firefox too

I've got a package that refuses to deinstall because of a bad preremove script, what can I do?

i meant .. have you checked the BTS for similar issues ?

doh haha

fix it or have it exit early

I'm in the processm yes

nice trace thoguh

I'm hoping it's really a libxml issue, this is a super-new Thinkpad laptop, and I'm worried that there is something sketchy about linux based hosting services on it

what abrotman means is, edit the copy in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.prerm to make it succeed, one way or another, then try again

but it's good that both firefox and evolution are faulting in the same library at leas

are you running sid on it?

i was waiting for him to ask how!

heh

lenny/sid yes

peterS, got it.

http://pastebin.com/d79a4c601, unfortunately none of them works.

i was giong to give him the Q&D way to make it exit cleanly .. but he ran away!

removing the -e?

exit 0; ?

ok thanks guys, i've got what to play with now

or just blow away the script entirely

cheater!

yes, yes I am

what could go wrong …

is that allowed? to span columns in a single form inside a table?
it would seem to violate the concept of nesting

PerfDave:where can i paste the sources.list file?

IIRC iti s

!paste

Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.

in that case

i seriously doubt it would pass the w3c validation ..

/tr….

i could do that too!

Sorry my english but what pakage do i need to send mail like this one http://pastebin.com/m78d94ab1

still sounds dirty

but yeah, the SGML schema for html hosting 4.0 or whatever probably does not allow that case

that's php

PerfDave:http://rafb.net/p/RWWBsT65.html

well… the 64 bit wouldnt boot in the VM

Yes but i can't send mail from my debian server

sending is easy, its recv thats the issue

And you're trying to install kdevelop? Have you tried running "apt-get update"?

what do i need to install for to send mail

postfix
and you need to edit main.cf. if you have port 25 blocked, you need to set up a relay server

(once you've fixed your kdevelop problem, you definitely want to enable security upgrades and do an "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade"

yes

do you have any idea how I should proceed?

OK, what's the output of "aptitude install kdevelop"

by me it's in /etc/postfix/main.cf

Yes port 25 is blocked

PerfDave:infact any package i try to install i get unmet dependencies problem.

and I added this:

It might be that your Debian mirror is dodgy.

myhostname = optonline.net

I get a list of packages saying for eg packagex 1.2 = package2.1 and cannot be installed.

relayhost = [mail.optonline.net]
becuase I use optimum online for my outgoing mail, they are my service provider.

Please paste the output of the commands "aptitude update" and "aptitude install kdevelop".

I used netselect-apt to select the mirrors.

of course this assumes that you can send mail outgoing, anonymously. otherwise you will need a username/password

k give me a min.

I am now at General type of configuratin
What should i choice

To send mail from your Debian system directly, you need an MTA such as exim or nullmailer
If you're only interested in sending mail to a remote SMTP server, nullmailer might be the easiest option.

sorry, no idea, I've just seen people use multiple -prunes

hm shold i not install postfix ?

You could use postfix, you should have Exinm installed by default though

okay. thanks anyway.

I have exim installed but cant send mail only smtp mail

What do you mean "cant send mail only smtp mail"?

http://pastebin.ca/673981

But if i install postfix the say that whant to remove exim

I have tried as root, same result

Yes, you can only have one MTA installed at a time.
It might help if you told us in more detail what you're trying to do.

I have this script to send mail http://pastebin.com/m78d94ab1 but it dont send mail.. it dont use smtp

PerfDave:http://rafb.net/p/EG4Djc73.html
that is when i do a install for kdevelop

Salut à tous
hi all

you there?

Hmm, what does "apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a" say?

some X libs are currently messed in testing
exim is capable of sending mail to a smart host or as an internet site

what about permissions in /dev/snd?

I am not able to install xchat also.. so i have to boot to debian and then get the file.
In ksirc.. when i am in the channel it says cannot send msg to the channel.

you're on lenny ?

I am on windows now.

that's useful

why does kisrc say "cannot send msg to channel"?

Can you send mail from the command-line using the "mail" command?

How

Have you changed your sources.list recently?
mail -s Test my@email.address "This is a test"
Then read /var/log/exim4/mainlog

Yes i used netselect-apt to do it.

Okej

also i did a apt-get update after that

they are set to root, I'm guessing that could be the problem?

OK, have you always run Sarge?

I didn't get you.

well, try root:audio, see if that helps?

What did your sources.list say before you changed it?

I have no idea when it comes to auido and linux tbh, mine has always just worked

I dont understand

well http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/TroubleShooting says try chmod -R a+rwX /dev/snd
and that that is potentially insecure

PerfDave http://pastebin.com/mc512c62

!locale

i heard locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers)

OK, exim is running but is not configured properly.
dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config

It seems, the locale information for debian is outdated

hm listing smtp on 127.0.0.1 i shouldbe smtp.bredband.net

PerfDave:http://rafb.net/p/trQnnq45.html

I mean the bot.

hrm

!rfp virtualbox

/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 has been altered. Cannot update.
it worked fine on 4 other Etch boxes except this one

OK, you've been installing unstable packages from random dedicated ip hosting addresses, it's no wonder your system is screwed up.

initramfs-tools 0.85h update

well I tried it and it still didnt work

K so how do i fix it?

could be the mirror at his colo?

doh
/ is full

this is bad

bad logrotate.. bad

What is that deb http://81.91.108.244/debian/ line about?

I'll find out

244.108.91.81.in-addr.arpa name = lizard-eth1.linux-srv.anlx.net.

Is there any graphical "file manager" that can list about 1000 directories and files in 0.5 seconds?
Gnome takes here about 5 seconds

xterm ls ?

_graphical_

Hence the X in xterm

krusader? thunar? rox?

xterm *is* graphical

xfe ?

TBH I suspect it has more to do with the filesystem / disk set up than the file managing sotware.

wait .. why does it matter ?

I don't like waiting.
and I do visit my home dir rather often.

then don't .. go get a beer out of the fridge

then use a terminal

sounds like you need a better heirarchy

Then use CLI. And be a bit more organized

are the various preview/file type options switched off?

http://beewee.be.funpic.de/initrd.img.html
should I try to mount it?

I am not sure.

or what can I do now?

no
is that a major factor?

i have all the features on .. it's slow .. what should i do?!

IF you don't know where you've been installing packages from, and you're having trouble with dependencis, the only surefire way to fix it is to reinstall

indeed.

If you have 1000+ files in $HOME, you need some subdirectories

I could organize it a bit better, since I have the source trees for lots of projects in ~.

I don't use Gnome. However, Konqueror (the KDE counterpart) read all the file contents to determine file type and draw nice icons… your file manager might be doing something similar

yes, it does, I could switch it off, but I did that before IIRC, and it didn't matter a lot.

too many kernels

I am quite sure that the line came up today… mostly from netselect i guess..

I suspect this is an upstream issue. irc.gnome.org, #gnome … they should be caring about usability

Why doesn't it just fetch the dependencies?

it's usable .. just not fast

i suggest a subdir ~/src or ~/proj or something similar as a start then. and maybe one subdir per project beneath that one

Because you've screwed it up

yes, I already had one, I just didn't migrate everything yet.

but clearly if you have 1000 directories in $HOME .. you need to clean up

Once you start mixing binary packages from stable and unstable all bets are off and the only way to fix it is to reinstall.

or go all unstable!

abrotman:how do i go all unstable?

I only have about 140 dirs, the rest are files

you don't want to on a server
so put them somewhere .. don't be a slob

yes, I will

Its a desktop.

hell .. even ~/stuff/ is better than $HOME

If you have to ask how to go unstable, you shouldn't.

!sid upgrade

Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
uSid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead./u

wow. never saw that kind of home directory before. how do you ever find something?

Just realise that you screwed your system up and reinstall

Ok, disabling "preview" (and putting me back in the Windows 95 age) brings it back to under one second.
tab completion in shell most of the time

k..

I only use the graphical manager for some directories

now ask the developers about "caching the preview"

!lame

or rarewares. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/

Why isn't it in non-free?

PerfDave:anyways thanks for the help

nah, I won't bother the developers, since they aren't interested in making it work better

the mp3 algorithmn was developed at one of the fraunhofer institutes in germany. and they did not gpl it

I filed a bug for mounting a floppy disk with vfat file system. The Gnome people said it was a kernel problem. The kernel people pointed back to the Gnome people.

is there a way to verify the key slot number of a luks key?

Like I say, it's more likely to do with your disk setup and filesystem than your file manager software.

I use Ext3

um, you're mixing patents and licenses

any command to see the number of files on one disk?

it's patented? even worse…

surely you could just see if it works outside of gnome?

find /

All I know is that my webserver is not production ready because of this BS
it's the damned gif files all over again. =P

on second thought. I would patent it too. i would be rich, rich is say… (sorry could not resist)

You want to do mp3 encoding on a production webserver?

what works?

just install i from debian-multimedia

I don't know much about IP, but there's nothing wrong aobut trying to protect your inventions.

mounting a vfat floppy

if works when you give the right flag to mount

so its not a kernel problem?

but you cannot say to the kernel: "mount this floppy"
this might be because this in impossible in general

babilen, you want me to put nonstandard packages on this thing? PerfDave, ok, actually, only the output will be on the server. But I need that output.

but I don't know that

i agree completely

you've lost me..

does a Core2Duo processor run standard x86 Debian? or is it 64bit?

You don't need lame to serve MP3s on a webserver.

anyone who can recomend a nice lightweight window handler

works

64-bit processors can run 32-bit distributions.

than install lame from the upstream sources, convert your files elsewhere and put them on the webserver

mountpoint

At least, amd64 processors can run i386 distributions.

PerfDave please don't waste precious bandwidth on that sort of information.

sure

do you understand?

thanks PerfDave

but i guess installing from debian-mutlimedia is the fastest solution

Sorry, you appear to be confused about what lame is.

yes, how is that a gnome issue at all?

PerfDave, I'm not thanks.

Gnome claims to be a desktop environment

Well, if you're going to get arsey, I won't bother trying to help you.

right?

I click on an icon with a vfat floppy and it doesn't work. Who's fault is it then?

Perf, debian wasted $300 today.
Anyway, I got to go.

the Gnome guys should take this bug to the kernel people if they think they cannot solve it otherwise.

wtf

but in this case the kernel person said that the Gnome people should solve it, but they won't due to lack of interest
end of story

Well, Gnome is free software. If you care that much, you can fix it yourself or hire someone to do it.

sounds easy to work around
also, floppies suck

!sucks

Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg

Heh, "easy to work around". It just means it's not "polished".
I.e. _not_ user-friendly, where user-friendly is designed relative to the target user of Gnome which is some computer-illiterate person.

dpkg i almost wet self

er defined

huh?

funny pic

they shouldn't close a bug report based on "lack of interest"

hey, I can't get 3d support for my Ati Radeon Mobility 7500 I tried radeon, ati etc… I was here lastr time and stil I couldn't get 3d support now I was wondering if the official ati drivers would work there is no one for my card but there is a driver for 9600 will that work maybe?

this creates a "lack of interest" to file more bugs.

This is true. Then again, I'm not a Gnome user.

perhaps a lack of interest to use their software is more appropriate.

!start a wm war

wmaker blows!

I suppose. I do switch some times, but there are some weak points in the minimal window managers and KDE crashed a bit too much.

xfce's file manager only renders previews when the icons are visible, for example. However, the initial rendering of a directory with about 1000 files is slow too.

someone?

Hello
recently new installation of xubuntu
trying to compile hosting a program
ran configure and got
checking for C compiler default output file name… configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables

the free radeon driver ought to work, I think

#debian

This is #debian, not #ubuntu

fasta, pardon?

I tried too much

Yes, I know, but it's the same thing

fglrx does not support those card any more

No, it's not

no, it isn't.

!ubuntu

yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also based on debian caveats.

and I get threads about people who tried also much

I've installed xserver-xorg, and whenever I try to startxfce4, It will tell me 'No Valid FontPath could be found', Where I did wrong please?

I NEVER tought about using fglrx

Or, which packages should I install?

well I will try radeon driver

oh, what did you mean by "official ati driver" then?

from the website…

which site?

hello, does anyone else have problems with driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run?

you should use the Debian way. Next question

You shouldn't use the nvidia-provided installer on Debian systems

heh
this is becoming boring

i need it for compiz-fusion :/
oh well

You can install the nVidia binary driver, just don't use the installer from nvidia.com

Compiz can only be used to slow down your computer.

!tell pablo__ -about nvidia

And crash X while doing so.

hi guys, is there a root only equivalent to "locate" which searches the /home/ directory too?

Ok, I know, xfonts-base

You might want to look at slocate

ok, thanks

ok thanks guys

!tell xinming about install x

I uploaded something on paster, but I'm not sure where to from there

Hmm, that page http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers doesn't mention that the nvidia.com installer will overwrite apt-owned files which will be overwritten in turn.

ah, that's awsome PerfDave
thanks

I can't seem to get samba configured. When I 'dpkg –configure samba," it shows "symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/smbd: undefined symbol: good_sends" and fails

What a strange error! Which version of Debian are you running?

lenny

Did you check the BTS?

BTS?

!btssmite psychonate

bug tracker?
will do

Is there a way to rename a factoid?

infobot.org

already someone know a good commandline monitoring tool comparing to snoopylogger ?

don't see anything similar in the bug tracker so far

thanks, but a) those are only "most of the commands" and b) dpkg is a blootbot

hm, dpkg is based on infobot

grepping over the code for blootbot shows a "rename" command though

sure, xk changed that, but those are the only documentation about…

is foo

should be enough

that's not renaming, that's changing the value of
however, it doesn't matter, there's a lot of references to the current factiod so I decided not to mess with it at this time
dpkg, what are you?

I am a blootbot. For more info see blootbot

+

how can I setup debian to act as a headless router/switch?
I have a machine with 5 NICs in it

wich xorg is there in etch?
wich version I mean

!info xorg etch

..1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 44

see above.

tnx

apt-cache policy xorg

that's assuming he _has_ etch in his sources.list

I found something that 3d is supported by radeon in from "he newes prerelease of X.org 6.8.1 supports the RV200 including 2D and 3D accel. "

or have a look at http://packages.debian.org, or try one of the other possibilities if you do not have etch in your sources list.

it should just work, unless you messed with the system by installing ati's binary stuff
at least, it "just worked" for my 9200

i just like to help people by showing them how to solve similar problems on their own the next time.

anyone here use Lilo
?

makes sense

!anyone

polls

is their anyway to make lilo only boot a image/kernl once then have it default to another one ?

!anyone use lilo

No, no one uses lilo, not even the people who use it.

there is a great problem with that card I google much and always found the same "not 3d support" and that stuff

I believe so

yea hmm looking for the option

why not use grub if ya wanna do that?

"no support" doesn't help. Which debian release are you using? Version of xorg? Are you using a custom kernel (does it have support for radeon kernel module and agpgart)? Are libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

how can I setup debian to act as a headless router/switch?
I have a machine with 5 NICs in it
also, is it safe to use said machine as a web server aswell?

can grub do that ?

what causes my windows box to not have a "remember password" when mapping a network drive to a samba share on my debian box? I can do it to my old FC3 box no problems.

yes, lilo can do that. Have you read the manual page?

yes

ok sec I will search everything

/sbin/lilo -R linux-new (Tell LILO to treat linux-new as default boot kernel just for one time only)
google found it for me with: lilo "one time"

yeah, want aware lilo had that option too
wasnt

did you login with a password on the windows box? is it autologin?

it's a different user/pass than what is on my windows box

you can login to the share, right? windows uses protected storage to cache your passwords. if you don't login to windows (eg, passwordless, or autologin has no password), there's no cached passwords.

ok, gotcha… good to know, but no, I manually log into all my boxes

hi

try the net command from the command line. there's a way to make it persistant

router yes, switch not so much. I mean, you could make it a switch, but it would suck at it and be a royal PITA to set up.

I'll give it a go… I know when I connect to my fedora box it gives me the "remember…" option… but when I do the same to debian it doesn't

Can someone direct me to some instructions on how to install the Nvidia binary drivers under the 2.6.21 kernel? Apparently it changed from 2.6.18.

so debian vs fedora is the only difference from that box?

running on debian Lenny, btw.

yeah, I compared the smb.conf's side by side and can't see anything glaring at me

!tell hans0lo -about nvidia

and fc3 has smbd version 3.x (it is older but, minor revision)

what of the versions of samba?

!nvidia-installer really sucks

We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner

Version 3.0.10-1.fc3 and debian is Version 3.0.24

that advice does not work on lenny

but I can still plug 5 machines in it?

hm, just use stable then

and theyll all be firewalled and have access to the internet?

I'm leaving the office and I'll be home in about 10 mins, I'll pick up this screen when I get there, so feel free to throw any suggestions in the mean time

um, why is it a royal pita to set up a bridge with lots of eth* devices?
my DSL router is running linux 2.4.17 and has 4 eth devices (ok, it has some custom drivers … that's its default firmware

but then everyother time after that it would do the normal krnel right ?

man pages are your friend.

I'm going to be removing 43 lines of bans. You are strongly advised to /ignore #debian MODES

yes i am instaling lilo

unbanning begins; /ignore #debian MODES; (or your clients equivalent is recommended)

meh

!beer dondelelcaro

wow

you can /unignore #debian MODES; if you want

what a hack

!ignore pickcoder

that's always how i've thought of ignores on irc, sticking your fingers in your ears

does anyone know if its possible to extract the md5sum hash out of rsync if you are on the receving end of an ssh based rsync? thanks.

hello is there any packet to crypt my hdd

Klaps, http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/

something like http://paste.debian.net/35641, basically. Then use the bridge as the internal LAN device and set it up normally.

sup all

is there a way to get gdm/gnome to mess with grub so that i can ask it to reboot into a certain entry, a la kde?

i got a simple question…i created a file called "firewall" and i want to be executed upon bootup (even before the login screen for console). how do i do this

I do this for my virtual machines, which are bridged to the phys. iface to make it look like they're directly connected to the lan

!rc.local

rc.local is, like, /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about init.d). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s

can i get it with apt-get install dm-crypt?

!tell Klaps about repeat

Klaps, i wont try it without a proper howto for debian in your native language

right now it is chmod 770. do i need to change its permissions so it can be executed before the login screen

Did you read what dpkg told you?

of course

if it's an iptables setup script, call it from /etc/network/interfaces

but it dont say what permissions it has to have

the interfaces file will be cleaner

right now it is set for root only to execute

man interfaces and look at the post-up directive
that's where i do my iptables stuff anyway

i changed interfaces to chmod 770 to…and i cant remember what it originally was

scripts are usually root anyways…

oh so thats all good then….can i have the interfaces file execute the "firewall" script

yes, just do what i told you to

oh ok i got ya
thanks

"man interfaces" — run it from a post-up section and it will be run after the interface is brought up

both of yas
so i tack it on to the bottom of interface file
ok

on
no*

ohhh

you tack it under your eth0 definition, or whatever interface you want it to be tied to

well i cant man anything cause one of the nic cards i added is giving me some kind of error and it keeps coming up like ever 2 seconds
so anything i type on that box gets screwy

so "ifconfig that-nic down"

its not really an error…not sure what i should call it
k 1 sec

setterm -msglevel 1

sweet

or that

ok, so my user crontab seems to not get executed any more. any idea why? (sid)

im gonna have to fix that problem cause the other 4 nics dont do that msg…just that one

who needs four nics =/

i got 5 but that one gives me that error

yea, that's what vlan switches are for

i making a router

this isn't like a mission-critical router is it?

brb i have to reboot that box and i will loose connection on this box for a min
1 min brb

my uni requires a program to gain network access… basically it scans your computer for "illegal p2p software" and if you're clean it lets your MAC address through

any ideas for my samba issue?

check /etc/default/ - but otherwise, no.

the solution? a 2-nic linux router running a pristine XP VM that is firewalled from the rest of my private LAN.

Have you tried tcpdumping the software?

what should I be looking for in defaults? not much there in samba

And does it auth the MAC address of the host it's running on, or the MAC address of the machine that connects to the auth sever?

no idea. my samba box isn't accessible from my location.

Hey folks, I'm getting something really slowing down my system to an absolute crawl. I ctrl+alt+F2 and log in, in hopes of killing some processes but error messages just keep scrolling and I'm unable to enter any commands. Is there anything I can do other than just hitting the power button?

understood, I'll play around with it some more
thanks

the latter, which means the VM stuff works
this is my third year, i've done this all before
also the connection is some UDP thing that looks pretty encrypted
no i take that back, it was https. i installed a driver on windows that intercepts the traffic before wininet gets it (so it's readable) and it looked like if i spent a lot of time i could reverse engineer it.

Hmmmmmm, I guess I should just pull the plug?? That can't be good but no other ideas?

then i found out that if i identified as linux with the browser it would just let me on, so a few minutes and one perl cron job later, and i was set

What do the error messages say?

Error -110 writing Tx descriptor to BAP
I now know how to avoid getting this error. I'm just concerned about how I can issue an `ifconfig eth1 down` or safetly shut down when my console is completely flooded.

Looks like a network condition, you could try unplugging the cable

Basically once the error pops up, it seems the only solution is to hit the power button
wireless

so the cable is broken then …

it happens when my computer has the wireless up in certain network environments

firmware based driver ?

Really all I care about know is how I can shutdown
not sure
s/know/now

which chipset
oh
you can't switch to a terminal ?

Pressing the power button on my case shuts my computer down cleanly.

hi
does anyone have a idea whethertheres a debian iwlwifi (source) package anywhere?

packages.debian.org probably knows

when I ctrl+alt+F2, I can log in but after logging in, the terminal just gets flooded with the error message and I can't enter any commands

i couldn't find one when i looked

ctrl-l make them go away ?

inofficial or development i mean

have you tried typing "poweroff" and hitting enter
?

aha, didn't know about ctrl-l, what is that?

okay, so i still have to write the module-assi scripts myself

it's not -too- hard to compile yourself, but you'll need to get the kernel source package (not just the headers) and pass a couple of options to the makefile

Mmm, binary firmwarelicious.

well, thats not the problem. i want a "clean" install

usually the crap on the screen won't actually affect what you type (just what you read)

so i'll have to build me packages ;p

amusingly, the firmware is in debian (although the one in debian is too old)

(or m-a stuff)

it's the GPL'd module that isn't.

jeah, thats strange … why is there the firmware?

hmmmmm okkay lemme run up and try that stuff
thanks folks

i'm going to guess it's because the ipw3945 driver is in Debian, and whoever didn't realize iwlwifi's needed for a 4965AGN

HA .. my entire labor day is saying 80F .. beat that!

I thought Intel stuff was all supposed to be GPLd these days.

it is except for the binary firmware (which is common in wireless drivers anyway)

Meh, I'll stick to my Realtek chipsets

100% GPL except for the firmware - yet, the firmware is in Debian, the GPL'd module isn't
ew

!ipw3945

add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)

that doesn't help for a 4965AGN

presumably because the 'contrib' module depends on the non-free firmware
i'm aware of that

the 4965AGN firmware is in debian unstable already

boo!

so i am doubting firmware licensing is the issue

it's still in non-free

!info firmware-iwlwifi sid

hm, kay

firmware-iwlwifi: (Binary firmware for Intel Wireless), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 282 kB, Installed size: 728 kB

i need iwlwifi for a 3945

!find iwlwifi sid

firmware-iwlwifi: (Binary firmware for Intel Wireless), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 282 kB, Installed size: 728 kB

so, there's other non-free stuff in it :/

anyone a idea what i need to do to modify a sourcetree so it works with module-assi?

maybe it works with another driver ?

Can anyone tell me how i can restrict my client from the back end but still allow them to add static content/new pages from the front end?

What is a good site to download modules and templates that are open source?

yo
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php?topic=96815.50;wap2

Anyone ever used a transparent png in an overlib in IE?

GM all, anyone using AJAX Chat
when i go into the chat it kinda just locks up and Loading users and loading rooms

check your javascript console, if any

what do u mean

if your browser has a javascript console, look there to find the place where the javascript stumbles
then fix it

hi folks - -i need a recomendation for a good gallery — expose'4 is a total bugfest and i cant find a way to add photos in RSGallery
can someone please point me to one that will allow multiple galleries - one for each grade for example

Hi!
Are the unpublished items visible by registered users?

no
not if they are unpublished
except in teh back end

I want to add an item to main menu that is visible only for registered users

can i create custom link items like a special blog layout in 1.5?

Can anyone tell me how i can restrict my client from the back end but still allow them to add static host content/new pages with menu links from the front end?

can someone please recomend a good gallery component - -im having fits getitng one to work right

unfortunately i can't, but can you tell me how to add a link to a form made with facileforms to user menu?

no — im afraid i cant — i dont use forms on my site

anyone know a good way to compile community builder statistics off hand?… gunna start my search now, but if someone could point me in the right direction that would be greatly appreciated

[Si|0]: check this out — http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,564/Itemid,35/

folks - -im gettin kinda desparate here - -can anyone please point me to a good photo album component — i need to be able to have multiple albums, managers need to be able to upload and registered users view — anyone pleasee???

W8TAH use gallery2

ok - im diggin for it - thanks
rsgallery2?

yes
how can i move a module position
within the template

rsgallery2 does not work - -ive tried 6 different times to get it working

y not

u mean which positon they are displayed in?

no i want to move the content of my site before a the modules
so i want to relocate a mod to the bottom rather than on top

that would be controlled in either the css or the html i think but im not sure

I need some help relocating a module position in my template or establishing a new one which ever is easier

hey
whats going on here?

hey sup
danZenie, is it easier to relocate a mod position in a template?

easier than what?

creating a new one

that's hard to answer
it really depends on your template
i don't know

http://pastebin.com/d4ed1b2e3

hello joomlers

danZenie, can u look at that and let me know what u think is best?

what i think about what?

http://pastebin.com/d4ed1b2e3
either add or move a module
position

why don't you try
try adding one

i'm looking for a _very_ easy to use content editor, similar to the Tiny included, but that handles image upload with automatic resize — does anyone know? My client is very non-technical so i want them to be able to just write a text and upload a couple of images, easy

j416, JCE

will give it a try! thank you danZenie

np

"clear the installation directory" what do i have to do…?

muh2000, delete it

danZenie the complete dir ?

you're done with the install correct?
if so yes
you can rename if your scared
but you should remove it completely

no i am trying to install

oh
no no
don't delete then

hmm

have you change anything?
did you rename the configuration file?

yes the config…php file with my databaseuser and database…

revert back

hm ok
still clear the installation dir. and when i connect only to myhost/joomla i get: Database Error: Unable to connect to the database: Could not connect to MySQL

it thinks its already installed
try going to installation/index.php

where is it installed then?
ok

you said you haven't done the installed
so how could it be installed

by trying diffrent versions of joomla

so you did install it

not rly couldnt force any version to work…
so i have to remove the installation/index.php to let it work again or what?

can anyone help me with a short question regarding template design in 1.5?
how do i get jdoc:include type="component" to render table-less code??

muh2000, no
you need to make sure theres no configuration.php in your htdocs' /

danZenie, i think i did it right…..

good job

no configuration.php ? umm? ok

if theres a configuration.php it will look there for settings
and it will think joomla is installed

ok

use template overrides.

i've tried style="xhtml" but i get the same result
do i have to look for something else?

please go to forum.joomla.org and search for template overrides.
that is not style="xhtml"

thnks, just googled it

yeah it worked thanks alot
what rights should the configuration.php have ? 0400 ? 0600 ?

muh2000, that depends on how your httpd is configured

hmmm i think i try 400 first and go up step by step ^^

no 400 wont work
need to be able to work
try 744 first
if your httpd owns the files you shoul db egood
if your httpd runs under nobody, you might need 777

my apache runs with www-data

then if www-data owns the files your good
you're

danZenie, i seems as though it went full width as well as removing the name of the module

hi, any idea why my right menu work only on home page but not in news section ?

EvilDin, go to Module Manager and find the "Main Menu" module
on the right you will see where its published

http://pastebin.com/dc4ef9ce
the mod is newusers

Newest FrumSpace Members

um, polls is shown only on Home, even then i set in module manager to be seen everywhere
on other pages show only title but no options to vote

well thats full width
the module position i created is called newusers

well you put it in a ful width section
if you don't want it there, then put it where the banner is

i want to put Newest Frumspace Members and Latest Forum Post

aha i already find it

if you don't want it full width

i cant put it in banner

abouve the banner

i want it where it is now but just sized to the template
not full width

that is the size of the tempalte
taka look here http://www.frumia.com/index.php?tp=1

i would like it banner size
in the position i just created

then you will have nothing to the right or left

i want it aligned banner size on the bottom how do i do that

it doesn't look righ tin firefox
nor IE

or i kno
thats why i need to align it up under the rest of the site

why did you ad the module call so far down?

i didnt know where else to put it
this why my first time doing this

closer to where you actually want it

didnt know how so i trie

you want it close to the top

i want the order to be Welcome than Latest Members than Latest forum hosting posts

JCE is omitting the top section of my content
the first paragraph has a few sentences missing

think i got it now dan

i tried JCE just now
but it seems it doesn't do image hosting resizing?

sorry i missed that request

it just scales the image in the browser, but doesn't change the actual file

you're right it doesn't
scaling and resizing are not the same

the thing is, my client will (probably) upload 3mb files directly from the camera

understand

and.. well

i also train my clients against taht

well, this client is 70 years old, it's kind of hard
would i be better off building a resizer of my own, or is there any joomla-thing for it out there??
i have searched a lot but i haven't found one so far

If I prepend   to the content, then it displays all the sentences of the second paragraph

there should be an media manager that allows for this

otherwise, it only displays some of the sentences of the first paragraph

danZenie, how come the mod name for Latest FrumSpace Members does not appear

media manager. Will search
thank you

i have it set to display
show title

the name is displayed
newuser is internal
you wont see that online
the "Module Name" is dispalyed, not the "Module position" name

but Latest Forum Post appears

i see " Newest FrumSpace Members"

really
hmm

in FF

what the heck, i'll just find some easy file resizer software for them. Easy enough.

or picasa

i dont thats odd

which browser are you using?
in opera it shows just how you want it

ff

in ff 2.* i see the space with the module name
but the iamges are bellow the content
same with IE7

picasa
that's a great idea
thank you!

np

i want images below the content
but i just do not see "Latest FrumSpace Members" title

if i put the cursor at the begining of the first visible line and press the left arrow, the cursor disappears

bpjr, this is opera http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bpjroperazf2.jpg

I have 2 Joomla Services sites, both 1.0.13 if that matters… they're both on the same server, different IP address, same mysql server, etc… anyway, I was wondering if there was a way to share a news section between the two sites

if i wrap the whole content in an anonymous div tag, jce displays it correctly

SunDragon, check the CSS settings for the JCE mambot

where do i find localised language files ?

setting Template CSS Classes to No solved my issue

muh2000, try the joomla extensions site

i did not see my front end template css used anywhere in the admin content editor html hosting code
thanks for helping me again

np
bpjr, please don't pm me

!!
CAn i PM You dude?

why not ask right here
you want personalized support?

have u seeen it in ff

thnx

the title is on top but the users on bottom

lol yes
I really neeed it man

beggars can't be choosers

sorry

danZenie, do you see it in ff

yes i saw it

and IE

the module name is at the top

how do i fix that
?

you have to move your module
to a different place

where do u thnk

where is the "Latest Forum Posts
" published?
published the "Newest FrumSpace Members " in that same module position

newusers
they bother in same mod new users

see, www.myvigil.info how can i make it better
Is there anyway to make it so i can "choose" like, a certain icon for each post i make, so in headlines it shows the icon for "Predictions"

like slashdot
show the category image or something

where do i put the mod

don't use a new mod

published the "Newest FrumSpace Members " in that same module position

hmmm i can select a language but cant click a button or something to activate

muh2000, what exactly are you trying to do?
make it the default language?

i did but the title is STILL on the top and the images are on the bottom, i want to put the title with the images

the default or just select and try out whether it works to switch the language

switch content language?
or interface language?

interface language

publish the language
select it and publish it
vigilant, what is the site abut?

publish how ?

did you install the new language file?

Languages

Language Manager

select your language and publish it

i copied them into the dir…

no sir
you have to install it
through the ijnstaller

as an *.zip or as a folder ?

as in the file you downloaded
compressed

Error! Could not find an XML setup file in the package. :/

where did you download this language file?
is it a Joomla! language file?
are you installing it as a Language, and not a Component, mambot, or module?

ok i figured it out. it was 3 packets in a zip…
and now i get it how to activate ^^

Languages

Language Manager

yes danZenie Like slashdot

i clicked "default" and now it is set i thought the activation was somewhere else ^^

danzenie yes lol like slashdot

and i guess i setip a ftp user for joomla ^^
setup…

vigilant, i think there is a bot that does that

You need to tell me what name the bot has
lol
jk

….
hey danZenie.

hello supergreg. you see how they're testing me

surprise?

php-settings: "deactivated functions = none " should i be worried ?

http://cc.dyndns.org/pics/garfield.jpg

lol!

surprise!

lol

hello… in configuration.php $mosConfig_live_site set http://meow-meow.no-ip.org, but i want in order to i can go to site from local net too, with 192.168 ip without internet, how do that
?

vigilant, i found something that can work for you

if i set 192.168, then i can`t use site from internet…

i will make you wait and suffer though

lol danZenie ?
what is it

its in the JED

you need to learn to use the JED force within you to overcome this

JED?

its amazing how many people don't know about JED
download, install, and admin joomla
but don't know what JED is

jed ?

]joomla jed @ vigilant

JED is Joomla Extensions Directory, see: http://extensions.joomla.org

i will write about this

"oh noes"

oh yes i will

I've modificated pizza sample but it's not working - when I click order it does not go to a site where i have to give an address- how to slove that?

Is there a way to get rid of certain tables like the table for top modules with the admin interface? or do i have to edit some html/php?

www.a8ejoomla.com

ty

i need some help adjusting the new module i added
http://pastebin.com/d3fbde942
the new mod is called newuser
supergreg
?

the JED is huge

it appears you havent met my mother in law
hey bpjr
sup

hey super
trying to fix my new mod that i added

not seeing newuser anywhere

newusers
172

Your new mod?
anyone here do modules?

i would imagine most people would..

seems fine to me bpjr

what are u viewing it in

Fx 2.0.0.4

u can notice the title is above Welcome
but the pics are below
do u see that supergreg?

you there man?

supergreg?

http://pastebin.com/d349453f9

i will try
ahhh thank you

basic html

what was the cause

you put the module inside a table but not inside a row+cell

ok
ty
anyone interested in converting an IPB forum to Fireboard? $$$

you there hero

help me please )
hello… in configuration.php $mosConfig_live_site set http://meow-meow.no-ip.org, but i want in order to i can go to site from local net too, with 192.168 ip without internet, how do that ? - i`m from Russia, sorry for my bad english)

hi, I got email from soneone I don't know, asking how to enable rss on his blog, he is using joomla as blog
hola! joomla web host & rss?

hey

too bad, I will recommend wordpress the,

why is rc1 released so early?

Anyone know why when I create a blog Category Menu item, it links to the incorrect page? However, the link that displays within the configuration is correct…. I'm using 1.0.13

hey peeps
what's shaking
a new user needing some help with joomla
i just installed it on a local machine
i wanted a local computer running joomla and sql asp, php etc
so that me and the people are work could connet to it to test code and what not
on the local computer joomla works fine
but we can't see to see the pages on the other computers

and apache etc is running fine?

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
yep
it's running

well if its forbidden sounds like a permission issue

hmm
it's a persmission problem even though it works fine on the local machien but not the others?
any ideas what permissions it could be?

when you view it locally i believe you are viewing it with a users permissions
but you don't have your folder permissions set so that remote users can view it

ahh

did you set all your joomla directories to the correct permissions outlined in the install

hmm
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,37364.0.html
this is what i followed
ok
Pre-install Check Joomla
all the folders where writeable just like the directions said it should

do you have any other pages hosted that you can view on your local intranet?

hi, there ! can anyone tell me how to create an eventcal item from the frontend, please?

files on a network share?

no like does apache host anything else

no

like maybe rename your index.php to index1.php
and create an index.html that says hello world
see if you can see that

k
hmm
doesn't work

must be somethign with the apache setup

i'm also just putting in the ip of machine
ok

hey dudes
is there a module for thiz ? i have a soccer site with 7 teams , each team makes a report of the played game how do i make thiz good and that every team has his own section ?

try league news
go on www.joomla.com in extensions type, league
and you will find some stuff

ok lemme check

hi, first well done. joomla is a great cms.
i have a problem with the gallery module, it says g2_wrong_itemid if i click on a picture on the sidebar

Hello

hey Jack334

I spent hours to get the LDAP Tools working with Joomla Services 1.0, but can't it out. Does someone got this working ?
in 1.5 it works like a charm, but i need usergroups..

any ideas why on the local machine i can view joomla installed on it. but if i put in the ip of the machine of the local machine on a different networked computer i get: Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache/2.0.59 (Win32) DAV/2 PHP/5.2.3 Server at test Port 80
wow
that was some typo

what typo?

of the machine of the local machine
heh
anyway
anyone got any ideas?

sounds like an apache issue

hmm

Forbidenn 403

any ideas where i could start?

is it a 403?

yea

that's strange
you shouldnt be able to see locally neither
how do you access it localy?

it works fine locally

http://localhost?

yea

try http://ip
on the local box

but when i try on the machine next to it
i get that 403 error

try http://ip
on the localbox

yea
that's what i'm using
oh
ok
ahh
get the same thing on the local machine

join #apache

danZenie:
You should tell me what that module is
the slashdot thing man, i cannot find it.
I can find digg diggers and what not

i closed the page
here it is http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,156/Itemid,35/
you need to work on your research skills
what if you were getting paid for this?

vigilant, you there?
can somebody tell vigilant to unignore me please?
i think we've touched on a few delicate topics, but i just want to get some things straight…
so there's no way to misunderstanding, if you know what i mean…

hello
I have some problem with some css
the css with rsgallery
any one knows where to change the css ??

hello!

just rsgallery or all of joomla

how can i change the width of the FrontEnd editor?

whattup
is anyone using allvideos plugin

i izz

any issues
especailly the ones where videos/audio disappear

rsgallery
only

can anyone recommend a joomla extension for an image tooltip or popup? I want the "thumb" image to be a different image than the "popup" image, not just a scaled down version of the "popup" image.

but now I think I have fixed it

hrm, looks like the JCE Utilities could do this. http://www.cellardoor.za.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=55

monoslide can do that as well SunDragon

http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,search/Itemid,35/searchword,monoslide/cat_id,0/
no hits for monoslide

let me try to find the website
http://www.realtyexecutivesluxury.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=55
also i used rockslide for that
and you set the thumb and the popup image seperate

is that your website?
realty?

yes

About Realator should be
About Realtor

good one!
haha
thanks ian_mac

np
just noticed it when I looked, that's all, and your site looks more professional if the spelling is correct

for sure , just finishing it
thanks

anyone has a joomla installation where i can try a couple of things

anyone using older versions of IE
like 5 or 6?
i want to see some screen shots of my site in older versions

at the rs galley lastest photos and ranked.. is it possible to show 5 not 1

sure. url?

found it

greetings
Im seting up my first Joomla community

good night people

hey
You therE?

does anyone else has a non-profit adult community project based on joomla?

yes sir

im having some trouble getting some modules to work the way i need

is the way you need, the way the modules are made to work?

well, alledgedly

yes or no

i am a little bit confused how to change the names from the menus and let that point to other articles or content…

this isn't cour
muh2000, chaning the names is easy

see, i was trying to use CB gallery

muh2000, changing the link means creating a new one

a new menu entry ?

yes sir

aaaahhhhhh ok ^^

but i want to have a registered section collecting all the items in the public gallerys of my users
do i need to find another module for that
?

i really don't know
don't use Cb
their site should have a forum
try there

i see

whatsup dude

just one more question

Can you please tell me that thing we were talking about?
I cannot find it

i pasted the link hours ago

and renaming a menu only click on it and rename ?

2 hours and 10 minutes ago to be exact

I didnt see it
danZenie:
okay
hold on
checking

muh2000, a menu item or the whole menu?
like "Main Menu"

like Main menu

i need a erotic tales section in wich registered users can contribute

you do that unde Module Manager

Site Modules

select "main menu" and change the nam
ename*

withe separate upload your tales, and a tales category section.. any thoughts on how could i implement that?

found it danZenie thank you

np

maybe a higly customized forum module, or a multi-user categorized module?
multi-user categorized blog*

menutyp (i want to add a new one) what is the variable for something like main menu ?

see i dont have problems adding modules and setting them up.. i just need some guidance on what would be the best-practices
im a fast learner and polyglot so i can trade translations for consulting ;p

hmmm ok deleting all menuentrys isnt really good hmmmm

why do you want to delete ALL entries?
are they all bad?
Oysterlink, try the CB online forum

create from scratch ^^

ok, thanx for your time

np
so create a new menu
and add items to it

Menu manager

"New"
once created you will see listed under "Menu"

anyone know how i can get the username via php?

and you can add items there

ok

that's it for me today
be back 2morrow

hf

i see a getuser() call… not a clue how to use it, or even if thats it tho :/

alo?

you are online if thats waht you mean

How can I disable my style sheet when I select the "Print this page" icon? It's still displaying the body background color in the popup

i happen to have seen that earlier, gimme a sec

k, thanks

k.. long sec

no problem, take your time, I have a bunch of stuff to do with this site anyway, just happened to notice that happening

theres some way to tell it different things to do based on the device, screen is defult but you can also set printer

oh, not exactly the same thing
what you're talking about is media="" when you're linking your css file

ahh.. that'd be it
cant you setup an if on that?
oooh. i getcha… you want a printerfriendly page

yea, just when you view it when it pops up
because there aren't any styles on the text, and it's black
and it isn't readable on the body background

right… im afraid i dont know enough php to help

any one have used myblog ??
how do I change this Posted by admin in Untagged
so it be tagged ??
any one know how ??
damn it

anyone using CB

how do I change untagged
in My blog ?
Posted by admin in Untagged so it says

bpjr, aye… probably wont be able to help much tho, im prety new

just looking for a better way to search my users
and maybe a better layout for user profiles?

sorry, im trying to work out how to access the fields myself… and how to get rid of the CB begging page on the profiles

It not says wich category I have saved it in

id like to be able to generate some sort of statistics based on the answer fields

tabs

supergreg, stil laround? i had someone at my door and got completely side tracked
www.forgemodels.com
im interested in the top half

bpjr?

yes
hey Dr whats up

just trying to see what my site looks like with older browsers

ahh

i keep having girls tell me they dont see a sign up in the header

tabs directed at me?.. coz i dont see anything relevent there

how about putting a link to update their browsers

drdigital do u know why ??

MnME
what is it you need to do

erm.. im not sure if you were answering something i said or not… i mentioned wanting to be able to generate stats, and wanting to get rid of the CB begging link in the profile tabs

it says Posted by admin in Untagged the categories is not displayed like Posted by admin in News

i believe u need to purchase a liscense to remove that

if you were directing me to the menu settings to get rid of the beg page…. i found it, thanks

are u talking about the About Community Builder tab?

aye, iv got a page for that sort of stuff in my site info section, dont want it actually in the profile… gone now tho

how did u remove it?

hmm any one know a good blog system for joomla ??

Menu then its the second text field on the right.. just leave it blank

'First Sub-Menu Name:'
oh… first one too

aye

is theres a Latest blog in mamblog ??

anyone know where i can find some CB profile templates
im using COMMUNITY BUILDER - Advanced Search Component
and when i click on search i get, You are not authorized to view this page!
its set to public

Deactivate Access?
in main config

Hi guys, im trying to install joomla, i go give permissions to the dir, and it still doesnt make it writable

777?

do i need to rename configuration.php-dist configuration.php?

shouldnt

k
k i chmod 777 jooladir and still unwriteable

u may need to check with your host
who is your host

im my host

ok lol

:P
huh
weird
ok, I have to restart apache
well chmod only gave the configuration.php rights, not the save path

randoman you should check your file ownership

k

Does anyone know why when I create new menu items sometimes, the link provided in the menu (rendered html) isn't the same link as what appears under the menu item configuration
index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=44, but its only displaying index.php?option=com_facileforms

hey if joomla is in chroot dir, chrooted. and mysql isnt chrooted, and i enter the info into joomba and it gives me incorrect user and pass, that means its commuincating between the 2 right?
or would it do that, if its no talking to each other?
humm i keep getting incorrect password
so guys, If I want to run joomla in the chroot dir. do I have to install mysql to the chroot enviorment

where is the menu to edit the positions?.. i know iv seen it but i cant find it again?!

the menu manager (in 1.5)
err
maybe module locations
or somethin

running v1
ahha… hiding in the template manager
when all else fails… RTFM

greetings
if you mouse over an icon, clickable text links appear below it

sounds like a job for java to me, tho im not exactly what youd call an expert

ok

you mean like a pulldown menu?

no
not pulldown

'like'

like you see an icon called "services" and when you put your mouse over it, some services appear on the screen that are links

coz.. google for 'html pulldown menu tutorial' should give ya all the components, just hack it to do what you want

i just dont want them to be a drop down menu. more like they just appear in whitespace on the page

ahh… tricky one

yeah
I thought it would look cool

yeah, it would…. would be prety impressive too… but as with most impressive things, i dont have a clue how to go about doing it

ok

ANY one awake ??
I have some problem with a design and ie

ello

hmm I hate ie

I hate lynx
not really I just wanted to add something
anyone had the problem where they upload joomla from a local install, copy the DB from local to prod, hook it up and then when they log in, it tells you that you need to login
but if you use an incorrect username and password it gives you the proper error

morge

Hello someone here

nope
but 75 or so are
i just dont see a someone in the buddy list

lol
i have this eror
La page XML ne peut pas être affichée
Impossible d'afficher l'entrée XML en utilisant la feuille de style XSL. Corrigez l'erreur, puis cliquez sur le bouton Actualiser ou réessayez ultérieurement.
——————————————————————————–
Le symbole point-virgule était attendu. Erreur de traitement de la ressource http://www.clubbingmaroc.com/administrator/index2.php?option=com_content§ionid=0. Ligne 32, Position 127
['img src="../includes/js/ThemeOffice/config.png" /','Configuration du Site','index2.php?option=com_config&hidemainmenu=1',null,'Configuration'],
——————————————————————————————————————————^
who can help me plz

hello!
how can i set the width of my editor?

hi

boo
?? admin0

admin0[x]: No definition found for word.

?? faq

Please see: http://help.joomla.org, http://help.joomla.org/component/option,com_easyfaq/Itemid,268 and http://www.joomlafaq.com

?? joomlabot

USER] | ** SEARCH | !g KEYWORD (for google) | If you are serious about to add /msg flg | !learn add KEYWORD TEXT | !learn rep KW {index} TEXT | !learn del KW | Try me, hope it helps a little.

flg, i want to add definition of modules, extensions etc

admin0

is there any way toset that menu items are not shown unless you have logged in?
to set*

add it in the users menu
yes
there is a way

yeah, but I want it the ordinary menu.

let me enable my wamp here and guide you
ther eis a way
one moment

okey!
brb.. phone call..

Foley, when you add a new menu, in the bottom of the page, you see ACCESS LEVEL .. set it to REGISTERED and only then people who login can see it

thanks..
well. the menuitem stands as special, and its still showing..

change it to REGISTERED
and see what happends
logout first or use a different browser to check

i am not logged in at the frontend
i can access it, but the menu item is still showing.

hey guys, how do I get apache not to show the contents of the joomla folder
?

Hi all

htaccesss?

?

randoman, remove Indexes from apache.conf .. or pass it via .htaccess
Options -indexes #put this line in your .htaccess in that folder
ad it will not list

well see apache is show the folder that houses index.php

got a new idea for me?

what happened ?
show me the URL .. let me see
it will NOT show the content
but will show the menu item

nothing. the menu item is still there. its local..
yeah

to not show a menu item, create a new menu item and make its access REGISTERED

that i know. but i dont want the menuitems to be shown..
i guess i have to…

not sure
hmm .. maybe you will need some extensions for this
check navigation extensions.joomla.org

i just wanted one menu to edit, not two..
yeah..

how do i get a person using an old IE to find what version of ie it is
im on a mac so i cant look

help-about ?
DrDigital:

i told them
waiting
thanks
my windows box is down right now

Foley, http://extensions.joomla.org/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=listcats&cat_id=1788&Itemid=35

i use extended menu now..
very pleased with that menu
anyone used the "Exact Access Level" function in extended menu with luck?
banyone used the "Exact Access Level" function in extended menu with luck? /b

Blocks for Puppy linux based hosting services but not sure which package to download, any ideas?

looks like a perl module

7 dell29 sshd[5992]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory
checked the perms on 'everything else'

so did you fix it

anyone know the answer to my question?

Authentication succeeded (publickey).
yay!
yes.
thanks for the moral support
and the "look at logs" which I had done, just not the right one. your prodding make me figure out which to look at
watch -ds ls -l /var/log

what are you two talking about?

or you can use magic like 'tail -f /var/log/messages'

I did, but that was "not the right one."
now was syslog
er, nor was…

ya, thats probably because errors are not info but warn

tail /var/log/auth.log
that was where I found it

and if you look at your syslog.conf you'll see warn goes to syslog
or that

i just watched for what changed size…. which is lame, but effective

if it works it works

Do you know the answer to my question?

anyone have any idea why bash_logout might not be read/executed

hello, Ill be taking a online linux evaluation exam in 30min, and wanted to know if you ppl could help me with some questions?

hey all

hi

anyone here know any good chan besides #samba for help with mod_auth_winbind?
mod_auth_ntlm_winbind I should say

the chan seems to be a bit idle, and I cant help

I guess I should try efnet then, tkx

Hi ! How to increase the upload_max_filesize on the apache server hosting ? what file i need to go to modify to 200M instead of 2M
Maybe it is not in the apache server.. maybe its on a php file

is it possible to print from linux to a computer with vista thats sharing a printer without using a username and password for the work group?

Hi. How would I copy all the files that match a grep search, to a certain other directory? For example, the following does not work: find . | xargs grep -l "foobar" | xargs cp somedirectory

the second xargs won't do what you want… Say the commands before generate "file1" and "file2" - the commandline would become "cp somedirectory file1 file2"
Which obviously isn't what you want
Also, grep can run recursively by itself, no need to have a find in there
Something like this should do for you:
for file in `grep -rl foo`; do cp $file /bar; done

find . -name '*foobar*' -exec cp '{}' /some/dir \;

I think loquitus_of_borg wants to find "foobar" inside the file contents, not in the filename

ohh, you want to grep inside of the files

Unless I mistook that

nevermind

Any idea how to modify my command to do what I want? find . | xargs grep -l "foobar" | xargs cp somedirectory

….
Did you read what I wrote?

oops. let me see that.

try explaining as to what you want to do

I apologize but I simplified what I wanted to do not realizing the solution you give might not work then. I basically want to first find all files that have "foo" in them… then, among these found, found those that also have "bar" in them… and then, copy each of those found files to some other place.
xargs grep -l "foo" | xargs grep -l "bar"

Well
You're going to run into various problems with xargs most likely

'foo in them' = foo in their content, or their filename?

It won't pass an infinite number of arguments, for one (it'll split it up into multiple calls to the binary), which can be a pain to debug sometimes

content.
not filename

Honestly I'd probably end up writing some perl/python/ruby to do it if it were me, making system calls to grep where necessary

hmm. ok. I was under the impression I could tell xargs at the end of my original question, to somehow "parametrize" what is being passed from the pipe so that I could so sometthing like xargs cp $1 somedirectory

Could be, I've never used it that way though. The manpage should tell you (or someone else here, of course)
Anyway, good luck, I'm afk

thanks

hey all, kernel patching/compilation question: is there a reason why options that should be added to config (by patches) would be absent when you configure your kernel?
can someone give me an example of how to append output to a certain line in a file? is tee what I need?

So, you've got a file that has (let's say) 10 lines, and you want to append something to the end of line 5?

sed -i '5s/$/something/' file /* assumes GNU sed (linux) */

how about something like sending the output of cat /proc/version to the 10th line of a file. thanks by the way.

just put the string into a variable and use that instead of 'something'
and use weak quotes for sed

Hi, anyone knows how to upload file via FTP to a remote host non-interactively. That is, from within a script?

check out 'expect'
actually, most ftp clients can read commands literally from a file, check that too

'expect' ?

a scripting language for interactive environments

I'm using ftp -u ftp://username:password@host/ /srv/www/htdocs/some_file
but then it reports that it can't find the local file name??

depends on the syntax your client expects. perhaps you need a dest filename? wput can do that if you don't need a whole interactive session

hmmm nevermind, I was using PHP to generate a file , might as well use it for upload.

OK, so I've got this damnsmalllinux box, installed to the HD, and I can't get the hostname to change. As per the docs I've found, I changed /etc/hosts, /etc/init.d/hostname, and I issued the 'hostname' command, but when I reboot, the hostname comes back as the default 'box' and the machine bitches about not being able to resolve the hostname properly.
did someone forget to make the init.d scripts run the hostname.sh script on startup, maybe?

can anyone recommend on a SIP VoIP client other than ekiga?

Zap-W: twinkle, wengo, gizmo, linphone, kphone and a few others….. all pretty much the same…..
none of them match the quality of skype imho

skype supports SIP?

Component 'menu image'
TBH, im supprised theres no upload button

calimer- done i have modified in the .css

nice work

i cant remember off the top of my head, but its either /administrator/images or /includes/js/ThemeOffice

probably the latter, wouldnt have thaught to look there (and theres a bunch of stuff in the admin/images/)

yeah i know it doesnt make sense, its one of the first things with Joomla that wasn't logical i noticed- it may be different from v1.5 onwards

oh.. theres a bunch of stuff in themeoffice too :/

themeoffice seems to have all the smaller icons
administrator/images seems to have the toolbar and component logos

that popup should list everything i can see right?
or am i on the wrong end of the stick again

popup?

menu image [-do not use-] when ya click it it pops up a selection box/menu… only its not populated :/

are you setting menu images for front-end content?

menu image

mine are being picked up from images/stories
I get a list - articles.jpg, asterisk.jpg, etc etc

ahhh.. that would make sence

you have file there?

lol I always delete all those
they look rubbish

haven't bothered on that install…
it is only for testing

doh… for some reason im not owner of that dir
should be able to upload via media manager tho.. or something

yeah… that is the default directory for media manager

oh good god… one file at a time!??!… guess im gunna have to get onto the server admin and get that owner changed eh

use ftp

if you had JoomlXplorer you could delete the directory and create it with ftp…

oh… i do
i think… seen the name b4
tho, the list in question doesnt seem to be picking up the file i dumped there

sure you put it in the right place?

not entierly
media manager shows one .jpg in /stories… ftp however does not

/images/stories, right?

in ftp yes

odd

if i go to banners (same level) i get the same content

you're on the right server?
what ftp client?
do you need to refresh your view?

winscp
only got one server, so yup
tried refresh.. will give re-connect a shot
k.. ftp sees it now
thats an odd one.. will have to remember that

must have been caching or something

still nothing in the menu image host list tho :./
yup. thats getting em from ./stories
damnit.. what'd i break this time

really need to get ops in this place at some point

only if theres trouble
have put all the origional files back in /stories … still nothing tho :/
eek!.. new content items dont show anything in the gallery eithor
no images… at least the site will load fast eh

OOPz, http://www2.beddamatrix.net/2/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=29 i can't understend how to post in this forum
you can help me plz ?

i cant read that, only speak english.. but.. my guess, you need at least one category, then add at least one forum to that category

new

for both
to add a affordable forum services select the category as a parent

i have add one category
and i can view inside forum.. but user can't post in this category

add a forum to the category

i must click on new and select on parent the category ?

yup

ok tnx a lot|

no probs

hello how to get rid off Joomla! est un logiciel libre distribué sous licence GNU/GPL. plz

Le-Moche: why do you want to get rid off it… And yeap it's GNU/GPL licence….

ok

how can i create a third level in my website, i mean an area which is not to be seen unles i give special permission for, i have already a registered user level, but i nee i third one

is there a big list with all the mos php calls somewhere?
php echo mos#####;?

do you mean all calls or all functions?

function probably
Paty, Category Manager has a thing that says 'public' after all cat name
you just build everything asif it were public and then set the permission for each section later
the site modules settings have them too

yes but the problem is that i do not want registered user to see that section, unless i give them specific permissions for it through email, how can get this

try
http://pastebin.ca/628776

oh wow… thanks

some may not be available in all contexts
I just did a grep for function mos* in my Joomla! directory
you will also get class constructors there as well, which you can't really call directly

oh right… i dunno if theres a proper way to do it
ian_mac, figuring out these arguements could be fun

http://pastebin.ca/628783
there it is with filepaths

i guess only the ones in include will be usable

for the most part…

http://platinumarts.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=50

Hello i want to post many article in 1st page how to do please
no one ?

check the front page box on the publishing tab on all of them?

yes
but they dont appear
all
only 3 :s

ah, there's probably a setting somewhere for how many items appear on the front page

change the parameters to specify how many articles should appear
the parameter is in the menu editor

ian_mac main menu ?

yep
edit the Front Page menu item
you will see the parameters on the right
# Leading
# Intro
Columns
# Links

yes found it
ty

np

and can i change the order right ?
ian_mac

sure
the parameters are right below there

ian_mac http://joomla.org.in/doc/nav.html?_functions/index.html
no help on using em still :/

ian_mac in the samed page where i configured how many items can i post ?

yep

which … ?

OOPz - yeah, the docs for 1.0 are sparse
Le-Moche - which what?

i what should i change to put them in the order i want

the category order or the primary order

Sorting by categories ?

if you want
just look at the parameters and they should make sense
if they don't ask then…

Le-Moche just ran into http://www.joomlart.com/tutorials/templates_tutorial/mambo_layout.html i think itll help you a lot

ty OOpz
is there in french ?

oh right.. forgot about that

ok

the backend is translated though, right?

backend ?

administrator control panel
your best bet is to spend a couple of hours exploring the options and experimenting with what they do
you will learn a lot that way, and become more comfortable with the system

ian_mac i tried everything to change order but nothing works :s

what values have you set for Category Order and Primary Order?
and what order do you want?

i want the order that i put in the Articles
there is a buttoon to choose where i want them

all content items

little blue up/down arrows
i think anyway.. not tried it
anyone have any tips for a gallery module?. i need something that is sectionable and will allow non-image files such as mp3, fonts etc
preferably with rating and/or comment

How do I edit the footer in Joomla?

Hi folks. I'd like to allow my registered site visitors to choose their template and language (with JoomFish), so that their chosen settings are stored and active next time they log in. Is there an easy way of achieving this?
In other words, I'd like Joomla to remember the values chosen through Template Chooser and JoomFish for the registered users.

hi i want something that i post in it news
and when someone clik on the news it opens a forum

This chatroom must have the lowest messages/members-ratio on the whole of freenode I don't remember seeing very many discussions or answers around here !

no one ?
i want something that i post in it news
and when someone clik on the news it opens a forum

Hi folks. I'd like to allow my registered site visitors to choose their template and language (with JoomFish), so that their chosen settings are stored and active next time they log in. Is there an easy way of achieving this?
In other words, I'd like Joomla to remember the values chosen through Template Chooser and JoomFish for the registered users.

blah

blah-blah

doh… not just wrong window.. not even wrong application….. even worse.. not wrong screen eithor…… WRONG COMPUTER!

ow. are you even the right person?

heh.. i think so

Hi folks. I'd like to allow my registered site visitors to choose their template and language (with JoomFish), so that their chosen settings are stored and active next time they log in. Is there an easy way of achieving this?
In other words, I'd like Joomla to remember the values chosen through Template Chooser and JoomFish for the registered users.

you could achieve that by setting a cookie for each user, or optionally save it in their profile (if logged in).. takes a little php knowledge

Well,yeah, I thought so…no ready made hack/module out theer that achieves the same?

no idea yet on how to create a level in my justo let people download pictures after they have paid

not sure about joomfish, but most of the paid template clubs offer this kind of preferences recalling on their templates, might be a good place to start. I use Rockettheme, and people get a lot of that kind of assistance at their forum
]joomla jed @ Paty

JED is Joomla Extensions Directory, see: http://extensions.joomla.org

you should browse the subscription category, Paty

cheers, supergreg, i'll have a look!

i am now logged in my site as registered user and i have set one contem item to special use, and i can not seen the content item what kind of user is special user

authors and above are all in the special group

which module must i publish for special ones wher do they loo in, in the same module of registered users?
it works i have created an account with author rights and set one conten item to special and this just to be seen if you log in as author, perfect just what i need
uit works i have created an account with author rights and set one conten item to special and this just to be seen if you log in as author, perfect just what i need/u

correct me if i am wrong, mambo 4.5 was joomla first version?

is there any extensions for online dating with joomla?

sleeping or what ?

1

hellon
i want to make like the first page lot of time

any one around
or is the channel dead

WAKE UP

;]]

augustinas hello Augustinas

hello Le-Moche hello

you know well in jooomla ?

yeap

im around too

well i want to make a page like the main one but with different things

im not sure i follow exactly

frontpage ?
you can copy your frontpage in menu editor :}

but i want to make different things

yeah, and after you copy it

how to do ?

you can customize it

does joomla offer any online dating extensions?

waht should i do 1st

that support everything?

d-media yes

nice where at?
I was looking at this http://www.boonex.com/products/

on joomla.org extensions listings

but I don't know how hard it would be to customize the design of it

I think it's commercial

whats commercial?

you can copy your frontpage in menu editor :}

but what will be in main page will be in the other
no ?

yes ;]
it will be the same

what dating extensions do you guys use?

i think ;]

or recommened I can't even find it in there directory

augustinas i don't want it to be the same :s

d-media : http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,979/Itemid,35/ ?
Le-Moche thereis some extensions

like what ?

for customizing your home page
*front-page

augustinas i dont want to customize my front page

hmm
reviews say its very buggy
I think I"ll be better using the dolpin open source dating script

i only want a compenent that make same as the main page

any one heard of this one
http://www.boonex.com/products/

d-media - http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,2638/Itemid,35/ ?
d-media I think that BooonEXXX or wahtever it's sucks
all dating websites sucks :"(

how long does it usually take to customize the design of this dating ttemplate with joomla

Le-Moche then just copy your front-page and that's all

augustinas but i ll have the same writing twice no ?

d-media It could take a hour
a day or a month
(:
also depends how good are ya or how mutch money you have ;]]

joomla rocks
so you guys use joomla at work?

at the moment i'm workin` on wp )

nice

lol, I'ma liitle tyred of joomla (:

think I just had a clinet want a customized application
but
I'm going to recommended
joomla to them
at first

yeah, also it's easy to develop custom plugins for it

but
I think
this dating thing
not going to work for her
shes wanting
something very scaleable
so could be 25k plus
if you know what i mean
I own a web dev company, and we just started using joomla, I'm very happy with it.

i own a company too :"(
but not happy with joomla
I've been workin` with mambo from early stages

y

after with joomla
and i'ma sick out of joomla
*
btw
d-media do you have any site ?

augustinas you dont know any componenet thay let me post article and image next to it ?

you can do it by default with joomla

Anyone able to give me any pointers on www.forgemodels.com for better meta tags, to help get better search engine results? im not using joomla with this project, but i use it with everything else

augustinas but not in main page

DrDigital, lol, you deserved a ban ((:

joomla couldnt do this
unless i used an extension that cost $1450

Le-Moche the main page, it's a component that comes with joomla
'frontpage'

and wasnt able to really customize it

ok

Le-Moche but the frontpage component only parses the news and blogs
from your categories or sections

I will Explain u

if tou want a custom 'first' page, you can replace it

I want to put in the menu
I want to put VPS in the menu
when u clik on it u have image with article

Then put as first page
and it will be the first page

but i dont want it in front page :s

add a static content, then go to menu editor, chose tour menu, click on "new"
select static content, place a name
publish

ok

and there ya go

i ll try

;]

ty

np

what u mean by static content ?
because my joomla is in french :s

;]

:s

ok i need a rr ;]

rr ?
augustinas u dont know component where i can write names when u clik it gives me the profile of the name ?
ouops
augustinas u dont know component where i can write names when u clik it gives me the profile of the name ?

profiler

ok ty
but this show the registred user ?

http://rinkimai.tvarka.lt/index.php?sort=active&Itemid=40&option=com_peoplebook&func=list&search=LOWER%28name%29+LIKE+%27%25%27&previous_term=&previous_field=name&search_status=%25&search_category=%25&sort_field=tel&sort_order=ASC

you wan't like this one ?

yes but its me who add the persons

yeah yeah

this is good

once again
use google
or joomla.org extensions directory
;]
or a CDE
http://www.joomlaos.de/Downloads/Joomla_und_Mambo_Komponenten/PeopleBook.html

ty

would you guys give a fixed price out on a custom application development? or just strictly go by the hour until its done?
would you guys give a fixed price out on a custom application development? or just strictly go by the hour until its done?

I prefer a fixed ;]

Yea
True, but sometimes a fixed could be hard to deal with
depending on what they need
if you know what I mean

depends the size of project yes.
mostly fixes
*fixed

hmm

only on big projects u cant overview

what do you mean overview?

to know all in advance
*not

Good custom software can be a big help to your business. Getting good custom software can be difficult. While there are many very good programmers, software developers, as a group, do a lousy job. Two-thirds of all very large software projects fail, and are never put into production. Of those
that are completed, 90% are at least 50% over budget. Smaller projects fare a little better, but the failure rate is still staggering. Would you put
lol read that
do you work at a web dev programming firm?

yes and no, on my own

I see
hmm
do you do projects like

hmm

20-25k?
I mean large projects?

i had

yea
hmm

;]]]

I talk to a lot of web companies
that try to stay away from

but w/bigger team and employed

custom programming and they use out of the box software

lol

the largest project was about 500 bucks :"(

:o
i do only custom, using a good base

maybe we are so stupid, I don't know :"(

if its not custom, they could do it on theirself kinda

haha, lol

yea
developers
can make
100k plus a year
with custom programmong jobs

I've been studin` web developing about 10 years ;]]

speaking you get good hourly pay
nice

and still no big projects ;]

lol
I get them every day
25-50k quotes
which
I'm in the top 5
for website design
and other terms
we need more developers
or need anohter one I should say

how mutch people do you have in firm ?

augustinas where from?

from Lithuania
(:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania

:P

there ya go ;]]]

not the big money there ?
i mean small counts

amm yes and no

kk

we are developin` our projects

its getting better i think

not lookin` for new clients
we're not the classic profile of what the ladies want ))
ok, sleep time, bye

:P

hello how can i make my custom news boxs in joomla

what? RC!!!
awesome
I should read my RSS feeds more often

man, crazy japs http://www.existenz.se/out.php?id=4817

wow that is impressive

anyone know what typeface/font is used in the joomla logo?
nevermind, finally found it

what is it?

asenine

interesting
so i have some 1.5 beta 1 sites is there an upgrade to rc1?
meh I'll just slaper into subversion and over write the files

hi everybody
well nice to see that the chat is still alive

what's up pedro?

well is there any magician here who can tell me when joomla 1.5 is gonna be ready.i know…when it is ready.but just have to say that it is looking very good

well RC1 was released today
so RC2 should be in August
and stable should be in September
but will probably drag out till October

well lets say 2008…
ehh

yea I don't see it being released after October
that would be 1 year in beta

it is no longer in beta…

i instaled it just to try and it look very good,,the design is so nice

it is no in RC

true
Someone should update the channel topic

nobody here has ops…

yea i know

what about sef is joomla gonna have a defined sef.i mean sef extension that can do what the othrs sef extension do

what are you after pedro?

i like 1.5's core sef ability myself

the big issue around joomla nowadays is the fight betwen the commercial and non comercial extension,just hope this debate will not spoil things

what I missed that one

ya llok like the comercial extensions developers are furious

seeing joomla works with open source matters, i don't think commercial extensions will take over
oh cause they have to actually fix their extensions
lazy bastards
might have to work to earn your money

i belive open source is the key,just dont thnk the comercial side should overtake the all spirt

hey… easy…
most of the proprietary developers I know work their asses off

well they do their work,,and deserve their merits,but lets ,,,see things well

ah I release all my work open source then charge for customization

that's a different business… and not one that works for everyone

i know

myself been with joomla since day one,,and really things improve a lot.i dont now much or any code or something but now i am able do do the basics

is there a way in 1.5 I can get the sef urls to replace %20's with _'s

well i believe the devep of joomla should receive some kind of money…but this is a very delicate subject

I buy a t-shirt from the store for my clients when i create their site in joomla

i would give something but i dont have any online payment method

crazy - use aliases

really lots of people mainly in africa dont have online payment methods

hey pedro, that's no problem…
there are many other ways to contribute as well

oh rad

patches, documentation, helping in various workgroups etc…

well my case i am not of much help really,have no skills at all, but iam everyday with joomla,almost everyday i visit the joomla site to learn

I have mad skills, I just have to learn the changes in 1.5 so I can write extensions again
I've got two 1.5 projects waiting for 1.5 to become more mature. I think today is the day I'll start the planning phase for them.

we're at bug fix only now, so now would be as good a time as any

well maybe i have been too lazy not to learn more

I'm also doing a dating site for a client, I don't see him making any money on it

not at all pedro..

my site is just for fun

he all like "dating sites are really popular right now" and I'm all like yea so we don't need another one

not for make money at all

there are no strings with Joomla!, so there is no expectation that you contribute
but if you are interested, we can find a way

but that is what joomla is about easy to understand

crazy - that is funny
but I guess you don't know until you try

what do you think? there is enough or there is still big money?
like this site is basically just a copy of match
meh I'll put in my proposal anyway

for example some extensions should be default in joomla. a good editor,forum,gallery,cmment system

i'm actually with you on some of that

really joomla need a good commenting extension.i know there some good paid ones

I think tinyMCE is a good editor though

have you tried yvComment?

look at wordpress the comment system is so nice

we don't need more stuff packed into Joomla!

what joomla needs is subversioning of content

we need extensions that can make Joomla! do whatever you want

yvcomment is new one,,havent reaally lok at it

crazy - versioning has been talked about. Not subversioning, but version control in some form
but, one step at a time

i know i was part of that discussion
i had a project that was perfect for joomla but it needed version control
so I had to use drupal

that's too bad…

any way http://www.acaciasrubras.org/index.php this is my site tell me if u dont mind what you think about it

probably took me longer to figure out drupal than just write a version control system

hey Crazy where are you from? you on shaw?

Maple Ridge
where are you from?

toronto

oh that is far away

reason I asked was that I saw you were on Shaw cable…

yes

= canadian

that is correct, my neighbours wireless to be exact

ah… I won't tell anyone

its okay I've changed their password on their router

eeeeeeeeeeh bad boy

they have not seemed to mined in the last 6 months

funny…
I'm sure they won't notice as long as they can still use it…

how harsh of comments can I give you?

but does not it reduce their speed

i dont think they use the internet for anything more than email
and yea they have shaw xtreme

probably a fast enough link that it wouldn't make muh difference
he shaw extreme would do it

10 Mb download speed and 1 Mb up

that's a LOT of email!

yea

well gents, I must be off

shaw nitro is 25m down

have fun with 1.5!

i so want it
ok pedro99 back to your site

crazy675 is teh site so bad?

well, talk your neighbour into getting it?

no I like the design
and I'll tell you what you need to make better
1 - I can barley see the "Benguela na Internet" in the header you need to make it a more contrasting color
I'm looking at it in FF btw
2 - your main menu goes off the side of the template

see

i don't like the one column then two column then three column

i se different in firefox and in internet explorer
damm it
maybe you should suggest a quick fixe,,,ehh

you should always do your design in firefox or opera first then work out the IE bugs
ff has the web developer toolbar to make your life super easy

i use this extension
ya the main menu i have to unpublish one

other than that I like your site its better than the majority of sites I see

but my idea is to make a magazine style
i got sick of the 3 columm templates

or you could reduce the padding of the main menu on the left side
is the site in Joomla?

ya
it is

hey, i've been wondering this for some time but i don't want to ask it on the fourms. How do you get people to help with your Joomla! Extenstion?

i use atemplante from rockettheme

how did you stop the /administrator ?
I love it

which administrator
i have unpublished one menu item i think it is now fine

well when you go yourdomain.com/administrator it doesn't go to joomla admin

that's problay due to server configuration

apache

http://www.acaciasrubras.org/administrator/index2.php
it does

no
http://www.acaciasrubras.org/administrator/

what iam sick is the sef extension i use,sometimes the links work others not

?

you need to put index.php

ah

there is some very good templantes for what i am trying to do,,but they are all paid

what project management software does everyone use?
I've just been using a wiki

(i'm kidding on the last part)

well i really need to make a better header
just download fireworks now,,but bad luck the demo is not working

http://mapleridgewebdesign.com/ thats me

your look so tidy

I made the site so all colour was controlled through css

simple but very professional

http://kelownawebdevelopment.ca http://summerlandwebdesign.com

…how do you get people to help with your Joomla! Extenstion?

you ask?

ask ask ask ask is teh key
i used to ask a lot
really a lot

and wait till a guy who has actually used that extension comes around
band wait till a guy who has actually used that extension comes around/b
unless you are just making your own then thats easy
?? components

an overview of components, modules and mambots http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,25317.0.html & http://www.joomlaos.de

?? extention

extention[x]: No definition found for word.

your css site is so tyde is simple and does not have many core joomla css

?? custom

custom[x]: No definition found for word.

Yea no tables either
i re-wrote com_content and took out all the tables
only took about an hour
they all share a database so you update an article/page in one they all get updated
I put my name instead of the domain name so I would have to change that
I have not yet optimized it for IE
cause I hate IE

internet explorer sucks

i'm making a gallery component

joomla is really full of gallery extensions good ones

yea whats wrong with these 92 gallery components? http://extensions.joomla.org/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=listcats&cat_id=1779&Itemid=35

i know people always look to put they personal touch

those are almost all modules

nick,,which sef extension are you using

ah
opensef

but it is paid

no
I don't pay for anything

rsgallery is the only full joomla component (non-bridge) and it sucks.

but the free open sef was abondoned i think
or am i wrong

um maybe I'll check
i've not used it since 1.5 came out

i use sh404SEF

?? opensef

opensef.org - the way to SEF

where is the link to it

seems kinda dead alright

really it is a must for joomla
ya nick i heard there is a problem with the developer,,,fell apart with joomla

wow it was really good software at the time
oh well we don't need it in 1.5 anyway
from this point on I'm developing in 1.5 only

but does it really help
i rad at your site that you are expert about this sef stuffs

work smart not hard
SEO stuff

the ideal is not work at all
eeeeeh
seo what is that
thought it was about sef

Search Engine Optimization I consider SEF as Search Engine Friendly URLs

nusef is the new version of opensef

oh really!

but the objectives are the same,,make people fiind you
nusef where is it

awesome thanks
Anyway I have to get to work
I'm not a millionaire yet

nick nice to meet you
see you around

nusef = opensef in code right now

so it is not ready yet

http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/nusef/
read the news there

got it
look really in pre stages but nice to see tha someone took over the project not letting it die

hey supergreg

help. our website was hacked.
he was able to changed the configuration.php.
erased the whole content. I have backup of configuration.php. do i need to change some values?

if its backed up then you shouldnt
but they probable changed all your database
but of course you have that backed up as well

ok. thanks.

hay can someone help me with this mambo problem i'm getting; http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=93352&highlight=mattycoze

this is joomla
mambo is like satan or hitler here

what version?

supergreg version of mambo?
yeah sorry guys, but i can't find help anywhere else
besides it's sorta open source lol
…. give me some credit
supergreg i got mambo 4.6.2

http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,10985.0.html

i cant remember how to compress a directory on linux
into one file

morge

I am battling with installation of php - it requires libxml2 and that is a bit of a hazzle. Now, what happens if i just disable xml - will Joomla run?

for adding a user

is there a way to make the frontpage a module position where the module would only be viewable if you were viewing the homepages?

qaz… ?!
u can assign to which pages a module should show up

yeh i assigned it to the homepage but is there module position for the main center portion of the frontpage?
ah, i got it, thanks for your help
im lacking sleep

yw… also u could use a mambot to put modulepositions.
module (-) position bot
to have them called from content item(s)

hay guys i'm having trouble inserting a field in jos_users
i'm missing the activation and params field, and i need to insert them somehow
…. using PHPMySQL Admin program

huh? should be in default install
u want to add user fields?
custom?
use CB

nah, didn't it's php 5

so?

… just how do you do it?

do what?

hi all who can help me please i create a table but when i see on the browser the size is wrong i don't know why

add the fields in a MySQL database using that PHPMyAdmin

no nice going to just chg core stuff
use CB if ye want additional userfields.
thats all

okay - thanks

who can help me please?

soso

hello?
anybody here?

whats cb ?

hi
cb = community builder

freaky nice CB
props to beat

hi
is there any good PHP programmer who would like to take a short look at some code lines (around 10 lines) I added to an existing GPL Module for joomla which does WHOIS-Requests (domain lookup)
bis there any good PHP programmer who would like to take a short look at some code lines (around 10 lines) I added to an existing GPL Module for joomla which does WHOIS-Requests (domain lookup)/b

you need to patch it in
http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/

Then the fb code doesn't find a font.

you run memtest and tell it to generate a badram line, and then you add that to your grub boot

carebear\: haha i new what the options were, i just didnt know what the yellow% useflags were

What do you mean? A conf file is looking for a font that doesnt exist?

There are options to add a couple of different fonts in the fb config. I used to like Pearl a lot when I used fb.
uThere are options to add a couple of different fonts in the fb config. I used to like Pearl a lot when I used fb./u
What grknight said. The font needs to be in the kernel.

k ffollowed the link…i'll have to do some searching and learning b4 i understand how to do what u just told me , lol

hi

console display driver support

hihi … sleepless?

you need memtest86, its available on the bootcd

quick question:anyone knows a program to view .cbz (comic book zipped) files under linux?
yeah kinda reading heise trollposts on adminday lately

its probably just a zip file, unzip

Quoting man emerge: % suffix = newly added or removed

as a matter of fact it is

hehe

but I dont want to unzip 100 files of which each has 30 files all named 001-030.jpg in it

Select Compiled-in fonts?

That's the one.

yes, and i have the systemrescuecd, and ubuntu's memtest v 1.65 is already in my grub menu list

Again, I like Pearl.

Pilot, yeah.. turn that on and grab the 2 VGA ones

Please just get rid of the RAM.

I guess make it built-in right? By the way, what conf file selects what font Im using

so has anyone seen an error such as http://rafb.net/p/C7jVOL12.html?

lol I guess I get the font options after?

Write a small shell script.

CareBear\: hmm I just hoped someone picked up the queue and wrote a little viewer for that …

hey guys.

what about you?

CareBear\, u don't think Staticwave_Ace 's badram thingy will work?

how do I find out if lilo is on my mbr?

there are viewers for it according to google…

I've heard rumors about such viewers

I mean why you're still awake
hu? I googled and all I found was for windows…
hmm maybe I googled wrong

I'm just at my normal biological time … it's early evening for me

comicmaster says it's GPL and works on linux

the advantages of a shifted sleep pattern

oh compiling is running already long time now kerframil I guess its working

LOL
take comical
it's even in portage .

carebear\: yeah, thanks

I'm sure it will work, but it will take a lot of time to get that data from memtest, and more importantly memtest may not neccessarily find all the bad RAM cells on the first few runs, and with use even more cells may break if the stick is on the verge already.

ok I just prove myself of being stupid

do not underestimate the power of portage …

Germans always do

DJGummikuh, or qcomicbook

Do not underestimate the size of The Tree

I never shall again
lol

dd if=/dev/hda bs=16 count=1
Look for LILO

ok, i believe i understand…i guess i'll have to stop this installation & open my box

dd if=/dev/hda bs=16 count=1|xxd
Sorry, forgot xxd

CareBear\, what exactly does that command do?

Glad you asked!

:F

last but not least never underestimate the size of the man s little friend

read out the first 16 bytes of your hard disk and parses them through xxd
read out the first 16 bytes of your hard disk and parses them through xxd

s/:F//

that's slightly off topic I assume

ok
btw a BIG thank u

alright.. going to run the command now

never underestimate the tenacity with which Gentoo ops will stick you to the topic!

lol it really works

It reads sixteen bytes from the start of the master device on the primary IDE controller and feeds them through the program xxd (part of vim) which will print the bytes hexadecimal and textual values.

and while i'm at it, should i turn ecc on in my bios? it's disabled for some reason

lol stop it already or you will arouse even more ppls creativity

that sounds like a threat

faeb 2101 b401 4c49 4c4f 1608 78d8 a346 ..!…LILO..x..F

only works if you have ECC ram

.. so I assume that means lilo IS there

kerframil, i'll bug an x86 dev in the morning on that virtual question

Anyone know a good java decompiler?

ok

how long should memtest86 take?

Do you actually have ECC RAM?

so it worked?

yea without probs
simply great

well if lilo is on my mbr and I want to use the lilo installed in my gentoo permission..

CareBear\: I don't know how anyone could have ECC RAM and not know

I mean gentoo partition

CareBear\, i'll be verifying that when i open the box

then how do I get rid of it?

I was just surprised you mentioned I have too many useflags

hmm..

memtest86 runs until you stop it. It should run at least one hour on a modern system but ideally leave it 24+ hours.

to the handbook! tralala

I followed the rule … the more use flags the better

greenmanwitch, best way to remove 1 bootloader is to install another

does the same hold for cflags?

well, it seems like a lot to me - certainly to set on a global basis.

kojiro, easy…this stuff was purchased over a year ago now, and was replaced/added to about the same time, so i forget which receipt is valid

hehe

Sorry, it's not neccessarily possible to see if RAM is ECC just by looking at it.

o i see

yea right … I should use /etc/package.use better

ECC RAM is usually expensive, so you would know…

CareBear\, sometimes it is marked as such though

k…shows u how little i do know, lol

It can be marked, but not always.

/etc/portage/package.use for corner-case stuff, yeah

Let's assume it isn't ECC to be on the safe side.

hi all

hi, cool

ahh yeah forgot the folder my fault

yes, and my system builder would probably have enabled it when he replaced the 1st bad stick

I'm having problems using my new wifi usb dongle

Make/model/USB id?

0×6a00

CareBear\: I got one last one for you (I think). Ever since I went from 2.6.20-r8 to 2.6.21-r4 when I change runlevels (default to battery and vice versa) which only occurs if I run on AC or battery (laptop), X goes back to tty1 and I have to alt+F7 to go back to GUI. I dont really get any messages. I cant figure if I simply forgot a kernel option, or if there's something I have to recompile.

from netgear … uses rtl8187

hmmz

what kind of "upgrade" or so to speak, would i get from recompiling cups with dbus support? I dont really see what it would accomplish better with it

the native drivers don't compile … ndiswrapper gives no results on scanning

You want the native drivers.

I was running 2.6.21 kernel

does my boot partition have to be the first partition on my drive?

ok, well i'm gonna reboot, open the box…etc, run memtest overnight…glad i have some good new books here…Jane jacobs' Dark Age Ahead is a must read for every thinking person

Try going back a version or two perhaps.

kerframil, you havent seen ECC prices lately then.. $10 difference

good night all, and thank you for the info

bye gettinthere

Well, I don't know for sure, but I imagine it would give instant printing support in any DBUS-enabled app that would want to print.

whichever works … My AP has WPA … I've heard (or read, to be precise) that native drivers don't support WPA encryption

carebear\: ah… alright, might be worthwhile i suppose then

kerframil, make that $2

I can also imagine there being some nifty apps for cups administration via DBUS.

carebear\: would you happen to know if i were to recompile cups would i lose the configuration i already have for my printer?

Plus you may be able to automate things more easily via DBUS.

hmm?

No, you should not lose config. That's stored in a separate file.

seems like he wants money

kerframil, $2 between ECC and non-ECC DDR2-667 memory.. so that's not easy to tell anymore

carebear\: ok, cool thanks again

CareBear\: get my last?

You lose then.
Yeah, but it was too long.

lol

not even the svn build …. of rt8187?

is there any way to get mplayerplug-in to work with mozilla-firefox-bin?

CareBear\: short version: when I change runlevels, X returns me to tty1 and I have to alt+F7 to get back in to GUi

Hehe, yeah.

why dont you just use wpa_supplicant for WPA wireless

it should work by default

I am not at all up to speed on memory prices, I must confess.

maybe a re-emerge is in order

hmm

ok I would. …. but I really don't know how to

i moved from mozilla-firefox to mozilla-firefox-bin

That may be because switching runlevels sends some output to the console.
But I can't say for sure.

i have installed it …. now, what can I do

I still dont see the point why it shouldnt work .. really
I have -bin too

CareBear\: its only been happening since I upgraded kernels from 20-r8 to 21-r4

emerge wpa_supplicant and then look at the man pages or there are many guides to wpa_supplicant on the web, probably gentoo-wiki too

wpa_supplicant needs to talk to the driver. That doesn't work with all drivers yet.

well in firefox-bin you really have to copy over most of the plugins, at least you do with netscape
and ive already copied them over

so , it'll work (even with r8187, eh?)

hmm

I don't know.

Santanabaer, are you using www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin?

hmmm….

carebear\: well i didnt say it would work with his driver, all i said was wpa_supplicant for wpa wireless haha, worked for me so i figured it would work for him too

ok great

yes I do octavarium

carebear\: works fine with ndiswrapper though

although … I noticed I have both emerged
strange
emerge -auD world must have done that for me while I was away

Santanabaer, i only have firefox-bin
maybe you are runing it in a 64bit profile

hi ppl

hmmm no

hi, overdrive

I would try working with the native driver.

hello overdrive

hey! )

Native is better for the small furry ones.

in gentoo wiki 'm trying to find which CFLAGS i need for a quad core… but is not there

"need"..
-O2 -pipe will work just fine.

i put CFLAGS="-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

I would guess -march=nocona though

dont you set the number of cores in the kernel ? I could remember an option of that kind ?

MAKEOPS="-j5"

Staticwave_Ace++

(CORES + 1)

why cores + 1? :-/
and why not 4?

What generation CPU is it?

its "suggested" that way, no idea why

that is the number for parallel makes @ overdrive

Q6600

meh

I would guess that its to always keep the cores busy

So Core 2 or Xeon?

core 2

Then yes, I think nocona is good.
But IIRC quad is mentioned on the Safe CFLAGS page.
Look under Core 2

CareBear\: its true, i just find now

You can set MAKEOPTS to whatever you want. Too high and you'll somewhat forkbomb yourself during *certain* builds. Too low and *some* installs will take longer.

CareBear\, some comments are made that nocona isn't the best hosting for "core" systems.. pentium-m might be a better choice

firstly i'm checking only CFLAGS url, not safe CFLAGS sorry

Quite possible.
But note that Core != Core 2
Core is indeed more like Pentium-M while Core 2 made more progress.

CareBear\: is exactly this micro: Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB)

Didn't come cheap I bet.
Many data dollars.
Oh well.

hehe

Forget about my ramblings - go with what Safe_CFLAGS says.

ok
current linux kernel / gcc compiler are making the most of this micro possibilities?

Not automatically no.
Or rather, not independently of workload.
The workload characteristics are quite important to determine the efficiency.

CareBear\: aha, ops

What are you going to have the machine do?

CareBear\: 'multifunction', personal server + desktop development

"personal server" ?
Quad core.
I think you'll be fine.

CareBear\: i know, the question is that i'm going to install gentoo + openbsd in this computer

ahww I still can only dream of quad core

Although you would probably be just as fine with just 2 cores.

but i'm not sure if openbsd supports this technology perfectly

That may be a problem.
There are some issues with the BSDs and the TLB in Core2s.
I would not recommend running OpenBSD on that system.

CareBear\: btw, gentoo is always a good option for this kind of computers, compile hosting a lot

Data corruption may result as I understood it.

CareBear\: mmm in 4.1 / current ?

Sure, yes.

CareBear\: oops i didn't know

google theo core2 tlb
Or go through the Core2 wikipedia page.

CareBear\: and I bought the current iso from OpenBSD… and my idea was check/study code/arch from OpenBSD kernel
of course Gentoo as a desktop system / devel system

Too bad.

CareBear\: thanks :-/

But you can run OBSD on another system!

i'm using beryl on two gentoo systems, one with an 845 mobile graphics card, one with an nvidia card. one with nvidia runs fine at 24 bit, 845 one has corruption around the windows on anything over 16 bit
this normal due to the limited onboard chip?

CareBear\: did you know this news? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=559

Dunno. Could perhaps be a R/G/B setting.

CareBear\: #beryl might be a better place to ask, huh thanks

indeed

Yeah. Theo thinks it's incredibly poor form and rants at Intel while Linus considers it a less serious issue. Possibly because fedora linux is unaffected by the undocumented change in the Core2 TLB.
behavior

interesting

Get the full scoop from wikipedia.

ok!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core2#Chip_bugs

CareBear\: i'm there )
anyway, thanks to tell me

Hey, $266 not THAT bad..
No problem.
I do recommend you get involved with OBSD on another machine though, it's a nice system.

CareBear\: ok

amazing… a good article by the Ou
anybody know of a nvidia- and KDE-specific "XGL" (not really XGL since it's part of the nvidia driver) article/tutorial?

hmm, sounds like you want to setup nvidia+beryl+emerald
gentoo-wiki usually has good documentation on that

the gentoo-wiki guide didn't work for me
I only ever managed to break X to where I only got a black screen

ah, you're using closed source drivers
you really expected those to work?

they are the ones with the built in xgl-kinda stuff

they are the ones that reliably crash my machine, too
teh sigh, whatever happened to functional drivers?

they've always worked fine for me, and perform better too
and AFAIK, the open nv driver doesn't support 3D accel…

nv works, but lacks 3d accel … make your choice now

There's that Fedora project..

nouveau?

Right.

still in "reliable segfault generator" stage afaik

How is it coming along?
Excellent.

does any one know how to kill an open socket connection without restarting?

Are they getting anything from NVIDIA?

the socket is in LISTEN state

how i can block packages to be rebuilded when emerge -e system?

Kill the process that is listening on it?

the process attached to it is no longer "alive"
the socket is in some funky state

Either the process exists or not.
If it exists, kill -9
If not, just wait, the socket will time out.

/etc/portage/package.mask

I've seen sockets timeout after ~2 minutes

what's the best way to find the socket?

petteyg, i have alot…

but that might end up removing them…

i mean the processs

emerge don`t have this option?

then why do a -e?

what's the best way to find the process attached to a socket?

netstat

http://adante.11011.net/pics/emacs.jpg

I like lsof

because i`m merging from stage1

you're missing a font

and also some warnnigs about "cannot convert string "-some-font-spec" to type FontStruct
hm, what's easiest way to get it back :]

oh dear … why do you do that?

because i need a 10MB system

Even from Stage 1, stripped down, it'll be more than 10MB.

I would suggest either GNAP or building a stage4 with catalyst.

gnap?

hi, is the x font java server hosting supposed to be running if i am running x?

Gentoo Network Appliance Project
If you want it to.

hey people, i'm finishing another gentoo install (amd64) with raid5 and lvm2 and I'm trying to emerge device-mapper before rebooting but it keeps failing with the following error: mv: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19-r1/image//usr/lib64': No such file or directory

X can use fonts without a font server though.

i am looking for process attached to port 8080 and lsof -p 8080 doesn't return anything…and the port 8080 is in LISTEN state..does that mean no process is attached to the socket?

gnap sounds cool

netstat -lpn maybe?

there is a `/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19-r1/image//usr/lib' by the way.

how do i tell if x is using the font server?

kill it and see if you get an error?

DREeevil:there is a - in the PID/PROGRAM NAME column

lsof -p looks for a pid IIRC

ya i believe so

yeah xfs isn't running now and my emacs looks like this http://adante.11011.net/pics/emacs.jpg — probably related?

Try lsof -n -i :8080

DrEeevil, you use gnome?

i tried to start it again it says start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/X11R6/bin/xfs: No such file or directory

only when depressed

lol
look my patch
http://cyber-labs.org/patches/metacity/metacity_hack.flv

now i haven't done anything like eg unmerge xfs, how can i fix this?
should i just try to remerge all of x?

Just emerge xfs ?

CareBear\: ok

Ernesto is sending me new bachelors via email. He's such a great guy.

CareBear\: that did the trick, thanks

Hey anyone know of security problems with memcached? host is saying activity from that port on the box is from 11211 and its memcached.

Damn, I think my 250gb hard disk is f..screwed.

any waimea / kahakai users?
Is the kahakai ebuild broken?

There's one partition which seems to be munted.

what makes you think that?

DrEeevil, because nothing seems to be able to read it.
mount, parted, gparted all freeze when trying to interact with it.
However, I can still read the 210gb partition on it.

mmh nice, any errors in dmesg ?

0/e0 tag 0 cdb 0×0 data 4096
0/e0 Emask 0×2 (HSM

Welcome.

Probably not much point in talking about it here.

ah, that looks like a problem

I'd look upstream.

Since I'm actually in Kubuntu.
But Gentoo can't mount it either.
Or load it in parted.

anyone know why gcc would be trying to link against a 4.1.1 library instead of the newer 4.2.0 library?
http://rafb.net/p/C7jVOL12.html

those errors look quite bad, you should aim to recover as much as you can while the disk is still partially alive

Ah, great idea.
I'll just backup all the files on my 210gb partition.
The rest is just the partition I was doing a manual Gentoo install to, and swap.

good luck …

Then I'll wipe the hard drive.
Lol, DBaN ftw.
DrEeevil, also, I think it might be related to trying it on my box.

how so?

I tried plugging my hard drives from my main computer into the other one I have.
PREDICTED SMART FAILURE" on my 40gb and 250gb.

i'm trying to do a gentoo install using the feisty ubuntu livecd
how do i obtain the gentoo installer?
or the equivalent of?

what installer? take a stage3 and celebrate

gentn00b, you can't use the installer from Ubuntu.

i know

You can do the manual install though.
Go to http://gentoo.org/, and read the documentation.

do i get the stage3 tarball and go from there?

Read the manual install.
I'll get the link.

yes, if you know the drill … same as install from a gentoo cd, just without gentoo cd

gentn00b, yes, but you need to set up some other things aswell.

alright

Like compiling the kernel.

is it all in the handbook?
i think thats decribed in there

So, I'm guessing no one's looked at kahakai lately

Yes, I'll give you the link you want.
I already have it open.

i think i know which page it is

I don't even know what it is
although it sounds like tasty sushi

using an ubuntu disk to install gentoo appears to be easier than using the gentoo minimal

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=1

(First time in an eternity on IRC, 10 years)… Does anyone know where I can find statistics on Gentoo Linux installations in existance today?

quite ironic, me finds it

same level of difficulty as far as I'm concerned

gentn00b, it'll be pretty much the same.

no real statistics, no registration needed

Except the doc looks better in a GUI browser ofcourse.

Staticwave_Ace gcc-config -l

except that minimal doesnt have the ipw2200 driver included while this other one does
thanx guys

I'd just throw the harddrive out!

there are estimates that start at 50-100000 installs and go up to a lot more, but hard to refine those estimates

Minimal CD is useless, unless you have no Linux environment alreadu.
CareBear\, my 250gb HDD? I think not.

it is perfect, no stupid eyecandy loaded

CareBear\: [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 \ [2] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.2.0 *

Then how is anyone supposed to be able to ascertain how large the Gentoo Linux userbase is, and whether it is growing or shrinking?

DrEeevil, yea, but there's no point unless you don't have a working linux host environment.

Try switching over to 1 and then back to 2?

You can install it from any Linux environment.

I would still throw it out. Only 80EUR. Not worth losing data.

what, throw it in, start ssh, no need for silly desktops

DrEeevil, I know..

what's a good program to edit the audio in a video

CareBear\: attempting…

CareBear\, as far as I know, everything was fine until I tried putting it into my other computer.

the video is .mov and the audio is using the ulaw codec…it's from a camera

DBaN will fix it anyway.

try quicktime pro

And hard drives aren't as cheap here.

Or maybe you just didn't know the disk was broken.

CareBear\: /usr/bin/gcc-config: line 390: eend: command not found

CareBear\, I doubt it was broken.

but I guess that's not appropriate for FOSS usage

Staticwave_Ace Oh what fun.

I bought it new a few months ago.

CareBear\: I believe it may be due to baselayout-2

Could still be broken. Excellent. Then it's still under warranty. Send it in for a replacement.

hi everyone!

…yeah that wouldn't really work for me

Quite possible.

CareBear\, I'm sure the hard drive is fine, it's the other computer's fault.

I've installed gentoo, everything starts, but keyboard doesn't work Whats wrong with it?

USB keyboard?

I got standard AT keyboard

CareBear\: are eend and ewarn critical functions?

I tried putting my hard drives into the other computer, to see if it would detect them.

i'm finishing another gentoo install (amd64) with raid5 and lvm2 and I'm trying to emerge device-mapper before rebooting but it keeps failing with the following error: mv: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19-r1/image//usr/lib64': No such file or directory

And it couldn't detect the 80gb, and the 250gb.

the video is just mpeg-4

Which are the ones which now say "SMART FAILURE".

PS2 needs to be enabled in the kernel for the keyboard to work.

anybody know why mpg321 only displays verbose stuff for the first file when playing a directory with 'mpg321 *.mp3'?

Predicted*

whats the default mail daemon on gentoo?

There is none.

CareBear, but keyboard is really USB, that works through converter under AT I mean 5PIN old type keyboard

You get ssmtp which emulates sendmail but does not queue. It just passes out messages.

ohh..

it's still in a quicktime container

Heh, this is Gentoo there is no default except for the base system and it doesn't even include a cron

PS/2 is 5pin too I believe.
So what is it? USB or AT?

CareBear\, AT old type which is bigger

logged onto a box where "smtp" was shut down, but I dont even see a smtp start script in /etc/init.d
any idea where else I could check?

You still need support in kernel.

I come from redhat'ish distros.. trying to learn gentoo

It's ssmtp and it's not a daemon.

CareBear\, it's enabled

ohh..

man ssmtp, again, it emulates sendmail for programs that want to send mail.

yes, well everything plays it except noatun.
i'm trying to edit the audio in it

It will do an MX lookup and send the message on, or you can configure it to always send to a smarthost.

how many years the people on this change have?

But that's it. There is nothing by default for handling incoming mail.

* channel

ohh.. so it just use standard /usr/bin/mail

CareBear\: PS/2 is 6 pins and a key in a mini-DIN, AT is 5 pins with a notch in a DIN

I'm 29 IIRC

CareBear\, work with open source?

Oh right, PS/2 has 6 pins yes.
Since 1995

nice
from USA?

..se

so how would I disable all mail being send on a server if its using ssmtp?

you code ruby?

Nope.

iptables?

Yeah, that's a fairly sure way.
I would just fix the application?

yeah well we need to find application first, lol

I'm not sure I understand the problem completely. But sure, -A OUTPUT -p tcp –dport 25 -j DROP works.

dang kdelibs almost takes longer to install than to compile

Actually I'm only 28 thinking about it.

our webhosts says possible relay spamming from a php script. from the server.

in what context do you use smtp? just sending mail, or a fill-blown MTA, or … ?

no, only sending.

So you need to fix your PHP code.

Hmm, very weird issue, has anyone found their disk throughput going from 30M/s to 3M/s by going from the 2.6.21 kernel to the 2.6.22 kernel?

CareBear\, what kind of options should be enabled in kernel for PS/2 and ATKBD?

CareBear\: well im trying to figure out what site.. and where.. /var/log/mail should log all mail sent, yes?

Even with vanilla kernel with genkernel configuration it would do the same thing, also my drives would go from being /dev/sda to /dev/hda.

No. Remember PHP is a programming language. If you have a code injection hole in your PHP application an attacker can do anything on your server without you ever knowing about it.
Hold on.

hi there. I'm a gentoo newbie, and I'm having problems while trying to update my system using "emerge –update –deep –newuse world". what happens is that the package mail-filter/spamassassin-3.2.1-r1 is not found, and the update process is aborted. is it possibile to bypass this package or to correct the problem otherwise?

CareBear\: well php doesn't send the mail, it calls an system program to send mail.

is this keyboard actually in an AT port or using an ATPS/2 adapter?

hey guys, quick question. I have gentoo+windows dual boot on a harddrive that used to be in my laptop and is now an external enclosure, is there a way to either install grub so i can access my old partitions or reset the MBR on that external HD?

Sounds like you traded new and funky PATA drivers for the old IDE drivers possibly without DMA.

petteyg, it uses USB-AT adapter

didn't realize those existed

So how would you fix that?

If the code calls mail() yes - but if you have a code injection security hole in your PHP code then the attacker can just provide a few lines of PHP code that is an SMTP client. It's not very hard.

Thinking just dropping back to 2.6.21.

CareBear\: ahh.. ok I got what your saying now..

Reconfigure the kernel the way you want it, compile, reboot.

you could always stick to arch

so only way is… tcpdump then.. to see whats going out..

I've been running gentoo pretty much since my first steps into linux. Tried arch, didn't really like it at all, for some reason reminded me kind of slackware.

I think you need "Experimental code enabled" or whatever it is to have the new SATA/PATA stuff

Where does a swap partition perform it's best again?

I meant arch as in not ~arch

Or fix the application.

First sectors right?
Or was it last?

Yes.

Ok.

CareBear\, so what options should I enable?

You can get the stuff on the external drive too.
Hold on. Still looking.

CareBear\, k

Ah, yeah, true, actually doing a new installation, pretty much doing an installation with a custom built initrd, pretty much boots off of a disk with squashfs images and layers them together with aufs along with a persistant directory, pretty much a livecd running off the hard drive.
So I need a pretty custom patched kernel to get it to work.

ah

i'm finishing another gentoo install (amd64) with raid5 and lvm2 and I'm trying to emerge device-mapper before rebooting but it keeps failing with the following error: mv: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19-r1/image//usr/lib64': No such file or directory

AT Keyboard

CareBear\, in my config =y

hey guys, quick question. I have gentoo+windows dual boot on a harddrive that used to be in my laptop and is now an external enclosure, is there a way to either install grub so i can access my old partitions or reset the MBR on that external HD?

i8042 Keyboard controller

I answered that already.

the other approach that you could use, although i'm not sure how to take care of the other half of it, is to take a look at your webserver log, and see what pages are getting lots and lots of hits on them. And tighten up that page's php code, and then hop around the rest of your site to fix the php injection problem (if that is what the actual problem is). I.E. See what's coming in.

CareBear\, got it

Hello there, just a simple question, how can I make the wheel switch work on beryl ???, thanks!!!

Actually, I probably didn't notice the speed difference due to the fact that I was using those squashfs images, less to pull off of the disk.

I suggest asking in #beryl
Good advice.
Audit the code.

ok so I just send a test email "sendmail email@addy.com" and it wasn't logged in /var/log/mail/current.

I come from #beryl, no one answered

Hang in there. They may be asleep but may answer you tomorrow.

CareBear\; I need to figure out where..

All of it.

but yes, find where the problem is being exploited first, to nip it in the bud to halt the outgoing mail traffic. Yes.. ALL of it.

CareBear\: there is 1000's of sites..
i need logging first =(

DOH

how can I log outgoing mail.. my test mail doesn't logged.. hmm

Log webserver hits.
What Dom said.

ok

CareBear. thanks for the hopes, I thought everyone was either sleeping or dead

CareBear\i missed it, i'll go back

No problem.
Well, I basically said "it will work" - do you need to boot from the external drive?
That needs to be supported in your BIOS then.

CareBear\ yes, the pata controller on my mobo failed, and it's a laptop, and i don't feel like spend 700 bucks to have alienware replace it.
CareBear\ thats the funny part, if i go to bios on the laptop, it just goes instantly to OS not found error

CareBear\, thnx. reboot for test

You can't do the BIOS setup thing?

CareBear\ i can't even get to it. but even if USB is in the bios (which i'm positive it is) it will find there is no HD and boot from BIOS

Boot from BIOS?
What?

err
USB
i'm retarded

Oh - ok - so it will boot from USB. What's the problem then?

hi, my kernel does not see my initramfs image (compiled into it) and panics saying it is missing /dev/sda9? what could be the reason?

CareBear\ becauhse it see's the USB, but it has no idea Grub is installed, so it doesn't know how to find my boot partitions

There is no /dev/sda9 device node file in the initramfs perhaps?

hi there. I'm a gentoo newbie, and I'm having problems while trying to update my system using "emerge –update –deep –newuse world". what happens is that the package mail-filter/spamassassin-3.2.1-r1 is not found, and the update process is aborted. is it possibile to bypass this package or to correct the problem otherwise?

CareBear\ so it just gives me OS not installed

Uhm - do you see any output from GRUB when the disk is on USB?

CareBear\ i can't get into grub. i'm currently pulling a CDROM out of my other laptop and throw it in to live cd in

Ok. So it _doesn't_ in fact boot from USB.

CareBear\: are you sure it must be on initramfs? because I think this initramfs should autocreate device nodes…

Ok, if it has udev then that's possible. But that may not be working?

kernel displays list of partitions just before the panic and there is sda9 there…

CareBear\ no it won't boot to USB, but it can if it can see the partitions

CareBear\: it is basically http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_System_Encryption_DM-Crypt_with_LUKS and initramfs from http://wiki.tuxonice.net/EncryptedSwapAndRoot

Sorry, you're not making sense. There are too many "it" in that sentence that could mean anything.

okay

I can't understand the problem.
Even though the kernel finds the partition there is not neccessarily a device node file for it.

CareBear\ I have an external harddrive, it has Gentoo + windows installed via grub. The computer i have it hooked to, has the capability to boot from USB. But it can't see the partitions because it doesn't know grub is there.

CareBear\: I believe kernel should not touch that root=foo at all if given initramfs and instead spawn linuxrc from it…?

The missing piece of the puzzle is udev, or a static file in the initramfs /dev directory.

anyone here using dirvish ?
anyone on their mailing list?

"it can't see" ?
The computer can't see?
I would put it this way:

CareBear\ The computer see's the harddrive is there, but it can't boot from it.

Since the computer does not boot the harddrive from USB, the computer isn't booting from USB.

i'm finishing another gentoo install (amd64) with raid5 and lvm2 and I'm trying to emerge device-mapper before rebooting but it keeps failing with the following error: mv: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19-r1/image//usr/lib64': No such file or directory

Now we're on the same page.

CareBear\ no it isn't, but it has the capability in the BIOS.

i'm having some trouble with the openchrome drivers for my VIA graphics… when i try to start x, it says "failed to start x. no screens found"
any ideas?

have you at least established that the computer is able to boot from any operating installed on the USB external hard drive at all?

I suspect the problem is with your BIOS settings. If you can't change them because the internal disk is missing or whatever other reason you are in trouble, yes.

Dominicus, yes, it can.
I think i'm just screwed.

Try booting from the disk in another system.
(But don't boot Windows, it will go crazy if it doesn't recognize the hardware.)

There isn't one, the PATA controller is dead, so it wouldn't boot if i wanted it to.
oh wait

USB
Another system

do you mean like, take a completely differen't hard drive, throw it in the USB and see if it boots?

Rather keep that drive in the USB, connect it to some desktop and see if that works.

Alright, i'll give that a shot. Sorry for being so confusing, been waiting 6 months to get this machine running and not exactly very rested atm.
Thank you for being patient.

I hope it works out.
But your test is good too. Trying to boot another system disk on the laptop.

Me too, Good luck luck to you.
yeah i'll give it a shot.
I may be back in an hour or so.

I may be sleeping in an hour or so.

CareBear\: wrong guess: I copied all devices by hand and it still does not work, same panic :/

CareBear\, still same troubles

CareBear\: and I really believe kernel shouldn't try to access root= device before executing linuxrc

Argh none of my advice works - I may just as well go sleep now.

input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/inpu
t/input3

Is there a nice movie-editing program out there somewhere?

I like kino
Maybe the fuse is blown?
Has the keyboard connector ever worked?

CareBear\, then how am I working now?
same box, but on LiveCD

Well it depends on what is in linuxrc of course.

CareBear\, Excellent, thanks.

Oh ok.

CareBear\: but it is very verbose and is not executed at all - I am rather sure only don't know why

Maybe it finishes running linuxrc and then kernel tries to mount root?
Annoying.

no idea… stupid console is too small but I believe not - very unprobable at least

CareBear\, but it's the fact. And system is not hanging cursror blinks, system is loaded and shows prompt

Scroll Lock?

CareBear\, scroll/num/caps keys don't respond
CareBear\, keyboard is absolutely out. I'm thinking about my NLS plays and disabling unicode in /etc/rc.conf

for configuring my partition table, do i need to have a boot type partition as shown in the handbook, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap4 ?

You can try booting your own kernel with parameter init=/bin/sh and see if the keyboard works then.

or can i just make my root partition bootable
i did the latter in my ubuntu and slackware installations

One partition is fine.

so a swap type and a linux type are fine for gentoo?

Hi all, I wonder why gcc 4.1.2 is used when the 4.2 version is installed..?

ls -l `which gcc`
maybe it pointing to gcc4.1
*its

/usr/bin/gcc

As for any other Linux distribution.

CareBear\, thnx went trying

gcc-config -l

[1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6
[2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 *
[3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.2.0

gcc-config 3
.. /etc/profile
Et voila

thanks CareBear/
after that Do I have to make an emerge -e system ?

If you want to recompile everything with the new gcc, yes.

thanks again CareBear/

You may even want world
Or you can just not re-emerge anything and take one package at a time later when you upgrade anyway.

may be long but I'll do it at night…

ok, why am i getting told to run emaint –check world and then being told that packages i KNOW are installed arent?

Installed != in world

damnit nabble started doing scheduled maintenance

it IS installed but its not listed in world?

Right.
Dependencies can be like that e.g.

I know

or "its not installed" — this is incorrect, i KNOW the package is installe becayuse i installed it

I had that problem once. I just formatted and reinstalled because it was being so uncooperative

hi

im not formatting

I haven't used my gentoo machine for over two years
I'm wondering if there's a good way to upgrade it to the current version
I did emerge –sync
but when I do emerge –update –deep world

name a package that you installed that's not there

Good fun.

it says that my architecture's not set

samba
it tells me samba is not installed. it is

was it installed as a dependency via USE from some other package?

What does /etc/make.profile point to?

or did you actually run emerge samba?

it was installed from emerge samba
net-fs/samba

hmm… it should be in world then

…/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.0

it IS in world

thought you just said it wasnt'

this is what it contains:

no. i said emaint –check world tells me that its not installed

No no the contents - what does it point to?

and when i say emerge -s samba it says not installed there too

ls -l /etc/make.profile

it IS installed

CLAGS="-O2 -march=i586 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"

Well, guess you might need to disable generic ide support, hopefully will fix problem.

localhost ~ # ls -l /etc/make.profile

…/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.0

You are now pasting make.conf. If I'm going to be able to help out please pay more attention.
Ok!

you didn't run emerge –depclean did you?

oh foo. how do i emerge a SPECIFIC version of samba?
i can never remember that

The current profile is 2007.0 but it is impossible to jump directly from 2005.0 to 2007.0.

=net-fs/samba-version

no i know what the problem is, it IS installed but gentoo no longer knows it

Just =samba-1.2.3 works too

CareBear\: nope

oh, so I should just do a fresh install?

Sure it does.

CareBear\: unless portage has been changed you need the cat if you use =

It is possible to upgrade, but you have to do it in steps.

nope i tried that
i tried emerge =net-fs/samba-3.0.24

I admit I run a very recent portage, but there it works.
Since you've ran emerge –sync already the old profile doesn't really exist.

i'm finishing another gentoo install (amd64) with raid5 and lvm2 and I'm trying to emerge device-mapper before rebooting but it keeps failing with the following error: mv: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19-r1/image//usr/lib64': No such file or directory

did I do it wrong?

okay CareBear\ you're right, it does work that way now

and mess it up?

you need the -r3 at the end

Well it wasn't easy to know, so don't feel bad.
It can be fixed.
But it does need a bit of work.

no i dont
the tgz doesnt have -r3

You need to find an old portage snapshot that has the 2005.0 and 2005.1 profiles.

doesn't matter
you need the ebuild version
and the ONLY version of samba ebuild is 3.0.24-r3

Then unpack just those profiles into /usr/portage/profiles
Then change the /etc/make.profile symlink

aha

Then emerge a portage version from around the 2006.0 profile

well, since this box doesn't have much on it (just some code), I'll probably just back it up and start afresh

told ya so

it'd be easier and less time-consuming
(it's a 400Mhz box)

Then change the /etc/make.profile symlink again, to 2007.0 if that works or to 2006.0 first
Then emerge an even newer portage, maybe even the very latest.
Then finally change the /etc/make.profile symlink to 2007.0

thanks for your help, CareBear\

And then run emerge –sync again to clean out the portage ebuilds you've had to scavenge as well as the old profiles

it'll just be better if I start anew

And finally run emerge world.
Starting from scratch may be a better solution if there's not much content in the system.
Anyone running Coda?

CareBear\, why'd you ask if I use Tor earlier today?

Happy sysadmin appreciation day guys.

It's a nice system. You're the closest I've come to using it myself, but I've followed Dingledine at a bit of a distance since '01 and Mixmaster.
He gave a good talk on TOR at C3 last winter.

dont be stupid, nobody appreciates sys admins!

ah

Had a chat with him at Def Con back then.

CareBear\: The problem with tor is that a lot of sites/services are blocking it because of abuse (tortrolls), and there seem to be a lot more people wanting to consume node bandwidth than provide it.

Yes.

anyone have a script that deletes entries in ~/.ssh/known_hosts when ssh keys become messed up then automatically type "yes" to the stupid SSH "yes really connect question" and then continue connecting ?

Tor doesn't have enough bandwidth for web browsing, usually, but for IRC it's 99% of the time fine

I could write one. I would name it "gapingsecurityhole.sh".

Freedom comes at a cost I guess.

aja, STFU YOU F@#$%@%#!5

:-) Actually, I think you can configure ssh to not care…

bleh i'll write my own

It would be better to avoid the problem by setting up host key distribution via some secure channel.

And I appreciate your providing such a valuable illustration of my statement about the problem with tor…

svgalib gecko browser anyone?
Hm only links it seems. Let's see.

your last line to aja was a little rude and unnecessary. as for the replying yes and deleting the known host, typing yes is to connect to a new host, and deleting is when the host has changed, like a dual boot box. is that what is happening to you ?
CareBear\: not sure about sgvalib, perhaps try directfb ? i think some gtk apps work in that, but havent tried it myself yet

i knwo what exactly is happening and in 25 years i can't be the first lazy person to make this program
this is ridiculous
as ridiculous as aja
"gapingsecurityhole remark
esp when i know myself that i just re-installed the box a few hours ago

I bow to your clearly superior information defining what has use.

i am not an expert with shh, and do not know the security on it
what is causing the need to delete the .ssh folder ?

i'm a security in real life security ..the last thing someone will do is go to that room where that computer is and install a backdoor to steal my password!! heaven forbid it
known_hosts

well, i have only seen that on a dual boot box and i go to ssh into the second OS

heh

is that what is happening there ?

stop bothering me

if not what is causing it ?

stop bothering me

You will probably find the study by Kruger and Dunning useful.

aja, stop bothering me

Oh. I was going with "childish ass", but I'm happy to use your term.
Oh. I was going with "childish ass", but I'm happy to use your term.

i'm gonna kill this fly that's running around
driving me nuts

hrmmm. OT, I suppose, but can anyone recommend a tool to grab several adjacent lines, all beginning with a character (in my case, '*'), and insert a line before and a line after that block? I've come up with several really ugly hacks — there should be an elegant solution.
Lines are somewhere in a text file. Remainder of file to be unchanged. There may be several such blocks that need to be processed.

sed?

ive been using fluxbox for yeas, i might try something else, any recomendations? ive tried fvwm, but its way to complex for my needs
*years

Yeah, that's my main tool for this - but sed's not really well suited to handling things that occur on more than one line.

Which package provides /usr/bin/latex ?

I'd use awk.
emerge portage-utils && qfile /usr/bin/latex

Typically tetex, but there are some other latex distros.

Is tetex the most common latex distro?

CareBear\: Yeah, I was looking at that — I generally only use it for tabular data. Let me reread some man pages.
Yes, although it is currently no longer under active development. I believe that tex-live is the current probably inheritor. Last I checked, was still masked.

Alright, I'll stick with tetex for now.

awk 'BEGIN {star=0} /^\*/ {if(!star) {print "before"; star=1}} /^[^*]/ {if(star) {print "after"; star=0}} END {if(star) {print "after"}' thefile

CareBear\: Let me play with that. I might owe you a beer.

Oops, missing a curly: awk 'BEGIN {star=0} /^\*/ {if(!star) {print "before"; star=1}} /^[^*]/ {if(star) {print "after"; star=0}} END {if(star) {print "after"}}' thefile

Main issue with tetex is that you might find the odd style package to be out-of-date. Relatively (well, for LaTeX) easy to update manually after pulling current .sty off of ctan.
CareBear\: It'll take me a while to massage it, but I think you've put me on the right track. Thanks for your time.

DON'T TOUCH THE HAMSTERS!!!!!!

I think it should work.

CareBear\: I agree.

At least as you described. But the * stuff quoting may not be correct.

i are sorry blackace!!!!!
for the caps!!!!!!

easy on the punctuation too

Here it is morning.

07:17

Crazy stuff.. Watching coda build.

Everytime I get after the point to enter the root password in the GTK installed the install fails and I can't figure out why

how would I include coretemp support in my kernel? I want to be able to use lm_sensors to detect the temperature on my core 2 duo

enable that module?

yeah, i just can't find the damn thing

its only in =2.6.22

i've got .22

I'm trying to emerge xorg-server but the USE flags listed don't match the ones I have specified in make.conf… (more particularly xcomposite) is there a way to force USE flag use in emerge, or is there a specific reason why xcomposite is not listed?

"/" brings up search
SENSORS_CORETEMP
Depends on: HWMON && X86 && EXPERIMENTAL

Everytime I get after the point to enter the root password in the GTK installed the install fails and I can't figure out why

gtk install ? what is taht ?

the GTK+ installer
on the live cd

thanks…found it by searching through my .config file

oh, that. i have never used that. i have always followed the gentoo handbook and used a stage 3

hi. I run fluxbox, and im trying to save my retinas by getting rid of all the bright whites and grays from my system, now fluxbox has nice themes, that work well, but KDE and GNOME apps dont adhere to the theme, so i thought i would install a gnome theme, but it seems that i cant without actually installing a large part of gnome, is there an easier way to do this?

did you emerge with the kde and gnome use flag ? not sure that would help, just a guess

no, i emerge everything with -gnome and -kde

that might be why
its not compiled with the gnome or kde themes. (again, i am guessing thats what those use flags do)

mmm, ill try it on one app.

i use xfce4 here and set the fonts and colors and it all works without the gnome and kde flag, but didnt set the them with those either
no, i think you would need to set the use flag and then emerge -vp –newuse –deep –update world

my issue was well, im just playing with one app for the time being,kopete, and it seems to not have such a useflag for either gnome or kde

oh, not sure then

links+svgalib works very well
Scrolling a bit slow but otherwise good.

CareBear\: you try directfb ? i think that is supported more (not sure)

umm

No DirectFB for my crappy Savage chip.

CareBear\: ohhh

where is grub.conf on a new installed system I cant find it
itgs not in /boot

sn00p-: it should be in /boot/grub

there isn't a directory there

is boot on a separate partition ?

yea

was it mounted when you installed ?

dont think so

that would be a problem

its on sda1

i would mount /boot and emerge grub

could also be called menu.lst in /boot/grub (make sure /boot is mounted if it is a separate partition)

i got it
Do I have to edit it in fstab?

yeah, but havent seen that. and the handbook still says to edit grub.conf ?
sn00p-: what is the last it referring to ?

evening/morning
can i upgrade directly from gcc-3.3 to -4.1? or do i have to step through 3.4 first … *ugh*

vap0rtranz…all I can say is don't go past gcc 4.1.2

oh i won't go unstable

4.2.0 doesn't play so well with qt and a few others
spent 4 days on that
4.1.2 has done great for me

well it IS masked

yeah, I like pain I think

sadism …

based on the gcc upgrade doc I would say you can go 3.3 to 4.1 but I haven't done it myself

er

started with 4.1.2

wouldn't it be masochist? not sadist =P

is there some kind of log to see everything u have emerged so far?

ty, yes i wondered about that … but i didn't have opendict running
/var/log/emerge.log

thx

welcome

4.1.2

vap0rtranz…I would take a look at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml
that doc worked well for me
seems to be current

yea that's where I got the quickie idea from

good luck
big job
took me 2 days to get from 4.2.0 back to 4.1.2
I need to stop using ~ in my accept
anyone using bcm43xx with wpa_supplicant?

for an HP scanjet 5100c, SANE is a driver?

I'm pretty sure. I do think that HP has an alternate driver but I'd stick with the open drivers myself.

I prelink, and when it comes time for me to do housecleaning (recently removed 202 packages), the binaries and libraries installed by them do not get removed (by portage or paludis) because prelinking modifies them, changing their md5s. Is there any way to overcome this? Currently, i collect the output of any removal, and use grep and awk and some simple shell scripting to remove the files that failed with "!md5"

thanks

I think that sounds like something you should look into bugzy about and if there isn't already a report then you should file one.

serious? geeze I prelink and have been trying to figure out why /usr/portage et. are taking over my disk

Checking bugzilla- thanks ;D

gentoo ate my windoze

That's a good thing.

yeah.. it really started to annoy me when i found ancient binaries in /usr/bin. I fought with all the CONTENTS files, grep and awk, sort and uniq.. just to remove the ones i didn't catch before =[

i hope this time i get the option to put windoze in the grub conf

Even if you don't that isn't stopping you from adding it later.

If you're installing Windows again (gentoo didn't 'eat it', you probably consumed it accidentally during partitioning), you'll probably have to re-install your bootloader for Gentoo in order to be able to boot into Gentoo again. MS believes they own the MBR.

i tried to mount the failed install from the live DC but can't figure out how

There's a -related- bug (173190).. but i think i could fix it in paludis by writing a hook.. hmmmmmm..

https://bugs.gentoo.org/173190 nor, P2, All, betelgeuse@gentoo.org-toolchain@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, Document unmerging prelink to prelink howto

"ate"? dd if=/dev/[MBR of bootable disk] of=[your backup floppy/cd]

root=/dev/hda1 — Change to your root partition though

i have windoze on sda1, boot on sda5, swap sda and / on sda7

for sane, for a scanner, I'm emerging sane-frontend and sane-backend for completeness…?

root=/dev/sda7
Add that to the boot prompt on the live CD.

Rev667 are you in the live cd now?

so 'gentoo root=/dev/sda7' ?

Windows might still be there. You just have to edit your grub.conf (or lilo setup) to get to it.

Yes, and when you get booted mount /boot and edit the grub.conf and add an entry for windows. (perhaps reinstall grub too)

and '$ fdisk -l /dev/sda' is a benign check to actually see what is going on (without changing things)

it is still there… i hope. Thanks RiverRat that makes sense

If winblows smoked the MBR then you may need to reinstall grub.

no, grub is there, gave me the gentoo option but failed to mount dev/sda's

Well now it is starting to sound like the Linux kernel doesn't support the chipsets for your drive controller.

no, i made the linux partitions using partitionmagic, i suspect thats the problem, i think it gave them labels gentoo don;t understand

…. oooohhhhh

Did you build a kernel or install the one off the CD?

tried the gtk installer, it failed

Well get booted up and use fdisk to check the partition types.

gonna try the commandline installer

That installer isn't the best tool in the box.

i know, but i live in hope

yea the livecd won't hurt your system. use it; $fdisk, $lspci, see what's there

It is much better. And you will have an understanding on Linux/Gentoo when you are done to. Kinda nice how it 'installs' that too. :p

Is there anyway to limit the cpu that xscreensaver uses, because it likes to consume all my cpu when running

grrr. We need an ISO standard for regexp.

You can renice it into the ground but I don't know of a different way except changing it to a blank screen instead of eye candy.
But that's the fun of UN*X, every tool redefines regexp.

does anyone know of a good livecd with both compiz fusion and mplayer? i cant seem to find any livecd distro with modern stuff on it

RiverRat, Sorry for asking a stupid question that I can find out on my own, but how do I change it to a blank screen in xfce ?

I just spend 10 minutes discovering that in sed, you don't \w, you have to [ \t]. Sigh. It's nice writing 200 line programs that look like line noise.

ok, i got the command line installer running, it's asking 'Which drive would you like to partition?' and lists /dev/sda

xscreensaver-command

RiverRat, Thanks

I'd stop there and investigate what you already have.
I think most of it is installed.

i got, 1 - primary (ntfs, 159997MB) 2 - Extended 3 - Logical (ext2, 100MB) 4 - Logical (linux-swap 1003MB) 5 - Logical (ext3, 77366MB)

I have a gnome panel running here with a lock icon that I can click properties on. Does XFCE have something similar? If not then you will have to use the CLI tool that I just gave you.

see windoze is still there

Ok, I think that you have a bum kernel config installed and perhaps grub needs some tweaking but I don't think that you need to reinstall Gentoo. It is a good learning experience though.

ok, how do i config the borked grub?
or how do i get to it so i can edit the conf

What tool gave you that? Partition magic?

RiverRat, Thanks man, right now looking at the xscreensaver-command… XFCE Screensaver just shows the xscreensaver-demo page

yea i'm a little concerned that /boot and / would be behind extended partitions. is that okay these days?! :O

i'm looking at the commandline installer atm, thats what listed

I think all the problems booting from a cylinder beyond 1024 have been overcome so he should be ok.

mmm, times change

How did you get there? The install CD? I take it you didn't use the root= option I gave you.

install CD… sry

Morning

mornin

But you didn't use the root=/dev/sda7
?

nope, should i reboot and try that?

Nah, do you know how to switch to a different terminal?

yep
ctrl+alt+F1-2-3 etc

Ok, switch to a different terminal and log in as root and them I have some commands for you.

done

mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/gentoo
mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/gentoo/boot

done, didn't barf at me which is a good thing

ls -l /mnt/gentoo/boot/grub/grub.conf

Hi all, I am having a strage problem when i am playng mp3 songs in rhythmbox i can't play the video. I can play video after closing rhythmbox please help me…

I'm trying to get xorg (at this point I'll take anything) going on a C2D Macbook with i945 graphics… Having trouble figuring out exactly what is borken, but the bit where 'startx' throws this error looks ominous: "dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: cannot handle TLS data". My xorg.conf is trying to load glx, etc, etc… Any thoughts?

tep, the grub.conf file is there
yes even

chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash
I haven't used windows since 3.11 so I have no idea what needs to go into grub.conf to enable winblows.
BEFORE you reboot to test that though we will need to work on your kernel some.

RiverRat thats an easy thing to do

i have google can see the dualboot wiki

iirc, there's instrunctions in the gentoo handbook on what to put on the end of grub.conf to give a menuitem to start winders

See? tdr volunteered to help with windoze.

Rev667 where's your windows partition, i can give you the lines for the dual boot?

/dev/sda1

RiverRat ya, call it my penance for being bad today

What did you do, hand out a Windows ME disk?

chainloader +1 enter

RiverRat, i said bad, not evil

lol

k, just gonna nano the conf file and add the lines

why doesnt nano have an undo feature?

I440r because it not leet

cause its a simple text editor?

or because its auther IS.

sure you could put one in if you want it

not if someone offered to pay me a million dollars would i touch a single linux application coded in c
the source code i mean

It does, "quit without saving"

i know. but any author of an editor will understand that people DO make mistakes and forcing them to totally abandon all edits up to that point instead of just UNDOING the mistake is stupid

You might have some difficulty working with Linux if you're adverse to using things that were coded in C.

geoffb, I personally don't know what is wrong, but have you compiled glic with tls support ?

gentoo should switch to using joe

s/adverse/averse/

using them is fine. poking arround their source code gives me the shudders

geoffb, Or what version of glibc do you have ?

Mplayer is returning [AO OSS] audio_Setup can't open audio device /dev/dsp no such file or directory

Hmm, well, that modification of the kernel worked, installation is quite a little demon, kernel selection to login prompt in 20 seconds, with everything running also. Seems to be pretty responsive now that he no longer is reading from the disk at 3M/s.

i thought this wouldn't happen as i am using alsa and not OSS
how shall i fix this?

note sure… I'm having issues just figuring out which things I might need to rebuild even… ie: where libglx comes from, etc…