I cant get my crappy dwl-g120 usb carb to work in gentoo with either the prism54 driver or ndiswrapper Im a moron

what to do?
KWhat4, now patching failed

— Couldn't find 'kde-base/kdebase' to unmerge. cla

how are you applying the patch cause i dont see it in that ebuild

KWhat4, i unmerged all the packages…but it still says they are blocking

?kde split ebuilds

pasteagain

kk

in the ebuild line 25

http://pastebin.ca/651702

what is the easiest way to install grub to the MBR after the fact?

cla is probably correct

^

thank goodness gentoo-portage.com is still up

I_R_Baboon:are you there
?

read http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml howto

a disk on my raid1 array just failed, and i don't want to manually bring up my raid5 array for this

ok i need to see soem out put for the failure

adn then decide, because i won't be responsible for packages you *will have to* unmerge

maybe try it with: include/sip/sippdu.h.orig

OK

KWhat4, http://pastebin.ca/651708

emerge more-ram
you upgrading kde?

im doing a emerge -uDa

KWhat4, the patch now applies fine
KWhat4, and I get a different error right now

ok does it compile or crash again

it's all about the same class
crash again

yah that class is definitly borked

shit
now allI need is to convince gnome not to depend on ekiga
can I just abandon ekiga?

you using kde-meta or mono

KWhat4, im not sure

you could modify the ebuild that requires it

I can't get my crappy dwl-g120 usb carb to work in gentoo, with either the prism54 driver or ndiswrapper. I'm a moron, but I just need a little nudge to get me further, cause I'm stuck. I've inserted modules, but nothing is detected. anyone able to gimme a lil' hand?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Update_KDE_3.3_to_KDE_3.4
i would go with the meta
scratch that i would go with the non mono

what do you mean? im already using 3.5…

when you insert the modules, do you get error messages in dmesg? do you see the card with iwconfig? how about with ifconfig -a ?

no error messages, and nothing in iwconfig

your kde is borked, i would try to rebuild

that's what got me stumped, nothing to work with

Ok, so I've now tried ntp-4.2.4_p0 and ntp-4.2.4_p3 and they both fail.

nothing about needing firmware or anything, right?

Is there someone who could help me?

fail? fail how?

yeah….so like? emerge -e kde-meta ?

i just built ntp, went fine

net-misc/ntp-4.2.4_p3 failed.

nada, and I've got the firmware ready, but I ain't getting that far

like 10 minutes ago

it depends what you want
i like a minimal kde so i follow the Installing a minimal KDE 3.4/3.5

i don't even know, lol…should have stayed with gnome

KWhat4, can I just tell portage not to install Ekiga?

teach JakiChan errors

can I mask Ekiga?

No such faq, did you mean one of 'exclude errors', 'grub errors'?

teach JakiChan error

To inform us about a problem, you need to give us the /fault/, not the error. Error lines that begin with "!!!" or "make" are of no use to us. Fault lines, like "foobar.o: no such file or directory" or "undefined variable cabli" are. If it is over a few lines, please use a pastebin such as
http://rafb.net/paste/ (details: gentoo-detailed/error)

no because its a hard depend on gnome, i dont know enough about why gnome needs it,

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge =dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.22 |||||| dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.22 (masked by: missing keyword)
:?

it's not needed it's just a part of a virtual package

you unmask this version of gnome ?

http://rafb.net/p/XnVmf141.html

teach ssorg env abuse use

environment abuse USE: Please don't use "USE='use flag' emerge foo" syntax to emerge packages for real. Portage will forget your settings and mayhem will ensue. Instead, use make.conf to store global useflags, and /etc/portage/package.use for package-specific useflags. If you just want to test
the effect of a USEflag, use emerge with the –pretend flag.

It is not obivous where it fails.

Skunky#/ i tried the correct way

you can try adding it to package.mask but you may need to remove it from the depends of the ebuilds that fail

http://rafb.net/p/XnVmf141.html

this is starting to get very dirty and your probably going to have "unexpected" results

KWhat4, you're right
this is beginning to be VERY direty

it would help if you were trying to emerge something that's not masked… like 2.1.22-r2

Skunky#/ i pasted it earlier
-r2 fails

KWhat4, I think i'll roll back everything

are u there?

you running a masked version of gnome or the green version ?

can MRTG give me a multi device overlay on a single graph…that is, i have a bridge with a bunch of different interfaces and i want to know the bandwidth for them all as well as the overall output/intput rate

the only thing 2.1.22 is flagged for is mips

Skunky#/ i believe i found out why -r2 died

had gentoo-ppc on a mac laptop but the video apps were a mem-monster, gah, back to osx

the green

Failed to generate sasldb2

KWhat4, hold on hold on

Skunky#/ 15487 Segmentation fault | "${ROOT}/usr/sbin/saslpasswd2" -f "${ROOT}/etc/sasl2/sasldb2" -p login

well. that's pretty.

aggreed
how to fix it though
Generating a 10240 bit RSA private key
- might that be it

thats a large rsa key

my irc network runs on that
so does my https

10240 or 1024

hey got a quick question, a game im trying to run through wine is complaining about not enough swap space (requires 2gb) yet I only dedicated 256mb… is there any way to bypass this?

9 CEST 2007 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ AuthenticAMD

KWhat4, I am not using a masked gnome

Any advice on figuring out why the package won't install?

KWhat4, nothing about gnome in my keywords, masked, etc…

im out of ideas at this point… its hard to debug this stuff when you dont use it … ever

nope. other than try using openntp instead.

if the game requires 2GB you need to give it 2gb

KWhat4, I really appreciate it
thanks
will fly home
bbye

byte

is there any way to make it use the space on a different partition? (like say, the main one?)

It's stuff like this that makes me hate linux in general and gentoo in particlar. Nothing works nearly as well as FreeBSD ports.

Failed to generate sasldb2

fixed

nope.

what do you mean?

um. so. go run bsd then.

Skunky#/ know anybody that does

If I could I would. But our local penguinista has "standardized" on gentoo.

hit up the guys on #gentoo-amd64, and check the forums…

i looked in forums
and bugs
nothing

migth also try doing a revdep-rebuild and making sure you don't have something else borked

well, is there a way to 'enlarge' the swap partition? in windows the 'virtual memory' is located on the main partition (unless changed) so is there a way to force wine to use /dev/sda1 (the partition where gentoo is installed) instead of /dev/sda2 (where the swap is located)

revdep-rebuild ?
acx#/ google for "make swap space larger linux"
its fairly eASY
Skunky#/ more details on revdep-rebuild please

um. revdep-rebuild -h

i dont have revdep-rebuild
is that a package

acx afaik you can't make wine use " it's own" swap - you can however make a swapfile and mount it as a swap partition

install gentoolkit

thx

search for swapfile on google.

oh no jakichan told us. *yawn*

man mkswap

acw there is also a nice article in the gentoo.org/doc section
search for swapiness or something

or thrashing?

Skunky#/ found the bug … pax saslpasswd2: stack smashing attack in function __dbh_err()

well. then. that's not the ebuild's fault.

thanks

Skunky#/ hardened rocks wish there was more progress on it though

I have finished installing xorg, and have also installed xfce4 How do i set my computer so when I boot each time I can pick what window manager I want? and login with username/password
I dont want to boot directly to console.

per any manual, xdm

you need to configure xdm (or gdm, kdm, wdm…)

hello,

athlon, get a graphical login

Im installing GDM right now.

what's the difference between

is that what i want?

~sys-devel/binutils-2.17.50.0.18 ** and
sys-devel/binutils-2.17.50.0.18 **
in file package.keyword

there is no diff as far as i can see

~ will also emerge the -r1 -r2 -r3 revisions

oh
nice, didnt know that

I_R_Baboon:are you there?

thechris, but without ~, this entry doesn't work

package.keywords or package.keyword?

package.keywords
sorry for the missing 's'

is there anyone that can help? iam installing gentoo now. but each time after i set root passw he gives installation failed…

all of my taskbar icons are not in my task bar, they are on my desktop like icons, and I cant get them back into the taskbar.. i tried logging out and back in, but that didnt fix the prob… and ideas?

most likelt there is no package for the second one, but there is a package with a -r1 or such which will match the first one

Skunky#/ who would know more about sasldblistusers2
it seems thats messing u

thechris, not quite understand, so you are saying there is not -r1 for binutils-2.17.50.0.18 ?

thanks that did the trick

is there an oracle ebuild?
express edition of course
all i can find are java db utils

Permission denied: access('/', W_OK)…how can I get around this?
np

perhaps dev-db/oracle-instantclient-basic

but is the 'client' the server?
MooingLemur ^^

don't think that works in an ebuild

what doesn't work in an ebuild?

the oracle db

there is in the sabayon overlay

or I could be wrong :P
just seems like there's too much custom crap to do with oracle

in the installer is there a fast way to install only the neccesary use flags automatically?

that an ebuild won't give you much advantage

Permission denied: access('/', W_OK)…how can I get around this?

USE flags are for _optional_ things, so no
you have to pick and choose which you want, or use a prepared profile, or both

is there an IE ebuild? :P

/notice _zofbot3 ies4linux

reisio,k ty

with the exception of 'gnome', 'kde', 'arts', 'esd', 'eds', 'qt', 'qt3', 'qt4', you'll probably want the vast majority of the USE flag defaults the desktop profile provides (assuming you want a desktop at all)
bwith the exception of 'gnome', 'kde', 'arts', 'esd', 'eds', 'qt', 'qt3', 'qt4', you'll probably want the vast majority of the USE flag defaults the desktop profile provides (assuming you want a desktop at all)/b

backups ;p use em in the future

#ceara

reisio, iam new as u can hear .D

/var/log/emerge.log

regenworld

can't hate it that much, then

how do you accidentally delete world?
and how many times have you done this?

Permission denied: access('/', W_OK)… how can I get around this?

invalid option — 4). I'm using a stage-3 tarball that checksummed; gcc 4.1.1, binutils 2.16.1, i686 livecd + stage 3 + make.conf chost. what could be going wrong?

regenworld adds alot of deps you haven't emerged

a_lot

hehe

did you improperly set MAKEOPTS in make.conf?

rm -fr /var/lib/portage/world is a lot like mplayer ~/porn/*

can anyone pls help me with this prob; i get this right after i select my country ; http://pastebin.com/d292fb1d4

haha, yeah. -4 instead of -j4. damn I can't believe I didn't think of that?
*.

is there something like top to list disk access per process … like ohshitmydiskisthrashing what's doing that?

thank you very much

i spend most of my time making fun of people in here, i try to help from time to time

hi! anybody who knows details about unreachable online packages database http://packages.gentoo.org/ ?

yeah, it's unreachable

ugh

emerge -n eix && update-eix && eix –help

Permission denied: access('/', W_OK)… how can I get around this?

Where are you ?

do you have any idea why emerge can complain on something like this?: ROOT=/foo/bar emerge something
tells me it cant access /

does it matter, you don't need to do that, do you?

I do need to do it

reading the docs re java/flash/firefox on amd64 … bit confused, what is the best way to go?

Is there any bash command to set off a system beep?

java works fine, get nspluginwrapper for flash on amd64 firefox
oh, and get netscape-flash too of course

do you know why it isn't reachable and for how long?

k, ta, iamben too

wiki freenot howto amd64

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AMD_64

no, no

if I didn't need to do it I wouldnt have done it ( I can mount my real root as read only atm, and I want to emerge it to a mounted dir)

cheers, reading that …

tell us what you're trying to do, maybe we can help… im pretty sure ROOT=/foo/bar emerge is not the way to do it

you dont even know what Im trying to do and youre pretty sure that how Im trying to do it is not the way? odd… I'm trying to emerge a certain package into a dir other then /

pls anyone know what this is about? i try to install gentoo . this occurs right after i chosen my country . http://pastebin.com/d292fb1d4

bug 158882 ?

https://bugs.gentoo.org/158882 enh, P2, All, vapier@gentoo.org-gli-bugs@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, installer should populate TIMEZONE in /etc/conf.d/clock

any ideas then?

reisio, it was to me ? about the bug?

I ran into a problem with my fs, now everytime it env-updates ldconfig says some files are empty

i apologize, you aren't as far off as i expected

Permission denied: access('/', W_OK)… how can I get around this?
am I off though?

how do I reemerge everything on my box including all libs?

emerge -e world

yupish

emptytree

why?

reisio, ok

it will likely take at least a week if youre on a desktop

you have /var/tmp/portage somewhere writable, correct?

yes

yes… I especially mounted it as tmpfs so that itll be writable (mounted /var/tmp actually)
hold on, Ill paste the entire log

well now since my fs messed up a bit I have problems, even chrooting into the fs, rc doesnt see the init level etc

reisio, how come i have them ? no one ever had them before?

dunno, the installer has never exactly been stable :p

reisio, hehe.p

hello, how to install a tbz2 file? i try emerge -1 –nodeps -K xxx.tbz2
and emerge tells me that You need to adjust PKGDIR to emerge this package.
i set it in /etc/make.conf, but it doesn't work
did I miss something?

put the tbz2 into PKGDIR, then emerge -K packagename

it is in the PKGDIR

looks like I cant… anyway, can we continue w/o log?

well , the situaion might be a bit tricky. I built a amd64 binutils on my x86 machine, and want to install it on another machine

hah we can try… do you know how to step through the emerge process one stage at a time w/ the 'ebuild' command?

no… but I know where it fails - when it tries to install the files (last stage I think)
how do I redirect error to normal output?

but the tbz2 was created using emerge -B right?

iamben, yes, it is.

output.txt" will send stderr and stdout both to output.txt

try "emerge -1 –nodeps -K =binutils-x.y.z"

http://rafb.net/p/TIzHSP23.html
ok, but usually people have something like &12 (except that doesnt work for me rght now so its prolly wrong)… what is the correct way?
besides what you gave that is

i tried. it doesn't work.. it saids no ebuilds to satisfy

is faster

you have to have an ebuild matching the version of the packaged binary

iamben, ok.
i will have a try

iamben, i talked with u about the bug just a minute ago? or was it someone else?

not i

aah, so I put the & in the wrong place… cool. I like the new way better too, but just wanted to be reminded of the old

iamben, k got question, what if i dwnload another arch eg 86x , normally i wont have the same bug aint it?

I_R_Baboon:where are you?
looking for you man!

does someone use kde overlay ?

try #gentoo-kde

you seriously think i can understand that?

lol

iamben, hehe i translate .p [ if i download another architecture like now i got 64 bit i download 86 version so same distro only other architecture..

Which program can I use to extract the source files from an RPM?

what for?

iamben, would i have to same problem there

alien

I have a source rpm and I need the files so that I can build the package.

app-arch/rpm, or app-arch/rpm2targz
but you can use the rpm

your question is way too general

its an issue w/ the installer right? if so, do a manual install and all will be well

ill try ty

saw the link?

bah, what filesystem type should i put for a dvdburner in fstab?

reading, pondering
auto

np, just making sure it wasnt lost

auto.. ok.. weirdness, somehow mine got changed to "audo"

some stageballs are erroneous in that respect
I've seen this come up before.

well mine would have been i486 stage3 as of about 1 week ago

is there a way to make one app use a specific gtk theme without knobbling the rest

anyone have mythstreamtv running? if so i'd love some help

what app?
still a few people in #gentoo-mythtv

i'm looking for docs on making a gentoo bootable usb key

good afternoon. any nxserver experts bored enuf to give me a hand? I've an issue i've not ran into yet

wiki ENIAC2 liveusb

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_LiveCD_and_LiveUSB

well I may not bother now Iwas using xfce's panel and that uses the gtk+ style

i was compiling the kernel in the morning, suddenly there came a warning

…so?

but the panel has got some glitches on multihead display

it's the errors you have to worry about

im being distracted, my isp's DNS seems to have died and its complicating things

unknown host"
where is the configuration file lost?

iamben:

i run gentoo

duh found it with google

lxpanel or fbpanel which should I install now

want the dns server from opendns.org?

woo hoo im in xwindows
finally

.com that is (same thing)

grats athlon! i just got here a few days ago myself and its great!

I need some help getting my sound card to work my soundcard is integrated sis, I enabled the only thing i saw for sis and recompiled my kernel but am having no luck can someone help

i got some servers from guys in another chan, thanks… don't you have somewhere besides floppy you can temporarily write for the install?

athlon:

Well I got interupted by my old girlfriend talking about what we should of and could.So I need dhcpd working it just won't start.

which soundcard do you have?

anyone have viewvc working? I thought it was supposed to get installed with webapp-config but it says that it's not compatible.

wots the best hosting logging daemon to use for a developer setup?

tr3, I belive it is sis,, how do i find out

lspci

floppy is just where I mounted it cause it was an unused dir… in reality it is tmpfs

ah ok

and 6 inside it is a writable partition

it's an AC97 chispet?

2.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev
yes

what's happening?

Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller

is the channel under attack?

this kernel module

i think i have that enabled, let me check

Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller

ok so,
alsamixer and check if the volumes are ok
by default they are at 0

lxpanel is not in portage

lxpanel?

Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller ? ?

Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD MC97 Modem

lol
it's ok
you really need the modem module?
lol

guess not

btw, now check
with
alsamixer
if the volumes are up

wheres that at

I am going to try kooldock

open a terminal
and write
alsamixer
lol

Mike linux based hosting services # alsamixer
alsamixer: command not found
Mike linux #

hm
which package was?

emerge alsa-utils

alsa-utils

alsa-tools i think

lol

which is it utils or tools
lol

utils

get both

ok

it was utils my bad

emerge -vp media-sound/alsa-tools media-sound/alsa-utils

if he doesnt have it, this is is a problem. who wants to bet its not the only one?

and set the right use flags
lol iamben
if someone doesn't have this utils

ideas?

can't set the default volumes

Im doing what u just said tr3

anyone know if there is a howto for setting up sound for gnome? I got it working everywhere else except for my gnome and gnome apps (like totem)

when you have set the use flags that you need just remove the -vp
and install
lol

sadly i have none… whats wierd is it dies just BEFORE it starts the merge portion

emerge alsa-utils
emerge alsa-tools

yes
lol
on the terminal :P

yup
doing it now

do you guys even know what alsa-tools is?

indeed

well, no but someone said to emerge them too
lol

damn kooldock looks a bit screwed up as well

a bird?

i suspect it is a limitation of portage… while you should be able to emerge to a different root, it still expects your system's REAL root to be writable

lo all. Is recovering root still as simple as editing /etc/shadow to remove the pwd then resetting it? Sorry, not usually a Gentoo user

boot a livecd & chroot

I just discovered why

yeah but that way I have to have a gentoo livecd and know how to chroot

do tell

it wants to first upgrade my real packages and only then install to the other root

anyone using kooldock with a box?

and my real root is read only…

how do you expect to edit /etc/shadow without root access?

lol
from a live cd
lol

I have other livecds

i guess it wants all the deps to be in place on your real system before it can think about building the other, huh?
boot ANY livecd, mount your root partition, chroot in, and use passwd. takes 30 seconds once the livecd is booted

its weird though

ahh ok, guide I saw made it sound dependent on the specific gentoo cd, thanks iamben

hmm

do you happen to know where portage stores it's list of installed packages?

now how do i check the sound?
I re-ran lilo and copied the file over
the kernel that is

/var/db/pkg

function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

do i win the pot?

anyone knows what happened to packages.gentoo.org and gentoo-wiki.org ? both seems down

gentoo-wiki.com
gentoo-wiki.com is down all the time - use Google's cache

Ill mount tmpfs over it too… lets see what happens

Can I get someone to help me with putting php module on apache2?

nm, bad idea

went to ##php and they said I'm denied?

yeah this whole thing could get kinda ugly

/msg nickserv help register

maybe try using -B (–buildpkgonly) so it doesnt actually try to merge to the live system?

how?

$PKGDIR should be on tmpfs or somewhere writable of course

what's the procedure?

erm, send that command and it'll tell you

oh ok!

but then how would I emerge the package?

trcan someone help me?
er can someone help me get my sound to work i enabled it in the kernel but it is not seeming to work

are you just trying to get your hands on e2fsck?

yes, but the latest one since the one I have crashes

hello

hi

how long does the install process take?

hi!
29 minutes.

what does " /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient " means when compiling ?

i thought -B should let you build it without it trying to merge to / or writing anything in /var/db/pkg

did alsamixer work?

nope
in dmesg its sayn it dident load

?

i mean roughly

1 to 30 hours

what happens when you launch alsamixer?

yes, but it creates a special package for portage to use

its not that special, its a tar you can just extract to your "fake root" if you like

the linker cannot find a library to link

function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

or the -lmysqlclient doesn't exist lol
hmm
is the kernel ok?

i have to install a lib?

Im checking right now than going to try a reboot

first check if the -lmysqlclient is right
maybe it's not the right name

all of my taskbar icons are not in my task bar, they are on my desktop like icons, and I cant get them back into the taskbar.. i tried logging out and back in, but that didnt fix the prob… and ideas?

how to check?

oh, cool

ehr, don't know _

humm, ok, thx anyway

zless /proc/config.gz
and check if the module is on the running kernel

k

CONFIG_SND_AC97_CODEC

why we were discussing the -B option, I remounted /var/db/ as tmpfs

Nope. I dont think i ran lilo before i rebooted going to give it another whirl be right back

why? or while?

w/o the packages that were supposed to be reinstalled, so it should work hopefully
while
heh
while*

after many many years of everyone's bad irc grammar, i've learned to read over typos without noticing

yame2

heh
didnt work trying B

"emerge -auvND world" isn't detecting an update I made to a package in my local portage overlay… I've already tried an emerge –sync which didn't solve it… any other ideas?

"what if i dwnload another arch eg 86x , normally i wont have the same bug aint it?"

still no go

dies at the same place?

because I have to get the dependencies merged into the system

–digest?

maybe I should just build it by hand?

or -r# it

i was going to suggest it, but if you really dont have the deps installed on / yet, that will be an issue

well, the deps are part of the tarball, so I would thing that if I do it by hand, they will be auto installed

oh ok

thanks, I had already created a digest/manifest for the ebuild… what is the -r# argument? I couldn't see it on either the emerge/ebuild commands?

i was kinda wondering about all those deps, i think i build e2fsprogs for my embedded ARM a few months ago with few/no deps to have to worry about

power might go out :p…
change the version to package-version-r1

s/build/built since typos are still in my mind..

–digest should be enough, though

tr3 alsamixer loads now

my fault, it isn't in my world file (doh!)

but not getting a cd to play or pidgin sounds to work

heh… well, it doesnt require many deps (2) but they are both part of the same tarball… I think it is only a gentoo split of them, since the docs dont mention them

well actually, I had another build in there instead

right

test

man I really need to get some ntp going.. my compy cant maintain the clock fer anything..

athlon:
hm hm
there's a volume for the cd too

I have them all cranked

cranked?

nothn is coming out
turned all the way up

ok
probably
they are muted
there are 2 Ms?
MM
under the volume bars
?

ya
there not highlighted

ok
press m
MM = muted
OO = unmuted

I hit m on the keyboard it lights them up

after unmuting the volumes
exit alsamixer

ya there all 00

and use this command
alsactl store

ok did that

ok
now it should work

when i go to cd player it wont play the music cd i have in there

_
try to play an mp3

I dont have any on here
lol

this is where we need "your sound card works perfectly!" from the warcraft 2 installer

AubreyGurl, are u there ?

ugh this is fucked, I disabled EVERYTHING else besides that one thing in sound
could that be why

?
is it working now?

nope.

hm
lol
you disabled everything?
lol

think thats why?

yes
enable
at least
the masters
and
pcm

where those located in the kernel?

ironfoot, sorry my girlfrien is in "da house"

I disabled everything under Open Sound system

no ext4

disable oss

I see 2 errors in ur dhcpd.conf

it's deprecated

ok

ironfoot, u there?

ah, you were talking about the kernel?

tr3 yes

hm
don't remember which modules i have enabled
btw

disabled

and
ehr

Finally.

what?

Try less newlines.

lol
btw
what are you using to play the cd?

ksCD

hm, don't know why it's not working, try to find a mp3 somewhere on the net and try to play it

1
2
3
4

brb

lol

when using "make menuconfig" with the Linux source, is there a way to jump from a search result to the correct menu?

any apple mac experts here, who can pm me pls?

hrm. maybe try some other channels, to, /msg chanserv list #*mac* though that migh return a lot of results hehe

for ppc help with Gentoo, try #gentoo-ppc

yeah, freenode doesn't like that …

sure they do

should work fine

tr3, i booted to windows in windows it says my sound card is a Realtek Ac'97

yes
we already know that it's an AC97

and i copied an mp3 over to here

have a headache, need help …. do any of the install media support ndiswrapper or a recent version of ipw2200? I've got a killed chicken and egg issue

Does Knoppix support your card?

juk wont play the mp3 file..

some problems with camera… somebody can help ?

hm
can you paste your .config on a nopaste site?

the kernel config?

you'd think so … the version of knoppix I have (much like the 2005.1-r1 media I have with me) throw a wobbly when I try to load the ipw2200 driver … I think they're having issues with the firmware or something … the general advice is to get a newer versions

yes

yes hold on

hey

http://rafb.net/p/PIUSAi84.html

trying to build wine-9999, but the error is the same as on .42

ok, 1 sec

I'm on amd_64, and for some reason the /usr/lib/gcc/ ……………. waitasec, I know what happens

similarly, I have windows drivers for the card, but knoppix 5 has "issues" with ndiswrapper …. so until I solve one or the other, I'm confined to basic XP pro or knoppix via gprs

dammit I have to rebuild gcc :/

AFAIK wireless support on Gentoo disks is minimal at best, you should try other live/rescue disks and hope that you find one that supports your card..

or boot into a working system and burn ndiswrapper to another CD
that's what I did

Well you should tell Nazzy|Knoppix how you did it..

yeah, that's why I was hopeful of getting knoppix working … I thought about grabbing the networkless install disks

I just kinda did ._. there wasn't much to it

tr3 it wont let me msg u i dont have a registerd nick give me a sec

I miss plug and play lol

ok

how can i proced? http://rafb.net/p/jhMqk731.html

I also miss connections with speeds higher than ~14.4k modem and working on something other than a laptop … but those things I can survive a few days without

ironfoot, where art though… ?

*thou

alageasia, lol - y, my bad

i keep getting "No running windows found" errors when i run firefox

firefox is somtimes really titring:-)

crypticreign, do you need help getting around that, or are you just stating the fact?

sorry, yes, was wondering what was causuing it and how to stop the error

maybe killing its process …

crypticreign, well the problem is the proces is running and needs to be killed

You can start firefox in several ways, in one mode it tries to use existing running foxes to add a tab to

anyone else notice the new firefox is kinda sluggish or is that just me?

crypticreign, do you know how to kill a process?

I'm not sure if this resuse mode can be forced or you have a dead firefox in the background that needs a kill

this is even after a box reboot
first copy of firefox opened
yes

if I have a diff file and a file to patch, how would I patch it?

hello for all friends
anyone can help me with a error when compiling ?

teach nickmarinho ask

Just ask, don't ask to ask, don't ask who's familiar. Don't ask if anyone knows about it. Just ask the question, it's the easiest way to get people to answer

Hello all how do I get to init 5
I need to kill x

Is it started with xdm/gdm/kdm? Then simply /etc/init.d/xdm stop will do
you change init level with init

I'm having problem when compiling app-mobilephone/moto4lin

ahh I need to rin Xorg -configure I have no file in its plase
run**

http://rafb.net/p/MTC2sr29.html

wise man says, you can lead an ostrish to water :-)

Miravlix, Im trying to change my screen res as well as add beryl features the file isnt there to change
I only have /etc/X11/xorg.conf" [New File]

I'm trying to use firefox-bin
/usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: line 119: 13367 Segmentation fault $(type -P aoss) "$mozbin" "$@"
google was .. inconclusive
system is amd_64

Miravlix, so xdm stop will kill x?

so will ctrl+alt+bkspace
atleast restart X

I'm trying to compile app-mobilephone/moto4lin
http://rafb.net/p/MTC2sr29.html

Hey guys, I just emerged quake3-bin and when I try to run it I get this: "Sys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg" Any ideas?

google that one, you'll see

Help me please!

Don't think we can, looks like the ebuild is broken

Pilot, maybe because you emerged only bin

are you root?

crypticreign, what have you tried (rm -rf ~/.mozilla, add nsplugin & java web host to /etc/make.conf flags, etc…)

yes
i'm root

hmm

ebuild broken, how can ?

i havent tried anything yet, thanks for the suggestions

very odd, your getting denied

what else was I supposed to grab?
checking

another softwares install normally

crypticreign, 64 bit ?

Wont matter it's a sandbox violation, you can't get around that, need to get the maintainer to fix the ebuild is my guess

Pilot, maybe the whole game
i donnow

Well wouldnt the binaries be the game?

quake-bin, wont maybe contaign the configuration ??

nope, 32-bit

you didnt find the conf file right ?

nope

okie crazy idea … I have an ext3 partition … if I grab a copy of ndiswrapper latest, the approprate windows drivers, and shove them both on the drive … then boot in to 2005.1-r1 … and compile and modprobe ndiswrapper …

who can I fix this error ?

is it likely to work? :P

crypticreign, seg faults ?

pilot, your error is default.cfg

none

maybe its the default configuration ?

maybe reinstall the sandbox ?

I know. But I dont have that file at all.

check bugs.gentoo.org if it's a known issue and add your comment to it or file a new bug report

this is a fresh install time, from yesterday
*install too

are there any other packages with the name quake3 ?
try to make a search

A tonne.
Most are just mods and stuff

crypticreign, no running windows found is all it says?

Although there is just a "quake3" ebuild

pilot, tryx to emerge it then

yes

maybe it will contaign everything

checking

when i close firefox it says "Firefox exited with non-zero status"

does anyone know what %wa means in the top summary for cpus?

crypticreign, I assume revdep-rebuild does not help & emerge -eavDN world does not ask to install anything NEW

hi, all
http://packages.gentoo.org/ is down?
here I can open the mainpage, but not this packages search page,

/topic

crypticreign, does running firefox as root give you any additional info ?

hello all

HI !!

how do I add features (beryl setings and screen res)if there is no xorg.conf?

crypticreign, do you have strace? "strace firefox" & paste

hi, xorg fails to start, although its log doesnt contain any errors
i have posted a topuc with all the logs on http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-574448.html
but i couldnt find a solution :-(
is there any hope to solve this ?
could this be a problem with fonts ?

NewCastle|lappy, Xorg -configure & xorgconfig can generate 1 for you
NewCastle|lappy, your choice
holytrousers, /var/log/messages

please i will have to reboot cos im not under genroo
thanx for your patience
dmesg will be okay ?

Hi

I_R_Baboon, Xorg -configure makes one that wont work so you are sying to try the other way you typed then?

sure… (you can fine tune later)

thanks

two questions … 1/ what's on the gentoo livecd 2/ what's on the gentoo live dvd?

Aah, we had a little accident, so the live DVD contains my collection of pink bunnies.

living stuff

they're both media you can boot a computer from to install Gentoo, fix some minor problems, do some minor testing, etc (you can use it with no hard disks in your system)

neat! I love bunnies :P
okie … perhaps wrong question … are we talking X environment, webbrowser, make, gcc, ndiswrapper… what extent of tools are on it heh

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo

okay, this is insane
I have an irreproducable error in an ebuild
(wine-9999)

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-573550-highlight-.html

if I take the command that produces the error

plz help

go into the folder, and run it
(x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -I. -I. -I../include -I../include -D__WINESRC__ -Wall -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -march=nocona -O2 -pipe -o request.o request.c)
it builds, smoothly
but if I use emerge, it fials.
*fails.

wine-9999 = latest SVN build? which explains why it'll be very buggy

yes, but the error is the same as in .42

what is the specific compilation error?

request.c:148: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'fprintf'
I think it's because some headers are broken

nope, it'll be an "error" not a "warning"

hello

yes, I use gentoo as my primary os … but I can't see an answer to my question on that page :/

right, sorry
wrong line

well i am back
and the dmesg

request.c:148: error: 'stderr' undeclared (first use in this function)

look under the 2007.0 column for a list of software versions included on the latest LiveCD/LiveDVD

How do i emerge a program on an AMD64 system as a x86?

anyway, at this point I'm pretty much sick of it
installing wine manually

Or use www.gentoo-portage.com to see which versions of software are available for installation on a fully updated Gentoo installation

well should i paste some lines in the froum page ?

anyone know what is going on?

that is a problem in the source code of wine I imagine?

it's not
it's something on my box
some header conflict
I'm making manually now
f** this error

hey, sorry for this stupid quesiton, but what's a reasonably safe way of adding eth0 and eth1 to /dev ? thanks.

there isn't any such thing as a /dev entry for the network interfaces, i wish..

my dmesg contents are on http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4181175.html#4181175

do you have a copy of the request.c from the temporary portage build directory?

fieldy, create a pipe to a script that calls netcat? hah

ahhh. that helps. so, assuming ifconfig shows nothing and init.d/eth0 says there's no such device, what would you reccomend?

virdiq, did you read what I said? if I build that manually, it works.
the very file.

kf
*pokes stupid keyboard*

I think I bleeped up my build env.

livecd 2007.0 has kde 3.5 loaded on it?

so you are using git://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git as the source code in each example?

I am using the file wine cancelled on
er
emerge
so, yes, that's probably it
but the same error happens on stock .42

I keep being told eth0 doesn't exist, but the driver is there and in modules.conf…

hi, i have "digest verification failed" error for one ebuild, what to do with it normally?

?algum brasileiro na sala?

can i just remove *.ebuild?

if it's not shown in ifconfig -a then it really doesn't exist, meaning 1) the module isn't loaded 2) the support isn't compiled into the kernel at all 3) something is broken hardwarewise
teach GuidOxD .br

No such faq

teach GuidOxD br

No such faq, did you mean one of 'bon echo mozbranding', 'brazilian brasilian', 'broken'?

aqui BR

teach GuidOxD 'brazilian

No such faq

CRAP

anyone look at this? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-573550-highlight-.html

teach GuidOxD brazilian

brazilian brasilian: You probably want to ask me about Portuguese.

xD

b=ok i give up

Anyone run (open source) POS software for small businesses?

#gentoo-br

Thanks. it turns out i have an eth1 and an eth2 but not an eth0 :p

You can't run KDE from the LiveCD, but you can install it from the CD (v3.5.5 - see http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2007.0/2007.0-press-release.txt)

that's quite strange, i would suggest a dmesg | grep eth0 and see what pops up if anything

#gentoo-br
xD

brasilian language doesn't exist

Alguem joga tibia ai?

faq Portuguese

Se precisares de ajuda em Portugu?s podes tentar no canal #gentoo-pt ou #gentoo-br.

Play tibia?

I get this:
root@(none) init.d # dmesg | grep eth0
eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
root@(none) init.d # dmesg | grep eth1
eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
oops

Play tibia?
bob

did you get that Fieldy?

bob
BR?

teach GuidOxD Portuguese

Se precisares de ajuda em Portugu?s podes tentar no canal #gentoo-pt ou #gentoo-br.

any fancy/unsupported compiler settings like -O3/etc?

nopes
virdiq, I presume this will work
and it's a problem that's isolated to my box

does anybody remember where in the kernel config one finds DRI?

so don't worry
in make menuconfig, you can push "/" to search

cool

yeah but it makes no sense to me at all if the kernel set up eth0, but ifconfig -a doesn't show it

that's what I was after … I'm interested in what apps are actually in the environment, since I'm lacking a net connection until ndiswrapper or ipw2200 is working

downs, ty

no prob blue

xD

Me neither. This is just a genkernel i'm trying to use to get a proper custom kernel configured right on an embedded box, so hopefully it'll go away

Does anybody play tibia here?

genkernel has issues on the desktop. There is no way that I would trust it to even spell embedded.
teach GuidOxD topic

The main topic of #gentoo is _support_ for Gentoo Linux. If your question isn't Gentoo-related, or if it's Gentoo-related, but not support-related, ops may ask you to move the conversation to #gentoo-chat or another more appropriate channel.

yeah, i don't trust it. that's why i'm buiding a custom, but gotta get into the box first…

0am and I've been fighting with this network card for several hours

I have a problem with excessively large log files.

why dont you go sleep, you'll be concentrated tomorrow morning

logrotate

Or rather, I login and watch my free space dissapear because /var/log/messages gets flooded with error messages. I tried to set permissions to read only, but I'm not sure that'll work

you can install Gentoo "offline" as well, until you have the network setup (you just need to make sure you burn the packages needed for wireless networking to another CD beforehand)

your mind is surely foggy, it makes it hard to concentrate

Because I'm afraid to try anything else, is there anyway I can get whatever's writing to /var/log/messages to shup ;|?
And also, to find large files?

kill your log daemon. Mine is sysklogd

Okay.

gcc-config -l (how many results show up?)

I was trying to get the initial work running while I slept heh
that may yet be my solution :/

What about finding large files? I use spacemonger in windows, and if I could get X running, I'd do the same. But I don't think "find" has any size parameters.
No wait, nevermind, it does. sorry ;X

I always find it easier to just move the computer next to a router/switch and plug it in via a short cat6 jumper

just one, but I screwed around with a manual gcc install

find has every kind of switch you can imagine.

Samatros, find the source of the errors

find / -name 'stdio.h'

is there a way to see if a program is supported in a particular layman overlay without adding them all?

also /etc/init.d/syslog-ng stop

maybe you need to reinstall glibc to fix/update your standard C libraries?

virdiq, that might .. take a sec

running firefox as root shows the same No running windows found error, but nothing else

it's okay, wine seems to be the only package that breaks that way

anyone? lol

that would normally be the solution, but I'm not at home (hence most of my headaches from doing this heh)

http://source.winehq.org/source/server/request.c#L148

and?

* include/msvcrt/stdio.h, line 125

.. er
.._.

oi
alguem online?

I don't think that's what they mean.
fprintf is standard C.
the msvcrt headers are not included there, right?
virdiq, you don't need to spend your time on this.
I mean, it's appreciated but also unneccesary.
+s

I'm just curious why the problem would occur (but it seems to be Wine specific, not something related directly to your glibc build) ?

mmhm

how do i to get recursive directory "wget -r *.bz2 files!"?

try adding "#include ../include/msvcrt/stdio.h" into server/request.c

the msvcrt include doesn't belong in there!
:o
the msvcrt include is part of the MS Visual C runtime!
(or rather, wine's version of it)
request.c is unix code, not windows code!
request.c is hosting on unix based servers code, not windows code!
oh, in related news
making wine manually worked
installing now

has anyone been able to successfully build =qt-4.3.0 ?

What is the best way for me to identify what modules are being loaded by my system and therefore should be included in a kernel? I'm not sure I understand the lsmod output well enough.

after i emerge a font package, what do i have to do to be able to use it?

What in the heck could be wrong with my config that I get 2000 header errors on make menuconfig?

I'm not too sure then… are you manually building out of /var/tmp/portage/… ?

yea :p
xt4100 wine # wine –version
wine-0.9.42
WHEEEEE

its been a while since ive been on my linux box, do to my move, and im wondering, hows the support on pci based wireless n cards?

are you just building it with "make"?

yep
mees, works here

crypticreign, strace firefox

what can I say

good to hear, im looking to by a linksys nic for my wireless since im switching from ethernet to wireless, but im going to redo my system completely, so all should be good
second question, anyone have any complaints with compiz fusion?

meese, to make that clear, YMMV.

please post example of errors at pastebin.ca, post the URL here

I do not have any knowledge about the state of wireless on linux.
I was just offering a single data point.

curl is such a retarded version of wget

ymmv?

jfgi
j/k
your mileage may vary

i wasnt really asking the state, more along the likes if anyone has any issues
lol, k

bbl

*always* check to see how well a wireless chipset is supported in Linux (http://linux-wless.passys.nl/)
before you go out and buy a card… also do a google search on your proposed card and whether any forum posts state that people have got it working

ok

curl is a library used in software, so a curl stand alone implementation is not reallyt he point of it

compiz-fusion is beta quality, complaints would be… lack of a proper compiz-fusion release from the developers

Miravlix, yea i know but osx doesn't have wget out of the box
it has curl

they are making an official compiz-fusion release soon

What is the current state of sli on linux?

yeah, i read about that, the logo looks decent
my question was because i had issues with borders in beryl, they would always blank out, and i hated that, it only happened with the latest update to beryl i had then

goddammit something broke my dammed gcc when i moved htis image from the machine i built it on onto this box

http://erxz.com/pb/3978

I don't so much have a support question, but … What available emerge package would be best for batch converting2137 WAV files into MP3 files? Anyone?

I'm using HDA Intel in a Realtek ALC861 chip, but even with everything configured using alsaconf, I can't play any sound!

Dominicus, a sh script ..

i have the same chip i think

matt271, and everything workign?

i had to enable something else on the kernel config before it worked
i forget exacly what it was i can try and find it for u

matt271, don't you remember?
matt271, would be really nice if you can

run alsamixer and unmute the audio channels and turn the volume up, then try again. But, there's also a command available some palce that lets you pipe random data to your audio devvice to test it's ability to let you hear the audio.

Dominicus, Thats sounds scary hehe

i was about to go get high and watch that new adam standler movie, but what the hell im a nice guy

hey Ive installed gentoo 2007.0 and I'm trying to make a router.. I wasnt able to emerge dhcpcd because I dont have an internet connection so I downloaded it on my other computer and installed it via a usb stick.. ie i built dhcpcd myself.. now when i try and configure eth0 with dhcpcd it
says theres no dhcpcd client

A bash script. Um.. okay. But what utility will do the WAV to MP3 conversion.

Dominicus, http://gentoo-portage.com/Search?search=mp3+encoder

ok, i must be blind.. is there documentation for adding an ebuild to my box that is using layman overlays? (this particular ebuild isnt in any overlays)

Dominicus, it's "unmuted" and the volume is on the max… I tryed using banshee player and the gnome sound configuration

let see… i had to modulize something and emerge something….. is there any easy way i can just send u my kernel config?

can anybody tell me why some very popular webapps (wordpress, phpbb, …) are masked in portage? i guess due to security reasons, but then again, this is some strange concept, having the packages in the repository, but making them inaccessible

what comp do u have? is it hp m7350n?

does this mean gentoo is not recommended as a webserver?

I did it when setting up my HDA Intel Conexant audio. But, ensuring that the audio drivers were working was paramount, before trying to get KDE to channel audio application output to the appropriate sound system.

For non-enterprise, I would say 'sure'

Dominicus, setting up sound can be fun

it is either because they haven't been tested, they have security faults which are unfixed, any number of reasons

matt271, yes, there is….just send me the .config file that is into the linux hosting src folder

kk hold on

So can pulling teeth with pliers.

Dominicus, indeed :-)

anyone? layman? custom overlay?

what do you mean?

www.rapidrip.ca/blah

ShockValue, gentoo-wiki has a doc on that and portage, I think,

I would use it for non critical systems personally

if they haven't been tested, they should be in testing

does anyone know how to fix my problem?
ie how do i get my machine to realise that ive installed dhcpcd

Gentoo is perfectly OK to use a web server except that patches are not backported to older versions of software (as is the case with other stale distros)

u get that link?

i see. then what to do if a company wants to use, let's say the most popular blogging software…

are you talking about hard masks or the ~ mask?

hard masks
they are all hard masked

if i were you, not matter what distro, I would install wordpress, etc by hand

for months it's been like that

matt271, yeah! now I got! I just don't know from where begin…..

i know its more of a hardware question, but what do you guys think for next upgrade, go for the native quad amds or wait for penryn on intels side?

what would be the point of that exercise? making sure that you're not getting updates through your package manager?

meeseontheleese, imo, all ways go amd, :-D

… going to lunch

meeseontheleese, If your only option is x86 arch….

It's personal perference, I can easily stay on top of new releases that way, I know worpdress realeases a lot
*releases

how do i set the default dhcp client for a machine?

then again i run rhel on 40 enterprise web servers

for gentoo
*

crypticreign, have you rm -rf /home/paul/.mozilla/firefox/

i followed a guide off something but i cant rem what
smoked too much weed sorry :P

matt271, no problem

i think it called itself a "matrix"

matt271, but I think I found

if u cant get it ill prob be in here tomorow and i can look it up mor eofr u
but im going now cya

hello?

it is probably because those web scripts are not supported by Gentoo

something up with packages.gentoo.org?
haven't been able to access it for about 24 hours

crypticreign, if it still does nor work emerge mozilla-firefox again
*not

anyone know what chipset linksys uses?

meeseontheleese, many
meeseontheleese, depending on chipset

shite
any idea what site might give me an idea?

meeseontheleese, i meant chipset & vs.
google linksys your_model chipset
meeseontheleese, i meant model & vs.
too stoned

I will try the two items you suggesteed in order, thanks

lol, that snice to know

see http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-545662-highlight-wordpress.html (a developer seems to indicate it is because of constant security issues)

well that had some info.. but i didnt see antying on how to add my own local portage overlay

welp, rm -rf .mozilla/firefox didnt fix it
guess Ill try the re-emerge

ShockValue, I have not tried it yet my self, Just rem seeing a doc on it there, or I would of gave ya a direct link :-) Any one else ?

actually i might have figured it out with a bit of tinkering.. let you know in a minute

okay guys, im not having enough luck, http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1144763512962&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=1296223093B04
what im going for

What is the hal use flag good for?

n3kl been a while, but hotpluging usb

been a while what?
is it still prominant?

n3kl since ive been in my linux box, moved july 6th, still havent seen it

euse -i hal … [+ C ] hal - Enable Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) support

any news about packages.gentoo.org?

offline until further notice

bandwith_ is that so bad?

i've seen that questioned asked about 40 times today
:P

it'd be nice for an official notice on GWN or gentoo.org

yes, it is the current standard… see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29

bandwith_ Yes you are right

can you use www.gentoo-portage.com for now?

emerexit
oops

crypticreign, if after emerge still does not work paste "cat /var/log/messages | grep firefox"

How do I create md devices in /dev?

ok

anyone know if there is a pack of snippets for gedit out there?

line 2232 of inet Errors from xkbcomp are not fata

l to the X server

anyone run bibble pro on their machine? i cant seem to get it to run.. says its missing libraries so i run rev-dep rebuild, which re-installs the program, but no libraries.
error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

oh, dear
I set my root password to something from /dev/random
and now I think I need it to add a printer to CUPS
it's asking for authentication
is that right?

yeah
cups wants root passwd/user
ShockValue, emerge -av1 libstdc++

but I's a sudoer x.x

if you forgot your root password just boot to the livecd, mount filesystems, chroot and reset the password
bif you forgot your root password just boot to the livecd, mount filesystems, chroot and reset the password/b

blair or do some reading on cups to see how to setup special cups user n stuff

eh, can't I just sudo passwd root?
ok

blair of course

sudo access should be blocked by default

but cups needs root passwd

some other distros i'll leave nameless leave this neat little security hole wide open lol

dammit, what do i do to create my vg nodes…
my /dev is so screwed up…

shit

yeah I just have it so that only wheel users can sudo, and I kept the rest of my family out of wheel

bob__ unpack it from the stage3 tarball again?

vgcreate/lvcreate

having fun with lvm?

whats up all

see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml

line 2232 of inet Errors from xkbcomp are not fata

just updating servers here

unfortunately, the vg's and lv's already exist. i'm taking a NAS with nice hardware and replacing the kernel and distro on it.

oliv3r, usb keyboard?

Thank you!

Hello all, When i am emerging Syslog it is giving an error like "gcc-config error: Could not run/locate "i486-pc-linux-gnu-gcc"". Please help me out…

ali3nx, ps2

Hello, i'm having the worst of luck with xorg-x11. After a blistering 6 hours of downloading and installing the packages, my xorg installation has finished. I didn't do anything, and it wouldn't run. So I decided to completely follow through with the instructions on installing the nvidia
proprietary drivers, which likewise didn't work

oliv3r, did you create your xorg.conf with Xorg -configure

'didn't work' isn't good enough

genixpro "it doesn't work" is the mark of a windows user

anilomkar, did you check your gcc-config

if they already exist… don't create new ones!

ali3nx, i just copied the .example, cause ati drivers need a file :/

was there an error message? at what point did you conclude that it doesn't work?

ali3nx, lemme try that though

how is it deviating from the expected behaviour?

modprobe nvidia
Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.21-gentoo-r4/video/nvidia.ko): Unknown symbol in module or unknown paramter (see dmesg)

hi ppls. I have folloed Photoshop#gimpshop tutorial on gentoo-wiki, but when i trye to emerge it after following steps, i get error from portage stating its no ebuilds satisfying "gimpshop". What should i do, thanks for your time.

oliv3r, the probed config will work in most cases but now that you mention it ati is the execption

vgscan, then vgs and lvs to list volumes

please bare with my i had to copy that from another computer

oliv3r, yes my gcc-config pointing to "i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.2.0"

ali3nx, well it works without the ati driver, but i need the ati driver cause i only got a tv as monitor, so i need the xorg.conf for aticonfig

anilomkar, did you change your CHOST variable in make.conf at any time after install?

*nod* oksorry :P

unknown symbol i2c_del_adapter"

oliv3r, pastebin the section of keyboard in you xorg.conf

if I install alsa built-in the kernel, should I use the alsa-plugins or not?

which nvidia driver version?

ali3nx, no i didn't changed it

also what vidoe card do you have?
video*

u shouldnt need to

lilminime,

chjunior, not required with built in alsa… just use modules for alsa if you go with in kernel style and then setup alsa-utils

I'm presuming the latest available when I do emerge nvidia-drivers but i'll get the exact version

are you using a stock gentoo-linux kernel?

I have an XFX chipset with a Geforce 6600 LE

have any of you installed pidgin? i installed it with no errors but it doesn't look like it installed an executable gui

bleh I need a remote restart button…seems my system downstairs crashed but I don't really wanna carry a monitor down there and hook it up

only a console version

ali3nx, to use jack for example… I need alsa-plugins, right?

ali3nx, ok the probing gives me a sig11, i'll try unloading the fglrx module and such so that it can run/detect with the radeon driver, which seems to work, as i can ctrl-alt-backspace out of the garbled boot

it sounds like your kernel doesn't have i2c support compiled in (or maybe you need to the load the module for it)?

i used gtk, tcl and tk use flags… so wtf?

yes, the one for amd64 with the patches and such

using the latest ~amd64 Pidgin with no problems

chjunior, i havent used jack in ages… uncertain

where in the kernels menu_config is i2c support?

i am on amd64 but unmasked the latest pidgin i think

oliv3r, probeonly doesn't work with ati-drivers… ati stupidity

that web page was helpful, but my problem is this: the VGs and LVs already exist, and show up in vgs/lvs. the problem is, there are no nodes in /dev

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cploosh i suppose im a noob but if by state you mean where the pointer is pointing couldnt you store the &var

string

regular string? as oppose dto an irregular string?

So I need to stream the stringstream to an std string/
?*

i don't know wha tyou are using it for
if you are using teh stringstream to produce a string, then yes obviously you do

to u_char[]? Iterate through the vector, increment i, and do u_char[i] = current-iteration of the vector?

why convert it? you can use &myvector[0]

orbitz, I have to manually construct u_char[] to send as raw packets, will that (&myvector[0]) work with that process or one like it?

linux time

so saying that that casting between types is abusing the concept of inheritance/polymorphism.. why is there RTTI/dynamic_cast ?

of course
there are some sitautison wher eit migh tbe useful

orbitz, mmm. cool. thanks! my life just got easier!

i've asked you 3 times to explain what you are tryign to accomplish. Are you actually going to do this or keep on asking pointless questions?

Ok then… ill do my best
ive got a base class "Object"

oh god
already soudns like a terribl start

forget it then!

*shrug* ok, i'm not th eone here askign for help so that's not much of a threat

lame! If you want to help, then help, but if you're going to give me un-constructive critizism, i really dont want the help. Its that simple

yo

well jee, it' sno tliek you gave me any chacne ot be constructive
you immediatly got defensive rather than asking why i would have such a reaction s soon
so if you're just goign ot cry abotu thigns then i dont' care

I'm a bit worried my program is using too much memory. It is currently running on a high performance server, and the stats shows it's currently at 6%. Yesterday it was 5%. Is this a problem? (Note mysqld runs at 1% stable)
Errm, .6%, and .5% not whole numbers.
1.0%

% of memory?

orbitz, Yes.

how long as it been running?

3 days.

1/10 of a percent over one day isn't a very good indication of a long term trend

how much memory do you have total?

and it was about a day from .5% to go up to 6%.
..6***
Flannel, Let me see if I can find that out for you.

giv eit time, if it gets upto 2% you might ened ot do somw ork

orbitz, What could possibly be the problem? Not deleting old memory properly?

whats the point of having a high performance machine if you only use 2%, go easy on me, I have never done IT/mem managment stuff like that

I find it hilarious that anybody is even trying to humor this question when we have absolutely no information on which to make an assessment of whether or not you are using too much memory

SnakeChomp, My real worry is that the memory is increasing over a period of time.
SnakeChomp, Really. The there is information as to my proporations of mysqld.

by .1%? oooh scary
we dont know anything about mysqld, or about what your program does

SnakeChomp, But there should be no reason why it increased when there are less people using the server.

if your server runs out of memory, then you have a problem. If it doesnt, you don't have a problem.

SnakeChomp, Therefore I raise my question.

Trent, its just that one to three days is not enough data to indicate a long term trend

jimmygoon, It's too early to tell. That's true.

If you want to test for memory leaks you need to do a specific test, ie heavy load testing
or use valgrind

SnakeChomp, No I don't need to test for that right now. Thanks tho.
SnakeChomp, I guess I was worried that my application is almost #2 in memory usage for the entire server.

you are not even using 1% of ram
seriously

SnakeChomp, It's a high performance server tho. And 1% on one server could be something else on another.. It's ratios really.
SnakeChomp, That's why I said mysqld (the highest) is using 1%

any high performance server has at least 1g of ram and 1% of 1g is 10m, which is nothing
so if your server only has 128m of ram you might in trouble

But there isn't anything wrong with trying to be efficient?

Hey

one percent
that is all

SnakeChomp, I've just been thinking. My application is no where near to as powerful as mysqld.

if you consider mysql to be powerful…
the memory usage of mysql obviously depends on how many people are using mysql on this server
if nobody is really using it, it wont take up much space

Where can I find resources on how things are 'supposed to be done' in a software development setting?

(C++ noob here) How can I extract the 1st N significant digits from a long double float

SnakeChomp, Very true. Yes, it depends on it's load.

?

hei guys,lets say i have pointer int *p1, but i want to save the state of pointer..like lets say its pointing to 3… i thought of using a *temp (temp=p1)…But then only i realised its a bad idea as temp will keep pointing to p1…any other solutions

You cannot use mysqld as a memory footprint reference without knowing how mysqld was implemented. it likely uses no memory until someone connects to it and starts running queries, and even then it might allocate that memory in the process doing the quieries

SnakeChomp, Perhaps i'll just use megabites next time then.
bytes*
..

anyone out there… or is my qn too improperly structured…. appreciate some feedback…thanks ..

look at other people's code. you really just have to accept that for a few years your code will be sucky until you get a feel for things.

you can take a look at "the cathedral and the bazaar", but the best way to learn is to read other people's code, like phrosty said

I feel like I don't make nearly as much progress as I should, because of how we run things. This isn't just a c++ topic, but I figured you guys could *point me in the right direction.

cploosh, i suppose im a noob, but if by state you mean where the pointer is pointing, couldnt you store the "&var" and make a new pointer later from that?

I know our group doesn't perform nearly as well as we could, but I am too young and inexperienced to know the correct way.

there is no ultimate way to do things, only "common" ways

the thing is that in my program i am doing ,,, there is no object…just pointers… so lets say i have a pointer
int *p1=new int(3),*temp;——
temp=p1//here i wanna store the current status of where p1 is pointing…
but later i do (*p1)++… but *temp also gets updated… is there a way so that temp can keep pointing to original p1

(*p1)++ will increment the value p1 points to, not p1.

desu.

ossu

que su?

mmm… quesadilla

anyone here use c++.NET?

incrementing a pointer through memory sounds odd to me in the first place o.0

why would anyone want to use that :/

It doesn't exists anymore

wouldnt that land you on essentialy random memory?

You mean… c++/CLI?

I guess i'll be the first to tell you that C++/CLI is offtopic here so noone will help you

what else is there for gui building? 1gb borland? :P

straight win32 (not as evil as people make it out to be), WTL

ah, i see

you lie!

i think… nvm

godling just doesn't have the mojo

pffft

yeah c++ CLI, compiles to MSIL code, like javas byte code

:P

godling doesn't use windows. :P

const temp = p1?

godling, is that a james gosling typo?
some people think thats it #include studio.h

Yes, it is. I'm James Gosling.
In a C++ channel.

gosling can code in c++

on irc

he might hang out here

cploosh, const temp = p1? forgot the name-ping thing

is temp a constant pointer

.. right, sry, noobness kicking in..

or is there such a thing in the first place

kicking in?

kicked in, and kicking more

do you have a button nose?

geordi, "no, godling";

no, godling

seems like that isnt the soln… seems like i have use the objects instead.. thought of doing it with just pointers alone…i was really hoping there was a way where you can store the content of Pointers…without explicitly using objects..
just one last thing…what i am describing above…is that some wrong concept with regards to C++ …

a button nose?
what's that

a nose
made out of a button

i don't smell buttons.

the song says you have a button nose

a small nose

i'm fairly positive that's a negatory

oh, maybe you're not him
http://community.livejournal.com/problemaday/81205.html

am I lost? ….arghhhh…..

const pointers do exist, yay

i tried that… but *temp kept changing when I changed *p1 …

weird
i just tested that, and i got effectivly two pointers
temp stayed on the old value for me

can pass me that code snippet… i will be pleased…

sure
its kinda um.. full of couts

cout is win

i was thinking python and writing c++
http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=39865
forgot my output

lol wtf, that's a lot of cout's….

output added
i told ya Walt_ :p

why do you make a new cout every time :/

how do i concentrate again :/

can you do it without using the (int) datatype…

and not cout"i :" i "\n"

You know you can chain couts, right.. ?:p

?

!there we go
i know there was a symbol
couldnt remember it
ill try with another type
a quick object

the catch is that , you got to do it without using any objects …just pointers
cos the library i am using , doesnt let me create objects..just pointers..
U get my predicament now…

if you cant make an object
what is the pointer pointing to?
are you using it as a normal integer?
sorry

I tried doing this… SoSelection obj…
'SoSelection

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hi all I have a couple of server running HA and mirroring hard disk using drbd Now one of the hd is giving me

its 102.168.3.0 = localnet
whcih is my extern network wan..

please name your networks something sensible, thanks
yes, but on the box you're working on
its your EXTERNAL network, not "localnet" by any means

#hardware

ok - less people there, but ok…

route del -net 192.168.3.0

lewis222, but more on-topic.

tbf, i have no clue, never had to buy that in london ;-)

where are the c header files in debian?

lvh

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i was in here a couple hours ago asking how to send a bunch of files over netcat someone also mentioned that i

LSD`, should be… yup using amd64… does the livecd have to be 64?

Synx-Laptop: I'm not sure, possiblyt

oops, sorry about the garbage chars.
Synx-Laptop: yes, it does.

its set to mobile pentium III should be mobile pentium IV

damn it oh well ill get the minimal install cd really quick thanks!

I don't think that that would cause any errors but, nonetheless, it would be wise to change it.

for sure….

are you seeing errors that look like this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-462861-highlight-.html?sid=da31cea4afd9071fb346f5999bda693d
I know you get the same dmesg errors, but do you the same messages when restarting alsasound ?

yes

Did you run alsa-conf more than once?

Hey, how do I found out what package gnome-volume-control is in?

i have ran alsaconf probably several HUNDRED times haha

equery belongs

I don't know, but I'm fairly certain that it's in gnome-media.
I assumed you were asking because you didn't have it.

and what package is equery in?
I'm asking because I'm having a problem with it
so I wanted to check what use flags it takes

gentoolkit

oh, then equery (gentoolkit) or qfile (portage-utils) would tell you.
for example: qfile $(which gnome-volume-control)

but i dont know what your getting at, that thread does not offer any solutions

you were right, its in gnome-media, and it doesn't have any helpful use flags

ah but it does…it tells me that alsaconf is writing some list of modules somewhere which is getting loaded up when the service is run…i was just googling to find out what it was doing

did you find anything interesting in the kernel config?

My alsaconf/alsamixer work fine for finding my sound card, but the gnome volume applet says it "No volume control Gstreamer plugins and/or devices found"

this is so weird, running windows xp inside gentoo linux

alright, thats what i was figuring really, but i checked all the conf files i could find for alsa and came up with nothing

I had to restart the entire live cd etc.. it crashed on me
and that was weird
starting the live installer

the only thing I can think of is to check that gst-plugins-base is installed (and that the alsa flag was set).

the gentoo linux installer, in GTK

You do have pci ide dma enabled in the config…and are using the PIIX ide driver. Ok it could be that the PIIX is not the correct ide driver for your system…can you pastebin the output of lspci please

lol, The "Advanced" mode is for people who want to play around with more settings. If you break your install in this mode, don't come crying to us.

can anyone remember the name of the package that lets a non-root user program access files inside an ext2 filesystem image file w/o actually mounting it?

I think I will go wit the standard install :-)

you can use a loop device to mount the image…is that what you mean?

Is there any secure linux web hosting utility that will allow me to copy a files from one folder to another that have been created on a certain 'day'

sounds like the fun mode
no … needs to be doable w/o being root … mounting is not enoughed … I need to create device nodes inside that filesystem
I know I could do it with UML, but that seems overkill

http://rafb.net/p/ua3wSp60.html

hee

why wouldn't cdrecord -scanbus show my cd burner?
I can still use it and burn with it, even though it doesn't show up in there

well, second time.. installing gentoo, was working with debian since sarge 2005, on up to 2007, but really I'm tired of all the dam dependency issues, and the community support. they are rude to me alot, so I stopped going there, and I spent 8+ hours compiling compiz-fusion into etch, and
then I couldn't even get pygtk2.10 configure even after I configured some others to get it working

are the dependency issues just a matter of figuring out what all is needed, or is it more a case of something needed you can't find?

I did configure pygobject, like it was requesting for pygtk, however.. still didn't work

it would be nice if packages never depended on other packages, then … oh wait … no it wouldn't because that would make everything all bloated

the partition I had for debian, I erased.. today :-)
oh crap.. my ntfs partition got erased!
its not set in stoned yet is it?

isn't that the natural destiny of NTFS?

odd the PIIXn is the correct ide driver for your box

I did recommended layout, and set it on a partition that I created.. 32 gb, and it looks like it erased all my partitions ! _

hmmm… that is odd… what else could it be?

depends on how you partitioned it … deleting other partitions is not hard to do

yea, thats what i should of done, argh

what's the difference between than $() construct and backticks?

I exited, so maybe it didn't format it :-)

it's not working

I mean, deleting them when you wanted to keep them

hey Skapare , want to help me with a gentoo latest install?
ah crap!
my ntfs, is gone!
:P

well … not really … I'm prepping for my own

I can get it back wit software, but oh well :-)
think I'm going to play with mandriva corporate desktop 4..
}3
:P

except in my case I'm wrapping it all in a script that will do a cross compile install under qemu

help me pleas!!!

tim eto reboot system, to see if it deleted it

emerge –info please

Wheres a good base to start at for use flags, the make.default has basically nothing in it

in your config "# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set" and this url: http://tuxmobil.org/ibm_r50e_linux_hard_disk_speed.html says that this should be set and also to disable the CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC option. See if that
helps

http://pastebin.ca/598129

umm weren't you on this channel sometime earlier with a similar compilation problem with another program? umm am just asking to see if these problems are related to hardware i.e. memory

indeed

is your system overclocked for example?

no
but the another program it's a bug
i take a patch in bugzilla

ah ok. just wanted to rule out hardware

i think it's not a hardware problem

are you running ~x86 or ~amd64 system or a stable one?

I'm following the xorg guide on gentoo.org, and have a problem

stable one

It says putting DefaultDepth in the Screen section, and Modes in the Display subsection, should change X's resolution. It doesn't

for example i compiled mplayer without problem

DRI module not loaded

are you in the process of emerging world when this happens?

no

So how do I fix that error and how do I set a resolution?

i must emerge world ?

can you try emerge linux-headers and then retry the iproute emerge

ok

no was asking to find out if linux-headers was emergered or not
tch…emerged

Anyone?

what resolution are you trying to make it use?

Any, but it won't change

no

thanks, its working now

The resolution it uses is… 2049×1538???
Regardless of what I set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

great

i dodo
bye

would anyone please take a look at my gyachi-1.0.5 build errors output and see if you know why it is not compiliing properly please? http://rafb.net/p/uLtvm759.html

Which LiveCD/platform do I select for Intel Core Duo?
(64-bit)

core or core 2

core 2

amd64

6600
amd64?! really?

yep, Intel licenced it

ok, thx guys!

Core Duo is AMD64?
What about Xeon?

it made sense. They could have spent millions making their own 64 bit extensions or consumerising IA64 and then try and make OS vendors support it or licence an established prodduct for less

I wish there was some info somewhere on which platforms for which chips…
….like on the gentoo doc/install pages.

Core 1 Duo is 32 bit. All Intel CPUs claiming to suppport EM64T or 64 bit (including Xeons) are amd64 compatible

If that guy bardamu does come back, this link is the only thing I found which matches his problem: http://www.lovebaby.biz/article.php?uid=1&itemid=2 it says he needs to emerge linux-headers and then do a "emerge -uvh
world" before this issue will resolve. Pass it on when he comes online again

anyone able to take a look at my build output and see if there is any info?

/time

Yeah, amd64 - makes sense.
sort of

So can anyone help me set the resolution Xorg uses?
I edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf like the guide says, but it won't use any resolution other than 2048×1536

Do you know the hsync and vsync of your display?

I don't think it has one

Why do you say that, are you using an LCD?

Yeah

CRT is better
much better

What, is Linux incompatible with LCDs?

LCDs are lossy.

especially for me is better
i use many different resolutions

The refresh rates are usually much higher on CRTs also.

and quality

So how do I set the resolution?

Modes "777×777" "666×666" "555×555"
etc.

LCDs has a fixed geometry … anything else used is scan converted … anything with more pixels loses

Under subsection Display? I tried that

show /var/log/Xorg.0.log

3024 lines

grrrr
nopaste
wklej.org

rafb.net/paste ?
emerge wgetpaste ?

ANYTHING
just do it

I have wgetpaste, but only used it once and forget how to use it

omfg

man wgetpaste

No manpage

cat foo | wgetpaste

would anyone have any idea why ssh would stall when exiting ? for example log into my file server, do my thing, then type exit. on the client it takes a long time (minimum of several minutes) before returning me to the shell

Thanks xslr
Either wgetpaste is taking a long time, or it didn't work
Is there a limit?

i dont have a wine windows/font directory i dont think
nvm yes i do

msttcorefonts
corefonts

That took long enough. http://rafb.net/p/ldYzkP63.html

hello
i need your help
how to disable the avahi lib

vesa driver
omfg

when i emerge the kde and gnome ,there is something wrong with that

don't use monolithic kde

Yeah, someone here suggested vesa last night

see if you have a .bash_logout file on the remote host, and if you do, try getting rid of it.
what video card do you have?

Does it happen when sshing to any other computers?

this happens sometime
when i use ssh

I have a Radeon X1900, but I don't know if that matters since I'm running it in a virtual machine

no, we need to know what the VM gives the OS.

How do I find that out?

lspci

Unknown device 1ab8:1131
That's all I see there relating to video

vesa it is then.

What about setting a resolution?
It changes when I start X, but not to what I set in xorg.conf

what the hell is with use flags
every time i use them, keeping in mind that i spent an hour picking them out, every time i try to emerge something it complains about circular dependancy probs

you can only use resolutions that the vesa driver knows how to do….

wtf is that?

I'm sorry, but I laughed out loud at that

no mzbot? waaaaaaaaa

im glad i gave you amusement.

2048×1536? What else can it doo?
*do

if you have more than 10 USE flags, you probably didn't pick the right profile. what's your /etc/make.profile link point to?

anyone recommend a linux friendly bluetooth adapter for my desktop, or are they all good

anything ya know, normal. 640×480, 800×600, 1024×768

I disagree. mplayer can punt you up to 10 all by itself

i want to use the server profile for my new server
however, when i select it and then show it, i get this:

I tried 1024×768 and it didn't work

/usr/portage/profiles//

what's /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about it?

Where would it say it?

ok, that's very wrong.

Bluetooth is quite well supported by the kernel

Skunky, pls give me the cmd to link to the 2007.0 apache geronimo server hosting profile

most devices should work

so any adapter, so the cheapest I can get

(chroot) livecd profiles # ln -snf /usr/portage/profiles/server /etc/make.profile/

eselect?

it's just a symlink… ln -s /path/to/profile /etc/make.profile

i have like 30 use flags
all of the codecs, alsa, -kde, -qt4 -qt3, etc

you didn't answer my question.

i pointed to desktop

Skunky, the trailing slash got me

and no, that path isn't valid.

i think i got it now

eselect profile, no?

/usr/portage/profiles/server

that look ok?

the chipset may be somewhat important - have you checked http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/features.html

yes

i was in here a couple hours ago asking how to send a bunch of files over netcat. someone also mentioned that i could pipe it through a compressor to make it faster. he said either bzip or gzip and he said not to use the other because it won't work. does anyone know which way around it should
be?

but i formatted the laptop to start again

no.

nope, its just I am getting my phone and I want that bluetooth sync to work

there is no such directory named "server" in /usr/portage/profiles.

Scorpaen; foloow the actual links, for me its /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2007.0
follow*
followed by /server or /desktop
sp/links/dir/

cat file | bzip -c | nc ?

friendly12345 that sounds right

"it wasn't me"

friendly12345 what do you mean it's not great

X seems to work fine, but it gives me a warning and an error
Failed to set up write-combining range (0xc0000000,0×1000000)
DRI module not loaded
Can I just ignore those, or are they a problem?

why wouldn't cdrecord -scanbus show my cd burner?
I can still use it and burn with it, even though it doesn't show up in there

IDE burner?

oh DAMN. i deleted my make.conf

its in a laptop

what's a default make.conf for a pII Xeon?

-scanbus usually only lists scsi devices

Anyone?

is the 'G' in gentoo pronounced Gee or Jay?

jentoo

I say like in GENeration

thats what I'm trying, its not showing up in there

which is pronounced like jeneration :p

need to fix the EE ones

so like 'Jentoo' ?

it showed up in ubuntu and fedora, so I know what the scsibus id is, so I can still use it

yes

now what does Gentoo mean?

its just weird that it doesn't show up

How do I fix it?

where does it come from?

a gentoo is a kind of penguin

My guess would be "Generation two", but that doesn't really make sense

that's on the site, no?

Oh, gentoo's in the dictionary

Skunky, i do not have an .bash_logout and it happens from any client, thats the only box that it happens on. and if i remember correctly, it did it on the last install ( i reinstalled when i upgraded the hard drive)

Gentoo \Gen*too"\ (j[e^]n*t[=oo]"), n.; pl. {Gentoos} (j[e^]n*t[=oo]z"). A penguin ({Pygosceles t[ae]niata}). [Falkland Is.] [Webster 1913 Suppl.]; gcide: Gentoo \Gen*too"\ (j[e^]n*t[=oo]"), n.; pl. {Gentoos}

gentoo is the fastest kind of pinguin out there

http://cougar.eb.com/soundc11/g/gentoo01.wav

ahh

dragonheart, why won't my DRI module load?

gentoo wiki safe C flags

w/win 28

!google safe cflags site:gentoo-wiki.com

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags

moo

i've had it happen before too, and other than having a .bash_logout with something in it, i've no ideas.

Skunky, does ssh do any dns reverse look ups on exit ?

not that i know of.

statement

is there anything in /etc/bash/bash_logout? you do know you can ~. to drop the ssh connection, right?

is there something like tomboy but not so gnome based?

there is no such thing as DRI for VESA
what's tomboy?

a note taking tool..

vim

or that envelope on my desk :p

Skunky, just a default file /etc/bash/bash_logout with all comments

Skunky, so what do I do, just disable it?

Skunky, type ~. same as i would type exit ?

i am not alloud to run scripts,, do i need to add my user to a group?

eix -S note-taking return one other result besides tomboy - app-emacs/howm: note-taking tool on Emacs

octavarium, permissions on the script ?

*returned

friendly12345, i'm not a emacs user

dragonheart, yeah, but I commented it out the first time I got an error about it

permission denied
?

~. drops the ssh connection, like ^] quit does telnet

friendly12345, i tried xpad but it's pretty ugly =/

yes, disable it.

How?

octavarium, what script are you trying to run ? sorry if i missed something, havent been reading all of the conversation here

ill give you the rafb link

Skunky, not familiar with telnet

http://rafb.net/p/NzqJDg98.html

hey… is it possible to limit gcc to a certain cpu usage?

mx-zoom: um. no. gcc will use all available cpu. you can set PORTAGE_NICENESS if you want things you're emerging to stop slowing down everything else you're doing…

octavarium, you need to run that as root ? where is the script file ? ls -l myscript ans paste please
mx-zoom, you emerging something and it takes all your cpu ?

yes

Skunky, how do I disable DRI?

you still around

i made the script in the user , not as root, and its at /home/myuser/cs/

you've been told, several times, comment it out of the config file.

mx-zoom, i emerge here with out a problem. i have been fine for a long time without messing with it. but recently i set it to 3, dont think i noticed much difference though.

I said I commented it out the first time I got an error about DRI

even when i try to run it with su, i get permission denied,, altho i can try again. brb

Some of the errors about DRI and such can also be mis configurations of your kernel modules.

something wierd started very recently. I emerged 2.6.21-r3 today and suddently when I was emerging something m system got slow as hell. I reverted to .20 and I still got the problem

obviously you didn't… what file, exactly, are you editing and thinking you're making changes in?

mx-zoom, and i still web browse and watch tv too. is fine. only problem now is the hard drive is full, thats slowing me down alot. (note, this is a p3 800, 512 ram)

how do I get x11 with only the drivers I actually need?

mx-zoom, disk full ?

I don't won't to build every driver available…

xorg.conf, # Load "dri"

set INPUT_DEVICES and VIDEO_CARDS in your make.conf

nope… 20G free

mx-zoom: how much swap free?

will paludis read make.conf?

octavarium, i have asked a few times for the permissions on the file. ls -l ?

oh im sorry

2gb free

dunno, try #paludis

-rw-r–r–
i need x
right?

mx-zoom, well, with newer kernels, i think the scheduling is different. (guessing, i am not a kernel person) what percentage of the drive is full ?
octavarium, yes. chmod u+x myscript

I'm trying to update xkeyboard-config but get http://rafb.net/p/hMDozE89.html
What's the problem?

49%

mx-zoom, hmm, sorry, i am out of ideas then

u+x means user +execute?

Skunky?

mx-zoom: is there some random process showing up in top that's eating all your cpu cycles?

:/. tks anyway mattmatteh

Do I need to comment DRI out of a file other than xorg.conf?

execute

Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)?

so do i replace u with the user name?

i810
no.
man chmod

it only happens when I ammerging something. so I guess it is portage. it happened before, high cpu usage. but it lowred when I started using other stuff. so everyting moved fine. now the fps decreases drastically

octavarium, no, all you have to replace is the file name (myscript) also, might want to take a look at the man page ? man chmod

mx-zoom: verify that you still have DRI enabled.

Do I need to comment DRI out of a file other than xorg.conf?

I'm trying to update xkeyboard-config but get http://rafb.net/p/hMDozE89.html . The problem seems to be with a parser but I have no idea how to fix it

you need to verify that you're actually USING that xorg.conf file.

Changing other things in the file affects X, so yeah

dev-perl/XML-Parser needs to be emerged.

I am but I was just about to call it a night…whats up?

except that changing the resolution doesn't, and commenting out DRI doesn't, so I think you're having problems beyond what we can fix. you need to read the logfile that's generated and figure it out.

just wanted to let you know that i figured it out

Great! What was it?

Commenting out Load "dri" changed the "Screen not DRI capable" error to a "DRI module not loaded" error

so to keep bugging about the tar+netcat filetransfer. What could i do to find the bottle necks. Transfer is happening at around 300k from computer to computer, eventhough the computers sit right next to each other. Is this all hard disk access limitations and is there a way to speed them
up?

So something else is expecting DRI to be loaded, what is it?

me being really stupid evidently, i was not aware that /boot did not mount itself, so when i was copying over the kernels i was actually putting them in my home directory (on hdc3 not hdc1) so the kernel i was booting off was the same everytime……

Perfect, thanks

oh!

WTF are you using netcat for like that? you're not supposed to transfer files like that! use scp, rcp, ftp…. or even sz/rz

haha, the only reason i found that out was i downloaded a new version of the kernel and compiled it and when i went to change grub.conf i found that it was not there

When I emerge world, does it emerge the packages from top to bottom?

ah well. At least it was a simple explanation
glad it worked out

it emerges the packages in the order it thinks they depend on each other in

yeah, for sure, that was probably why my nvidia drivers would not work for me either

Any way I can get that order?

emerge -p world

cause nvidiafb loads just fine now and i bet i could make the real nvidia drivers work as well

If I change my LINGUAS, what command do I need to run to re-emerge packages that support the new languages?

You can try runnning emerge -uDpv world

it's thousands of small files, scp & co turn out to have more overhead than this

Alright thanks!

emerge -uDavN world

How do I get rid of the "DRI module not loaded" error?

Thanks.

does it SAY it's an error?

Yes.

get rid of the AIGLX stuff.

(EE)
How do I do that?

ok. Anyway am off to bed… c ya

peace

Comment out Load "glx"?

Skunky, i was just googling the ssh thing, and it seems it will hang if there are open file descriptors or the terminal is still in use. familiar with that at all. i have only seen it on this one box

Skunky, how do I get rid of AIGLX?
I tried not loading "glx", but then X wouldn't even start

i can't help you.

Using gentoo on a 333mhz pii based system with 96mb of ram sure does make you think of all the bloat/extra features and greater resource usage that applications nowadays use, using pretty much console clients for everything, and dillo for web browsing.

i accidentall made Program Files in wine, how do i remove it? rm Program Files doesnt work

You told me to get rid of the AIGLX stuff.

Would setting my login shell to screen stuff anything up?
rm Program\ Files

jdgbolt, more ram would give that more life

is 500 kbits/sec low for hard disk access, or is that normal?

yes.

Probably, yes.

I get 500 kbits/sec for downloads, so that must be slow

Damn.

Yeah, very true, don't max out the processor too often, only the ram, currently using ion for the window manager.

Just have bash launch screen? :P

farrioth, octavarium rm on a directory doenst work. either rmdir witht the dir empty, or rm -Rf dir (carefull, that will delete without question. typo's are not forgiven !! )

no such file or directory

you can add it to your .profile, so it starts automatically, but you need logic in your .profile if you do, so that it won't try to start screen on non-interactive things.

How do you get rid of the AIGLX stuff?

Did try sticking in 1G of ram from my server that I have laying around, didn't boot up, so had to replace it, they should be the same type of ram, but I guess not.

That's what I'm doing, but it means I'm running alot of instances of bash unnecessarily.

don't tell people to use -f with rm, it's not nice. if you need -f with rm, you're doing something wrong.

Skunky, hmm. ok. i know its not all that safe. i gave a warning with it

Have more than enough ram in the server anyway, considering it came with 9G, got it for $200 off of ebay.

Program\Files doesnt work anyway
no such directory

Oh yeah, forgot I had alias rm='rm -r'.

Skunky?

octavarium, what dir are you in ?

?

octavarium, pwd

i can't help you.

I'm trying to run revdep-rebuild but get http://rafb.net/p/V5MD5043.html Any ideas?

i made Program Files in wine
and i cant use spaces

It was your idea, you should be able to tell me how to do it.

Program\ Files

oh i forgot the space
gottcha

One thing though that is nice is I can use rtorrent on this box, works pretty well too, doesn't have much bloat to it at all.

test

well i guess theres no reason to remove it if i know the directory and how to get to it

octavarium, for spaces you can use the escape \ like Program\ Files OR use quotes like "Program Files"

no, you see, it's like this. I WILL NOT help someone who's so pathetic that he can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds looking something up in google. I am not your personal google-bot. so, back off.

ok,, i c

Are you using the stable branch?

I tried Google. It didn't help much, so I came here.

Mmh, anyone happens to have any idea why mplayer is painfully slow with webcam capturing and stickcam (and similar) don't scale the picture, but show like just the middle of it?

octavarium, the escape slash \ allows you to use the difficult characters like space, (, ), ", !

I just put ~x86 as my accepted keywords if that's what you mean

so in my script wine will recognise the directory Program Files, and i dont need to use the \ right?

Please paste your make.conf and put a link here

If you don't know how to disable DRI without getting a "DRI module not loaded" error, just say so. Don't tell me to do something you don't know how to do.

typos lol

http://rafb.net/p/4bTv0z40.html

does genkernel generate a rclinux file? I'm trying to setup grub on a nvraid and the wiki host says something about using init=/rclinux

what graphics card and driver?

I'm running it in a VM, so I'm using the vesa driver

And the above output is with ~x86 ?

Yup

Frungi is running vesa on a vm. he's getting an error from AIGLX that dri is not loaded. dri is not loaded because there is no dri for vesa.

octavarium, if its a bash script, yes

qlist -Iv kde-base and post a link here

No, DRI is not loaded because I commented out Load "dri"

qlist is part of portage-utils
ah, ok
he can use mesa, right?

mesa?

he can use mesa, but he can't use aiglx

mesa is the software rendering
ok

Oh

http://rafb.net/p/FPTjGs53.html

Did you change from x86 to ~x86 recently ?

Just a few hours ago actually

ok

Is there a chance that the VM uses my graphics card, even though lspci can't identify it?

emerge -uDav world for starters
Or use revdep-rebuild -X -p
Are you using vmware?

No, I'm using Parallels

Oh woah, a lot of broken things

I think it's pretty much the same thing

apple, right?
When you changed x86 to ~x86, you didn't update your packages - that's why emerge -uDav world will want to install a few packages

Right

revdep-rebuild -X shouldn't complain now as it will try to rebuild the most recent version of the broken packages

whats a good app for riping dvd's?

I won't paste it, but revdep-rebuild sees MANY broken things.

By the way, do you really want to use ~x86 ?

Frungi, are you trying drm or 3d in a virtualized box ?

I was just playing arounf, but no. So how can I fix this and stay with a stable branch?

What's drm?

First, did you emerge any package after changing x86 to
~x86 ?

direct rendering m… ?

I just installed xorg, and I get the DRI error every time I run startx and exit it

Yeah, maybe 30

hmm, then it might be hard to get back to x86

That's not good lol

Frungi, i dont think dri or what ever will work in a virtualized box

i want to burn an installation CD using stock mac or windoze burners. don't know how to set "raw" mode on these. do i have to do anything special?

qlop -l | tail -n 50 and paste a link

i mean burner software

http://rafb.net/p/sphTvR52.html

How can I stop DRI from loading without getting an error message that it isn't loaded?

Do you have nero?

Frungi, i was asking a redhat tech guy about it for xen (similar to parallels i think) and he said only slow 2d will work on a virtualized client. the graphics card drivers are not that good (closed source) or dont support it.

Is AIGLX the problem?

not that i know of … what os is that?
for …

It may hgave been more than 30, noit sure to be honest

Frungi, remove it from xorg.conf i think. but i am not the person to ask. all i can tell you is what i heard. which may or may not be correct

By the looks of it, you emerged more than 30 packages

i'm getting this error trying to install gentoo:

I commented out DRI from xorg.conf, and X gives me a "DRI module not loaded" error

no such file xterm-222.tgz

Yeah

sorry, did I miss another "How do I run every single package in portage as testing, just so I can unmask a single package" ?

qlop -l and try to find out how many packages you installed

*package" question

looks like only xterm-223 is at the ftp site invisible-island.net
how can i fix?

find it elsewhere

Are you using the gli?

i'm just trying to install usin the live cd

or use a better term emulator…

I did `qlop -l | tail -n 100 | grep 'Sat Jun 30' | wc -l` and get 62

ewww, you checked off X or some DE, didn't you?

is there a way to install gentoo w/o using a cd. i did it that way a couple of years ago but it appears that's not available anymore?

DE?

what'd you use?

course, i did it from a linux machine

desktop environment

kde
yeah

? alt install

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3336703-highlight-.html?sid=08aa0ae844daa5b44ecb7dc8d553d743

You can simply use that terminal

sigh…

like a stage one or two tarball and lynx

solar–
? altinstall

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
a href="http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml"http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml/a

yes, there is

jeeves has failed you for the last time?

in my dreams
he used to be much worse

jeeves, i know, but that was kind of confusing …. sorry

and we didn't used to have mzbot (like now :p)
hwern!

so how can i get this working

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml

k

you don't need xterm for KDE
you probably won't even want it

ok but supposing i did how would i fix it

62 packages in all, but if I take off ~x86, shouldn't it downgrade all my packages?

does the installer have an option to skip the package?

You probably need to update the portage tree
No

oh are you done installing the base system?

And the problem with reverting from ~arch to arch is that sometimes it's just plain not possible

unpossible :p

And i was like shit, i forgot to add the purdue to the stake

Ouch, haha

is there a utility that i can use to fix bad encodings? I have some chinese file names that have been turned into gibberish, is there someway to force interpretation in a specified encoding and convert it to UTF-8?

whats the command to add a /etc/init.d service to startup

rc-update

recode ?

thanks, i'll check that out

So what do you think is my best bet?

Do you want to run arch or are you willing to run ~arch?

Well seeing as things will probably break/not compile host if I run ~arch. I'd like stable

DRI module not loaded" error, do I need to switch to mesa? And how do I do that?

Then you should revert your make.conf and try to rebuild the packages you've updated earlier to the stable version - but you must realize that might not work

I took out the accepted keywords and pretended to emerge world and get `14 upgrades, 48 downgrades, 3 new, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall`

dri is used for 3d acceleration. It can use drm or one of the closed-source drivers for hardware acceleration or mesa for software acceleration

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Gentoo_with_NVRAID_using_dmraid . When I try to boot it says "can not create directory '/newroot': No space left on device". Can someone please help?

Try to run that, but there's no promises

Alright, thank you!

With DRI, I get a "Screen not DRI capable" error. Without it, I get an AIGLX error because it's not loaded.
X seems to work either way, so can I just ignore the error?

Do you have a dri section on your xorg.conf ?
and a load dri statement?

No dri section, yes load dri
Should I have a section?

What happens if you comment out the load dri in the modules section? The above?

Yep

Do you have /dev/dri/* ?

No

Then comment out load dri

can anyone tell me why I might be getting an error telling me that there is no space yet avalible on my ramdrive?

i told you before. he's got that commented out, but he's trying to start aiglx, which won't start because there's no dri. aiglx must be disabled.

(EE) AIGLX: DRI module not loaded
VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range, and some hex numbers

qlist -IUv xorg-server - does it have the dri useflag?

Vesa? You can't have DRI or AIGLX with Vesa.

qlist command not found

If so, remove the dri use flag from your make.conf or add "x11-base/xorg-server -dri" to your /etc/portage/package.use
qlist is part of portage-utils. run emerge -pv xorg-server

Should I emerge portage-utils?

yes

I would advice you to

Changing your driver from VESA to something else is an idea.. but I haven't been following discussion, perhaps you have one of those graphics cards from early 90s?

and I would advise you to

He's using parallels

512kb s3 or so
oh, ok.

which package provides "tc"?

thanks for the correction

your well come
what's it do?
:p

that's iproute2

You're welcome*

that's iproute2

tc is for setting QoS

thane kss

thanks

anybody know how to burn an installation cd with mac or windoze burning software? i don't know how to select "raw mode" on these.

I can't use AIGLX at all in a VM?

The most peculiar thing happened, it was like the shit rock and roll at the same time

they don't seem to have those switches

ttotally, on mac, put a blank cd in, open disk utility, and select the iso, the burn

Are you coming from http://www.lartc.org/ ?

cool … thnx

ttotally, s/the/then/

Crazy gay people

mattmatteh, i gotta ask … what is s/the/then ?

That's a sed construct

ttotally, spelling/from/to/ the last the should have been then
ttotally, then burn, not the burn

ah .. lol … thnx

It means replacing (s) the first word between // with the second word between //

vi ?

jmbsvicetto, i thought it was vi. funny, i use that syntax, but not the app

It's used in many places now, but it started with sed, iirc

jmbsvicetto, good to know, i have been using it alot lately

it's sed syntax, vi uses sed syntax

ahh

the only *nix languages i know… sed and awk. someday maybe i'll get around to perl.

i know little sed, awk, and perl. would like to use them more often since they are rather powerful
and bash too

What does the X use flag do to gtk+?

where do you look to see why a particular package has been masked?

ok, xserver crashed, and now i have no sound, says the device is still busy :/, i think its because it crashed while wine was running. how do i get my sound working again?

/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask

thx

jmbsvicetto, the script my friend gave me is from there

try killing wine incase it's still running, else restarting alsa should help.

A package can be masked for a few different reasons

gtk+ doesn't USE=X

hard-masked packages are listed on /usr/portage/packages/package.mask. A package can also have empty keywords or can be marked as testing ~arch

5+

Yeah it does: [ebuild N ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.13 USE="jpeg tiff -X -debug -doc -xinerama" 14,809 kB

thx. This guy (medusa) is not in package.mask it seems to be only ~amd64. doesn't build tho

restart alsa did work

How can I make screen number my windows form 1 instead of 0?
Great.

I have a trivial question about emerge. One of the (many) lines that fly by is, "checking whether build environment is sane…", what does that mean?

=D

is there anything else that is similar to webmin

Were you looking at the gtk+ ebuild's IUSE?

no, it doesn't actually use it. IUSE="debug doc jpeg tiff xinerama"

28/66 done, so far so good

it likely inherits it from something else

Okay, so it has no effect?

Yes, it does inherit from virtualx.eclass

if you turn it off, and it decides it needs to build cairo, and cairo builds with -X, then you'll have problems. (:

Okay.
How do I find out where a use flag is being set?

Any recomendations for rss clients for KDE?

akregator

That's what I'm using now, looks like the project is dead though

why do you think that?

man emerge is a good place to get all the info. /etc/make.conf, /etc/portage/package.keywords, and one more (i forget) with all the defaults

I added a new PCI SATA controller to my server, along with 3 more HDDs, which changed the /dev order. At first my non-boot LVM gave "missing UUID" errors, but I fixed that with pvcreate –uuid "the missing uuid" –restorefile /etc/lvm/archive/volumegroup_xxxx.vg /dev/sdd1, and then
vgcfgbackup && vgcfgrestore, which allowed me to activate the volume group and logical volume. But now the partition on my LVM has disappeared — even a dee

what pynic said. The default use flags are set on the profiles - /usr/portage/profiles/*

wiki looks to be hacked, no release since August 2nd, doesn't seem to have a lot going on

what project?

akregator

Okay. I'm trying to figure out why -X is set for everything.

exit

ut2004 apparently becomes dependent on libstdc++.so.5 after installing a patch. Can I safely symlink that to the existing libstdc++.so.6? If not, what package would have version 5?

check your make.conf and look at ls -l /etc/make.profile

No, 5 and 6 are not compatible with each other.

libstdc++v3

Ok.. That package requires gcc v3

yeah, libstdc++-v3
missed a - there *g* :P

I'm running a gcc 4 system. I have to install an entire gcc slotted package just to run ut, a game that worked perfecly fine pre-patching?

:P
libstdc++-v3 is not a the whole of gcc

It's not in my make.conf and my profile is default-linux/amd64/2007.0

Wait, my mistake, I was thinking of libstdc++ (without the -v3)

emerge –info ?

That's the one I tried and it wanted all of gcc v3.
Ok, I'll try the other one then, thank you.

yeah, the virtual/libstdc++ is broken somehow.. it should be pulling libstdc++-v3 primarily but instead it pulls gcc-3.3.

it isn't a bug, it is a feature of portage

Yeah, I assumed that the virtual would just give me identical results and look prettier on the world list

feature to get deps wrong? not sure I like that feature.

"It's not a bug, it's a feature"

portage will currently prefer to bring in another version of a package already installed than a new package when resolving virtuals

Just a moment.

well, anyway, I'm off to try this. Thanks.

look on bugzilla for package.prefer or something, that would need to be implemented iirc

"great"
yea..

http://rafb.net/p/WGGpy355.html

and it wouldn't really matter if gcc3 was brought in, besides the fact it dies on march={athlon64,pentium-m} etc.
uand it wouldn't really matter if gcc3 was brought in, besides the fact it dies on march={athlon64,pentium-m} etc./u

Yes, you're using the 2007.0 profile. If this is a workstation, you should instead use 2007.0/desktop

what's the custom-cflags USE flag for then?

no clue, look in the ebuild and tell me

can you explain the difference?

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183766

between 2007.0 and 2007.0/desktop ?

already a but on the issue

Okay, sure…

yeah. Like how do you choose?

eselect profile list, then eselect profile set number

actually that was in relation to your thinking out loud, I have not seen the ebuild

just look at /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2007.0/make.defaults and /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2007.0/desktop/make.defaults

my mplayer cant find the second audio stream in dual audio .ogm files, can anyone help me fix that?
i emerged with ogg and vorbis

Notice the difference in the use flags. The desktop profiles have quite a few more use flags enabled by default

aha.

In this particular case, the X use flag is enabled on the desktop profile, but not on the generic profile

I am using the same profile but didn't have his problem. How do you decide between desktop/server? I have a pretty beefy machine. Do I want server?

Is there a way to quickly tell what effects a particular use flag will have on a package

hehe, actually server is generally used for slimmer systems

desktop it is

The issue is not the hardware. Generally, when building a server, one doesn't want to have so much cruft around - so there's less default options set

ok. Thx

ahoy

euse -i USEflag

Anyone know anything about sniffing out msn packets for chatter? :P

Neozonz, use wireshark

what's the performance loss on a sollution like the one mentined here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=82429&sid=078cfceda4f6957962e91bed8001483f

I take it you have to be blessed in some way to talk on gentoo-dev?

;kjfddsaakfldjsd/j freebsd

ratmandu, can it be hosted on any computers or a gateway computer only

You need to be granted voice

In make.conf, does -j (with no number) have any negative consequences?

yes.

Namely?

55/66

no limit on the number of opened threads from the Makefile

I know what it does, but why would that be a bad thing, if you're not doing anything else at the time?

Does anyone use LVM?

what not create another filesystem within the filesystem

okay, so is standard install okay?

I've been trying for 7 days to get my pcmcia or usb network card to show up in ifconfig -a (iwconfig) and I can't get a damn thing!

Don't ask to ask, just ask.

Don't threads have overhead? Why pay all the overhead if you don't have too? slows things down

I had to completely redo my system with my xp pro vlk, because it erased my partitions, but I wasn't worried, was redoing things before, and erased the partition I had debian, on, I only created a 20 GB blank partition for gentoo, and saving the rest for Mandriva Corporate Desktop
4

I've been trying to find someone actually knowledgable with LVM for about 3 hours now…

Even slower than doing one at a time?

that's exactly what it's doing

What's happened since last night, anything?

fiveflat, , I hear you fustration on things, I have to study gentoo's system, in order to learn it, because I am so used to debian, etc

Asking a specific question may help.

get some sleep.

as in a filesystem within a single file

I added a new PCI SATA controller to my server, along with 3 more HDDs, which changed the /dev order. At first my non-boot LVM gave "missing UUID" errors, but I fixed that with pvcreate –uuid "the missing uuid" –restorefile /etc/lvm/archive/volumegroup_xxxx.vg /dev/sdd1, and then
vgcfgbackup && vgcfgrestore, which allowed me to activate the volume group and logical volume. But now the partition on my LVM has disappeared –

I haven't made any progress. Like I said I can see my card when I "lspci" or "lsusb"

okay, I deleted the 20 GB partition, and now I"m going to specify a good layout, anyone interested in helping me etc.. I chose standard install :-)

Frungi, that's why set it to 1 + # of cpu's. experiment if you feel the need. set it to 10 or higher to feel it

Is the driver being loaded?

I guess I could choose a /boot /root /home /swap

what controller do you have anyway? or what lsci shows?

firendly12345 yea, do you think there's a performance loss?

I don't use LVM, unfortunately, but someone may be able to help with that.

um. you're using the installer? stop now. we can't help you when the installer blows up. use the handbook.

That's what I don't understand. I emerged madwifi and I see ath_pci in my lsmod, etc. But dmesg shows some trouble and I'm not sure where to go from here. Let me rafb.net it…

lol

Sure.

yep I'm using the installer :-)

Like I said, stop now.

I asked the same question about an hour and a half ago with no response, so I was trying a simplier question…like you said, you don't use LVM. It seems not a lot of people do, despite it being touted by md.

I could use the text installer, because I"m used to doing netinstall s with debian
nah, then why do they have it :-)

probably, but I can't think of a better solution
..other than not using ext for large files at all and moving to something like xfs

going to take a look at that Gentoo fedora linux Handbook

because some damn fool decided it was a good idea. it's not. it blows up and eats your hard drive in the process.

http://rafb.net/p/ylGKxh47.html

lol :P

anyone know how to fix compiz fusion that has no windows borders no title bar

Thanks.

I can do that with firmware, ubcd, and Acronis Disk Director Suite
and heck, not to even mention East-Tec Disk Sanitizer..
I know how to manage the hard drives, and operating systems.. Skunky

anyoneee?

Its an Atheros 5005G (Belkin pcmcia card) I've also tried my Netgear WG111 usb network card.

reload the window decorator

i did no luck

you've not got automatic module loading enabled in your kernel, and it wants a module to be loaded

Personally, I've never used the gli or have any interest in it, but please don't ditch like that

well since you say that, I best.. install my Mandriva Corporate Desktop 4, because I need to be beta testing for Mandriva team

That's what I don't understand. I'm sure that I've got that. But how do I make sure of it?

The gli team has been working a lot on it

have you tried to modprobe the module it's asking for?

yes

yes, and all reports are that the latest incarnation is WORSE than the 1 before.

ugh anyone know anything

Please join #gentoo-xeffects

k

Are you sure it's not a firmware issue?

No. But madwifiexplicitly shows the atheros 5005G. But is madwifi-ng and madwifi-ng-tools all I should emerge? Do I have to load drivers separately as well?

Anyone know how to setup a parallel port in /etc/inittab? I can't seem to find an actual example anywhere online.

I recompiled xorg-server without using dri and got rid of that error message, but X is still giving me a warning from the graphics driver
"Failed to set up write-combining range" and some hex numbers
Any ideas?

what does modprobe ath_rate_sample say?

It'll load. But ifconfig -a doesn't get any better. Also - when I do that, should 'dmesg' update? Because it says the same thing

You don't get the nic on ifconfig -a ?

No

Anyone?

Then you're either missing the driver or the kernel doesn't know how to use that driver with the nic

I do have an internal NIC card and it is active. That shouldn't matter though, should it?
doesn't madwifi include the driver?

Can you pastebin output of modprobe, lspci and lsusb?

yes, hang on

I don't know if madwifi includes the support for that specific model
Did you built the internal nic driver as a module or built-in the kernel?

jmbsvicetto: http://rafb.net/p/oPHSTh25.html

Thanks.

the internal is built in

Is there any tool I can use to do in-depth analysis of a volume? I'm trying to figure out what happened to this ext3 partition on my logical volume.

You can try making it as a module and check if it makes any difference
You should check the output of dmesg after loading the module

It worked without a hitch!

No one knows what to do with a warning about write-combining range?

a warning shouldn't prevent X from working

That in particular is what's weird. Should dmesg update after I load a module? because: Unable to load needed module: ath_rate_sample; no support for automatic module loading3Error loading module "ath_rate_sample" is still there…

No, X seems to be working fine, but warnings still aren't good

change the kernel config and add support for automatic module loading

So I should just ignore the warning?

I get quite a few warnings on X startup

Where do I do that?

Don't you get a message saying that it will use a specific sub-range afterwards?

automatic kernel module loading

You'll have to recompile the kernel, make && make modules_install, copy the new kernel to /boot, update your boot loader config and restart the system

Thanks again.

when you say update my boot loader config - do you mena copy .config to /boot/config?

jmbsvicetto, no, the warning is the last message

yw
no, you should also do that, but I mean editing grub.conf - if you want/need to
Is X working or did it stop/crash?

okay, I can try that real quick. I thought I had auto module loading installed, but I didn't! it's making right now.

I haven't done much in X yet besides type in the windows and resize the clock, but it seems to work fine

Then let it be and move forward ;-)

Will do

i just found something strange. when i run # pinky i get a few tty logins from the user that is not logged anymore. how can i 'kill ' them ?

Try running this: wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta

what happens when you dont comment out DRI

I've tried that yesterday (or the day before). I get a message that ath0 doesn't exist

Since I recompiled xorg-server without dri, I get an error that the module wasn't found
X still works though

Hmm. I'll keep searching. Excuse my slow internet. You are using madwifi-ng, right?

weird

"module does not exist"

yes, that's what I'm using. I'm primarily trying to the the pcmcia card up and running. But I'll take either one at this point. Thanks for the help!

it is using that xorg.conf right?

Elfeater, I apparently can't use DRI, at all, ever, because I'm running Linux in a VM

Oh? Not the usb card?

So I took dri out of make.conf and recompiled xorg-server, and I'm not getting either error message now that I was before
Thanks to all involved parties, btw

Like I said I'd take either one at this point. I thought the madwifi was primarily for the pcmcia (Atheros) card though…

ah, well i have no experience with VM linux install (or very little, some redhat some years back)

is there a tool that shows what applications are accessing a certain harddisk, eg the filesystem equivalent to mysqladmin showprocesses

lsof

Okay, sure. What laptop do you have and what's your madwifi-ng version?

Wow - so I've updated my kernel and included auto module install support. I still get: Unable to load needed module: ath_rate_sample; no support for automatic module loading3Error loading module "ath_rate_sample"

That means that you're not using the latest kernel
uname -a

Dell Latitude D505 madwifi-ng version: 0.9.3.1
# uname -a
1 PDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1400MHz GenuineIntel

hi guys, I wanna converta flac file to mp3 or wav, how can I do it?

grep KMOD /usr/src/linux/.config ?

flac + lame

CONFIG_KMOD=y
# CONFIG_X86_P4_CLOCKMOD is not set

farrioth what is lame?

&& lame -b 96 -h audiodump.pcm

lame is not an mp3 encoder ;-)

i think

hmm, you have it enabled. Don't know what could be causing that error message

96?!?

mp3 encoder

space matters ;-)

So does quality, and 96 makes my ears bleed

-b 320 is my setting ;-)

heh, FLAC or wavpack for me

hey, careful now ;-)

fine, 224

does FLAC create smaller files than 320kbps mp3s?

128 is fine

haha.. no.

larger

FLAC is lossless.

hmm, fiveflat sorry. friendly12345 that was for you

Lossless can do maybe half the size of raw, from what I've seen

128 is an absolute bare minimum. 192 is good.

Exactly, Monkeh

i record off vinyls so 96 is fine

I couldn't find anything on a quick bugzilla look…has anyone else noticed the latest nvidia driver (100.14.09) making vlc crash on video?

for CDs i use 112

No!

or I use aac :p

112? For CD? Dear lord..

I like vinyl-like sounds

96 kbps off of vinyl is one of the worst things imaginable…

I use wavpack. If you can't tell the difference, you need new speakers/headphones/ears :P

actually i'm aurally hypersensitive

I know it's supposed to, but does AAC really sound any better than MP3 at the same bitrate?

yeah

yeah, it does

could someone help me write a udev rule to make may lan card eth0 'static'?

How much better?

Guys, can we move the enconder format / quality discussion to #gentoo-chat?

Moving

hi

Do you have 2 or more nics and they're getting swapped?

Hello.

not usually…
i must register my nik )

sorry, I wasn't clear
I meant do you have 2 nic (network interface cards) and want them to be fixed to ethX ?

i own a firewire, a wired lan adapter and a wifi adapter…

anyone know why conky would show that MPD isn't responding, but it's working just fine?

100.14.09 was crappy … try 100.14.11

TopoMorto if you have firewire, it probably put your firewire device as eth0, eth1 is probably your wired

but the lan adater (eth8 now…) change ethX on evey reboot…

pi-rho, is that in the main tree?

TopoMorto, it doesn't stay as one device?

it was announced in the nzone forums

Possibly conky doesn't have permissions? That's my only thought, though.

I just 'cp nvidia-drivers-100.14.06.ebuild nvidia-drivers-100.14.11.ebuild && ebuild nvidia-drivers-100.14.11.ebuild digest'

look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

no it dosent stay as a device… so is difficult to mek it runon boot
i'm doing this now…

If you have a recent udev version, you should be able to easily set the ethX devices

.09 kept locking my machine up when I killed Xorg

Giving it a go

mpd is running as a different user…i suppose that could be it?

i will pastebin /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules that is overvritten on every reboot…

what udev version?

Possibly.

how i can retrive the udev vesion?

qlist -Iv udev | emerge -pv udev | eix udev

i've got X working now with the i810 driver, now i'd like to get dri and glx working.. can anyone point me in the right direction?

buy an nvidia card
that's my suggestion

Tnx ) udev 104-r12

stable system? arch instead of ~arch ?

Yeah the new version of the driver does nothing.

stable system x86 architecture

Anyway, I think udev-104 should be ok

I get [00000535] main private error: option glx-shm does not exist thrown on the command line and then that typical 5 line X Error dump

hmmm … sorry man … I've got vlc running on .11 on mine … have you rebuilt vlc?

its a laptop, my friends

I rebuilt it on .09, not .11 yet

then emerge drm

please be constructive

i would have an nvidia but its a nice laptop

no, don't emerge drm

that was constructive.
the drm ebuild has the drivers, but they might be already built

this is, as promised my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

what card?

http://pastebin.ca/598294

did you eselect opengl set nvidia?

then all you would need to do is modprobe i810

One thing that's always annoyed me about linux is how logging out from (currently kde, but seems to be the same for all window managers), it does'nt gracefully quit applications, and just kills them. So If I have openoffice open with a unsaved document on another virtual desktop and don't see
it, go logout, no do you want to save before quitting window at all - the window manager just kills openoffice, losing my document. The same thing happens for firefox

, if I have it open when I quit my session, when it starts next session it always says it was unexpectedly quit last time.

What X terminal is recommended for Japanese characters?

btw, if you don't know the question, don't but in… it's rude, and wrong

its a intel 945gm express

s/but/butt

x11-drm is poorly supported

It seems a crazy problem to never have fixed and seems to be the same in all distro's

pi-rho, yeah, I did

5 nics???

atleast it's open source

ok, what do i do?

is very very very strange, if you look tre of them are the same one…

vlc's gonna be another 5-6 minutes to build…I'll see how that goes

or somebody?

don't know what you're talking about, but there are other open source methods apart from the x11-drm package

you need the x11-drm package, aka drm, however it might already be built.

is very very very strange, if you look three of them are the same one…

you can try modprobe i810
then check dmesg to see if it loaded "drm"

You can and should use the kernel drm drivers

wow everyone's got an opinion tonight.

what jmbsvicetto said

did you know that x11-drm is the same as the kernel 90% of the time?
fucking idiots

Geeze, I hate rebooting…my alsamixer settings are never persistent

seems it's time for me to go have ideas to bed ;-)
/etc/conf.d/alsasound

anyhow, the kernel options you are after are:

seems that my lan adapter change is MAC on every reboot, so udev add it to the rules

well, i'm adding sound in kernel now, so its cool, where do i add it in the kernel?

jmbsvicetto, Am I alooking at RESTORE_ON_START or SAVE_ON_STOP, because they both say yes

hmm, do you get them back by running alsactl restore?
If you do, I have the exact same issue on one box out of many - I can't explain it

Intel 830M and i830 as module

friendly12345? jmbsvicetto?
cool, thanks

what sound card?
hmm, what friendly12345 said?

jmbsvicetto, well they always return to the same weird borked state of some output type being muted, analog front (master volume) being down to 14 (I keep it around 41-43 usually) and Analog Rear (NOTHING) being at 11. I just have to run alsamixer whenever I boot to fix those 3 things.

dri in your use flags, i810 for your VIDEO_CARDS entry in make.conf

It's been plaguing me for MONTHS now, no one has any idea what the heck my system's doing, since it doesn't throw any errors or warnings with either the shutdown initscript or the startup one.

Try running alsactl restore the next time. If that works, you're having the same issue I have

I'll keep that in mind
Do you have a solution for it, or just the same problem?

emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810 as well and make sure your have the Section "DRI" within your xorg.conf –see the gentoo wiki

And VLC still doesn't work after a recompile

there is a way to make my MAC Fixed, i never see a lan adapter that change his mac randomly ((

no solution, I can't understand what causes that

jmbsvicetto, what card/driver ?

i'm already running with that driver

e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev

ok, kernel all done, and got sound added too. i'm in a screen session on a server, let me detach, reboot this laptop with the new kernel, brb

jmbsvicetto, that's weird…I have an Intel card on the mobo but it's disabled at the bios level, I'm running an Audigy LS.

that's sound in kernel, correct (the alsa-driver is being deprecated)

is there a gentoo general chat?

?

can someone tell me which package net-setup is apart of?

sappling, #gentoo-chat methinks

Comments

When you are counting key classes identified in analysis to estimate a financial systems projects schedule and

Time or something

readme, yes I read a bit about that, but it seems to be a proprietary class in some way

int main() { int *i = malloc(9999999999999ll); }

use of C99 long long integer constant

int main() { while (1) { int *i = malloc(9999999999); } }

integer constant is too large for 'long' type

it's boost…
int main() { while (1) { int *i = malloc(0xFFFF); } }

invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'int*'

the boost license is pretty lax

readme, thanks, should it be included as standard with GNU
G++

no
most linux based hosting services systems have it but it's a seperate package

readme, ok well its good that it should be easy to get for linux
readme, what would be the best thing if I want the vanilla linux with g++
readme, something that should compile out of the box…

boost is header-only, i think you can just copy the part you want
otherwise write something yourself

readme, some of boost isn't. you have to check for the part you want to use

still, i'm not sure if boost even has the thing you want
(boost has about everything, so it's quite propable
)

readme, lol I'm looking to convert unix hosting time in UTC seconds since 1/1/1970
to months days years
readme, the thing is… Unix time standard should have some nifty libraries included by default with any posix oprating system
readme, Im just surprised there isnt a class onboard my linux machine that does this

int main() { int *i = new int(5); cout i; delete i; cout i; return 0; }

0×80510080x8051008

that's undefined behaviour
hmm no
it's not
it would have been if you didnt set a value to i
but you did set
it doesnt mantter if where it points to is invalid
you read i not *i
so it's ok

int main() { int *i; cout I ", "; I = new int(5); cout I ", "; delete i; cout i; return 0; }

'I' was not declared in this scope

int main() { int *i; cout I ", "; I = new int(5); cout I ", "; delete i; cout i; return 0; }

'I' was not declared in this scope

int main() { int *i; cout I ", "; I = new int(5); cout I ", "; delete i; cout i; return 0; }

'I' was not declared in this scope

int main() { int *q; cout q ", "; q = new int(5); cout q ", "; delete q; cout q; return 0; }

'q' is used uninitialized in this function

stupid irc client

int main() { while (1) { int *i = (int*)malloc(0xFFFF); } }

Timeout

int main() { while (1) { int *i = (int*)malloc(0xFFFF); if (i == NULL) { cout "Caught!"; break; } } }

!geordi

Caught!

that's still undefined, at least according to the crazies that inhabit c.l.c++, and the snippet they posted frmo the standard here http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++/msg/56ca3af0b292c2c3?as_umsgid=3f04642e$0$87913$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com

geordi is a bot that compiles and runs C++ code. It was written by Eelis and is hosted by Bigcheese. TEST SNIPPETS IN #geordi NOT IN ##iso-c++ OR ##C++! See http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/geordi/
http://tinyurl.com/2tpoas (at groups.google.com)

not here please.

access is O(1) right?

oh it is…

yes

using std

Comments

Could someone please tell me if there exists a program that will simulate the shell within the windows environment

csc`: it's explained in detail in man emerge

but i'd like to be able to use the machine while it tests those drives

csc`, change your profile (to one you like the make.default use flags), and change the use flags in make.conf, then run emerge -aDNv world, and go take a walk

thats what emerge –newuse world is for it checks for new/changed use flags

nolimitsoya, yea, i know, but many people doesnt
nolimitsoya, and alsa updates are not frequent
nolimitsoya, nor kernel updates

cool, thank you

nolimitsoya, so it doesnt change much
anyone having trouble using gcc 4.2.0?

Skankerpotimous, i do

nolimitsoya, heh, what happens? cause it might happen to me :/

but thats mostly bec. its not installed :P

nolimitsoya, oh.
nolimitsoya, you know, emerge -e world is a pain

Skankerpotimous, na, it isnt. more like constant torture :P

nolimitsoya, i wish i had money, to buy a good CPU

Skankerpotimous, they are cheap nowadays
Skankerpotimous, take a peek at the 4600+ fex

nolimitsoya, im still poor, and brazil got the highest taxes you ever seem :P

ebay.com

Now THAT's legit

is there some way to get my mouse recognized… there isnt even a /dev/mouse listed

Skankerpotimous, above 70%, as where i live? :P

laptop?

Leratek, if i get my mom to use her credit card over the internet, japan will explode

japan has a tendancy of doing that..

yea, i did that twice in the 40:ies

edwindoebler, yeah

:x

topic folks

nolimitsoya, i think its 75% over here, or 80 and something %, i know i paid almost 1000U$ on my wii, while in US its only 250U$ .

edwindoebler, its actually Wiseguy again, im just on my lappy on bx and didnt wanna connect to my psybnc

danm, emerge world re-emerges gcc

it's funny I have some friends who go nuts over anime and Japan… but I personally have no interest in those subjects

im going to skip it .

and I don't see what's so 'hot' about them

hmm, switching from nvidia drivers to nv ruined my console resolution, but kde runs at 60hz instead of 50 now
bhmm, switching from nvidia drivers to nv ruined my console resolution, but kde runs at 60hz instead of 50 now/b

/dev/psaux?

barque2, hentai ;P

Note that circular dependencies can often be avoided by temporarily disabling USE flags that trigger optional dependencies.

hahahaa

topic, last warning.

blackace, sorry

ok ok topic!

YAY

anyone know if enabling nvidia framebuffer support ruins vesa-tng settings?

edwindoebler, yah

because it seems to have for me….

luke-jr_work, w00t, what happened?

I found the 1 in 5040 correct combination for my RAID array

do i use gpm and /dev/psaux as my device?

Leratek, nvfb ruins the nvidia driver, so dont use it anyhow

I'm trying one last time, then I quit and am going to SuSe. We use Novell at work anyway.

it doesn't if you compile nvidiafb as a module. but i'm not 100% sure if even that's a good idea. :P

RJ_Mouse, what is NOT working?

use vesa and the closed source nvidia driver for best results with nvidia

ah cool, that worked

Note that circular dependencies can often be avoided by temporarily disabling USE flags that trigger optional dependencies.

sweet. that's what mine's detected as

closed source nvidia driver?

whats the php code to spit out sys info?

RJ_Mouse, those circular deps are because of your use flags, use USE="-*" emerge stuff and then emerge more stuff so they dont get crazy and circular

i sent you my grub conf line so you can see what i did for framebuffer

RJ_Mouse, basically, dont use such crazy USE flags, unless you know what youre REALLY doing

oh awesome, ill go check it out

know how to change my console res with the nv drivers?

you don't. just use vesafb.

edwindoebler, can you send it to Wiseguy

vesafb instead of vesafb-tng?

anyone with kde mind sharing their use flags?

already did, in a pm

hmmm… didnt come up

but will again :-p

Leratek, tng is to be preferred

I'm using the live cd and selecting from a list. This next time I'm going for a basic install.

csc`: sure..just a sec

pm them if possible

-tng is far superior, but i just use whichever happens to work on today's kernel. :P

yeah that's what i'm using.. but since i enabled nvidia framebuffer and riva support in the kernel, my vesafb-tng settings stoped woking

if this does NOT work, I'm calling it quits!

RJ_Mouse, hehe, im on a new install too, and that happens, since i imported my old USE flags, basically, still you get all engines (gtk, qt, X and stuff) up
RJ_Mouse, you can re-set the USE flags

riva?

Leratek, as i said, never enable rive or nvidia fb…
grey_wolf, ancient nvidia gpu
*riva

i know what a riva is. i'm just shocked anyone would use it

RJ_Mouse, untill then, comment out a few or use USE="-*" emerge something to emerge something you do need to emerge NOW (note it might need to be recompiled on an update)

not during an intall, you have to start the process over, again! that's frustrating!!!

i was using the offical nvidia drivers, but i had 2 problems that annoied the crap out of me: 1) tty didn't work, and when exiting X i had to reboot to get my screen back, 2) X wouldn't go any higher than 50hz

nvidia-drivers

RJ_Mouse, psh, after 2 weeks of a running gentoo i broke my partition and im reinstalling it, NOT cool dude.

ebuild

i just uninstalled those like 5 min agao, please refer to my previous statement

Leratek, where you using the nvidia drivers, or the xorg nv drivers?

no, just reset your USE to defaults plus whichever you are absolutely certain you'll need (like for ldap or cups) and then just turn them on one at a time once you're done installing.

nvidia-drivers
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=deb251d7ed877bc3bd52f345156f27d5&t=81256&page=5

RJ_Mouse, do what grey_wolf told you

ouch!, right now my windoze is down, no games to play!

is it a bad idea to just straight up "emerge gentoo"

Leratek, then try the xorg driver. anyway, dont use nvidiafb or riva. thats dumb

errr
sorry

do not use nvidiafb with nvidia-drivers

emerge gnome

do you want 'gentoo'? ;P

hi

[blocks B ] dev-java/java-config-1.3 (is blocking dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.12-r1)

where would i find the xorg driver

yes, emerge kdebase-meta instead

could any one tell me why ?

Leratek, with the xorg packages, presumably

arrrg

you can compile it in when you compile xorg (set VIDEO_CARDS in /etc/make.conf. or somesuch)

is that just a basic kde install?

yeah

I will follow GreyWolf

RJ_Mouse, yea, do it, i never had any major problems with those, except during install

the nv driver is the one you're looking for. but remove nvidiafb and rivafb from your kernel and just use vesafb-tng

luke-jr_work, i dont have anything related to Xorg installed yet either, this will do it all right?

just removing those drivers will bring your tty back.

it will do the client-side stuff

installing those drivers is what brought my tty back

you'll want to emerge xorg-x11 as well to get the server

luke-jr_work, should i emerge xorg-x11 before i emerge kde?

oh? what card do you have?

csc`: http://pastebin.ca/630430

order shouldn't matter

Leratek, its still wrong. listen to good advice and kill them of

emerge xorg-x11 kdebase-meta — sane idea

Hey all, is the latest version of the nvidia-drivers not compatible with gentoo-sources 2.6.18-r6?

ok ok i'm recompiling my kernel without any nvidia options

next time get an ATi card

GOD, why wouldnt they be?

luke-jr_work: what, you want to make his head explode?

luke-jr_work: hah!

luke-jr_work, err, bad suggestion

hmm, doesn't seem to be working for me.

hi

agreed.

luke-jr_work: this is my old comp, i've got an x700 in this machine

mee too i agree
just get an old ati card

new ati cards imo

cool, works great huh?

one second and I'll pastebin the dmesg information I got when trying to startx.

i've been usingthe latest stable nvidia drivers since kernel 2.6.16

new anything old ATi

what about version 100.14.11?

luke-jr_work: i was disapointed with the drivers, if i was to build a new system today it'd be intel-nvidia with a p35 mobo, instead of the amd-ati system i have now

Intel-Intel is good

haven't tried it. didn't see a clear need for them.

anyway, now that my server is fixed, I need to go finish with crap

i have an x1900xt and an x1300 pro
my head exploded

I'm back, the wife called, I will folle Wolf's instructions

what do i have to emerge to get tcp_portmon?

too new

a question regarding network booting, is that through ssh or do I need to be on the computer?

GOD, im using them with the latest "unstable" kernel, and it works like a charm

RJ_Mouse, did it work?

have an older nvidia card?
the 100.14.11 drivers?

7600GS

Do-m-pie, yes

i finally got them to work tho, just had to emerge xorg-server instead

aye, that makes sense

7600gt

i'm using 100.14.11 fine
7800gt
2.6.22

the stable version of nvidia-drivers support that card
I'm using a 7950

that should work fine

not with the stable drivers…

Switching to an nvidia card is like saying "Why can't I run beryl on my Radeon 9600?"

I have to start the process over again, I'l know in a approx 1.5 hours

well, according to the documentation I looked up anyway

really? i thought it was in the registry.

SaintRyoda, come again? switching from 9700 to 7600gt was a huge leap forward

so you were saying, now that i've removed nvidia options from my kernel, that i should put an 'nvidia' use flag in my make.conf and reemerge xorg?

Do you use a compositing wm?

http://rafb.net/p/zBdoau21.html

Like beryl or compiz

nope, according to the wiki, at least, it wasn't… I had to update to an unstable version

i use beryl

Leratek, not only that but VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" in make.conf

what's the device id?

G'night all, I'll try again tomorrow!

SaintRyoda, yes

pardon the caps please, but… NO WONDER

hmm, don't know off hand — save me some trouble, quick way to find out?

that's already set

ok im confused, what exactly do USE flags do again?

BusID "PCI:1:0:0"

SaintRyoda, mind you, beryl was running fine with ati as well.

ATI hasn't updated their drivers to support AIGLX yet. So many are flocking to nVidia.

anyone here that can help me with giftd and giftoxic?

beryl runs on 9600

SaintRyoda, but games work a whole lot better with nvidia than with ati; fewer graphic glitches

lspci -v

Really? How come I can't get AIGLX to work then?

how about lshw?

SaintRyoda, have i ever said i did? i used xgl

0.0) will just show one

what's the xorg package? X11?

xorg-x11

xgl works on ATI 9 series cards?

dunno about lshw. lspci is a lot faster. ;P

SaintRyoda, yep

"?

I'll have to try that then.

ah thanks

one sec, this has to be it

re-emerging will updates the use flags and reemerges right?

?network boot
!network boot
how do I axs?

http://rafb.net/p/1DYzXr64.html

or rather, re-emerging will emerge with current useflags

SaintRyoda, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVfZ9_MQ_c

Leratek, yes

nobody answered me

sweet

Leratek, but id rather use the -N for a world emerge…

yeah i usually -Dup world

Leratek, accompanied with -u if you want to update

ok, yeah, it's not on the list.

err, DNup

oh gee not another compiz/beryl video

would nvidia-drivers provide lspci with the information, or?

wow, xorg emerged in like 10 seconds

i.e. if I have the right nvidia-drivers will lspci be updated for it?

probably. i think lspci has its own database, too. but i was looking for the "device 0295 (rev a1)" part anyway. :P

That's the kind of video card I have… but probably not as fast a system altogether.

and what does that tell you?

if i re-emerge gentoo-sources with gcc 4.2.0

well it still shows that its possible

that 1.0.9755 doesn't support your card. ;P

should i recompile my kernel? (the kernel was alreayd compiled with gcc 4.2.0)

lol
is device 0295 a code meaning unsupported?

i see the 100 series is ~amd64. i'm gonna try updating

well i did everything you said, and my tty is broken again

0295 is the device's PCI ID. 0294 and 0298 are in 9755's list, but not 0295. therefore, unsupported

ah, gotchya
:P

so you've only got vesafb-tng and/or vesafb in your kernel?

frambuffer support with vesafb-tng, yep

huh. try compiling nvidiafb as a *module*only* and *do*not* add it to your autoload list.

ok
so just make modules and not make modules && make modules_install

where are you looking for to see the nvidia-driver version's list?

that's how i've been doing it for over a year and it works for me, so….
less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-driver*/README*

oh -.-

i figure if it's all caps, it must be important. ;P

"fb_bl_default_curve [drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko] undefined!
also, i got errors 1 and 2

how do I show which installed packages depend on another package?

did you ever pastebin your dmesg output?

happened while making modules after setting nvidia fb support as a module in my kernel

yes

i missed the link

http://rafb.net/p/zBdoau21.html

linking errors?

aye, I was getting it for ya.

grey_wolf, you think i might have a memory problem based on what i pastebin'd earlier? cos i haven't had any other compile errors

anyone please? simple question

how do you do a command and have it pastebin or whatever
command

nvidiafb/rivafb and nvidia binary driver are incompatible

I thought so too..

I just copy and paste the output of whatever command to http://rafb.net/paste/ — I find it quicker than pastebin.com

i've had sporadic ICEs before, on heavy packages like DBs, compilers, and such. most programs aren't so complex.

you can however use vesafb and vesafb-tng with it

there was a way to do it though, like command | less pastebin or something
yeah i know, I'm having a problem with the nvidia driver ruining tty though

yeah, i don't remember it

he's having trouble with blank TTYs due to nvidia

apparently it's a popular problem

with no popular solution?

Kevin`: sorry, i'm slow. emerge gentoolkit; equery d packagename

nvidia binary driver doesn't do consoles..

unfortunatly, no

thanks

yeah, but there's also a problem when I log out of X …specifically the screen goes black and i have to reboot
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81256

ah, that's weird. any errors when you modprobe your nvidia module?

oh yay! peeps are awake.
i've got a stupid question about filesystems/mountpoints (aka, i can't remember)

hrm, only ever seen that with ati drivers. I tried the nvidia-drivers-100.whatever but they're no good yet, downgraded to 1.0.9something. which ones are you using?

it'd help to know the question.

whatever the latest ones are, lemme check

sometimes. It takes a few times to emerge the nvidia-drivers before modprobe works — I've checked my ram using memtest86 and it seems fine: no errors.
apparently it's a common problem.

what do you mean, "before [it] works"?

Just what I said. I have to emerge the nvidia-drivers a few times before # modprobe nvidia will work.

$NEWROOT/mnt/$OLDROOT/usr?

how do you guys pronoucne chroot?

what i mean is, does it say anything? how do you know it doesn't work?

so far it's been a series of three or four emerges
of course it says something:
Unknown symbol remap_page_range
Unknown symbol pci_find_class

hmm, how do you find out what version of the nvidia driver you're using

well, that's in dmesg

Is it ok to emerge X and configure it, emerge firefox, e (yea ill use e) and everything within the chroot? or is there a problem that might occur?

Leratek, you cant possibly be using the binary nvidia driver with nvfb since they are incompatible, so the problem lies elsewhere. you probably get bumped back to vesa/nv driver when enabling the nvfb, and that appears to "solve" the problem.

modprobe gives an explicit error message about unkonwn symbols

emerge -pv nvidia-drivers or eix nvidia-drivers if you have that

you're right, I'm not.. I'm back to using the binary driver

Leratek, as per info by the link, might you be using a horribly outdated kernel?

anyone?

2.6.21-gentoo-r4

the first time I emerge I get the first Unknown symbol, the next time I emerge I get the second, the third time it failed to compile altogether, and the fourth time it owrked
very, very strange.
My first thought was that it had to be an issue with my RAM, as I've experienced something similar before back in 2000 with redhat, but it was bad RAM.

Leratek, thats odd. have you tried the latest kernel and the "unstable" drivers?

just ask

This time my RAM seems fine.

sure, sounds ok.

100.14.09

$NEWROOT is obviously going to just be / after a reboot.

also, after the fourth time compiles and modprobes with no errors, startx fails with the information I showed you from dmesg.

i did, so I'll repeat myself in a different way: what's the best web hosting way to symlink directories across mount points?
of course

doesn't sounds ok tha tyou're stil going to use a busted disk though

haven't tried the unstable drivers yet… just whatever went in when i reemerged xorg-x11

if it totally dies then all the critical stuff i need is on the new one

vap0rtranz I like to do it with a relative path, but it's a symlink.. best?

there is not weirdness about ln -s across partitions/mount points/whatever

I checked the forums, which is how I knew to re-emerge it a few times to get different results.

wow. that i can't help with. you could give the nvidia guys a bug report log, but i dunno

Hello, I ran emerge –sync then emerge -aDNuv world and here's the build.log of emerge -aDNuv world failing: http://phpfi.com/251558

Leratek, but the binary nvidia drivers are not provided with the xorg package. please keyword and emerge the latest drivers

it could still mess up the state of your system if , say, temp data is corrupted.

i'm gonna shut down X now and try the new drivers and see if i have a similar issue.

indeed, I don't know what to do, though.
k
don't forget to rmmod!

but it's your call

that was my question; i remember the UNIX farts doing this a weird way with some babble about it's "best"

duh. i've done this dozens of times.

lol, was just teasing.

keyword?

try downgrading.. those are unstable. x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-1.0.9755-r1 works fine for me

huh? AH, the order of mount from fstab? well… that what's i was worried about

I'm getting conflicting suggestions here.. should i upgrade or downgrade

/etc/portage/package.keywords

Leratek, try both
Leratek, id try upgrading first, though…

Leratek, imo you should upgrade, and if it keeps failing , downgrade

newer drivers=better performance and fresh fixes

it works for me.
dunno what to tell you

hi folks, i'm doing an install and i chrooted into my root partition….DNS appears to have died :-(

indeed

i *did* copy resolv.conf

Anyone?

you're on a 64bit proc?

ehh alright i'll give that a shot

indeed, i am.

I was just running a routine emerge -aDNuv world when I got this: http://phpfi.com/251558

mind if I take a peek at your Cflags?

symlinks to /usr and /opt that DNE yet but it'll still mount $olddisk/usr next

really simple: CFLAGS="-march=athlon64 -O2 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -pipe"

so 100.14.11 is unstable?

it's ~arch, yes

i'm on 100.14.11 now and its fine for me

Leratek, na, its "unstable"

ah, that's alright then :P

for certain values of "unstable" ;P

specifying CFLAGS before emerge will superceed the ones in my make.conf, right? (just clarifying)

i'd be doing -Os, but i forgot to set that way back
yes, it will

so for future refrence, what exactely did that echo command do?

I'll try that in a bit

Leratek, anything thats orange and preceded by ~ is just not tested thoroughly…

what gentoo-srouces are you using?

i'm not. ck-sources-2.6.22_p1

I'd appreciate help on this very much. I was just running emerge -ADNuv world… nothing out of the ordinary, and then I got a failed emerge (build log here: http://phpfi.com/251558 )

ah

Leratek, it inserted the line in quotes to the keyword file,m which unlocks "unstable" packages

Eh? what does the -A option do

i might go back to gentoo-sources iff some major feature or bugfix shows up in 2.6.25 or later. won't be upgrading for a while.

huh. ok

seeing as -ck has been EOL'd.

try without doc use flag

End Of Lined?

okay, will do

or end-of-life'd, whichever.

that sucks

csc`, unless its a clean install and you dont have much, then go for a walk

csc`: grab a snack

csc`, much packages installed*

i wish i had some snacks

yeah, Con has completely given up on the kernel and he says he'll never hack again.

wow, any idea why?

ive got a DS handy :p

csc`,

any idea why it may have failed with the doc flag though?

Woot, DS

DS 3
i havent setup my wireless router yet so i cant do anything online

csc`: lies

it's a long story, but to sum up: Ingo Molnar wouldn't accept Con Kolivas' SD scheduler, and instead wrote the CFS scheduler, which is scheduled for inclusion in 2.6.23. Con's sick of being ignored and fillibustered, so he's calling it quits.

I wish I could run a Nintendo WiFi adapter on linux.

hello guys

lol SaintRyoda
there isnt anything on sourceforge SaintRyoda?

when I open an iso with trust brasero, it says "unknown type of disk"

SaintRyoda, wine

SaintRyoda what chipset do they use?

Does WINE support ICS?

lots of packages do lots of really strange things when the doc flag is enabled.. it's superfluous for the most part.. the doc flag turns on latex and html docs and doxygen output and stuff, but you get man and info pages regardless of whether it's on or off

Some Rockwell chipset

SaintRyoda Ugh. why would you want or need to run ics

oh, that i didn't know

however, it's a bug that should be reported so head to bugs.gentoo.org and see if it's already there

darn. i build everything with USE="doc" in /etc/make.conf

the linux firewall and routing is an order of mangnitude better then ics

whoops, forgot to change my driver settings in xorg.conf

okay, thank you very much

Leratek, why would you need to?

Kevin`: That's how the Nintendo WiFi Agent thingy works. It shares the net through the Adapter.

SaintRyoda well, if you have the actual driver for the wireless adapter you could use it with ndiswrapper

cant you re-route it through a normal wireless card?

you can enable the doc flag in your package.use file if you need developer docs for something. it'll simplify things a lot for you.

SaintRyoda is it a normal 802.11 wireless adapter though?

Kevin`, the DS wont accept anything better than that iirc

As far as I can tell, yeah.

that simplifies my life more so than /etc/make.conf having USE="doc" ?

Wimote is Bluetooth

I don't get the issue. is it connected to the DS or the computer

But it only works for the DS
The DS has built in Wifi.

indeed, there is a bug for it: bug 167704

https://bugs.gentoo.org/167704 nor, P2, x86, jsado_sc5@earthlink.net-tex@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, media-libs/libdvdcss-1.2.9 fails to compile while building documentation

when you enable it on a case-by-case basis, yeah. it doesn't break other packages and it speeds some up since they don7t need to bother.

SaintRyoda so you could use any wifi adapter with it..

Kevin`, the computer, but the DS has bult-in wifi that doesnt accept anything better than 802.11
Kevin`, maybe he doesnt have one or doesnt want to setup one

Kevin`: you could use anything that spits out a usable 802.11b connection

Pretty much. But I don't have any wifi adapter but this one.

csc` heh, I have like 3 of those

nuggets, tty still doesn't work, even with the latest nvidia drivers

Leratek, try drowngading then

SaintRyoda well, if there's no native secure linux web hosting driver for rockwell find the windows one and use it with ndiswrapper

Leratek, for the stable drivers

apparently, the bug has been around since 28-05-2007

Kevin`: i have two USB dongles… one destroyed my last motherboard. haven't touched them since.

technically you can use a computer as a router, so you can probably turn a wifi card into a wireless router with some elbow grease

son of a.. and the freakin refresh rate is back down to 50hz

grey_wolf I avoid usb for wifi, bad performance compared to the pci-based options

how do i specify which version of a ebuild to load

Well, I already use one pc as a router anyway…

SaintRyoda hopefully not with ics?

Nope. iptables

k

Kevin`: it wasn't performance i cared about when i bought them. i was mostly interested in the flexibility of being able to just plug one in. on the bright side, they did come with some USB extension cables.

lol

oh my… will this emerge -e world fiish anytime TODAY? :'(

I have an xvid avi file and an mp3 file. Is there an easy way to combine them?

finish*

oh, hell no. go to bed.

theora

grey_wolf, i am not emerging nothing from X since theyre already updated and skipped big packages from system, which are also updated with the new gcc
grey_wolf, only a few small left

hmm

avisplit or avitools or ogmsplit or ffmpeg or mplayer or half a dozen others

grey_wolf, emerging 11 of 38 =X

i can't seem to get the kernel ntfs-write support working
anyone familiar with this?

Kevin`: don't bother. use fuse and ntfs-3g

Kevin`, use ntfs3g

Kevin`: why would you want to use the built in kernel support?

csc` so it can be used without fuse
although I think I might have just forgot to install the modules

Kevin`, dont you like fuse?

ive heard the built-in modules dont work safely

Kevin`: the kernel driver is broken and barely maintained. the write support is known faulty, too

fuse is slow and needs a userspace program
I want to boot linux from a loop file

Kevin`: you're insane.

Kevin`: which is worse, slower and safer or faster and but broken :P
er

csc` the ntfs write support in the kernel is not broken, it's just limited

Kevin`, really, if you want to read, you can use in-kernel support, but if you want to write, go get ntfs3g

you can't change the size of files

csc` depends on sleep

i have had a solid 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 kernel for quite some time. is it worth upgrading to 2.6.21-gentoo-r4 ?

ntfs-3g is slow but you can create files
you don't need to create files for a loop device

Kevin`: it's broken. i've lost data due to it.

see?
grey_wolf probably 2.4 or 2.5, right?

Kevin`: no. 2.6. last i tried was 2.6.9, iirc

the current 2.6.20+ kernels with the normalized support? doubt it personally

Kevin`: it is *broken*. *badly*.

i wish i had some more beans

Kevin`: for whatever anecdotal information it's worth, i've never had an issue with ntfs-3g in terms of speed

grey_wolf what did you with it

Kevin`, ive lost some data with it too, and i used a 2.6.19-r2 back then (i' a ~arch person)

afaik it's safe, just doesn't do anything but replacing bytes in files

Skankerpotimous what did you do with it?

Kevin`: i was just trying to grab a few files from my ntfs partition. next thing i know it was half-hosed. lost 3 complete directory trees and had a badly damaged master directory.

Kevin`, changed a 0 to 1 in a .txt file, the directory was not recognized anymore in windows, i had to reinstall zsnes

Kevin`: ntfs3g is far more mature and better-tested.

Kevin`, or better yet, copy data to your linux partition and delete your ntfs partition

pfft

how do i specify which version of a ebuild to install?

=

Kevin`, theres a program in windows to read and write from ext3

If you need ntfs for windows, use fat32!

ntfs support has been in the kernel for a lot longer than ntfs3g has existed, so depending on the definition of mature I disagree

whats a good curses player?

so for example, emerge nvidia-drivers=versionnumber?

(now if you said write support for ntfs maybe)

csc`: mplayer

mplayer runs in cli?

Yeah

Leratek, emerge =nvidia-drivers-versionnumber

Leratek, emerge =nvidia-drivers-foo

what i mean is that the maintainers of the kernel driver abandoned it years ago to work on ntfs3g.

I use it like that all the time.

ah

is it ncurses or cli?

cli

=[

can anybody tell me whatt his means for xfish Linux/gentoo/xfish.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32?

I too wish to know of a fancy text-based music player

SaintRyoda mplayer?

24 packages left! almost there!

sn00p-: you're linking a 32-bit .so with a 64-bit executable or vice-versa.

possibly stupid question, but why can't -3g be merged back into the kernel btw? don't think it deps on any windows bins currently

Kevin`: I already suggested that.

what's wrong with mplayer

lucky you, ive still got 89
=[

csc`, i just opened my world file and re-emerged everything but X, that didnt needed to be re-emerged

Kevin`: It's not fancy. It's straight and to the point with total verbosity.

sn00p-: using amd64/(some 64bit arch) by any chance?

moc (mocp)

i read the reasoning a while back, but i think it had to do with the filesystem maintainer. i don't recall.

csc`, and i skipped system packages like gcc and stuff

mpd and ncmpc or mpc … really nice

TFKyle, yes. but it says it works on 64bit

i didnt

csc`, and this is a fresh install, so nothing in here, yet
csc`, sad for you, have fun with your DS
csc`, :P

acually ive got 10+ gigs of music
:p

sn00p-: that's a 32bin, using multilib?
er, *32bit bin

yes

well

csc`, ive got 5~6GB of music, :P

if i want to add a MOTD for my system…where do i place that?

I've got 500gig of music

0AM, i should be

!!

take it that my audio does work

hmm, could be kernel related

I've got 30GB of music. Big deal.

0

csc`, i live in the south

10% of it is radiohead.

what do i have to emerge to get tcp_portmon

i live in louisiana
=o
happy for me

csc`, and at least, you dont have to face dumb circular deps (danm gnome!)

i found a problem with symlinks crossing mountpoints; …

xD

sn00p-: checked the kernel config for 32bit support and made sure if it's enabled if there's an option? (not sure if there is, never had an amd64 system)

csc`, i live in south america .

xD

ouch?

csc`, thats what i get by exporting my old USE flags :/

since when does aumix need gtk+?

TFKyle ya there's an option for it, + an option for 32 bit a.out bins

csc`: since they wrote it to use gtk+ as its toolkit.

csc` optional

but isnt it ncurses?

it's both

csc`: USE="-gtk"

$olddisk:/ fails

binary not exec
even thought the mod show that it IS
though*

vap0rtranz is your disk mounted noexec?

a hyphen infront of a USE flag disables it?

no

csc`: yes. i'd suggest adding it to your package.use file.

tdr (rw)

vap0rtranz, ls -lah and paste the entry to show the mode for the file/directory then

csc`, unless you want it later on

no other options

well downgrading my nvidia drivers didn't work either

wheres package.use again?

csc`, /etc/portage/package.use

Leratek, using a sony are you?

sony what?
monitor?

box

if you don't want any gtk might as well put it in global use

like i said, the mod's are all there: ls -lah /usr/bin/tail

/bin/tail

i build all of my own boxes

what am i supposed to be doing there grey_wolf?

# ls -lah /bin/tail
7

this is an asus a7v8x-x with an amd xp 2500+

so everyone can exec it

geforce fx 5600

Leratek, then fall back to using nv and curse a bit, ’till it feels better

csc` line: media-sound/aumix -gtk

/etc/portage/package.use

ah

sn00p-: also, not sure if it should be ELFCLASS32 or ELF32, according to readelf most of my bins are "ELF32"
sn00p-: might want to readelf -h the .so and see if it is ELF32 or ELFCLASS32 there

vap0rtranz your whole line representing symlinks witha via and arrows semi-confuses me

basically it's come down to what's more important, a better console resolution or a working tty

sorry tdr

oh and i guess the ability to log out of x without rebooting

(probably just a different naming convention between the loader and readelf though)

Leratek problems going back to framebuffer after you go into x?

yeah, screen goes black and i have to reboot to fix it

Leratek, same problem here using a 5200

Leratek I personally suggest you not use framebuffer then

ever find a fix?
Kevin`: that's the plan

Leratek, tells me the monitor can't display the mode. nope, never found a fix

yeah i assume that's what happens.. monitor goes into unsupported resolution/refresh rate

$newdisk/mnt/$olddisk/usr

pain in the yams it is

Leratek, well i did notice my machines at work that are nvidia use normal vesa framebuffer, my one here that doesn't work uses -tng
vap0rtranz ah ok. much better

so vesafb works, but vesafb-tng doesn't??

yay
it's a silly old unix hosting question and i can't remember the "best" way its done

Leratek i've not rebooted to use plain vesa here to test it, but all my other boxes use that and this is the only one a MANY that has the problem

What's the difference between Bon Echo and Firefox?

i'll test it right now

Skankerpotimous, none

Leratek i'd appreciate knowing if it works

give me like 5min to recompile and reboot a bunch

Skankerpotimous, bon echo is the beta release of ff2.0

nolimitsoya, Why do I get Bon Echo instead of firefox then?
nolimitsoya, ah :P

Skankerpotimous firefox is the official brand, bon echo is not

it's probably the only thing i haven't tried yet :P

Skankerpotimous use the branding flag, it'll call it firefox

ah, sorry, i didn't realize that my kernel doesn't even have vesafb-tng. i should have checked that, or we might have solved it sooner.
uah, sorry, i didn't realize that my kernel doesn't even have vesafb-tng. i should have checked that, or we might have solved it sooner. /u

tdr, yea, enabling the mozbranding/branding use flag _should_ fix it, but on my old system (havent emerged firefox on this one) it was still bon echo

Skankerpotimous, if you were running debian youd be surfing using iceweasel :P

isn't it controlled by the bindist flag these days? (or is that just the ~arch versions)

nolimitsoya, OMG ITS SO UGLY

so anyone got a recommendation for an ncurses music player?

csc`: mpd+ncmpc is pretty good imo

oh my! 14 packages to go! ugh, finally

csc`: moc

if another gcc comes out in 3 weeks im going to cut somebodys head

TFKyle not sure. i have 2.0.0.5 built -bindist and it's firefox

was 4.2.1 added to portage yet?

TFKyle, nope
TFKyle, :/

tdr?

TFKyle, i see no branding flag
vap0rtranz, which UNIX are you using?

TFKyle, gnu's site says 4.2.0 was out on march

(probably most of the stuff upstream in 4.2.1 is in gentoo's patchset anyway, but meh)

this one
lol, 2007.0

Skankerpotimous, acctualy, 4.2 is just around the corner :P

TFKyle, it got in portage like, one week ago

look at the news at gcc.gnu.org

vap0rtranz oh, i thought you said it was an old UNIX box

out of curiosity, why are you using 4.2?

TFKyle, i have

"July 18, 2007 GCC 4.2.1 has been released."

vap0rtranz misread.

grey_wolf, because i am :P

no, it's a very old UNIX problem

TFKyle, gonna take a while till its in portage

GCC 4.2.1 "

i think im just gonna goto sleep

TFKyle, look at 4.2.0 release date

night

just correcting that .0 was the newest version

but why?

TFKyle, i never said that, i said it was im portage
grey_wolf, cause i gcc-config'd it and emerge'd -e world

ah, sorry… misread what you said

TFKyle,

you're evading.

hello

grey_wolf, would there be any reason not to? ive been thinking of upgrading…

grey_wolf, there is no actual reason, but sicne im installing all over again, im using the newest, otherwise ill have over 1000 packages installed and it will be a pain to use the new gcc
grey_wolf, i wasnt gonna do it if my partition wasnt corrupted

You know, it is always fun doing new gentoo installations, got my laptop back from repairs, and installing a shiny new installation on it using ideas that I have been brewing for a while. squashfs images, like a livecd, make the backbone of it, combine that with unionfs, and you get some
fun.

nolimitsoya, the same reason people say its bad to have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch" in your make.conf

the main reason i can think of is that gcc-4.2 is too new. 4.1 is quite stable and well-tested. beyond that, i don't see any compelling reason to upgrade. i'm just trying to understand why Skankerpotimous did.

figure .1 will be thrown in portage relatively fast, as the 4.2.0 was supposedly just added for a bit of testing before .1 got released and added

grey_wolf, ive stated it, i was going to anyways, i just did it earlier because this is a new install…

Skankerpotimous, yes, well that is bad :P

(wouldn't go stable)

TFKyle, wasnt x.x.* releases only bugfixes and needed not an emerge -e world?

Skankerpotimous, if you are going to use "unstable" packages, they should be handpicked from the sources whos qa you trust

4.2.0 didn't need an emerge -e world

TFKyle, …

lol

TFKyle, if that is true im going to suicide…

I think only 3.4 and maybe 4.0 needed one

Skankerpotimous, its true

Though my laptop hard drive is running nice and warm at 50 degrees celsius.
uThough my laptop hard drive is running nice and warm at 50 degrees celsius./u
buThough my laptop hard drive is running nice and warm at 50 degrees celsius./u/b

Skankerpotimous, i thought you said you did the -e couse your partition was busted?

is it normal that portage wants to downgrade firefox to 2.0.0.4 ?

nolimitsoya, my / partition was busted

from 2.0.0.5

slacker_, if you where using 2005 and it was unkeyworded, yes

nolimitsoya, im reinstalling from scratch, thus using the new gcc version already

(due to libstdc++ soname changes in 3.4 and I think some C++ ABI changed in 4.0 as well)
(or versioning maybe, no idea how that works)

2.0.0.5 is ~arch, 2.0.0.4 isn't.

unkeyworded? what is that?
ah

nolimitsoya, and i thought that a x.*.x upgrade was also a major update. thus needing an emerge -e

Does gentoo-sources 2.6.18-r6 support vmap?

but why did portage upgrade it then?

not always. when the major number changes, yes. 3.4 was a major exception - they changed the ABI drastically.

Skankerpotimous, well, anything to the left means a minor upgrade. besides, its all fine as long as they produce compatible binaries

what kernel were you using again? I've forgotten — got distracted by Samurai Jack

it was probably set arch at one point and was reset.
ck-sources-2.6.22_p1

ah yes

but if portage is compiled with gcc 4.1, and i install gcc 4.2, and then gcc-config it, and it has a bugfix or an improvement, wouldnt i need to rebuild to get the bugfix/improvement?

how do I remove a package and everything that depends on it?

course it's always a good idea to remerge stuff after a gcc update, to make sure it compiles with it (and make sure something on your system isn't b0rked), and to fix any possible errors

Skankerpotimous, na

thus, to get the most out of a gcc upgrade i need to emerge -e?

not necessarily.

Skankerpotimous, its a bit more complicated than that…

If sed segfaults during emerge…… how do I fix that?

Skankerpotimous gcc compiles itself internally, it bootstraps and builds itself

are you using 3 partitions? (source of symlink, destination of symlink, and / ?)
are you using 3 partitions? (source of symlink, destination of symlink, and / ?)

generally, updates to GCC involve changes to the way it handles things internally - the machine code it generates is generally the same from release to release.

Skankerpotimous, as long as there is nothing wrong with the binaries, and as long as they are compatible with the ones being output by the never version, there is no reason to compile anything

usually, those updates fix code generation problems in *very* obscure cases.

*recompile

so on every update but on a *.x.x i just re-emerge libtool and run revdep-rebuild?

grey_wolf you know again?

unless something was dramastically changed?

hmm, should -e gnome probably, though the -e system recompiled most of X

the only thing you need to recompile when gcc is updated is your kernel and any modules

Skankerpotimous, on every update that doesnt recommend you do anything special, dont recompile anything

haha!
great success!

well, since its now only needing to emerge more 6 packages, ill let it finish to emerge gtk and stuff, fix circular deps, and emerge e :P

Leratek, ?

Leratek yes?

yeah vesafb fixes everything

Leratek normal vesa rules?

Kevin`: -C removes a package. removing everything above or under it in the dep tree is very much more complicated

Leratek, i strongly suspected that

take that jesus! with your pointy crown and your fancy wine parties.. taught you a lesson

grey_wolf how so

tdr, agrees, sis driver is a bunch of crap, sis stuff sucks ass, i use vesa for everything

just two disks/two partitions

Skankerpotimous, this is framebuffers, not xdrivers

though my refresh rate is still 50hz instead of 60

nolimitsoya, sisfb and sis normal driver sucks

i just tried creating the symlink from pwd as $olddisk/

how can i block an ip address from accessing anything on my server? (ssh, http, ftp, etc..) I've got an ip trying to hack its way through

real 2m40.078s

but now /usr/bin/ls complains of Too many levels of symbolic links

Kevin`: emerge –depclean will try to remove packages that don't seem to be depended upon, but it's known to occasionally remove packages you do need.

Skankerpotimous, realy? i wasnt aware sis had its own fb…

vap0rtranz try going directly from the one tail to final destination binary it should it, avoid the loops

grey_wolf I want to remove, or at least get a list of, everything that in some way depends on a package

nolimitsoya, yea, its nice, but if text scrolls too fast you see lines on-screen, like you would on X with the video driver sis

Kevin`: packages that depend on something can be listed trivially with "equery d"

nolimitsoya, some annoying shaking lines that makes you want to kill yourself.

by moving /usr/bin/* to $newdisk/usr/bin?! well i was trying to keep /usr on the $olddisk

grey_wolf but some of those packages listed are dependencies for other packages, and so on

vap0rtranz, kernel limits sym links to like 8 i think, and includes submouts

Kevin`: so you equery d the ones in the list and so on until you get one that has no list. then emerge -C it.

-j DROP or similar

:/

that's the end of that chapter

$newdisk/bin/tail

Kevin`: you can script the whole process, but it'srather tedious work either way

well two

thank you Triffid_Hunter

vap0rtranz well $oldisk is mouted some place correct?
and so is $newdisk

oh yea, it's $newdisk/mnt/olddisk
of course

so those are 2 sym links there
er levels

otherwise i would hope linux would say "file no found"

time to fix circular deps

(getting output)
bart.kwzs.be/blah.txt

ok cya guys, going to sleep

Kevin`: did you change your CHOST?

grey_wolf possible, I think I had to before

-l PREROUTING, is that i small L or a capital i ? because small L gives me an invalid option

Kevin`: you should never change it. ever. you set it when you install and then that's it.

gentoo Kevin` chost guide

Kevin`: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml

grey_wolf I suppose I should just make a chroot and do things cleanly with the new versions of everything then?

Kevin`, if you do want, you can fix it, but its gonna be a HUGE PAIN
Kevin`, if youre a sadomasochist, follow that guide

a pain i can't help with. i have to get up in 6 hours.

i'll just rebuild the system, it needs a cleaning
hm
how much disk space does gentoo need to build itself for a normal install

xushi i think it's a number one that is confusing you

about 100mb for stage3 + space to untar it + portage snapshot and space to untar it

Kevin`: including /usr/portage/distfiles/, i'd say 10GB or more.

iptables -t nat -1 PREROUTING………. ?

ok

xushi thats a number one after PREROUTING

i'm asking about before prerouting

i just did one under 1.5G

vap0rtranz, he said including distfiles

mine quickly baloons just for a basic install. i usually need a *lot* of space for all the packages i end up downloading.

xushi an -A should work there too, for append to the PREROUTING table

www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml — just follow this mna.

you need a different font.. it's -capital i PREROUTING one, as in Insert into PREROUTING at line 1 source blah jump to DROP target

skankerpotimous hmm? oh after emerging all the recommended stuff? oh i don't count that. standard filesystem + snapshot + kernel = running system. it don't much; it runs

just compiled gcc-4.2 finally after the 4th try

thanks , that's what i needed to know

vap0rtranz, distfiles is where the sources go. if you count that (and doesnt delete/maintain it) you need A LOT of space

distfiles is 2.4gb on mine currently

if, e.g., i were doing the same as xushi in a script, would "iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -s "$1" -j DROP" be adequate for removing the entry? want to make sure before i test this. ;P

grey_wolf -D is what
?

yes, that's what i $ du -hs /usr/portage/distfiles did. it's not 10G

–delete

grey_wolf ah right, i'm just tired

;P

vap0rtranz,

3 AM here

9 AM here!! I

I always use iptables-save and iptables-restore to remove entries, can't go wrong with that

Skankerpot|Sleep how many machines are you archiving and updating at the same time, and across how many net mounts?

Kevin`: not when i'm rebooting and adding these scripts to denyhosts :P

tdr, err…

Skankerpot|Sleep i've got like 20 terminals open all doing weird things and half the boxes are being bad

tdr,

Skankerpot|Sleep one box is dying i think. 2.5 minutes just to list lsof

tdr, wow..

i'm guessing dead drive. i tried blaming the amd cpu, but i was caned for it

yep should work

can i just mount two disks with different directores to / ??!!
LOL
that WOULD be the solution

vap0rtranz using a unionfs maybe with some black magic

great. now i can just block them dang script kiddies altogether. :P

oh godz, this was the point of virtual filesystems and all the abstraction

heh I have rate limiters and greylisters and stuff in my firewall.. works great

i'm just sick of seeing my /var/log/messages baloon to 10MB every day from all the SSH connections
anyway. bed.

$IPTABLES -A CONNRATELIMIT -i $EXTIF -s ! ${INTIP%.*}.0/24 -d $EXTIP -p tcp –dport ssh –syn -m recent –name sshbrutes –set; $IPTABLES -A CONNRATELIMIT -i $EXTIF -s ! ${INTIP%.*}.0/24 -d $EXTIP -p tcp –dport ssh –syn -m recent –name sshbrutes –update –hitcount 4 –seconds 60 –rttl -j
DROP works for me

grey_wolf i use app-admin/denyhosts to help with that

that's what i just reconfigured. i've been using it for months.
i'll have to file that for future reference. looks handy.

grey_wolf nice. i just found it about a week ago

did shiro wake up yet?
whoops
wrong chan

how does one link /usr to another drive?

bmax you can't take it back
vap0rtranz you can mount it there or mount –bind if its already mounted
vap0rtranz you could put your other locating first in the path
location

huh?
alright, i see. now how about if the disk has OTHER directores that / likes to have?

vap0rtranz like ?

/bin

vap0rtranz you can't do that in fstab, you could maybe get away with moutning it there if you're already booted, but that's real messy
vap0rtranz certain directories _have_ to be on your / when you boot

blah blah; obviously, but i'm switching between chroot environments and making sure symlinks work; the kernel will find mount on / when i'm done, no worries

how do i add alsasound start to default run leve?

octavarium, rc-update add alsasound default

gentoo octavarium alsa guide

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml

:/ i thought i already did that
maybe not

$ rc-update show | grep alsa
then you'll know

ty vap0rtranz

h

i hadnt done it yet …. oops

hi
I need help with network boot

hi rttoran, what exactly?

hey guys. what emerge flag do i use to update the whole system?

can someone give the result of du -hs /usr/portage/ —?

emerge -avtDNu world works for me

thanks
I made 500MB partition for it and I am short of MB

i'm running memtest 86 on my machine and i'm not sure if it just failed big time of if this is normal

hrmm?

memtest has been running for a while and when i looked back at themonitor the screen was black with flashing colors on it

emerge –sync, then emerge -DNatuv world

i just tried out this live gentoo cd. mpentoo… i really really really like it.

actually i know i'm screwed

I just drank some coffee
I really really really like it

but i'd like to convince myself otherwise

nevermind!! I am running Gentoo, I can check on mine!! DUHH!!!
622M /usr/portage/

sounds like you have serious problems

du -hs /usr/portage/ 622M /usr/portage/

does anyone know what i need to burn a *.vmdk file???

hrm, mine's still going

teach rttoran about distfaq

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#distfiles

so I guess 800 will be ok

never even heard of those

what does 'file filename.vmdk' say it is?

you mustn't have many distfiles

only if you don't plan on installing anything

this is WITHOUT distfiles

vmware disk image?

du -hs /usr/portage/ =~ 1.4G

yes

7.7G /usr/portage/distfiles

I imagine such a thing should be burned as a data file

that faq needs to be updated

how can that be, why is yours SOOO big?

what faq?

_that_

distfiles ~ sourcefiles
those are rather big
it's not a tiny distro
and i like to keep things light

622M /usr/portage/

well must be a fresh install

hardly a fresh install, more than a year

how about NFS? how did secure unix web hosting guru's get all those terminals using ONE /usr yet have symlinks everywhere

relative rather than absolute paths?

'Unix'

both have failed
hehe

'gurus'

anyone here ever use mpentoo?

well whatever one calls our predecessors

old? :p

mpentoo ?? WTF??!!

Hmm, cpu temp is 87C, somewhat hot, though it is compiling, pentium m within laptop.

JDGBOLT, id worry about that… 87C? is pretty much

ouch, that's insanely hot
I limit my cpu temp to 53c

It's a pentium M sonoma 2.13ghz.

I turn off my computer when smoke comes out of it :p
tends to work

reisio, if were going to be anal about it, its acctualy trademarked as UNIX
*-c+t

'it'?

UNIX

y'know when it was trademarked 'UNIX'?
no? okay then be quiet :p

by whom? Novell this time??
lol

reisio, whats when got to do with anything, or where you just trolling?

somewhere in there is AT&T; i mean, Bellsouth, no no, Cingular
lol

Though is is currently 86 or so degrees ambient in this room atm.

it has to do with anything because it was 'Unix' for years before it was UNIX

JDGBOLT, I hope thats not C?

No, F.

JDGBOLT, oh. nice, so your house isnt on fire

reisio, still means the now official name is UNIX

Nope, just 00:49.

the official name of what? :p

UNIX

what is 'UNIX'?

nolimitsoya, what is the unofficial name?

as in sysv, or just UNIX

to me, "Unix" is what Thompson and Ritchie say it is - and they say it's "Unix", btw :p

ditto

Skankerpotimous, idk, is there one? :P

call me old fashioned :p

that was the SysV v. BSD split time, no?

nolimitsoya, for it to be official, something unofficial must exist

of something official :p

heh

nolimitsoya, or not, idk, i cant think straight atm

The Open Group has so little to do with Unix :p

Skankerpotimous, are you sure? that seems strange to me

nolimitsoya, just nvm :P

hey guys, once i emerge xorg-server do i need to run anything after to update the system?

in my gnome toolbar the terminal icon starts the terminal. Can I have it start the terminal, then, for instance, run "top"?

lots of things

[[thufir]]: whether or not that will be easy likely depends on the goodness of the terminal app
[[thufir]]: gnome-terminal?

what do I need to use VNC?
I wanna VNC ubuntu into Gentoo

[[thufir]], yea, depends of the terminal, idk about gnome's one, but Eterm lets you do that

[[thufir]]: check man gnome-terminal for a param for starting with a command…there probably is one

is that possible?
what do I ened ?

yes. gnome-terminal

[[thufir]]: might be as simple as 'gnome-terminal anothercommand'

rttoran, you need, fex, vnc :P

BRB, will check it out.

vap0rtranz, i dont mean getting it running with a WM, i realize i need to edit the xorg.conf file and such, but is there anything gentoo specific that needs to be done after emerging it?

rttoran, or you can use the likes of telnet…
*ssh

bmax, no, just configure X and set xdm .xinitrc and stuff and run it

Skankerpotimous, cool thanks

BOTH fex+vnc?

changing the command to "gnome-terminal top" caused it to fail silently

nvidia-drivers-100.14.11 fails after kernel 2.6.23RC1 compile

[[thufir]], haha

ubuntu, you need a vnc java server hosting on the ubuntu box, and a vnc client on the gentoo machine

[[thufir]], gnome-terminal -x (command)

rttoran, fex=for example

heh. oh, thanks.

[[thufir]], you owe me, that took me one command and 4 seconds of scrolling up to get it

oh
so I'll install vnc then

rttoran, good thinkin' :P

I think ubuntu does have a VNC server

crap.. I forgot to set a password

just compiled gcc-4.2 finally after the 4th try

pfft

so I will see the ubuntu Desktop on the Gentoo
?

Hello. Could someone please tell me if there exists a program that will simulate the shell within the windows environment that i could use to develop training materials for doze users wishing to learn linux???

rttoran, yes

anything Ubuntu can have, Gentoo can have, and vice versa
cygwin.com

LiNuX_Fr3aK, cygwin.

will see this in a few mins
lol

reisio, There's a difference between CAN and DOES though.

yes, and?

Why not run a toy server, and have them PuTTY into that?

I changed it to "gnome terminal -x sudo su -" because that's what I invariably want the terminal for…

fie packages.gentoo.org

mmm… I wish it would be easy as : ssh ubuntu@ip lol
ok brb

rttoran, it is that simple

ffr http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?BetterCygwinTerminal

just start the ssh daemon

doc|home, that's not what I was saying but thanks though :|

[[thufir]], that makes the terminal login into root, and as soon as the sudo su - command is over, it closes

But how would i do a ls or a cp in doze?

I was speaking more along the lines of Ubuntu not having Pidgin.

[[thufir]], i think, it might not be like that

going to Narnia, brb!

fie, it does…
fie, its called gaim, but wth…

asking us to go through each package and check against a distro we don't know might be a little time consuming

same stuff anyways

nolimitsoya, gaim is older than pidgin

Skankerpotimous, not the ubuntu one

Has anyone tried testout certificaton?

rttoran, check out www.nomachine.com i use that and it works great

is there a command that wil, automatically update all the _cfg0000_ config files?

nolimitsoya, ? seriously? lol nice

easy to setup as well

man
my ram failed memtest big time
lol it didn't even give an error
it just shat out

doc|home, … again you're still misunderstanding me.

Skankerpotimous, the ubuntu code is the rl of pidgin, still called gaim at the time

you don't want to do that, it could trash stuff. That's why it's interactive

FireDemo1SiC, etc-update or dispatch-conf

*rc

They use a shell in windows that is purely simulated and it lets you know when you have completed the correct steps for a given task

yeah

You're talking like I'm saying something bad about gentoo

i checked which ones needed updating

perhaps you should explain?

only only that overwrites anything important is rc.conf and its only one line that needs changing
*only one

doc|home, Someone said that ubuntu can have the same software that gentoo has and visa versa….

fie nope, I'm saying we don't know about every package and can't really compare it against another distro :/

skankerpotimus, seems to work for me

thanks

I said "can have the same software and does have the same software is different"

will check

It takes time for people to compile source into deb packages and put it into the repo

hi! How do I disable upgrade for specified packages in gentoo?

[[thufir]], then its because of the sudo, i dont use it, nor gnome, im at the live cd, so i gnome-terminal –help and checked it, anyways, have fun

vice versa*

sure, and it takes time for it to go into portage too :/ nature of the best.

even encrypts the connection with the check of a box before connecting

*beast
ubuntu may even be faster than gentoo because there are far fewer variables than need to be tested

doc|home, Oh? I've always heard that most software gets updated in portage as soon as it comes out.

although I know there has been some work done on pidgin

package.mask

ok…this is driving me nuts: no matter what I do the GTK+ installer tells me the install has failed…help pls!???

fie, well, it still needs an ebuild built for it

doc|home, depends a lot on the software, wine x.42 (or something) was out the day it came out on winehq

nolimitsoya, Pidgin does??

fie very much depends on the software. Gnome for example could take a long time. Testing means that the larger the package, the longer it's likely to take.
exactly

i find the ubuntu repos are out of date a lot more than any gentoo ones

fie, any software needs an ebuild, or it wont be in portage

doc|home, while gcc 4.2 only came out like, 3 days ago

I'm not running gentoo right now.. I'm still installing… but I was really expecting it to have Pidgin.

fie, it does have pidgin -.-

yes, Pidgin is in Portage

fie, even if it doesnt, theres gaim and you can download the source and manually compile it.

fie, just saying, things arent in portage till someone has set toghether the ebuild to be put into portage

/etc/portage/package.keywords && emerge -atv pidgin

and emerge -n eix && update eix && eix -help

Ok.
3 eix

that will save your life someday
:p

what is eix?

emerge -s/-S on crack

bmax, tool to search portage

bmax, the best software you could ever ask for

eix is faster emerge -s

drazak, its not faster, its instant

not quite instant

ive only used gentoo very little, i dont even normally use options when i emerge software…

drazak, its instant here, unless theres like, over 70 matches

It caches portage db

It's even mentioned in the install howto now, isn't it?

SaintRyoda, it should
SaintRyoda, and i think it is,

tell me, someone, pls, what good is this GTK+ installer if it doesn't allow for any of the options the handbooks tell us about?

Cool!

or does anyone know how to get bittorrent-5.* to work?

frustrated_insta, you should just do the install manually if you can, i tried that gtk installer once, slow as hell

frustrated_insta, its a nice icon on your livecd gnome desktop. i really dont see any other useful use for it

emerge it? :p

frustrated_insta, minimal livecd + handbook is the way to go

follow the install howto. It's much more fun that way

renihs, lies, im using the livecd + handbook gnome-terminal is emerging and i got firefox with flash :O
renihs, much better then just a prompt with an irc client

lol…i already used fdisk to get my partitions done

but I get alot of errors when running it

frustrated_insta, so what? then you can ommit that part

a_lot

use a different client then

I masked bittorrent 5, they screwed it up

archangel, ktorrent is realy nice

Azureus is good too, if you have lots of ram

Comments

I could make a script that would go and poll the directory every few mins or something and add-remove based on

TCP DLROZEN:4247 localhost:4246 TIME_WAIT
TCP DLROZEN:2466 64.124.132.15.vieodata.com:http ESTABLISHED
TCP DLROZEN:4005 zelazny.freenode.net:6667 ESTABLISHED
TCP DLROZEN:4034 by1msg3245806.phx.gbl:1863 ESTABLISHED

…. hahah

973
TCP DLROZEN:4258 voyager.home:5431 TIME_WAIT
TCP DLROZEN:43795 localhost:4257 TIME_WAIT
oops

oi!!!!!!

oops is right…

sorry

I should think so too

going.. going…

apc

forgot the pastebin thing

apc is Try using http://apache.pastebin.ca - It's a good pastebin, and is even set up to highlight Apache 'stuff'. or Alternative PHP Cache and does what php refuses to do: Optimize your PHP code. http://pecl.php.net/package/APC

it's just habit man
fucking chill

Stop that NOW

gorn!

use a pastebin
do not swear at me again, ok

i wasn't swearing at you

or you will be out on yer ear
I don't care

I don't need your habits, especially nasty ones like this - this is quite simply unacceptable behaviour

anyone there can spend some time with a fuckeble bug please ?

not at all

anyone can take a look please, my apache is only acepting one connection per user, i want my users be allowed to simultaniouse connections

i'm sorry man
i'll use pastebin

any here speak portuguese?!

why is my webserver prompting me to download my perl script rather than run it? I have ExecCGI+ in place

from the local LAN, or the internet ? per-browser, or per-IP ?

psykhe eu caralho

heheheh

adaptr from the internet

good…..vamos para o apache-pt

adaptr kick him if he swears again, please

thats happen per browser

too…

but is not a browser problem

if only I could

because rapidshare allow me to open 2 connections

you can

ah, oki

you have +O for now

you're going I take it ?

www.hdd.com.pt is only allow one connection

ok, all i'm sorry, neither will happen again

I cvant do it from my BB

i am batle on that over 1 week, and not found any soluction

but you can give O ? weird stuff, this IRC…

http://pastey.net/72506

adaptr my B client does not support kick and ban
BB
gbenemy icannot read that just yet
ill be home in about 40 mins or so

it's ok

does anybody have any suggestions for me?

you IRC with a BB client ? heh it must make the commutes at least a little bit bearable

gbenemy I can look for you then

Nor /quote, I assume?

adaptr you know any soluction to my case ?

adaptr god yeahn my boss does not mind the data bill either, but my fingers hate the slowtyping

ok thanks man

ricky indeed
now calm down, it will be sorted, jusy breathe

I know.. I have a new WM6 phone with teh MSN, and although I can attest that it is possible to MSN while walking - drunk - through town in the middle of the night, I daresay I have skirted a few automobile encounters

hehe
oh it does support it,,,
just as /me that's all

hi, ive just installed Apache 2.2 with PHP4.4.7 but when i visit a php site it just shows the code.. did i miss something?

oh come on, nobody can help me? im sure this is a common problem. please?

you did load the module

malkav, same to you, breathe, and be patient

or it's configurated correctly

people do have other things to do as well you know

oner: execcgi+ is not valid apache config, and two-er: + does not do what you think it does

1 More stop to go

ok lets throw that out of the equation, I've just set up this server, brand new, what should eb the first thing you would check

stop that!

a soluction ? I have not even read your config yet - which I was saving for after you have done some more clever investigating

adaptr and i do
i see the logs and not found nothing revelant

adaptr kick him

so you found lots of relevancy, okay good

now

now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the … oh, wait. now is now.

i'd check to see that you have options +execcgi in the right place, not just "somewhere in the config"

who ?

when i am making a download and try open a page from that site, that page stay opening

also, you'll need an AddHandler

but only rel open when the download finish
thats for me is a big problem

rici yeah thats what i was looking for i forgot all about AddHandler that was it let me check

ok ill be home soon

adaptr what you think i have to investigate more ?

yes, since I asked you a two-part question: the answer to the first was that they are internet source clients., and I did not get the answer to the second: is this *verified* per-IP or per-browser ?

i ansewr
is per-browser
but thats not hapen to me in another pages
like rapidshare

okay.. so this issue is NOT server-wide ?

i can download and open the page all times
that allow

that is no proof of anything, since rapidshare will be mass-hosted on many many servers with many different IPs

adaptr but is… another thing is limiting it
hmmm

anothjer thing ? not apache ?

thats true….
you right
let me make some tests

please do.. just use ab and start with 2 connections, then 3, then 4…

adaptr then,….

ICMP echo req (60 bytes) from dont-blame-admin-its-a-dy to 91.194.84.47 on eth0
wtf?

on my server i have very IPs

what could that be?

its possible make something like…. Open IP 1, if cant Oen IP2 ect..
with same doamin
*domain

don't try to "solve" your problem with ugly hacks - solve the problem!

There a way to test if a URL is being served from mem_cache other than reading the log?

hello

I've set up a reverse proxy on my apache, which seems to work… but with some strange behaviour…

im having some trubble with ssl and vhost

whenever I do a postback to a page, then click refresh in the browser, it always asks me to repost the data… but now with the reverse proxy that question never appears
anybody any idea on what's wrong?

adaptr test sucefull
and not give to me good values
firefox only allow one connection

huh ? how is it successful, then ?

IE with/without download acelarator only allow one connection
Maxthon2 only allow one connection
that only can be a java server hosting side
i realy belivel that

run /mode -o
sheez
stupid &*^in kvirc

i believe /mode -o not for me
lol

xchat ftw!

did you test it with a benchmark/connection test app ?
yeah, funny thing, this kvirc shite intercepts many slash commands

no

not very funny

let me google that

no need, test it with the server, it has ab

hi, I need to rewrite "/mirrorlist?repo=(.+)&arch=(.+)" into "http://somehost.domain.tld/$1/$2" but i can't work out how to escape the question mark

man ab (or ab2 depending on distro)

on own server ?

trying with \? keeps giving me that the file '/mirrorlist' isn't found

http://pastebin.com/d735becc

if you can only get one connection locally *on the server*, I'll believe it's a server issue, not before

you dont

ok, cool
hey ricky ;-)

you backreference them in a RewriteCond (using %{QUERY_STRING} ), then refer to them in a RewriteRule as %N instead of %N

does anyone know a different method maybe?
Roobarb, right
i'll try that

a RewriteRule never sees the query string

Strange, what about stuff like http://rewrite.drbacchus.com/rewritewiki/Arguments_2fPathInfo?

let me be more specific - the match part of a RewriteRule never sees the query string

how do you write a ScriptAlias that matches querystrings?, so /index.html?foo=bar, gets sento the same place /index.html goes

Ah, OK.

unless DrBacchus can correct me?

that's 100% correct

No, I just misinterpreted what you were saying.

the rewriterule pattern matches the location part; not the scheme, not the host, not the query

adaptr test http://pastebin.com/m42b7159e

scriptalias ignores query strings, too.

but that link I posted might shuold hopefully have an exactly matching example.
**should

ricky, yeah i figured it out, Roobarb pointer was what i needed

that depends on whether kanarip wants to turn queries into pathinfo or pathinfo into queries

that test was maked on real server, now i ill test on my local machine

he said queries into pathinfo

Pathinfo into queries.

im waiting to fedfora boot

I see no problems there

nobody has any advice for my reverse-proxy setup?

show us your config, and an example URL

http://pastebin.com/d735becc

what does the requests that occurs as a result of the refresh look like in the access logs?
Is it a another POST?

Squid the preferred choice for Caching content from apache? Any other favorites?

I know you are expecting it to be, but lets make certain that is the case.
there are hardware based options as well, I wouldnt say squid is prefferred but it is a common and very accessible option

fair enough thanks

depends very much on your goals/requirements

I can't see any GET or POST request in the access.log at all…

do you see the original POST in the logs? the one that occured before the refresh?

adaptr http://pastebin.com/m693312c6
523
:x

5 2007] [error] [client [local client ip]] proxy: error reading status line from remote server [local

To just work with minimal hassle is my only requirement

can't see any requests at all…

your ProxyPass directive is wrong - you want to be doing: ProxyPass / http://ip/

heh, squid will do that It's pretty easy to get going

I used it like 3 years ago, just checking to see if anything has filled the gap

and use the same arguments for ProxyPassReverse as you do for ProxyPass

I read that as long as it's inside the location-tags, the initial slash isn't needed

and don't bother putting it in a location

as you can see, the concurrency level of 10 does let more than half the requests through, so it is probably NOT an apache issue
check switches, routers, firewalls
and cables, not to forget

hi, im back

I added a log-parameter, and now I get stuff in the log… when I click refresh in the browser I get three GET-requests on the server

also, ab tells you that the failed requests all failed on their length
i.e. they timed out

hmm… I think I might've traced it down… it's the ASP.Net AJAX component on the other end that might be causing it… I disabled that and I got the repost question again…
I'll have to access the site a while to see if that other error appears again

hey pctony

pctony is editing it still

hi
ok, so lets try this again
he has a new wife, of course he is

*opens

well… thanks for the help
nite

ok
do netstat again, and apc it

ok

heh
wise move

wow, there's alot more there than last time

thats fine

http://pastey.net/72511

not wuite apc but it'll do

wtf
why is the tarballs in /dev/dist/ throwing me an 403?!
:|

it doesn't like you anymore?

sorry

You will be!!

probably.

probably is the same as 'definitely not' when dealing with important or critical applications - if you're not sure, don't let 'probably' suffice

:

you did not run 'netstat -ano' did you
?
cm

http://httpd.apache.org/dev/dist/httpd-2.2.5.tar.bz2
:

LISTENING
that is what one line shoul dlook like ^^

http://apache.pastebin.ca/664749
oh
how do i get a line to look like that?

heh
as I said, "netstat -ano"
read the factoids, fajita does contain a LOT of knowledge
netstat

netstat prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multicast memberships. Use netstat -an grep -w 80 to check if port 80 is in use. (On linux, you can use netstat -pan to see which program uses the port, or -ltpn.) (For Windows use -ano to show the state, PID, and connection in static ip hosting not name format, or -abn).

i did netstat -ano this time

what's a good answer for a decent number of "Reading" requests in apache.

it came up with a bunch of ones that looked like the one you postedt

depends on your circumstances

but not the EXACT line

it wont be exact
just similar
paste them
please

such as, pctony?

http://apache.pastebin.ca/664750

number of users serving, etc
great

well; i recently restarted apache however it says 26.5 requets per second, usually itll go down to 15 even on high load; but still lots of waiting who are stuck and never change

much better, now qhat the hell dow you have running on that machine?

like itll be waiting for a looong while on same process

keepalive

keepalive is http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#keepalive

perhaps?

what's keepalive?

keepalive is http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#keepalive

is that for me? keepalive is disabled, they are "Reading" requests according to status

oh
sorry

You will be!!

ok, on your start menu what options do you have, exactly?

http://apache.pastebin.ca/664760

what happens if you try the test config option?

it opens a command prompt for a few seconds, displays nothing, then closes

ok

same as if i start in console, only that one doesn't close, it just displays an empty command box

do you have apache monmitor installed?
i would suggest you uninstall apache, stop all firewalls, and skype, etc
re install
and try again

wait
yes i have monitors
the problem isn't that when i go to http://localhost, it doesn't connect, the problem is that apache won't start
the problem isn't that when i go to a href="http://localhost"http://localhost/a, it doesn't connect, the problem is that apache won't start

I know
I want you to reinstall it
from scratch and clean

I got help earlier, but I realized there are emails with links to the http address. I need those to go to https. I'm going to need mod_rewrite, aren't i?

mod_rewrite won't help you with rewriting links in outgoing pages.
you'll need mod_proxy_html (or fix the pages)

hi folks! Does Apache have such a thing as config-file variables? I want to do something like "ServerAlias %HOSTNAME% in a vhost config

say I click http://host.domain.local?page=123, I want to redirect to https://host.domain.local?page=123

not really

is there any way to accomplish what I described, then?

I think think I heard something about mod_macro or mod_perl.
^ (but I've never tried using either for that purpose)

the redirect will do that

that particular attempt does seem rather pointless
heh

ok sorry about that
my parents decided to use the phone :@
Network Domain and server hosting Name…last time, I put these as my domain name, the one which i will point to my home server
do the same?
or should i put something different?

you can use what you like for now

rici, very nice
I thought it was sending a static relocation header

i cant start apache

join the club

lmao
apachectl configtest

apachectl configtest checks the syntax of your configuration file, and reports what lines, if any, contain errors. or httpd -k configtest, or, on Windows, apache -k configtest

fajita, thank you apachebot

apache has been re-installed

great
do you have any more options?

in terms of?

start menu etc

start menu exactly the same as before

http://rafb.net/p/5Fi55W25.html

but i'll try the test config
and the start in console links

errorlog

ok test configuration did the same as before

ok, do youhave apachemonitor?

and start apache in console is still just displaying a blank console
yes
i had it before

thats ok
is it in the taskbar?

yes

# cat /var/log/apache2/error.log
Unable to open logs

ok, and does it have a red square in it?

erm yeah, inside a white circle

redirect does a prefix match
and preservers the suffix

track is per day if i read it ok
ok
right click that
and select open monitor

yup

in there click start

any speak in portuguese?!

I can't
it's grey

okay its all fixed

the only things that are clickable are "ok" "services" "connect" and "exit"
everything else is grey

but how do i get the ssl host site to be a vhost

ok, click apache2 first

rici, I see that now, thank you very much
yet again

then try start again

where's that?
bin?

bin is too easy :P

hm nope
i cnt find it
i looked in every folder in my Apache directory

i have the ssl settings setup for a vhost how do i get it so its global

in apache monitor

so ssl will work with any of the vhosts

there is nothing in apache monitor….just the logo at the top, two blank text boxes to the left and the buttons to the right

I seem to have a few zombies coming into my server to do .. nothing — pretty much just using up a process till they timeout, whats the best solution

then I suggest that you need to reinstall again
try no sll
ssl

ssl is *Secure Sockets Layer. Ask me about mod_ssl or ssl vhosts see also http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/

i doubt you have suport forit anyway

is the problem maybe that i DIDN'T install as a service

turn down timeouts

but a console that needed to be run manually?

works if you get a ddos of them

did it ask you that?

yes

and you said no?
^^

it asked if i wanted to install as a service for all users or as this user only

all users

all users is Fsharing the same rights ,your just relying on apache to control access

well, number 1) it said "Install as a service (advanced users), install as this user only (begginers)

forget all users

I forgot all users

hahaha
silly fajita

and 2) if i install as a service, then it will start on my parents account
which is bad

i would suggest it should be the other way round
you really need to run it as a service
otherwise it will be very hard for you

it's not _that_ hard, it's just awkward

bt it'll thn run on my parent's account

so make it manual start
christ

You rang?

i cnt, that option was only available if i ddnt install as a service

first of all try and use correct english
secondly, install as a service then manually set it to manual start using services.msc

ok
but for now
thanks for your help

kk

I'll let you know if it worked or not

bring correct english next time

exactly its awkward

sorry

You will be!!

i'm use to msn

which for most XP users is hard

for anyone who doesn't use a real OS it is
anyway, i really need to sleep
later

okay now i cant start apacky again
my syntax is fine and there is nothing in the error log

are you available for some apachecon questions please? working on my registration and not clear on some things.

is there a war to start apache like with verbos debug or something

LogLevel debug

Use loglevel debug to increase the logging level of Apache. This will typically generate very large log files, and should only be used for short periods. Using this should also help you diagnose one's problems.

how do i set that?

in your httpd.conf

oh look out niq is about

im still not getting anything in my errorlog

Available, yep

cool, I'll keep it shory Does purchasing a track give me access to the sessions for the entire day?
short even

Eh? Purchasing a track? I thought there were just day tickets, and three day tickets…

I saw a track option listed for each day at $400

I think that's a day ticket
So you get access to all the sessions for that day

ok, perfect.

peeeeeerrrrrrfect. With Cheese on Top

does anyone know how to set an environment variable for the nobody user?

could you point me to a link, or quicky summarise what the general fee alone grants me?

the right to say you attended

and I apologize if this is on the site somewhere, I have looked and not been able to find the answers.

:-)

okay i finally have errors in my errorlog http://rafb.net/p/Qh7uks76.html
http://rafb.net/p/ScMAVH49.html

002 (127.0.0.1), does it mean anything to

The fee for the whole conference is entrance to all the sessions on Wed-Thur-Fri

ok, I was really confused then. So if I pay the one general fee, of $900 (special stay at conference hotel package) I am good to go for any session on any day?

Yep, exactly

yay!
you just made my day. I can afford to go

That's brilliant
I'm really glad you're going - have a blast!

thanks much for the clarification

No problem

i really dont get the error

that $900 fee includes hotel room or not?

my errorlog http://rafb.net/p/Qh7uks76.html my ssl settings http://rafb.net/p/ScMAVH49.html

Not

very unlikely

ok
guess I should actually read the page

does anyone know how to fix apache if it can't find shared libraries in a certain path?

hi — can anyone help with the correct syntax: in .htaccess: addtype application/vnd.etc.etc; boundary=boundary-1 ext
is this correct? do I need quotes around the application—boundary portion?

your BrowserMatch line is wrong - you've mis-spelt downgrade

okay

or should I remove the space between the semi-colon and boundary?

http://www.linux-corner.info/httpd/httpd-simple.conf shows a 2.2.4 SSL configuration

i have Apache/2.2.3

no difference

Does this mean anything to anyone? Directory index forbidden by rule: /var/www/vhosts/designwin.net/httpdocs/
In my ssl_error_log

hey, somebody is DDoS'ing my site, what is the best hosting way to stop /fight it?

Roobarb-Work: i dont get this https://geekasys.org and https://i-trash.org go to the same DocumentRoot eventho i have ServerName i-trash.org ServerAlias i-trash.org www.i-trash.org

Need some help with Apache and Perl, I updated perl but Apache is still looking in the old libraries for Perls, how can I fix that ?
Need some help with Apache and Perl, I updated Perl but Apache is still looking in the old libraries for Perl, how can I fix that ?

Hi all. Is there a simple way to make apache run cgi processes through a debugger, like gdb? I guess one way around this would be to make the program wait for a while after starting up, so you have time to check it's PID and attach gdb to it, but that requires modifying the program. Any guesses/links?

i dont get this https://geekasys.org and https://i-trash.org go to the same DocumentRoot eventho i have ServerName i-trash.org ServerAlias i-trash.org www.i-trash.org
is there a way just to have ssl work for any vhost
i want to run ssl certificates hosting without setting up individual vhosts

doesnt work like that, since most certs are for a single hostname.. unless of course you want ssl only for a common domain using a wildcard cert

Any gurus around to help with a small Perl-Apache problem ?

so then why when i setup a ssl vhost it applys for any https* even tho i have ServerName i-trash.org

Hello, I am having issues with apache

i need a regex that will match A-Z0-9_-\s but not match if there is a dot

Can anyone assist me with an install on Ubuntu Fesity?
Feisty*

apt-get install apache2

Coldsteal - It's installed

anyone?
please

It just doesn;t work well at all.

doesn't work ?

Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that's the problem

When i goto localhost I get no directories
And when I try to run a php services file it doesn't even run, it just gives me a save as…

edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default and comment out the RedirectMatch line in there

I suspect I have screwed up majorly somewhere

and
php handler

php handler is 'AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php

setup php

Can you suggest a way of purging the LOT and just starting again
It's a mess
PHP 5 is allegedly installed.

can someone tell me
if i use a regex, will it only allow characters that i put
with a ([^A-Z0-9_-\s]) or something

How can I remove everything, and just start from fresh?

just a sec

Cool.

hrm, I think I am going senile here. Is there some setting that will serve doc root/dir/foo.html when you GET /dir/foo ?

how do insert this regex into rewrite /[A-Z0-9_-\s]+/
at the moment i have this..
RewriteRule ^profiles/([^/]+)//?$ /dya/profiles.php?username=$1
need to replace ([^/]+) that

is it normal that my cgi-bin directories are ignoring the .htaccess that I am putting inside them?

RewriteRule ^profiles/([^/]+)/?$ /dya/profiles.php?username=$1
even

only if your system is configured that way. you have to explicitly enable .htaccess usually, check out allowoverride
allowoverride

AllowOverride tells Apache what things you wish to permit in .htaccess files. See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#allowoverride

yeah thats what I figured, but I wasnt sure what to put after the allowoverride
thanks ^^

likely you want RewriteRule ^profiles/([A-Z0-9_-\s]+)/?$ /dya/profiles.php?username=$1
you need to keep the parens, since what is matched inside is what $1 gets
but, why \s? that means whitespace

ah ok thanks i'll try that
oh is \s wrong?
i'm trying to match a space.. should i use %20 ?

quite likely

but how do u write %20 in regex..

spaces are invalid in URLs
so there won't be one to match

yeh i know that just didn't know how to write the %20
i'll look it up..

it's literal text, just allow % matches. although mod_rewrite might have some special handling for url encoding. not sure

will httpd log incomplete req's?

so % isn't a special character? ok

yeah, in error log, usually with message like, 'user pressed stop?'
not in a regex, no

ah, so nothing in the access logs?

dkr it errors with that regex u gave me

well, it depends on what you mean by incomplete, if apache starts sending data and connection interrupted, it will log the access (and bytes sent). it won't log access if actual request never finished. I think
well, I didn't really give it to you, I put theone you gave me inside the other you gave. what regex did you use exactly, and what is the error?

how can i block ppl connecting to apache but does not send any data and waits to timeout and eats MaxClients ?

RewriteRule ^profiles/([A-Z0-9_-%]+)/$ /dya/profiles.php?username=$1 [R=301]
RewriteRule ^profiles/([A-Z0-9_-%]+)/?$ /dya/profiles.php?username=$1
500 server error
so apache doesn't like it

error log

Look for the ErrorLog directive in your configuration file. Common locations include /var/log/apache/error_log, /var/log/httpd/error_log, /usr/local/apache/logs/error_log, and "C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache/[version]/logs/error.log"

don't read browser error, read error from apache in error log. maybe you need to quote the pattern? I'm not familiar with mod-rewrite, really

hmm can't find my apache error log
i have a php one but thats not useful for this..

look harder.

default layout

Pop along to http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout for an idea on where the main distros place Apache files.

grep -r ErrorLog /etc

permission denied it's shared host hosting and jailshell prevents me from doing well..anythign
i'll see what cpanel has to offer

verbatim

Verbatim means "word for word" "copy and paste". It means we want the exact error message from the error log. That also means use a pastebin for 3 lines. Ask me about 'apc' for which pastebin to use.

^^

I've never used shared hosting, but I'd be quite surprised if they didn't give you access to apache error log
I've never used shared hosting, but I'd be quite surprised if they didn't give you access to apache error log

Look, I don't have to take this crap, right.

I still can't figure this out. request for /dir/foo is loading doc root/dir/foo.html maybe someone edited config and didn't reload, aha, file is recently modified

cannot compile regular expression '^profiles/([A-Z0-9_-%]+)/$'\n
theres the error

why do you have \n in it?
would you happened to have edited the file in windows?

oooh

%]

that might be the problem :P

it's _-%

how can i block ppl connecting to apache but does not send any data and waits to timeout and eats MaxClients ?

accept filter

accept filter is Jrun before the OS informs the app (Apache) that there is a new connection.

actually no it isn't that
because i use a plain text editor..

it's _-%
that's meaningless

well, if \n is from the regex, then '' look more than a little suspicious

rici me?

jjss, see

if you can use an accept filter, that's what they are for (OS dependent)

acceptfilter

Anyone in here that can help with a small Perl-Apache problem ? I upgraded perl but Apache is still using the old libs and I am probably to stupit to figure out why….

acceptfilter is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#acceptfilter

my cgi-bin dirs are ignoring .htaccess's DirectoryIndex, even though Indexes is enabled in AllowOverride
I suck at this .

- has special meaning inside [] it is the range operator. you can either put it at the end, or escape it with a backslash

right, and _ does not come before %

rici, any docs or how do i do it?

KiZ, scriptalias?

rici and i dont know where it's comming from because its a rather big DDoS

bahumbug, what do you mean
sorry, Im a little new to this

what OS do you have

i think it's just cPanel that adds the \n
it's definitely not there

rici, slackware linux 2.6 apache 2.2

i'm looking at the file on the linux shell
and the \n is NOT there

it's the part of the regex _-%

have you looked at mod_security?

oh

i've said it three times so it's true

mod_security

mod_security is http://www.modsecurity.org/documentation/index.html

then how do i do to change it?

dkr, mod_security only works after data is sent

i want to match those 3 characters _-%

linux has a sort of accept filter
you should be able to enable it
acceptfilter

acceptfilter is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#acceptfilter

rici?
please help me

however, it might not be enough to solve your problem
that was answered too
either escape the - or put it at the end
"escape" means put a \ before it

I think you are missing the point, do you understand that A-Z means A or B or C … all the way to Z?

Anyone in here that can help with a small Perl-Apache problem ? I upgraded perl but Apache is still using the old libs and I cant figure out why….probably only take a minute to solve if I knew how.

rici just add AcceptFilter http data to httpd.conf?

ah ok thanks, yes i know that dkr..

well, now you can see why _-% is invalid, it's trying to create a range of character from _ through %

yep i see now thanks

it's not a matter of sharpness, it's a matter of how many tools you have, you can add more tools by reading about basic regular expressions.
they are a very useful tool to have

ok so i've got this now.. RewriteRule ^profiles/([A-Z0-9_\-%]+)/$ /dya/profiles.php?username=$1 [R=301]
still not working though

define not working

you might need a (better) firewall

perhaps your useranmes can be in lowercase,a s well? you are only matching upper case letters

500 server error
oh yeh i will add that, thanks

what does the error log say, exactly?

cannot compile regular expression '^profiles/([A-Z0-9_\\-%]+)/$'\n

why are you escaping \?

can i do RedirectMatch permanent .* https://ssl.example.com/index.php?ls=Proxy
or

i wasn't i just did \-

then why did you paste \\- ?

thats what the log says :s

maybe the error message escaped it?

are you obfsutcating your rule on purpose?

the \ gets escaped in the log

why not just Redirect / https://ssl.example.com/index.php?ls=Proxy ?
why not just Redirect / a href="https://ssl.example.com/index.php?ls=Proxy"https://ssl.example.com/index.php?ls=Proxy/a ?

do I need mod_dir to get DirectoryIndex working for .htaccess?

which version of apache are you using?

I think it does not, especially in a []

i think you're right

directoryindex

directoryindex is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex

you could do ([A-Z0-9_%-]+) to avoid the escape

so all i do is ` Redirect / anapivir~ `
https://ssl.example.com/index.php?ls=Proxy

yeah, do it like dkr says

that would be a yes

so all i do is ` Redirect / https://ssl.example.com/index.php?ls=Proxy`

where do I get it from then .
its not in mods-available

rici, yes but there isnt many iptables rules that can block it

redirect

redirect is http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect or see 'Redirect Context'

or is it a core component

which version of apache are you using? 1337

install it.
no, it's not a core component.

ok
thanks

1.3.37 uses posix regexes

works, thanks dkr.. and everyone else who helped me

yeah, any request starting with / is same as a match for .* since all requests start with /

so if you put - in a character class, it needs to come either at the beginning or the end

if you have access to the config file, you should not use htaccess either.

ah ok

iptables is not enough, true.

Anyone in here that can help with a small Perl-Apache problem ? I upgraded perl but Apache is still using the old libs and I cant figure out why….probably only take a minute to solve if I knew how.

it depends how perl is linked to your apache package.

what libs

if it's statically linked, then you must recompile apache.

I recompiled apache, (a few times actually)

I am not sure what he meant, myself.
did you recompile mod_perl?

libs = libraries e.t. perl5/5.8.8/lib
libs = libraries e.g. perl5/5.8.8/lib
@INC in Apache for perl (the libraries searched) is not that same as when I type perl -V, Apache is using /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5
/usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .
/usr/local/apache2 and perl -V shows /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/x86_64-linux
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl

this channel is not a pastebin

oh, sorry… e…. what is a patebin ?

apc

apc is Try using http://apache.pastebin.ca - It's a good pastebin, and is even set up to highlight Apache 'stuff'. or Alternative PHP Cache and does what php refuses to do: Optimize your PHP code. http://pecl.php.net/package/APC

you mean I should not past things like I did ?

you should not flood a channel
I was about to kick you, as a matter of fact

be kind thumbs…I did not know.
Won't happen again.

are you there?
if i do redirect / https://proxy.domain.com/secure.php only http://proxy.domain.com will redirect to that page how do i get it so http*://proxy.domain.com redirects to that page?

Hey everyone.. I'm fighting a losing battle with mod_rewrite.

put it in both vhosts.
time to throw down the gauntlets

hehe

can i have an example? i dont get it i have it working one way but not both
do i setup anouther redirect with https://proxy.domain.com https://proxy.domain.com/secure.php?

the example is to put that line in your HTTP and HTTPS vhost.
exactly as you had it.

okay

thumbs- This is the best way to explain what I'm trying to do:
https://domain.com/OrigDir1/OrigDir2 (rewrites to) http://localhost:8081/dirx/diry/OrigDir2

that sounds like a proxy.

I need to append JUST the last Directory of the orig. URL onto the end of the new one.
it is… but I'm not using mod_proxy

all right. Pastebin your current rules.

Mind if I pm the URL to you?

no, you may not.
if you can't show your code in this channel, then you can figure it out yourself.

http://apache.pastebin.ca/664959
ok, was just a question..

would someone be able to point me in the right direction for this error when i test my apache configuration? http://apache.pastebin.ca/664958

fqdn

fqdn is http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotDetermineServerName

get the correct hostname setup

^^
the last rules look fishy.

and thumbs thanks i'll have a read

well thumbs beats me anyways so i get back to my cave

did you triple paste them, by any chance?

i cant get it to work corectly

step one

whatever the problem, step one is to look in the error log (and any other logs that may apply, such as suexec, mod_rewrite, or mod_security).

Sorry, should explain. The first was commented out, the second is the one I'm speaking about. The third is a catch-all for the rest of the secure content.

if i don't have a domain name for my server at all would "UseCanonicalName off" be the way to treat it then?

no, add it to your hosts file.

jut put the ip in
or that

or use an IP.

The second was a last-ditch effort.. after MANY revisions hehe

well, RewriteRule /volLogin/$ http://localhost:8081/VirtualHostBase/https/secure.oys.org:443/WebSites/Public/helpout_oys_org/acl_users/VirtualHostRoot/$ [P,L]
makes no sense.

sounds like somone wants a procxy?

or https: twice in the rewritten url will do, exactly?

or maybe a redirect

a proxy would work better yes.

That is an application server specific URL.. it's how Zope handles the virtual domains.

that's quite ugly.
anyhow.

anyhow. is Gwe out of apache questions for the first time in what feels like a week

hosts file as in /etc/host.conf or in my apache settings?

yah well is localhost:8081 actualy handled by apache?

no, the hosts file
man hosts

ahh i see thanks thumbs

No, that's Zope's port.

yeah that won't work of course

so you're proxying Zope?

he wants to
but uses mod_rewrite

it won't work.

what does'snt work

use a proxy.

Would someone please explain to me what a fully qualified domain name is?

mod_proxy

mod_proxy is http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_proxy.html http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_proxy.html

fqdn

fqdn is http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotDetermineServerName

^^

thanks

mod_throttle is dead. how can i throttle apache to assist in my load testing

bandwidth

bandwidth is see netnice mod_bandwidth mod_throttle mod_bwshare mod_cband mod_bw mod_tsunami mod_evasive mod_limitipconn/please share your experiences with any of these

I was previously using mod_proxy for a long time before I switched over to mod_rewrite.

connection limiting
hrm

may I ask why?

maybe becouse the zope url looks like ass

There was an issue with it, but it was years ago, so I don't remember the exact circumstances.

ah didn't see the sentence
-cave

http://apache.pastebin.ca/664964

can i just do a mod rewrite rule that says http*://proxy.domain.com/ https://proxy.domain.com/?ls=Proxy ?

sorry, what was your problem?
i missed the original description
i know those cookiemonster rewrites all too well

I'm just trying to rewrite the URL but retain the last folder/PageTemplate in the URL.
Just looking to secure a user login in acl_users in an otherwise non-ssl site.

evnin

i'm not sure that's even a good idea….

its not it can still be sniffed

yeah
or forged, that would be more of the issue

i have a url im trying to rewrite bowness-homes-for-sale.html using this rule : RewriteRule ^(.*)-homes-for-sale.html index.php?neighborhood=$1&action=searchresults&pclass%5B%5D=

yup

how would i make it so if neighborhood has a space in it so forrest-lawn-homes-for-sale it will rewrite neighborhood=forrest%20lawn

I didn't know the rewrite could be sniffed since it's a localhost URL.

it still has to transfer from the prowser to the server to the rw rule

dudes….
if I use it http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_dbi_pool/
should I change the PHP code or is it "automatic" ?

The actual url will be https://secure.oys.org/volLogin/xxx but I'm just trying to proxy it to the correct Zope path.
Am I just not seeing it? :-/

any here speak in portuguese?!

yeah, but the login information is stashed in cookies, no?
those won't be sent with http:// requests
but if they were, they'd be sent in cleartext and etc.

Well, the session ID is stashed in the cookies, I didn't think the login info was.

hmm…

please, help me people

lemme' take a peak at a cookie right now..

try #php

Can you help ?

The user number (using MySQLUserFolder) and a session hash (in this case "yrqziaerzdbwhhgvhedgkfwylkmtjq") is stored.
So, no username or pw is held in the cookie.
At least it appears that way from what I can see.

ok, so then the only issue is whether the browser will actually pass the cookie on

rici, thanks

i don't think you need to change anything, but i'm not a php expert or anything
or even a php user

rici, lucky you

Can anyone help, its a simple question but cant fine the answer anywhere

maybe "Can anyone help" *was* the question

I can test that, but I'd need to get this rewrite working correctly. If I access https://secure.oys.org/volLogin/docLogin, I just need to rewrite to the Zope URL, but retain the docLogin on the end.

apparently the answer was no
yeah, so just a "normal" cookiemonster rewrite should work

And NOT include the volLogin in the rewrite, because it causes a Key Error.

hello. where do I change what url points to where. For example, on my local network, I want http://start to redirect to http://start.mylocal.net. Where do I do this at?

There is no such Zope folder as volLogin.

yeah, so you need to remove that part
by putting it before VirtualHostRoot
oh, sorry.

You will be!!

put _vh_volLogin after the VirtualHostRoot
http://cheimes.de/opensource/docs/zope-apache2/zope-apache2-4/

THANK YOU RICI!
I've been rewriting that rule on and off for a few days. You're a saint!
Now we'll see if the cookies behave.

i knew i'd need it again

The cookies aren't behaving, but I'm gonna' play around with the MySQLUserFolder parameters and see if I can force it into submission.
Do you do much work with Zope?

plone

I'm hosting plone for a few friends. I haven't played with it a ton, but what I have seen, I really like.
Thanks again for all of your help.

….You're a saint! "

hehe

figure comment like that was worth some karma

Well, now, at least I'll grow back the hair I ripped out.

mine doesnt seem to grow back anymore.

It's a status symbol, it shows how long you've been in the field. It gave up.

hehe
I'll have to remember that.

hrm.
I'm trying to configure the KeepAliveTimeout for a specific virtualdomain on an apache. the documentation says it's possible, but empirical evidence suggests otherwise…
I set the timeout down to 2 seconds, but in the /server-status/ page it's still showing all Ks and the SS column is counting up to 15 before dropping the connection
I mean, it would make sense that it's not possible, but the documentation suggests it is
anyone know one way or the other? :|

it is possible, lets see a snapshot of your server-status that seems to indicate other wise
something must be up
apc

apc is Try using http://apache.pastebin.ca - It's a good pastebin, and is even set up to highlight Apache 'stuff'. or Alternative PHP Cache and does what php refuses to do: Optimize your PHP code. http://pecl.php.net/package/APC

Hi, I'm having trouble with loading of the php5 module and the error log doesn't say anything. Any advice?

k, one second

what distro are you using, exactly?

I just got Apache 2.2.4-win32-x86

use xampp
xampp

xampp is XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl found at http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html. We can't support it very well, as it does things we cannot know for sure

I don't need MySQL and Perl, I have that installed separatly.

setting up php on win32 is a PITA

http://rafb.net/p/SeNOC651.html

Which means?

unless you plan n spending hours on this issue, install xampp
pita = pain in the ass

oh, oops, didn't realize you guys had a preferred pastesite

Well, I'd like to at least try before falling back on premade stuff (I hate to use pre-packaged stuff).

pita

pita is a pain in the adaptr

seeing as our win32 knowledge is very limited (we barely know how to work it), your options are limited.

no problem, any will do
are any of the requests large enough that they might take 10 seconds to complete?

is there a reason why there is no sign of error in the error.log? Or am I just missing something.

I have a directory where I keep all my sites, all sites are named the name of the domain blah.tld I have been doing a seperate apache config for each site however thats becoming a pain and they are all the same really, is there a way to just have apache automatically apply some configuration for each folder?

that hugely depends on how you enabled the module.
php

is a scripting 'language' that is enabled by loading mod_php and by adding 'AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php' or you can look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload

use an include.
include

include is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#include and can take a file, directory, or shell wildcard as an argument.

yeah thats what I do, I dont want to have an include for each site though

I used "LoadModule php5_module c:/php/php5apache.dll".

is there a way to use a wildcard or something in the config?

and what problem do you observe

ok. Now enable it.

that I would only have to create the folder, and then id be good

the apache service cannot start.
What do you mean by enabling it?

and what does the error log say, exactly?

did you check the event viewer?

php

is a scripting 'language' that is enabled by loading mod_php and by adding 'AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php' or you can look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload

read that.

which event viewer?

the windows event viewer

this page only tells if the apache server is started.

the one which has all the windows errors in it, theoretically.

that page tells you how to enable the php module, not load it.

I could make a script that would go and poll the directory every few mins or something and add/remove based on what it sees, but that seems kind of silly, I would imagine there would be a way in the apache config to just enable some wildcard to get the hosting done. having lots of sites seems like a fairly common thing, isnt there a way to limit the amount of flat file editing?

mod_macro
there are also some mass vhost convenience stuff

mod_macro

mod_macro is an Apache module written by Fabien Coelho that lets you define and use macros in the Apache configuration file. or http://www.cri.ensmp.fr/~coelho/mod_macro/

mass vhost

mass vhost is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/mass.html http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/vhosts/mass.html http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_vhost_dbi/

happy reading

hmm thanks

you can do wild-card includes

yeah thats what I do now

but then you need to define new directory blocks within those include files
it defeats the purpose

yup

the mass vhosting solution works if your configs are quite limited
but that's pretty common

yeah they are

the other solution is to build the vhost configs at startup using mod_perl
there are examples in the mod_perl cookbook, i believe

they're all 404s actually
but prior to that they were small gif files
so no, definitely not taking 10+ seconds to run

the log tell me: "httpd.exe: Syntax error on line 115 of C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache2.2/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache2.2/php5apache2.dll into server: The specified module could not be found."

did you put double quotes around that path?
i.e. "C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache2.2/php5apache2.dll"

no, lemme try.
nope, doesn't help.

does that file exist, Sefyroth ?

module != file

Yes, it does.

errrrm.
misread again

does it mean that the file does not contain the right code or whatever?

iirc, that can also mean that the .dll has unresolved dependencies

Oh.

but i think the canonical meaning is that it doesn't contain the desired symbol
googling the error message might help
i have the vague memory of that happening if php and apache are built with different vc versions

I didn't build either

this is why you should have installed xampp 15 minutes ago.

I'd love to be on a *nix system, but my home pc is windows and I like it that way.

vmware?

vmware is what's been causing me these random partition corruptions…

fajita, so that's your excuse?

pseudo-user on a pseudo-terminal

ssshh.

i'm not following you…

Got it working.

cool! what did you do?

I googled and it told me to get a new file and add a PHPIniDir C:/php to the conf file.
And copy paste a httpd.exe.manifest file in the bin folder of Apache.

PHPIniDir

excuse me?

ah, right, a manifest. that makes sense

What is a manifest anyway if I might ask?

in general terms, it's a list of included things

sorry, had to step away for a minute.

more specifically, it contains information windows needs to properly link dll's

Oh.
Damnit, now the Apache HTTP Server encounters a problem and needs to close

me too, heh
this is apache 2.0.x
if that makes any difference

cool was just about to ask

and no, we can't just upgrade to 2.2

what does the error log say, exactly?

heh, that's alright server I am comparing your's to right now is also 2.0.x

kk

Faulting application httpd.exe, version 2.2.4.0, faulting module php5ts.dll, version 5.2.3.3, fault address 0×00099ec5.

im thinking give me a bit to digest this more

kk

hey all, been hacked but can't figure out how they do it can anyone help…thx

sounds like a faulty php module.

this is what i get in my apache log…http://pastebin.org/905

check ftp logs.

it does it when I try to load the page with a browser and the page is a .php

i've blocked the ip's, all ports but 80 and 25 are closed…

how did you enable the php module, exactly?

that's some sort of link error, i think.

what makes you think that this log entry indicated you've been hacked?

how does that apache log make you think you were hacked? looks like someone mistakenly requested a media.fastclick.net url from your host

it's bots probing for open proxies
thumbs–

we get about 5 requests per seconds…

hey!!

it's been going on for 4 days…

btw, that's also the only place in the config file where the KeepAliveTimeout is specified, and we aren't explicitly enabling keepalive

that log entry says your server is returning 403
403

403 is Forbidden or don't forget to look in the error log

so that's appropriate.

feeling mean today?

we've block all request from the ip today

you might be under attack, but it doesn't look like you're compromised
that makes sense
did you check the referer page?

thumbs, p***ed off

well it changes for every request…

show us some more requests

then I apologise.

are they all from the same IP?

ok, good info. I'm still trying to work this out. I see some of the same behviour in some of our servers.

coo, thanks!

updated with more log info http://pastebin.org/906

Hmm no I dont, my eyes were off by a line

aight, no worries. I'll play around with it some more later

you stopped/started after the keepalivetimeout change right?

yes
i've got a few thousand apaches I can play with for testing purposes

here is the error log on debug http://pastebin.org/907

hmm, have to figure this out. Will bug me forever.

haha, ok :P

everything, and I mean everything, is denied

well I gotta jet for a little bit. company basketball game, heh

they is a couple of ip used all originating from china

if anything, you should be glad.

np, I'll dig into this and see how/why it could be happening
have fun

we block the requests today but they were going for the last 4 days and would like to know how they do it…

i'll poke around with it some more later as well. if you figure it out drop me a message
thanks!

will do

they don't do anything, tomwaits
they're probing for an open proxy.

use a lot of bandwidth and slow down the serving of our webpages…

then firewall them off.

something tells me someone somewhere pointed media.fastclick.net at your IP address

and they're badly broken

you might contact fastclick to see if maybe it was a misconfiguration of their dns

JeremyK, nope, those are proxy requests

we've just done that… we were thinking it might be a way to increase ad revenue by increasing click through…
is that possilble…

what?

is they all from the same IP?

those are not clicks

no, but they might be some bug

in fact, they're wouldn't even access your site, if they succeeded.

they come from a few different ips…

that fact is irrelevant.

a way to increase ad revenue
an attempt, i should say

tomwaits, are you 72.29.87.39 ?

no…

9, shouldn't be doing this. misread your

just want to add they all originate from china…
and we've not been able to identify exact origin…

the solution is simple: firewall off all the offending IP addresses.
an/or contact the admins of the compromised machines

will do that..
is there a way to firewall all ip's originating from one country?

arguing over the potential income they could have made if they succeeded is not productive

as with geoip on apache

yes, but china is a big country

nope. and it would be dumb. but yes, there is a geoip module
unope. and it would be dumb. but yes, there is a geoip module/u

just as info
already using geoip…but would like to know how to do for firewall..
dumb? depends on you needs and use…
have another question… we have a few php-cgi proc running… but we haven't launched any php script…

apache does not start when the computer does!
how do I remedy this?

by getting a clue?
muhahaha
init.d mebbe?
heh heh… /ignored ftw!
go help your girlfriend :P

:o

heh

hey, we all love DARKGirl

makes helping her out all the more fun

megaspaz

megaspaz is wrong

help

Hi, what can we do for you today?

uhoh
what seems to be the issue?

Jesse408:

is there any special way in which Apache calls the cgi script?

:-/

i'm using apache mod_proxy to be a reverse proxy for an ajaxy website
when i load the ajaxy website directly, it loads in 30 seconds
via reverse proxy, 80 seconds
and this is for clients that are all on the same switch

..
i've never done a reverse proxy on an ajax site
perhaps chipig has some tips… they do some reverse proxying over where he works
with ajaxy stuff
summon chipig

CHIPIG CHIPIG CHIPIG CHIPIG CHIPIG CHIPIG CHIPIG COME TO ME!!!!!!

oh man

heh

…..
….

can you tell exactly what requests are taking the most time?

hmm

sorry… you got any tips for using mod_proxy in front of ajaxy stuff?

is there any way to disable proxy buffering?

or have you looke dto see I guess, you can tell if you look.

how are you measuring loading time?
is this in firefox? Do you have firebug?

well the page loads and then a bunch of things load inside the page

right

hard to describe without showing

do you have firebug?

so i'm timing the point that i start loading to the point that all the content items load
yah i have firebug

is there a specific request taking a long time?

hmm
will firebug tell me that?
i just got it today

look under the network tab

wireshark will tell you, if firebug doesnt.

'Net'

ahh
let me read this stuff
well here is my analysis of the probglem
the client needs to load 204 items in order to get all the content

doesn't that strike you as excessive?

client opens like 50 connections to the server and the target server will answer every request all at once

(204 times)

the proxy is feeding the requests to the target like 5 at a time and not 50 at a time

no, it will open 2-4, depending on keep alive connection settings.

it is excessive but our product is just like that…

all browsers have a built in limit

is there any way to get the proxy to open much more connections to the target?

2 connections to a single server
what is the target server btw? also apache?

no
its the aol server
not aol aol
aol web server

right, yeah, the TCL thing.

..

yea that thing

okay, lets start.. simple.
is there anything obvious in firebug?
like do all requests take in general 2x as long
or is there a small number that take signifigantly longer?

they all take a lot longer
3 times as long
almost exactly

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