"It wasn't being used any more." The boss replies

I can use ethtool to set them to 1000baseT but then I get interesting results

so now to install xfce i can just type emerge xfce? i noticed the text seems all big and ugly like in dos so i think its missing something w/ my video card

I thought it would be something like that. On debian its /etc/iftab

Miravlix, tell me where that is told in the handbook ?

it's xfce4
=P

I can transfer at about 40MB/s for about 5 seconds, until the speed crashes to about 500kb/s

AngusTheFuzz, strange :/

k ty
will it get x11 or w/e i need too automadicly?

no

Learning to config a kernel is complicated, so to make it simply genkernel all default to kitchen sink mode

yeah.. its a handy feature imo, but if you always want eth0 to be your first nic, its gotta be reset.

it will only get the headers

You might as well ask where is the kernel howto

Miravlix, yes and as a result most genkernel users (99%) never added the –menuconfig

run 'emerge xorg-x11' to install the full X11

Thats what people need to learn

yah its great…you just gotta know about it.

and they can learn that just as well with genkernel

Miravlix, fully agree, but the handbook uses genkernel as a shortcut, but too short

hello I want to format my hardware raid 5 80GB… I run fdisk /dev/sdb What format should i use ext2? This will be mainly for mysql database

hee hee this is so cool. stuff is working

Miravlix, just my opinion, did not intend to start any wat

Miravlix: genkernel is a choice, just like any other. there's disadvantages to each. regardless, no point in arguing more about it here.

*war

I have never rain fdisk on hardware raid before..i dont want to mess it up

there is no disadvantage to genkernel, thats bull

ran*

you want a journal.. ext3 at minimum

could I have a little question in vsftpd.conf topic?

Miravlix, yes and no, there is in not doing that –menuconfig

And I feel it's highly inappropiate to start a FUD war against genkernel

bbrooks i am pretty new myself but what i did was used fdisk to delete all the old partitions and make new 1s. then i ran mke2fs -j to format it to ext3

xfs isn't good for databases.. and i dont trust reiser.. so, probably ext3
do you have any very fast storage? if so, you might want to try to relocate the journal onto that.

cool! thanks

is there an easy way to transfer my chrooted environment to another shell?

yeah its a fast storage..scsi

how to create a NTFS file system under gentoo ?

nono, i mean faster than the raid5

there's a daily portage update

run the shell executable

in the last period

like a solid-state disk or battery-backed-ramdrive or something

ahh no I don't

ah ok

i wish compilling had a progress bar

ext3 will do

!quit thx

Personally I agree with starting your first boot with something close to a LiveCD kernel and keeping that around as a backup kernel, while you try to learn how to make a custom kernel.

Thms, create a new partiton with fdisk using ntfs type (7).
NieXS, I need more info than that. I'm a newb.

wee gentoo 3

i dont know enough about hardware to check this pc to what all hardware it has, what its compadible with, etc to do my own kernel config

Still cant choose a distro…

lspci?

matt271, you can just tick a lot of stuff and it will work.
Then you takes tiny bits out later.

read the handbook, if you think you want to install gentoo after that, go for it.

and you go on and on and on
untill it's small
hey _AxS_

lol that would take ages

fixed the problem
matt271, it does

If you don't have a clue yet, it's better to start with kitchen sink kernels made my experinced people.

your very first kernel will probably take an hour or so to configure, yeah.

matt271, lspci + pen + paper

…or more

wow

and several days to get it right
hahaaha

there's a lot of reading. '?' is your friend

kernel configuration is like anything else in linux. lots of reading.

nah, probably two attempts.. a good 4 hours and you'll have one that works

i havnt read much so far. just the gentoo hand book. when i was playing w/ sabayon i didnt read crap

I need to transfer my chrooted environment to another shell. Is there an easy way to do that?

what do you mean by 'transfer' ?

qemu have problem to run 64bits linux kernels?

_AxS_, getting the working one is easy. It's the tweakin that's the hard part (well….not hard…just takes time"

in one shell you chrooted, now you want to switch to another? no. just chroot again in the other one

_AxS_, well, ok. I just wanted to avoid some typing

hey guys

_AxS_, and I fixed the X problem. ICEautority gave problem. I run startx as root once so that might have been the problem. Running Xfce4 now in compiz-fusion so things are good

i accidentaly set my boot partition to 500MB on instead of 64M

sweet

is there a way to fix that after installing the whole system?

np2, good. Then you can have a gazillion kernels at once

it's sda1 and i already have sda3 with a few gigas

make sda2 bigger

not really.. you can _try_ and repartition using gparted or something, but.. i wouldn't bother tbh.

np2, not easily.. maybe with a gparted livecd

np2, backup the kernels you are using and repartition the partition with fdisk

you mean, boot from the live cd

It's easy enough to shrink the boot partition, but what are you going to do with the spare space?

np2, yes

remove sda1 and sda2
and then rebuild them

np2, either that or if you wanted to extend sda3 you really do need the gparted cd

Do you have room to move the data on sda1 and sda2 elsewhere?

when i was on sabayon i dont think there even was a boot partition the /boot was on the main os partition

yes

lots of ppl run like that in gentoo too (me, for instance)

yes, well, gentoo isn't sabayon.

i have a lot of space yet

Go for it then, it shouldn't be much trouble then

but it's assinged to sda3, my / partition

matt271, it is still optional of course.. but nice to have to keep things sane

man
this thing is fucked up
i have just noticed

language

is it possible to configure gentoo to use a nokia phone for mobile internet access ?

my swap is 8gb
sorry
what the heck did i do????

bluetooth-enabled? yes apparently it is.. check gentoo-wiki.com for a howto

the amd64 manual doesn't have anything about shm/proc in their example fstab.conf? Is that obsolete or something?

man

sounds like you had an interesting time when you partitioned this

np2, must not have noticed. the only way to fix it is from gparted CD

thanks

how about through data cable ?

why not delete both and make a fourth partition in between?

i'm pretty sure the current baselayout mounts shm and proc itself, and doesn't care if it's in fstab or not.

no idea there.. YMMV with usb support for that

i guess i forgot to add the M to the end of the size of the partition and fdisk made them as 64 and 1024 cylinders

that would do it. so you just have 3 partitions?

yes, i have 3 partitions, and the first two are messed up

Skunky, ok ok, I'll have to hope you're right

it aches, it's been three days of compiling and setting up, and when i'm about to finish
this happens

easily handled. copy everything in /boot to sime dir in /, then kill the first two partitions, and make 3 partitions.
s/sime/some/

hmm im getting errors now Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table

so that things look 'normal' you probably want to make partition 2 be an 'extended' partition

bbrooks, /dev/sdb1 is not a disk.. /dev/sdb is

sdb1 is a partition. check /dev/sdb (the drive)

you fed it a partition, partitions don't have partition tables.

unless you really want to be trickky

whoops wrong output Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table

what about the gparted cd? can i erase the two broken partitions, merge part of the space to sda3 and redo the first two?

Would I need gtk, gnome and kde support for IceWM + Compiz/XGL? I want a pretty basic WM, but with a nice look to it (that's why I want XGL or compiz)

Anyone that wants to help out making sure a new Linux game runs on Gentoo Distributions, check out http://betas.linuxgamepublishing.com/ and sign up for there X3 beta.

what is sdb ?

my raid 5
_AxS_ my hardware raid 5 volume

you can try, yep. i don't trust partition-resizers myself so you do have a good chance that it's going to fail

_AxS_ i just formated with ext3

Hi

how did you format it if it has no partition table?

ok

if it fails, you're starting from scratch.

when starting a mail server, are there any guides on how to open up the appropriate ports?

is x11 normally 150 packages?

personally, i'd just use the new space as another partition, and mount it someplace (say, /usr/portage, or /var, or something)

i never set use tags yet im worried its installing kde or something too

yep.. they're all small

bbrooks, raid 5s are never /dev/sd*.. they are /dev/md* usually (or /dev/mapper/* for dmraid)

_AxS_ hmm when I went back into fdisk..no partitions are there

I use lvms and ext2 ext3 partitions, resizing works quite well there

x11 is big

kde needs xorg, xorg doesn't need kde

matt271, most of them are fast.. but… I suspect you get more then just xorg, probably gnome too or kde

bbrooks, whoops

keymaps, should Swedes use sv-latin1 or se-lat6?

bbrooks, unless it really is scsi raid

thanks

you set your VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES in make.conf right?

yeah its scsi raid 5

_AxS_, do all WM's need xorg?

you can do the resize with lvm tools in that case cant u?

_AxS_ no?

if you want to run them locally, yes.

hello, wanted to ask weather it's possible to get windows-like fonts? cause the fonts look so very sharp and the websites look kinda odd

otherwise they'll just grab the libs

bbrooks, does `fdisk -l` show the device ok?

It's a 3 part step, first lvms resize, then fsck then resize2fs

sv-latin1 is what i use

Ehnvis, tack

you want to do that, so you don't grab drivers for all kinds of things you wont use.
what's your video card?

I think lvm can call fsck and resize for you, but it wasn't working in some lvm I tried a year ago

right. so no need for gparted

I created my partition /dev/sdb1 1 17816 143106988+ 83 Linux

exty, is media-fonts/corefonts what you are after?

_AxS_, do graphical apps need WM's?

dunno havnt took this comp apart to check

not usually, but if they're X11 apps then they need Xorg. they could use framebuffer tho

Leth001, course they do

No, but they might need extra jazz that the WM comes with, like gtk or KDE stuff

check gentoo-wiki.com and search for xorg and fonts

oh i know what I did

they need X at least

matt271, it's usually not necessary to take it apart to tell.. `lspci` will show you a video card

matt271, lspci ? assuming its pci

You can run wine fine without a WDM for example

psymin, I don't know tbh, I'm not on my gentoo box, just searching for some kind of recommendations on smooth looking fonts, cause the default ones I see with kde on don't look so good

Miravlix, _AxS_, does that mean that WM's need gtk and kde libraries?

why not take a look at some and see what their dependencies are

Gnomes WM need Gnome libraries and KDE need KDE Libraries, xfce doesn't need Gnome/KDE libraries

and xfce4 is nice (

Miravlix, I just want a basic wm. Like blackbox or IceWM, kde and gnome is too fat

fluxbox ?

try Xfce4 Leth001

xfce4 IS nice

really small , fast , but still a lot of options

_AxS_, will I be able to run XGL/Compiz on fluxbox?

that and Compiz-fusion and you'll be rocking

no idea. i would asume so

why not?
Suppose it will work.

I guess Gnome and KDE's feature richness could be seen as FAT, but it does seem a bit unfair to claim edlin is better than nano because it's smaller

i can't see what xgl/compiz would actually do to/for fluxbox though.

Leth001 you will imo flux creates the windows and emerald manages it

_AxS_, the expose function for example.

FVWM is clearly the best, but it takes some configuring.

ok, so enough with the WM debates…

Miravlix, actually with the new split kde packages I'm starting to like it, no .. shit .. which used to come when u emerged it, now I can get clean simple kde

anyone looking for gentoo help?

timmy_boy, could you give me a link to FVWM (screenshots etc)

ok I am gettin really scared right now

Hmm? Your talking about the KDE Bundle, not just the KDWin?

whyso?

still no gmail-smtp capable sylpheed in portage?

ok all people forget that. Fluxbox it is.

let's step back — first off, what raid controller do you have?

Miravlix I'm talking about the basic kde desktop, just to start it

KDWin is what you compare Xfce4 to

I am under my new /dev/sdb1 and I see my gentoo system

Or gnome-session
All the other jazz is extras

gnome's WM is metacity =P

Miravlix the WHOLE kde is something that has useless:useful ratio 5:1

its a perc 4

huh? xfwm4 is something you would compare with kwin..

what module does that use in the kernel?

I think fluxbox looks nice. The more basic it is the better imo

you want basic, try FVWM

8.0 RAID bus controller: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID controller 4/Di (rev

Yes, xfce, twm, fwm and all those is bare bone window mangers, just like Kwin, gnome-session is the bare bone Gnome/KDE window manager

ok, so how do you know that your system is even using it?

Leth001, twm

xfce is not window manager..

Gnome's wm is metacity

NeddySeagoon, why TWM instead of FVWM or fluxbox?

i mean, you gotta have a driver for it in lsmod or something..

xfce is a full blown desktop environment with calendar, text editor, mixer, etc. xfwm4 is it's window manager.

I'm partitioning my drive for a new gentoo installation and plan to have partitions for /boot, swap, and /. Is there any performance reason swap shouldn't be placed at the end of the disk?
I want to place swap there so I have control to delete the current swap partition, resize the main partition, and recreate the swap partition with a new size.

anyone know of a usb external dvd-rw that works with linux?

OH!! megaraid_box

mine sucks

I'd guess all of them will

swap is better if added to the front of the drive on another drive.

….i believe things are faster or more quickly accessed when they are in the center of the disk.

the one I have doesnt

does it recognize the device at all?

gets a sg0 device
but doesn't write dvd's or cd's

but doesn't work

xcdroast recognizes it

crappy

sg0 is scsi-generic.

aye

you can't use that as a drive. you need 'sr0' or something

_AxS_, do you mean it's physically faster because of the distance the "pin" has to travel?

yea thats what I ment

I am trying to install phpmyadmin but webapp-config keeps giving me an error that apache is not installed and to install apache 1.3. This is a clean install of gentoo from minimal CD on an amd64 platform. I did try emerge –sync then emerge -av webapp-config but it did not fix it.

yeah.. the heads are more likely to have to travel less, as they never have to span the whole drive

Leth001, correct

is apache emerged?

is there any text editor like textmate for linux? something that can open a directory recursivly?

vi?

ok im not soo worried yet… I see my sda1 and sda3 and everything looks in tact… but when I look at /sdb1..it has everything that /sda3 has

_AxS_: Thank you. I wonder if I should really be worrying so much about swap. If I have 2GB of RAM, how much will swap actually affect performance, assuming I'm doing lots of compilation? I have an AMD64×2 CPU.. also

for ech in `find`; do [your-editor-here] $ech; done

whumbl, that depends on what you use the machine for….

whumbl, I asked about just that yesterday. more than 512 should be enough.

if you're gonna do video encoding, playing with 2d/3d images then swap would be good.

it sounds like you're accessing each drive individually or something

Leth001, depends, if you plan to make it a virtual server.. it may not be

check dmesg and see how things are defined… 'dmesg |grep -C 3 -i megaraid' should show something.

Thanks for the help, guys.

yes apache 2 is installed and phpinfo test page works properly

whumbl, consider swapping to file if it matters so much

all depends on your load. i'm still of the oldschool mindset that you want as much swap as you have ram.

Leth001, Well I use twm, I don't know the others

oh I know what I did… i put in fstab /dev/sdb1 / lol whoops

what's the best way to run a command on boot? Other than a cron job

what webapp-config version you using?

I don't think thats ever been true even on windows.

/etc/conf.d/local.start

…that wouldn't do anything unless /dev/sdb _is_ your gentoo

thanks likewhoa

used to be recommended to have 2xRAM as your swap.

you crazy window manager user,.. twm is so tiny

well my /dev/sda3 is /

that's what i recommend.

likewhoa it is the latest stable as of today, i will have to look up the version

it shouldn't be asking for ol apache-1.3 really.

That was when we counted memory in M's

now how do i setup fstab /dev/sdb1 to come up as an empty volume

likewhoa, I use it with VMC on remote boxes that don't have much bandwidth

what's wanting apache-1?

when is the last time you did an emerge –sync ?

likewhao I belive it is the same issue that is posted here http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-573393-highlight-webappconfig.html I have tried waht they suggested but it did not work, I am wondering if it is because I am on amd64

that's what I decided to do in this case, and hope it works out well. I'm planning to run a number of small VMs on this server but don't want to worry about adding a separate disk for swap… So, we'll see

The swap system in a 2.6 kernel doesn't depend on memory in your system

apache1 is either masked or removed from portage, gentoo decided to stop supporting it

it's not, because i use amd64

I ran emerge –sync about 20mins ago

likewhoa, I recall a time when thats all there was too ..

fstab is just mount points. that's the point, it doesnt have anything to do with what is actually on the partition

heh me too then i tried fvwm and stayed there.

What does it depend on?

I just installed gentoo on this pc yesterday

I honestly can't remember the 1.x or 2.4 kernels swap system

it didn't before either, afaik..
that was the _guide_..

Windows swap actually had some memory to swap nonsense

no idea bout windows..

1sec

I think thats where most people get there confusion from

likewhoa the webapp-config version I am using is 1.50.15

Having xRAM swap made sense with windows swap

does anybody know how to rip a cd into one single track with linux? thanks

makes sense here too.

data or audio?

cdparanoia

dd ?

only audio cds have tracks.

depends if he means data or audio

likewhoa, also tried that, wasnt able to figure out how do you know how?

Hi all

yeah I mean audio cd

I have a question

not true.. well, we could be talking semantics

dd for data, cdparanoia for audio. not sure if it has an option for that

I am installing gentoo on Athlon64 based computer but i need 32 bit environment

I have 1 GB on my Workstation and 1 GB on my server, but I could get away with 1 MB swap on both, it's never used, if it's used my machine stalls because something has spun out of control

….and?

what are the access rights to /usr/portage/distfiles by default?

_AlexTAI_ is that a question?

in Gentoo wiki I found save cflags where it is -march=k8
is this ok?

_AlexTAI_ yes

you mean for your i686 install? yeah afaik its fine

will it produce 64 or 32 bit code?
yes - for i686

if you're working with raw data you need alot of swap. doing 3d modeling and or video encoding eats up alot of ram/swap

_AlexTAI_ that is 64bit if I remember correctly

i agree

: Direct-Access MegaRAID LD1 RAID5 39756R 2.27 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 SCSI device sdb: 286220288 512-byte hdwr sectors (146545

thas is confusing me also

1

this is the exact error I get when webapp-config tries to install phpmyadmin to localhost –* Fatal error: Your configuration file sets the server type "Apache"* Fatal error: but the corresponding package does not seem to be installed!* Fatal error: Please "emerge =net-www/apache-1.3" or correct your settings.* Fatal error(s) - aborting

but I relay on gentoo wiki

sion_, okay..

i have 6GB of swap and when working with MAYA, my 2GB of RAM get eating and about 3GB of SWAP are too

I broke something T_T

hi all

one sec.

another question - what type of CPU I should choose in kernel?

ok

can i get you to rafb.net/paste that so that i can see how that's split across different lines?

anyone knowa ubunto?

hey, i've hit swap on my 2gig system just from gimp.

_AlexTAI_ imo it's got nothing to do with 32/64, it just wants ur processor, if u got a 64bit cpu and running a 32bit system, I think you should still go k8, guessing it only wants ur cpu

yea, i have two when i tried to opened 30 3000x images..

DuClare, unbreak then

not sure how

http://pastebin.com/d4ec5467a

i think there's actually an 'athlon64' option that might be better to use.

_AlexTAI_ but don't trust me, that's only a guess

hi, i just found a directory named /portage/portage containing what seems to be like /usr/portage, i guess it isn't used and i can remove it safely ?

oh i think I just need to mount /dev/sdb1 /media/storage ?

will it create 32 or 64 bit kernel?

_AxS_ ain't k8 and athlon64 the same/
?

http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/archive/

DuClare, ask to channel being specific, there is plenty people here that may know

listen..

on an amd64 arch, yes. dunno about on i686

_AlexTAI_, theres an entire install manuall specificall for athlon 64s on gentoo.org

he needs a 32bit enviromnent. he's not installing amd64

setting it to i686 forces 32bit AxS

listening

sion_, I'll first see if I can sort it on my own

set it to an athlonxp

the question is whether using -march=k8 is valid on a i686 install

wow, this is funny. Check out the email I got from a company after opting out of email. http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~hays/jcpenny.html

or i686 for 32

yep - for 64 bit environment

1 sec ill check my make.conf

c0rtx his cpu is 64bit, his install is 32bit

what phpmyadmin version you running?

im runnin an athlon64
in 32bit

why?

trying to install it clean 2.10.1

hays, its funny but it does not belong here

because unless your doing rendering or high end physics calculations

that's the version you got?

c0rtx, try 64bit for a change. you might notice the speed difference.

that 64 bit isnt gonna give me the speed increase to be worth the hastle
ive used 64bit

for using ubuntu 32bit or windows 32bit I understand… But gentoo in 32bit on 64bit cpu Oo odd

yea but 64bit is the future.

i switched back

64bit handles memory better ,u have 1g ram?

yes that is the version that when I do a emerge -av phpmyadmin it shows a status of R for rebuild

yes it is, but the software just doesnt support it yet
see how much is masked under ~amd64

i have over 800 packages installed on amd64, no problems here.

negative ive got 512

c0rtx u know u can install em unmasked

who saids ~arch is none workable?

ah, yes for you, stay 32bit.

anyone here running vmware-server on gentoo?

i do
but i dont like unstable systems

Kaffien, I am

understood

c0rtx, yes I agree with you there. I would probably do 32bit myself. If you have more than 3gb ram then you must have 64bit to use it I think

i cant seem to compile it

what would you suggest I mount that drive at?
im sorry..volume

Kaffien, will need to be more specific then that

i'm still looking…

theres away around the 32 bit in 64 though

i keep getting a strange jobserver not available msg brb

if u wanna make a secondary gentoo install and chroot it
into a 32bit env

I have installed phpmyadmin on about 10 other gentoo boxes this way and never encountered this before. The last box I just set up was about 3 weeks ago and that went fine.

do a qlist webapp-config

so what is your CHOST?

ok, so sda is a raid1, sdb is the raid5 — for sure?

ok want me to pastebin the output?

and CFLAGS?

_AxS_ yup

if I set multiple locales, which ones are default?

let me get on my adm64 system that runs webapp-config, brb i'll try to reproduce

my chost is i686

yea

ok. so what do you want to use the raid5 for?

and what is in CFLAGS?

but realise u can prolly get more arch specific, i keep it at i686 cause ive got a bunch of diskless nodes

which arch you specified?

just for mysql database services database

so it keeps compatibility
athlonxp, or k8

well, _just_ the mysql database means you mount it to /var/lib/mysql
personally i would probably mount it to /var

hey i got a build error for cairo that says to emerge with the x use flag set
but i have a -X in my use

just choose the latest amd 32 bit processor

and which type of CPU in kernel?

should it be X and not -X ?

I will put k8 in cflags

ok the link is http://pastebin.com/d1607a734

thoraxe, re emerge cairo then

it is k7

whatever you are emerging needs 'X' for cairo

for the kernel i used athlonxp
nod

i was emerging gnome

btw it's working fine for me on an amd64 system.. with phpmyadmin 2.10.1

my question was whether use should be X or -X

well then having '-X' is pretty silly

does the - mean not?
ok
that's what i figured

my vmware emerge complete out put is at http://rafb.net/p/CGPQed21.html

thoraxe, it should be X

add 'X' to USE and then emerge -uDN world

any help much appreciated im trying to get a production vmware apache geronimo server hosting going

thanks much

np

i am just gonna re emerge gnome and then -uDN
?

anyone here have any experience with openpbs

im sure phpadmin works fine, I have a box that is identical to the one I am using now that has it installed and it works. I think the problem is deffinitly with webapp-config

Kaffien, no offense, you do not run a production vmware server other then ESX

whatever, it's a vmware, i can always blow it away

no, do -uDN first

oRLY?

i can't reproduce it..

yeah, it'll be less work in the long run

ok

odd i was just in here the other day and said that esx wasnt what i needed

it failed on cairo immediately anyway

its only going to be running 3 vm's

I have never done this…so if I do mount /dev/sdb /var whats this going to do to …im from windows lol im new at this

Whew. Got that .docx file converted. Wondering if there is a way to make that process more fluid for someone who just cares about word processing.

has someone already made it to take an audio cd with different tracks on it and create an continuous, seamless mp3 file from it? (with linux?)

does ESX support gentoo?

Kaffien, I never had that error… well esx may not be needed but it is well supported, the usual commercial deal

look at this link http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-573393-highlight-webappconfig.html

Kaffien, it does not

which means i'll have to use another distro

tracing.

I think they point the problem out in the second post

Kaffien, yes.. still, I run server fine here (non esx) so I am not sure whats wrong

check your apache.. emerge apache -pv

well first off you can't mount /dev/sdb to /var , you need to mount /dev/sdb1 (where partition 1 on /dev/sdb takes up the whole drive)

probably because im running 64bit

make sure it's the new one… www-servers/apache not net-www/apache

Kaffien, could be, 32 bit here

but what it does is make /var and everything in it be stored on /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sda3

oops yep thats what I meant

apache-2.0.58-r2 rebuild, I just installed apache about 5 hrs ago

i see can you post your make.conf

Kaffien, best host guess… forum post with specifics… I cannot solve this one

i think it may have something to do with that

says www-servers/apache

WOW that freaking easy!

almost yeah.

Kaffien, after the weekend is over, yes, the server runs at work

ohhh

before you can mount it, you'll need to move everything from the current /var to the new partition

ok i'll ask again then if i cant figure it out

which on a live filesystem is actually not pretty

_AxS_ ok

Kaffien, gentoo + vmware-server and it works like a charm, but.. its a test server, not sure I would run production on it (SLA's and all)

and you're running webapp-config -I -h localhost phpmyadmin 2.10.1?

_AxS_ so mount it to someting temp..until I move everything?

VMWARE

mind you, if mysql isn't installed yet then mounting it to /var/lib/mysql would be very easy and painless

we'll see thats why im setting up a test first

i am not installing phpmyadmin with the vhost flag enabled so webapp-config is running automatically at the end of the emerge phpmyadmin

Kaffien, check VirtualBox too or whats the name

i hate virtual box lol

hmmm yeah well mysql is already installed and has databases

it cant even boot up a gentoo install

Kaffien, same here, and xen

run it manually.

ah ok. what i'd suggest then is booting a livecd to do the copy.
or booting into maintenance mode (same thing pretty much)

that error is not coming from webapp-config.

_AxS_ cool! I understand… thanks for your help

err, what is the correct time zone for GMT+2? GMT-2? (in /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc)

no problem. BUT — before you start make sure that the raid array isn't letting you access each drive indivudually!
when you said sda and sdb are exactly the same that has be worried

run an strace on it please.

x11 is only on package 51 are the last 100 small or something?

no it was through kde gui….it came up when I added it to fstab

most are very small, yes

you got [———-] this much more longer to wait

ahhhh.. ok

I am looking in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/WebappConfig/server.py and in the class Apache(Basic) section it shows dep = '=net-www/apache-1.3

that makes more sense now

matt271, get a drink, do dishes, clean your room and you will be fine

that's wrong.. should file a bug.

just fyi, emerging gnome will take 4x longer than emerging xorg

im going to be a pro at this secure linux web hosting stuff one day…. hahaha

hey

or more

nothing should depend on net-www/apache

question folks. I unmasked wine ~x86 but should have probably unmasked wine ~amd64 since I'm on 64bit.

can I change it and recompile webapp-config?

Does it matter?

im not going to use gnome, im going to use xfce4

I am gonna paste bin it for you to see

just delete that dependency or change it to new apache.
no need to recompile..

doesnt matter — as long as you satisfy the keywords so portage will emerge it, you get it.

ah ok
good

keywords don't actually have anything to do with how the package is built

myzrael, still clean up after

they're just filters

anyone got a decent clue on how to 'convert' a svn repository without the trunk,tags,branches structure to one with this?

clean up after sion?

myzrael, I assume you use the files in /etc/portage ?

the place where you might have a problem is if ~amd64 wine is a different version than ~x86 wine (and the ~x86 one won't actually compile on amd64)

http://pastebin.com/d37694e8

uh…..yup
wine compiled fine here………

I would like to install gentoo on a computer that is connect to the router with a usb cable. I did modprobe usbnet and modprobe etc_ether but i don't know what to do after that when i do dhcpcd eth2 i reach the timout

good, no worries then

myzrael, then set the right thing there.. who knows how it changes in time

can anyone tell me why I can't mask a package? I need to get autoconf-2.6.0 installed instead of 2.6.1, making a pig's ear of it…

myzrael, after its done that is

it's done

what should I change that entry too? dep = '=www-servers/apache2 ?

At boot it detect eth0

they made a mistake and put old apache version. just switch it to apache-2.0

can't you just emerge =autoconf-2.6.0 ?

I need to change the net-www to www-servers right?

and if you can, file a bug report on this issue. thanks

lsusb is not reporting anything about usb network

ok

usb network?

BCMM, used ionice ? just curious

i tried putting =sys-devel/autoconf-2.6.1 into package.mask — seems to have no effect whatever, emerge -pv autoconf wants to use 2.6.1

sion_, What did you mean by cleaning up?
The package is already compiled

is it still saying that it will emerge it? or is it giving an error?

changing that to www-servers/apache-2.0 fixed it

it mean that should work but it seems it's not picking up that you have apache-2.0

the computer is connected ot the router using an usb cable i d'ont know how to say that

i'm just trying to install rubygems - and tripped over https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161566

sion_ means that you should fix it so package.keywords says ~amd64 instead of ~x86

myzrael, set the right flags in your package file for future emerges

it will not have any effect on things now but might in the future

_AxS_ — saya it will emerge it

= greater or equal, but it's not working so it's a bug on that package.

_AxS_, thanks

rafb.net/paste your package.mask and emerge output plz

oh
alright
thanks

it's not 2.6.1
it's 2.61

oh, that'd do it

myzrael, fool portage and eventually you will be a fool

Ah hah! Helps to have a brain…

i usually leave off the keyword on my package.keywords entries

tx all

Hi all. I've tried to emerge php with mysql support using 'USE="*- apache2 mysql sharedext" emerge -av php' and it seems to say that it's doing everything it should, but the mysql database services support does not seem to work. (I'm on PPC, if that matters for some reason) I enabled extension=mysql.so and it is in the extension dir. Am I missing something here?

just installed Portato by the way

I think the whole problem is that it is net-www instead of www-servers, so it has no idea where to even find apache2

really good app

it was net-www/apache-1.3 for you?

well, your use flags are probably messed if you specified on the command line like that

works fine ta

add them to make.conf or to /etc/portage/package.use as appropriate

yes, check that pastebin

i prefer cli

_AxS_ I tried that also, but it still did not work.

what webapp-config version you running?

(in make.conf)

likewhoa, could be. But it is really easy to look trough the packages if you don't know what to choose.

emerge -uDN have anything pending? oh btw, what's with the -* ?

does gentoo work well when "imaged"

_AxS_ I have no ide
a.

rr, the *- ?

like when it's imaged with Ghost

eix -C cat -c

get rid of it then, if you dont know what it does

teach alexwait stage4

No such faq

1.50.15 it is the stable package for amd64

It was suggested by a friend, for some reason

gentoo alexwait stage4

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/vps/stage4-howto.xml

likewhoa, I know but still
i'm off again though
eating

maybe I should go unstable?

1.50.16 doesn't get affected by this.

do you have apache2 installed?

you might get better advice on #gentoo-amd64

file a bug report on the stable version

ty for stage 4. had no idea!

and what is it you're emerging?

I have apache 2 installed and I have the problem fixed

no it's fixed, found a bug in stable webapp-config

It is a bug in webapp-config's server.py file

ah.

it's your webapp-config stable version which has the wrong apache package set as dependency.

it points to net-www/apache instead of www-servers/apache

file a bug report

yeah, file a bug and mod the ebuild yourself, should fix it

I will once I figure out how to first time for everything

danky, recent change, file it

Hi, if i use a use flag in make.conf that is only useable by one port, will it work? Such as plugins for thunar

i can file one if you want.

emerge -uDN does not seem to work?

emerge -uDN world , sorry

likewhoa; sure go for it, I am working and got a ton of other things to get done on this server now that I have webapp-config running

It just prints out the usage info.

huh?

Oh

actually, emerge -uDNpv world

aight

that was holding back from installing all my other vhosting packages

heh
glad it's fixed

thanks for the assistance

help the users in the forum.

A use flag, plugins, is only a use for thunar, can i put it in my make.conf as a global flag to use without problem

yes.

will do

I have usbnet and cdc_ether modules loaded. When i plug the usb cable dmesg say eth2 register cdc_ether at device …

if any other package adds that as a USE, it'll pick up on it later

if i do dhcpcd eth2 it fail

cool, so can you configure eth2 with ifconfig?

Gotcha, thanks.

Apparently a lot is pending. I'll have it run all of that and see what happens afterwards. Thank you for your time.

you can do individual things in /etc/portage/package.use … tho i generally use that to override whatever is in my make.conf or the default USE for the profile for just 1 or 2 things, most stuff I add to make.conf, cuz I'm like that. (:

np.. good luck

ifconfig is listing eth2, but i don't know what to do

ifconfig eth2 [ip address]

at the risk of sounding stupid, is there an aptitude-like (as in from debian) browser of available packages for emerge? One that dosen't require X?

then try and ping your router or whatever you're connecting to

Hazard, links to packages.gentoo.org ?

?

for browsing packages, http://packages.gentoo.org or eix are your two best options

no X, that kinda requires a webbrowser

Oh.

links -g

Tried to use my nick again.

hazard_, links to packages.gentoo.org ?

Heh.

sorry

Hazard, soz

No worries.

Oh….
heh
here

_Axs_ ok i can ping my router

I was already seated, so it's not like I ran over to check.

good. ok so apparently its just dhcp that is failing.

Hazard, tab lazy my mistake

_AxS_, I always used gentoo-portage.com. Nothing wrong with that one?

do you have an eth0 or an eth1 that is working?
same thing

but why i use the same router with this computer

Ah ok

I seem to have broken tab completion…somehow, but thus is the story of my life.

HazardX2, aside that, eix is nice

on the computer i try to set up there is an eth0 listed by ifconfig but this device is not configured

I'll try it

I do it too, I've no place to be getting my panties in a bunch over it.

HazardX2, but its not like aptitude

ok good. well, it could be that the device doesn't work well with the dhcp protocol.. i've seen that before

on the pc i use to chat i use eth0. both comp are connected to the same router

I don't need the installer or package manager part, I just want browsing with more descriptiveness than what emerge–search returns

dhcpcd eth2 fails outright or just takes a very long time to work?

fail, timeout

Hazard, eix I guess, its more like a search thing, not browse, but it works if you know what you remotely look for

hm.

I don't really (typically) I have an idea what it does though

Whenever I quit X.org, or switch to another VT while it is running I get a message on my monitor saying "Out of range"

I configured my router dhcp range from 2 ip 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2

Hi, I edited the kernel parameter at boot time (grub) so that the kernel (compiled with genkernel) had "init=/bin/sh". But it seems that the boot sequence the same as usual. Can someone tell me what's happening please?

..are both assigned someplace? dhcp isn't an exact science, the sever could say both are in use

tty well (or at all)

Yes - any idea why?

192.168.0.1 is used by this computer, i did ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.2 on the other one
but if can't use dhcp and usb connection it is not important cause the computer i am seeting up will be on a network using eth0 late ron

Damnit.. I've finally got everything working on my gentoo box… and now it's just boring.. can't wait for something to break.

how can I redirect some port to localhost interface ?

i just need acces to internet for gentoo installation

lxthekid, want a hand ? gimme ssh

hahaha

nope, sorry it might be worth trying to set your x11 config to use a "safe" resolution (that being anything basically unbearable and less than 1024×768), and see if it handles it then
if it doesn't go stupid (eg not worky), then it may just be some weird problem between the card and the display regarding that resolution/refresh
(but beyond that, I have no idea)

what i need now is dns server ip ?

and default route, probably
'route add default gw [router ip]'
and edit /etc/resolv.conf and add 'nameserver [router ip]'

does the new NTFS write support work properly?

new = …ntfs3g?

Leth001, no

I don't think so
(there you go:P)

Well ok, I'll keep it read only (NTFS windows)

Leth001, that _AxS_ said, seperate emerge but it works

Hey all, I just discovered sudo with the "offensive" use flag… is there any way to get that functionality when logging in or using just "su" (i.e. for any password prompt…)?

Leth001, (test)
oh goody
tab completeion works again (how I ever missed the "enable tab completion" option is beyond me.

HazardX2, nah. I don't want to mess with my NTFS partition through linux.. yet

HazardX2, in gentoo.. you need to enable it using `eselect bashcomp (options)`
HazardX2, at least for bash

Leth001, ntfs3g as _AxS_ said if you are ready to go beyond read

yeah, ntfs3g is smart enough to not let you do what it knows it can't do safely

what filesystem should I use for fast large storage (not really raid, but not a boot drive either)
(?)

HazardX2, file system war ftw

_AxS_, sion_, that's ok. I'm just configuring my kernel and saw that ntfs option. It's not a big deal really, I'll try ntfs3g sometime.

read some benchmark articles on different filesystems, pick the one you like the best

I've read some stuff on reiser 4 (and it makes itself sound impressive)

Leth001, you should, still, enabling read only for now in kernel should be fine
HazardX2, its unsupported in gentoo… for a reason

anyone here have any experience with openpbs

!list

eruhaor2, !list yourself

kinda walked off last time i asked i apologize

meh, ext3 seems to work fine

Would someone be willing to tell me what emerge/portage is doing when it says its "Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/3Q-2007"

i had to put the same adress i have on the first comp into resolv.conf

it's updating the portage tree and installed packages.. sometimes packages move or change names, etc…
but it works now?

_AxS_, not profile ?

HI I'm really exhausted from trying to get apache2 running , can someone help me fix this?

Whats not working, ironfoot495 ?

profile is part of the tree

yes

_AxS_, ah I always wonderred

Well when I try to call for the localhost it say connection denied.

paste bin your configs so we can see whats wrong

I had some trouble with eth0 and when I got it fixed apache2 stopped working.
ok

do you use dhcp to get your address? if yes, please paste your /etc/hosts somewhere

do you mind if i PM you to ask a couple more simple/noob questions

lxthekid:URL: http://rafb.net/p/Vvw8F589.html
ok

im having a bit of an issue, im in the middle of an installl and gmp-4.2.1-r1 wont compile.

why not?

you can, but i dont actually pay attention to pm. you can probably ask here

URL: http://rafb.net/p/Q8Ww5J92.html

can anyone recommend a simple and quick TFTP package?

so the apache2 service is starting fine with no errors? Are you running iptables?

tftp-hpa

aftp is alright

Skunky, thanks

is apache listening to localhost?

http://jb.net.nz/error

no I don't think so.

Skunky, what all has to be done to set it up? Just emerge, start service, and log in as user?

apache2 is not running?

well there's your problem. connect to your external ip address

tftp doesn't know anything about users.

anyone know whats up with pbs_server and pbs_sched not being installed when emerging openpbs-commin

look at his /etc/hosts… it's… not right.

openpbs-common is just for init scripts.
do you have the 'server' use flag specified to torque?

well emerging openpbs doesnt seem to work

could you walk me through the procedure please ?

and i doubt it, though it did install torque
just re emerge with server use flag?

http://[ip address of eth0]/

emerge gnome is stuck on an endless loop

Just installed gentoo. BUT when I reboot, sata_nv complains about it can't do something about xfer, retry in 5 secs, then NOTHING happens. Tried unplug all sata discs and now it works. What can I do? Please help!?

where in the httpd.conf file do I put that info _AxS_:

you don't, you connect using that url instead of http://localhost

link: warning: blahblahblah seems to be moved

you're using an unstable gcc to do an initial install. that's not generally a good idea.

oh

how do i find files that that don't match a specific users ID

localhost is 127.0.0.1, if apache isn't listening to 127.0.0.1 then you'll get the error

imma see if its that server use flag, thanks for the point in a new direction

Any attempt that I make to use emerge (be it emerge –help, or emerge –sync, or a more regular use of it) emerge automatically attempts to update portage, why is that?

Please help me, when I try to boot with my sata discs, my computer hangs when sata_nv is trying to do something, but it gets stuck. Works fine when I unplug them, but what to do? PLEASE?

"localhost" on your machine isn't gonna resolve correctly… your /etc/hosts is fubar

Just had G working all but eth1/eth2. Then went 2 "make menuconfig" to add 3Com cards and rebooted. Now even eth0 refuses 2 open so dead all around in the connectivity part. Can't pastebin and need help. No connect so can't even irssi.

link: warning: blahblahblah seems to be moved
emerge gnome

your portage is old.

ifconfig -a, do you see anything?

Yeah I noticed.. that hosts file is a bit of a mess

In what package is lspci?

http://www.192.168.7.104.com/ firefox says it can't find the server at this address

pciutils

no .com

Does anybody know if there is a command line tool for musicbrainz? I'm looking to use it for some scripting.

ifconfig -a, udev probably re-numbered your nic's

no .com
just the numbers

Yes but no IPs

how do i instruct gentoo to compile something in C rather than in C++?

have you done "/etc/init.d/apache2 start"

but when I ifconfig this eth0 does exist ??!!!

im building an ~ machine, and it made it through most of the emerge -e world before it hit that…. hmm i might just leave not rebuild it with the newer toolchain for now
–skip can be my friend

I have a problem with emerge gnome… it does some stuff, and then scrolls a bunch of messages: link: warning: blahblahblah seems to be moved

of course not, it doesn't exist. http://192.168.7.104/ should work

search for update-world in forums

I set "Processor Type" to k8 - meanwhile it works good

I have to have these hard, not assignable, how do I do that?

Skunky, does tftp-hpa run as a service? or….?

C is not C++. you can't just make something written in C++ be compiled "in C".

What can I do if booting with my sata discs borks the computer? It freezes

ok, but dhcpcd eth# (where # is one of the ones in that list) works or no?

any help?

its written in C

* ERROR: cannot start netmount as net.eth0~ could not start
cannot start apache2 as net.eth0~ could not start

i need to compile it
but emerge keeps giveing me the error "-Wstrict-prototypes" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++

what's the problem exactly?

look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent- stuff.

gcc file.c

If I can't fix this, I'm switching to Debian, so please somebody help

gcc [source] -o [output]

wait
nvm

that's where udev does it's thing. quite annoying.

fixed it self o.O

do you hvae '-Wstrict-prototypes' in CFLAGS?

nope

what are you compiling and how?

are you using c++ to compile it by mistale?

network question… while starting /etc/init.d/net.eth0, I get the error message "no loaded modules provide "default" (default_start)" - eth0 is created correct, but the default gateway isn't added, I have to add the route by hand. what's the problem?

vmware-modules

it does exist

emerge vmware-modules

how long does it take an average pc to emerge x11?
how can it be so big? is it not just a few images and some lines of code

good.
so you can access apache now?

hmm

no

his apache server can't even start

depends on hardware and use flags set.

cannot start netmount as net.eth0~ could not start

here is my make.conf http://rafb.net/p/3rIXxr36.html

maybe you need to fix your LAN first?

I'm really frustrated about all this I really need you all ???!!!!

I get a "clock skew" when #make the kernel, what to do? Have edited #date properly now

what do you mean, 'how can it be so big' ?

Hmm why do you have a net.eth0~ backup file?

oh, missed that

not me, it;s ironfoot495 problems.. mines all running good

n/m then

i dunno if i could cancel it, set use flags, then emerge it again

yeah my apache2 is really in bad shape??!!!

well this isn't a gentoo issue, so if you want better help, try #apache

what package is giving you that error?

vmware-modules

but we'll do what we can

hi all. i'm looking for someone with any mplayer h.264 1080p experience… i'm planning to upgrade my media center box soon and want to get some information on what sort of processor power I'll need for h.264 1080p

_AxS_, thanks, just saw it copying the files while finishing the emerge

ok I'll try it

kexec is support for loading different kernels when you have one loaded already?

so, anyone here on a P4 2.6Ghz or greater that can help me out?

cool

anything 1800Mhz and up, but dual-core would be nicer.

I'll go there and if no results I'll come back if you all don't mind.

well switching I suppose

im on a P d 2.8ghz

yea

I think it's a problem with your net.eth0 config

i think P d is just a doulcore P4

actually, not so much. I'm on a P4 1.8 right now and 720p is barely happening with all inloop filters off

yea

you said apache2 was working before you got the eth0 working wasnt it?

dualcore isn't going to help me, as far as i know, because the h.264 decoder that mplayer uses is not mutithreaded

gongloo, I use 1080p, but on a tricky setup, if you want real info, try mythtv-users (video geeks)

well i didn't say it would be faster.. you really want a good dual-core and atleast 2GB of ram for encoding to 1080p

only X or also gnome/kde?

i mean decoding, not encoding. encoding i can be patient about

s/likewhoa/matt271

eh

you mean the ML or the irc chan?

gongloo, irc

When I installed gentoo, something must have been *** with the time, as many files are modified tomorrow, in a year, 3 months ago, but actually just 2 hours ago. It complains alot about this. What to do?

vmware-modules gives me that error

the GPU handles the decoding.

is there a util to that cleans up /tmp on startup?

gongloo, as usual, be patient there too.. some are experts not all

which version?

absolutely not, unless you're on windows with purevideo or avivo

i've tried 15 and 13-r1
16 is masked

there's an option in rc i think

if you have information that proves otherwise i'd love to see it

15 and 13-r1

well then your cpu just can't handle it,.. is it skipping?

simple question I have QT3.3.8 and QT4.3.0 can I remove version 3 and rebuild my kde on QT4 ?

brb i need coffee … bad

of course it is

how much RAM you got?

i don't think so. kde is generally tied to a specific version of qt

evening folks, in twinview is it possible to have two seperate background images rather than a horrible sized one streched over different resolutions?

thank you Skunky was afraid of that but couldn't find any info about the subject

there was noone there !!!

anyone who knows anything about h.264 decoding knows that RAM is typically not the issue. the answer to your question is: enough.

not in twinview no. if you just did separate X on each screen though i think you can

no one were?

there was noone there??!!!

with an attitude like that, you're not likely to get much support here.

then you answered your own question, your cpu can't keep up with decoding.

yeah but then you get stuck with the not being able to drag windows accross problem

lxthekid:@ #apache

odd…
in #apache

yeah I know!!!

lol

back
mmmm coffee

well what's next (smile)

unwise … oh so very unwise
thats an idea

test

failed

you sound like you know what you're talking about but not really.

wow this chan has a lot of ppl in it
they must be like 90% idle

anyone here running linux on a thinkpad?

yea 50% are bots

probably lots of people

yes, also try #gentoo-laptop and thinkwiki.org

thinkwiki lol clever

what i'm trying to find out is not whether or not my cpu is able to keep up. i'm trying to find out what kind of power i'd need to have in order to keep up. perhaps you misunderstood my question.

did you look at my httpd.conf file??!!!

try #gentoo-apache too

ill phrase that more particularly, anyone currently here using gentoo on a thinkpad R60

obviously you need more cpu power don't you

or was that someone else??!!!

teach JonasNZ ask

Just ask, don't ask to ask, don't ask who's familiar. Don't ask if anyone knows about it. Just ask the question, it's the easiest way to get people to answer

ok on it

u dont even need to make it a qestuion. ex: every time i do this, that happens.

mzbotm, sometimes your to intelligent for your own good

yeah, i'm looking to upgrade. the old mobo i have in my current media center is only capable of doing 2.6ghz p4 at 400mhz fsb… i'm wondering if there's anything on the market right now that'll do software ffmpeg-based h264 decoding in 1080p in realtime

what is your system specs now?

your httpd.conf file is fine.. You said apache2 was working before you got your eth0 working right?

can someone help me with openvpn please. i set up a sme server and configured openvpn not to use certs but i cant configure my client not to use certs… any idea?

for the media center, p4 1.8 @ 400mhz fsb

i never knew media centers where so complicated. i have 1 from hp and it just came w/ win xp mce 2005 and it records tv and evertying in real time

it's about 6yrs old maybe?

..unfortunately no.. probalby yound have to configure openvpn to use certs.. :/

in other words, both your questions sucked, ask what you really wanna know, not what you think you need for somebody to be qualified to answer.

poor

time for an upgrade,.. if your video is skipping..

i'm not sure if there's any cpu on the market that can handle what i have to play though

i would go with a dual-core and pc2-800 RAM

…or get a different client?

went there I was the only one there.

great. thanks for your input

there sure is, just not a single core p4 at only 1800Mhz at 400Mhz fsb

you got proof?

you

i show 29 people there, maybe I typed it wrong? #gentoo-apache

likewhoa, its about bus speed more then cpu

oh ok

i mean, do you have proof that there's a cpu on the market that can handle h264 at 1080p via ffmpeg?

your httpd.conf file is fine.. You said apache2 was working before you got your eth0 working right?

yea, and 400Mhz not fast enough.

gongloo, I do dont ask specs, I use hardware encoding

i'm talking decoding
and that wouldn't be ffmpeg would it?

yea, i build systems for studios with dual-core opteron systems that deal with video encoding/decoding.

gongloo, nope, but I had no issues decoding

what hardware card?

myzrael is back for more !

sion_, hehe not really

in linux?

more of what?

likewhoa, not in store yet, samsung card

although my computer just crashed
X problem

what kind of work you do?

I went to a VT and back to X
black screen

and those studios would be using hardware for encoding/decoding obviously. and they clearly aren't using ffmpeg.

likewhoa, mostly being a slave

what log file should I check to figure out when/why my server powered off?

i hear that.

pr0n industry?

last crash?

_AxS_, I wish

try /var/log/messages to start, assuming you're using a syslogger that logs to that file.

last command.

_AxS_, spank that!
:P

likewhoa, product development at samsung

nice..

ohh, darn… nvm guys, my logger wasn't on for some reason :/
no wonder I was having trouble finding logging info… X-D

no hardware.. at all. mostly encoding with ffmpeg and rendering software i.e MAYA

so what is it exactly you're looking for?

lol antiNeo

should I enable QoS packet scheduling in the kernel?

your system is old, just upgrade allready

someone who can decode h264 in realtime using ffmpeg, so they can tell me what exact cpu they're using

no need unless you're gonna use it.

ahh

when you have exact figures, come back to me. otherwise, i don't want to hear it.

likewhoa, it's not going to enhance network stability and speed or smthn?

what's the specs on that card?

best bet will be google for that info

already tried. can't find any difinitive answers. most of the bencharks i see are coreavc on windows

likewhoa, the signal is external

listen to _AxS_ but again you trying to do things which your system can't handle.

lots of specs on 720p but not much on 1080p

how do I give my users view only rights to my new drive…. mount /dev/sdb /tempdrive

as i said i understand that. and i plan to upgrade. but i plan to know what to upgrade to first. for this i want real life experience from someone who has a chip that will do what i want.

well, you could see what speed you get on your system, them use bogomips to uprate it to 30fps ?

by that measure, i'd need a 50Ghz machine. obviously not a good computation to make

'view only' ? as in no write?

yup… is it mount -r /dev/sdb1 /tempdrive

really? bogomips don't scale linearly

why are you concerned with cpu when dealing with hd decoding?

have you looked at dstat output while decoding the video?

if you're mounting read-only then that would do it

not really. a lot has to do with the FSB, and things can get exponentially faster in the worst case with a fsb increase

otherwise it has to do with the filesystem

great..what if they wanted to write to it?

oh, so you want more than processor, you want processor/motherboard combos
ram speed probably too
i don't follow what you're trying to do..

well the two go hand-in-hand, yes. but typically processors are rated for use with a certain fsb frequency, so i'd be happy with just a processor at the moment

isn't this going to be used for mysql?

i'm trying to build a new media center pc

sorry im newbish at permissions

he can't watch pr0n in 1080p

Hey, sorry took awhile, but all the "70-persistent" stuff are blank files. Do I need something there?

lol

its cheaper to buy one pre-made. trust me..

ok hmmm im logged in under my user in kde… after I mounted /dev/sdb1 to /tempdrive… I cant view it with my user..i just want to browse through stuff

get a motherboard and cpu that support 1333MHz

going again

pre-made system?

Movie started
hehe

yeah, a pvr or something that's designed to do HD

oh i see.

pvr's got a unefficiency in the streaming

that wouldn't be waht i'm after

so umm…can anyone recommend a tftp client?

i have 720p and 1080p home-made encodes

has anyone here installed vmware tools in centos 5, and can give some reccomendations on how to go about doing this?
also, is it best practice to install vmware-tools on a server, without gui or X

vm/install vmware tools
that's really all that's required

jds2001, Sorry I neglected to say this is a VMware ESX server, and I have manually copied the rpm to the vm, and run rpm -i , it installs and takes me back to the command line, but even after a reboot of the vm, esx console still says vmware tools not installed

yep
run vmware-config-tools.pl
which was installed by that rpm

jds2001, thanks busy trying now, so with centos 5 I dont need additional kernel headers or dev packages or anything for vm tools?

does ESX support rhel5 yet?
i.e. is it an OS option when you make the VM?
you might need kernel-devel and compilers if not, but that would be it.

jds2001, yes esx 3.02 does support it, but I am on esx 3.01, but that should still work tho.
if not I can upgrade version to 3.02

yes
im running centos5 on vmware server 1.0.2

jds2001, I am not winning , it wants the location of the C header files, which i give as /usr/src/kernels/2.6.18-8.1.8.el5-i686/ but then it says " even if it were to compile it would not load into your running kernel"

huh?
ive never seen that before.
you are sure you're running 2.6.18-8.1.8?

jds2001, 2.6.18-8.el5
thats what uname returns

is there a keyboard shortcut for switching desktops?

jds2001, any ideas?

Reboot into the new kernel.
Ctrl-Alt-arrow key

thankyou kind sir

vmware is buggy on all newer kernels
infact anything above 2.6.9.x

It is?

linux_probe, hmm thats interesting, buggy how?

it's documented on vmware site
Please note that there are problems using kernel 2.6.19 (and newer) on hosts and guests, workarounds exists in VMTN.
i was off on the kernel number

linux_probe, so is it a better idea to stick to centos 4 on vmware for now?

there is a #vmware channel on freenode here also

linux_probe, thanks, for that vmware announcement?

(http://vmware.com/community/) might already have the answer to your question.

whats the url of the vmware page lsting the issues

thats the topic on #vmware

cool thanks
linux_probe, is it even necessary to install vmware tools on a server hosting only install that has no X

it should run without it, but if you look the networking is limited to 10Mbps
and will likely run a little slower

linux_probe, what are the necessary steps involved in installing vmware tools on esx once I have the rpm installed?

if it's a home server or such it should be fine, if ethernet speed isn't a big issue

would i allways have to get additional compilers and kernels etc?
linux_probe, no these are all production servers at our datcentre

if it's common distro, on older kernel, many time vmware tools has pre-compiled modules
i honestly dont run esx
i can say that if there's no pre-compiled modules for your distro, then yes you would have to have kernel-devel / source, make and gcc on the system for it to compile
if loading a bunch of the same machines you may be able to compile host on one then copy them to the rest, but there im not 100% sure

linux_probe, thanks…..

you should be able to copy the whole VM if you need identical installs on multiple machines

after manually editing the .config it is required to run make oldconfig or can I run make right after editing it?

linux_probe, just out of interest what are the types of bugs they are saying are related to newer kernels and vmware?

the bugs are vmware tools and vmware server/s will not compile right onot them
just a matter of vmware needing to update and change everything
seems they'd rather stay back on more proven tested kernels though

linux_probe, just got the vmware tools to install correctly….

http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Configuring+a+nVidia+graphics+chip+for+Linux#CentOSRedHatEnterpriseLinux50

it kind of will Trentster
if you was using gui the mouse / kb wouldnt auto transfer

linux_probe, had to do a yum -y upgrade kernel kernel-devel

the ethernet module usualy compile right though

linux_probe, thanks for your help, much appreciated.

tries
but as with everything, they change so much, so often it's hard to keep up

nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel
5 PST
But when I startx, it locks the machine.
nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.

the kernels consider nvidia driver unsecure and flip the taint flag on

linux_probe, right, I'm not so concerned about that, but the last line about no version…
anyway, point is it locks up the laptop cold
suggestions, or something I should try?

did you setup xorg.conf ?

yum install enablerepo=atrpms nvidia-graphics9755-kmdl-`uname -r` nvidia-graphics9755

no, that installs the driver
kernel modules

Driver "nvidia"

read the page again you posted yourself
what about load "glx"

The driver line is already there…
Yeah, there is no module section…
In this file find the section labeled 'Module' and add the following line to it (if it doesn't already exist):
Load "glx"
(Where do I add load "glx" if there is no module section?)

add the module section then

ok, just a guess that I need to add somewhere in it:
Section "Module"
Load "glx"

sounds as if xorg may not have been setup right aalso

That look good?

Section "Module"
EndSection

ok

put the Load "glx" between that of course

right
ok, gonna restart X and try it out

_

how can I 'overwrite' an installation? for example I messed up some config files of mysq, so I want mysql to be re-installed, INCLUDING the default config files

no dice
locks up cold
ideas?

what else is in your xorg.conf ?
was xorg.conf setup right to start with Z?

"Z" ? I just ran a few yum installs to get X up.
Just a sec, getting X back up so I can cut and paste easily on that machine

what video chipset is that

http://rafb.net/p/0PGPGK81.html
nVidia m140

hmm, never even heard of that one
is that older or brand new

brand new… brand new Thinkpad T61
xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/ABjNVF96.html

you may have to get the newest driver direct from nvidia and compile then

that may be, but I found the link to that page from a site talking about the T61…
(I just assumed that meant they'd got it working)

you also have no mouse configuration in the xorg

works just fine

ohh thats right laptop has touchpad
i've always avoided laptops

yeah, somehow I don't think a field engineer is going to drag around a desktop though ;-p

lol

I wish there was an easier way to start from a bare-bones CentOS5 install and add X, without doing a bloaded groupinstall
s/bloaded/bloated
Do you think the non-3D xorg-x11-drv-nv drivers will work?

try adding under under Subsection "Display", add Modes "1280×1024"

okies

or whatever the native laptop resolution is supposed to be

1680×1050

Install core, base, and dialup. That should be all you need.
Oh lord.

that's way too bloated

I scrolled back and forgot to scroll back down. haha.

base itself is full of crap

put it under the depth 24
i don't normally work with laptops,
but thats the only thing that jumped out at me as missing

yeah, but it should still just guess something, like 1024
but I'll try it

you can add multiple modes that way also just space or tab them "1680×1050" "1280×1024"

ok, I added both.. oh, crud, I uninstalled the nvidia drivers, so no lockup this time ;-p
lemme yum them back in (I was going to do the manual way)
any need to reboot after installing them?

you may have to add the BusId also
just make sure X is completely restarted

ok, hard lockup again. How do I add BusId?
(I was totally out of X when I made the edits)

BusId would look something like this under Section " Devices" by the driver "nvidia", BusID "0:5:0"
thats not the right bus id for yours though

0.0 look
(from the lspci -v, I assume?)

that should be the ID
just put it in the form above

http://rafb.net/p/0PGPGK81.html from that?

" should be

Hello, I need some help with the madwifi drivers

still a cold lockup when I startx… I'm going to try the manual way from the nvidia site's drivers

probably best hosting and maybe use their config tool

How can I configure a new profile in "system-config-network" with the atheros chipset? This seems to be impossible, I can choose only "Another Wireless devices" or "Next" and then choose some complete diffrent drivers.

you'll probably need the kernel headers and such also

no problems

vs me blindly guessing as to whats wrong and missing

I don't think it is a configuration issue so much as a driver problem.
normally a misconfiguration of X will through errors, not hard lock up the system.

yeah, the place you got the driver from are probably older

atrpms… dunno

i only been using the drivers direct from nvidia, vs playing around with others

jroysdon….a standart xorg.conf with "nvidia" as driver name doesn't help?

no, locks up

Then it should be a driver problem

when I had the system originally installed, once I'd ran updates, it would lock during boot, when it goes gui and shows the gee-wiz bootup process
(this time I wisely kept things runlevel3)

=P

IT's a AGP Card

thats why i pondered a BusId

?

he's on a laptop

Thinkpad T61 http://rafb.net/p/0PGPGK81.html
nVidia m140

ohh it;s the Go 8400m video

If the card uses the ram as video memory its often necessary to reserve minumum 128 megs of ram for the graphic card

ok… do I have the right driver then?
BIOS doesn't appear to list or allow me to change the RAM used for the card.

do you have an expert mode in your BIOS?

it doesn't list it, but it has a ton of options and sub-options, so I think it's the full-blown version.
nvidia manaul driver install is asking for "precompiled kernel interface" … is that something I can have yum install?

it looks for pre-compiled first
then if not it tries to build from source

ah, so I can just tell it to skip it and build from source?

it should auto say it can't find it
their script pretty much does everything

except hose wfb
well, it does that too
heh
failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist)
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so is a symlink to a non-existant nvidia-graphics-1.0.9755/libwfb.so

did you remove the other package with yum first
the first package you tried ?

yup
but it left that file.. I nuked it and re-ran the nvidia manual method
looks good now, but it complains about failing to load the NVIDIA kernel module

as it says symlink pointing elsewhere

yup, so I nuked that other file and re-ran it

ah

now it was able to symlink it right
I'm going to reboot, in case the old nvidia module is still somehow is use.
woo, nice nvidia logo
downside is that I have to manually re-do it with each new kernel, right?

yes
recompile for the new kernel

what's the base stuff you need to get Desktop Effects working?

_ oh please, not blinky flashy crap

just to test the 3d (or is that even 3d?)

btw to recompile just the kernel on upgrade just add -K tot he nvidia. .run script
so you dont have to re-install the whole thing

ah ,cool, thanks!

jroysdon…look for AIGLX and Compiz, or Beryl

I have compiz, but that's it… I'll look for the rest (when I go to turn it on, it says it cannot enable it..)

it does just the kernel module then

hm?

AIGLX on entry in xorg.conf?

uhm, kinda a bare-bones xorg.conf right now

the xorg.conf is probably huge now

there is GLX in there ;-p

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AIGLX" "on"
EndSection
and
Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection
then restart X

trying it now

in the Files section you should add probably :
ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"

"Desktop effects could not be enabled"

i dont know if this is really necessary

xorg.conf as it is now: http://rafb.net/p/LXP46G53.html

extensions should be at the end of xorg.conf, but this shouldn't be the point
add to files
ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"

I have no /usr/lib64, just /usr/lib

without 64
i use a 64 Bit linux
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
this is the version for you
:-)

no nvidia in that first path

no?

(stops at extensions)
nope

hm…
does DRI working?

how do I test?

glxinfo |grep rendering

installing glx-utils now…
yes

okay fine
i'm a little bit outdated with compiz and beryl, because i don't use it

not a big deal, just want a test for the 3d/enhancement of the nvidia driver (over vesa)

perhaps you need the AIGLX extension itself or something like that
glxgears
or www.worldofpadman.com

ok, it runs…

easy to install efficient to test you card

4580FPS
good/bad?

ample

does it run smoothly?

smooth, yeah

reminds himself to never run glxgears in VNC
lmao

(this isn't a high-end nvidia, just a cheap one that came with the Thinkpad)

then it is good
if you want to try glxgears with vesa then switch in the xorg.conf to vesa and see what happens
:-)

i only get 21xx.xx to 22xx.xxFPS on my integrated 6150

ah, ok

fast enough i think

_ would say your laptop is doing good
10876 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2175.162 FPS 11114 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2222.654 FPS

my ATI X1600Pro with the fglrx had only around 1500 FPS
now i have a nvidia card
and have…lets see
around 11 000 FPS
enough i think

is the centosplus kernel good/bad over the update one?

good question, next one please ;-P

lol

*i don't know it*

nor I

that is what broke my system last time, I think, or something with it locking up the video right after the gui boot started..
at least now I'm sticking at runlevel 3

perhaps I only used the centosplus kernel for the laptop of my girlfriend because she has a marvell wlan card which needs the plus kernel
I can't notice a real difference to the standart kernel

how does a Intel Duo T7100 @1.8GHz stack up to what you all have? It reports 3590.98 bogomips

how do you measure it?

cat /proc/cpu
I just have no idea what it means, as it is a new chip to me, and 1.8GHz sounds so slow (But it is a Centrino Duo)

/proc/cpu: No such file or directory
O_o

5005.48
5000.41

5323.12

cat /proc/cpuinfo

it's cat /proc/cpuinfo

(I just tab-complete stuff and don't memorize whole paths ;-p )

bogomips : 3733.00

remember bogo = bogus mips

5319.40

just a factoring of the clock speed

bogomips : 5191.08

so a tad slow, but still, it's a laptop
it seems blazing fast though

even with lower bogomips your cpu is probably as fast as mine

lol, of course it must have it idling or something
my stupid old gateway shows bogomips of 5580
but it is a p4 2.8GHz
but it's a dog

jroysdon…if you had my cpu in your laptop it would melt away including your power supply
lol

bogomips : 3733.00 — That's on an 4-core 1.86Ghz Xeon

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ cpu MHz : 2500.021
wee overclock

yeah, I think bogomips isn't a way to accurately test

bogomips = bogus mips

Definitely not

I have a Pentium D805…….

my space heater pentium D 830 shows around 8000 bogo

lol

it's at 3.75ghz

if i overclock mine then it could be possible that i have the same results like linux_probe
3.3 Ghz wouldn't be real problem, and over 4 Ghz is possible with good water cooling…..but i don't need it

im @ 25% oc
watercooled with stock vcore

- Dual e5455 at 2.66Ghz per core.

but the FSB run out of steam
had to volt the fsb

yes

morning

if i want to archieve 3.3 Ght i don't need any overvoltage, but for more i need it
uif i want to archieve 3.3 Ght i don't need any overvoltage, but for more i need it/u
I only know the euro price of mine *lol*

that was USD not long after they came out

Hmm….i think i paid around 110$ for mine

bogomips are a false reading most of the time.
I paid $960 per proc for mine.

i assume yours is an server though

Ya. Dual quad-core xeons.
I still take a dual-core AMD over them anyday.
Can't wait for the quad-core AMD.

mines are just desktops

what in the world do you do with those machines?

Oh. I use one for my desktop too. Sorry.
Servers for things. Mysql, web.

oh, n/m ;-p

I thought about to buy a Playstation 3 and installing Linux on it….*lol*

I thought you meant they were user desktops ;-p

is still on a poor old 6600gt
poor video card

linux_proble….old but stable

I do use one for my desktop.

i dont game anyways
i could have gotten a 6200 and been happy

But I do rpm builds and such on it.
Custom kernel compiles, etc.
Plus helps when you have 2-3 vmware instances running.

I only bought my brand new 8600GT because of these extremely buggy und crappy ATI drivers

is the box noisy?

puzzled, Nope.
And Nvidia definitely rocks under Linux.
Too bad AMD bought ATI and no Nvidia.

I hear ya. Got a laptop with an X1300 and am hope that ati comes up with some relatively decent driver this century

And anyone see the 3-proc AMD motherboard?

O_o
seen 4way with 3 populated

puzzled, I hope it for you……the ATI drivers made me sick, nothing worked correctly, and as I found out that the fglrx drivers tend to deactivate themselves sometimes at certain applications i had enough

yeah saw a pic of it the other day. had some story that 3way could be faster than 4way

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41610
Pretty interesting concept.

seems an oddball

Then it fits me perfectly.

lol
hmm @ 16gb ram via 6 slots _
they must go 4/4 2/2 2/2

Ya strange.

err doh
or maybe 4/2 4/2 2/2
which doesnt make sense for dual channel to work right
the first guess should be ok

Too bad it's only opterons.

makes me wonder why it couldn't have 24gb

Ya

must be some other chipset / mobo limiting factor
damned, there goes squid log rolling right in the middle of a page load

quite OT here, move this to -social or something

hi
in centos 4.5, how to change the default desktop gui? gnome, kde, …?

zLinux, man switchdesk

keanne, thanks

hi centos is giving error can not allocate memory! and i am not able to do any thing because of that

Dheeraj_k:what does "free" report ?

it is now back to normal but it is not behaving normal today total used free shared buffers cached
689496 396292 293204 0 0 0
-/+ buffers/cache: 396292 293204

which repository provides fvwm? i use Scientific linux hosting - a clone of CentOS, and enabled all repositories,but can't find fvwm
can anybody give me some repositories that provide the fvwm and opera packages? thx a lot

Hi. My newly set-up server has CentOS 4.4. Which package installer is recommended for installing multiple dependency programs?
yum?

Well, it mostly works and is the default package manager, so I'd say yes.

but it isn't installed for me by default. should I install it manually?

hi,people, can anybody tell me some repositories that provide fvwm and/or opera? thx a lot

yum is definitely installed by default, unles you seriously messed with the package list on install.

nope, it's not on my system. it's a hosted virtual dedicated server.
is there a simple command that can install for me yum properly?

If your version of Centos (as delivered to you by your hosting company) does not have yum installed you'll probably want to complain to your hosting company about that.

so if i add startup commands to /etc/init.d/rc.local do they start as root or what?

Yum is a basic part of centos, and should not be removed.

It is possible to not have yum installed form the get-go, but it requires effort and incompetence.
*from

hi, I have just tried to download a torrent from a site using Azureus, when it gets part the way through it says that my disk is full yet a "df -h" shows I have over 250GB free, I have tried running "quotaoff -vaug" and that has not helped, is there anything else that I can do?

You're certain you checked the location where Azureus is downloading it?

yes, it is downloading to /home/user/downloads
and the /home partition has about 266GB free

And "df -h ~/downloads" looks fine?

shows "/dev/md0 296G 16G 266G 6% /home"

Hrm. I'm not sure then.
Do all your volumes look fine?

if someone has a website and a thief has hijacked its domain name, what to do?

zLinux, get on to the registrar and explain the situaton

Dephenom, ok, this is one thing to do

ivazquez, yes they are all fine as far as i can tell

Dephenom, what about the hijacker?
Dephenom, since they are known to the registerar who they use and moved the Domain hosting registeration to
Dephenom, are they going to be punished at least by suspending their accounts and other domain names
Dephenom, and also what about the punishment they should get for this criminal act?
Dephenom, what should i do?

how do i run a program with a full path? like by using ./hlds_run but using the full path /root/hlds/

Yeah, exactly like that.

zLinux, for taking their domains away, probably not

so /root/hlds/./hlds_run?

Why the ./
?

to run it

Not needed.

execute it

zLinux, and for punishment if you think there is a case for it you *could* go to the police

Dephenom, the hackers are in another country, they are in a middle east country
Dephenom, particularly kuwait according to the whois record
Dephenom, and some of their emails are known, they are @hotmail.com

zLinux, the only thing you can do is talk to your registrar and see if they are sympathic. other than that there is not alot you can do

Dephenom, i'm asking about the international organizations where i can contact to report the abuse

zLinux report suck

Dephenom, ok, so the registerar and ICANN.org ?

who care about hack ?
the life is hacked anyways

AlphaDOG-, haha

Guys, take that to #centos-social please.

range, ok

is it possible to run both tomcat and apache on same port?

No.

ivazquez, hi

There is an apache connector which can connect to the tomcat web hosting server, but you cannot run them on the same port, no.

Well, they could be on the same port, but not on the same port *and* address.
Hey.

range is it available through any repo?

mod_jk

thanx

Or is there a new one now?

mod_jk should be part of tomcat, IIRC.

does it support tomcat 6?

Anyway, yum provides will tell you.
Hmmm.
Has it been renamed?

It's possible.

ivazquez, could you lend me a helping hand by telling me how to yum install fvwm?

First, find a repo that has it.
The chances of THAT, well…

does dag have it?

Let's just say that there are *much* better choices these days.
Looks like it's been renamed to JK.

how do i get vncserver to run on system boot?

Read the docs.
Is there a reason you want that over nx/freenx though?

use chkconfig and configure /etc/sysconfig/vncserver …
and ivazquez is right … freenx/nx is better
and at least it does consume resources if you don't use it …
s/does/does not/

I'm running "yum search python" but I only get version 2.3.4 listed. Is something wrong with my repository files?
I'm a complete centos noob, sorry

No.

how do I get yum to install for me python 2.4.x ?
and django and other packages available on fedora ?

ivazquez, where can i find a repo contains fvwm and/or opera?

FVWM is dead. Opera you'll have to look for.

is dead? how can?

fvwm 1.24r — the Window Manager To End All Window Managers. ALL HAIL FVWM!
unfortunately, though, you'll probably have to compile hosting it yourself

ok

Try PyVault. Poke symbiont if you want it updated.

Or use CentOS 5. That has at least python 2.4.3

but what's wrong with my repo files? why won't yum find and install python 2.4.x ?

Because we do not ship 2.4.x with CentOS 4.
And it is not a good idea to just update it, because pretty much stuff from the distribution will break.

I understand, but I mean as an upgrade to the shipped version. i.e. to save me from manually installing everything.
oh

CentOS is about stability, not about always having the latest and greatest (and untested).

can I upgrade my CentOS 4.4 to 5 in place? I don't have physical access to the machine - it is a hosted dedicated virtual server on mediatemple.

on how it generally would work, but …

No, the kernel updates would probably break your system.

probably is a "better" solution - you don't have a real CentOS system anyway

But if you have any problems afterwards, you should ask them, not us …

still, what do I do if my packages require python 2.4? can I install it side by side?

Yes, you could install python 2.4 into /opt/

good, now why can't yum handle this for me?

That's a setting you could use at compile time.
Because there is no repository offering that …

what would I be risking if I used a Fedora repository?

Besides complete system failure?

That it won't install because of dependencies.

yes, besides that

I'm upset with the small number of packages (not necessarily pythonic) available through yum by default. are there other tools which have larger/differnt repositories?

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
[angenenr@shutdown ~]$yum list all | wc -l
7554
That's 7554 different packages for CentOS 5.

is JMicron® JMB363 PATA and SATA controller supported by C4.5 ?

ok i cannot get vncserver to start at boot
configured the /etc/sysconfig/vncservers and then did chkconfig –level 5 vncserver on

yes, its stock ahci stuff

it's not the same beast as JMicron 20360/20363 ? ’cause - at least in C5 - I could not make it work

the 363 is just an ahci interface, you dont need to do much to make it work
anyway, i gota run now. bbl

thank you
and yet it seems like being the same chip which did not work for me
and yet it seems like being the same chip which did not work for me

"/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libapm.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

sounds fun
hope you've got a root login

it's a kind of magic magic maaagic

if you do try an emerge -1 pam

yes

hi folks. i have some trouble running nfs server. after few hours of working i always get a "lockd: server xx.xx.xx.xx not responding, timed out". anyone here has a hint what's going wrong there?

any ideas how to fix that TFKyle ?

as I said, try an emerge -1 pam and see if that helps

I had a kde package fail to emerge. however I did not write down
what the last one it did was.
how can I tell what the last emerge error was?

thanks, trying that now

yay X11 works

bobber205, look at /var/log/emerge.log

ah thanks
lopete is what failed where is its log?
*kopete

TFKyle, nope - no luck. How do I force it to rebuild that library??
libapm.so

Zartev, run a revdep-rebuild first
revdep-rebuild -vp

it has 3, libapm.so, libapm.so.1 and libapm.so.1.0.0

more might be broken

remerging pam should rebuild libpam

ok, doing a revdep again

hi! does anyone know when bmpx 0.40.2 will be in portage?

did revdep-rebuild and now trying emerge -1 pam again
what does the -1 do please?

oneshot
its not recording in world file this package

but what does that mean exactly?

tells portage not to record it in your world file if it isn't already

–skipfirst ftw!

Why is there a .ssh folder in /etc/skel? this folder does not have the right attributes for a user to add known hosts in the own home direcroty

hey everyone… has emerge behavior changed? all of a sudden emerge -uDN world pulls in fewer and different packages than emerge -u world!?

I have a question about kernel modules.

flithm, and that is surprising why?

How can I find out where a particular module is enabled in menuconfig?

nope - still no go

Nicias, zcat /proc/config.gz
for the running kernel
Nicias, you can search in menuconfig by typing /

libapm is still broken

renihs that searches for the CONFIG_FOO_BAR name.
not for the foobar.o name.

rephrase your intention then

In full detail.
I have a working kernel.
from kubuntu

you want to get the config?

I have that.

my system is broken pretty bad, i can't even complete a revdep-rebuild, what do you suggest?

the problem is it is an initrd style kernel.
so it has some things as modules that would need to be in the kernel.
if I wanted to use it without an initrd.

paste the error from revdep-rebuild
on www.rafb.net that is

put it into /usr/src/linux and build the stuff in you want?

so how do I find out which m's to change to *
renihs.
I don't know what the stuff I want is.
that is what my question is.

oh
:p

I know what modules I want.

modinfo -l
modinfo path-to-module
shows you description, with that you can search

i have to type it… it's with pango…. hold on
i shouldn't have done a stage 3 i feel that is why my system is broken, lol

stage 3 is the only stage that is recommended

how do I rebuild a libapm libary? revdep-rebuild and emerge -1 pam did not work

bassinboy, paste your revdep-rebuild error output

sit ok, :p you can always redo a stage one now

revdep-rebuild wants to rebuild because of libexpat, right?

yes

it's your lucky day
mzbot, teach bassinboy expat

expat-2.0.1 is not ABI compatible with earlier versions. Run the following in bash to fix: "emerge -n1 '=portage-2.1.2.12' portage-utils && emerge -qep world | grep –color=never -oFf (scanelf -plRBF '%F %n' | awk '/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}' | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e "libtool\ncurl") | xargs emerge -1". If a specific package fails, "/msg mzbot remerge-deep" for advice (gtk+/pango are common offenders).

thanks!

renihs, I'm don't think that modinfo gives me what I need.

tss, i just symlinked the old lib to the new one, rebuilt pango, then removed the symlink and it was all fine

Nicias, sure it does

that's a nono for the long term

which modules you want to builtin?
name them

well then i rebuilt pango again, and it worked, so
(without the symlinked lib)
because something in the pango package doesn't care about the change made by revdep-rebuild and tries to use the old lib anyway

I don't know yet, becuase I don't know which ones I need because I don't know what they do.
because I can't find them in the kernel config

hi, I'd like to specify specific mount points for my dvd drives within fstab so that the different drives always mount to the same folder respective to the drive, but doing this means that only root can mount them and it breaks my nice automounting which I had with hal
any suggestions?

say sony_acpi

Nicias, you basicly need to have the stuff for your disk builtin
so it can mount /
then it can access the modules in userspace and load the stuff it requires

Yes, I know.

sony_acpi you dont need for sure :p

but i tried the obvious things and got kernel panics.

Hello, I've got a prob with grub can some1 help me.. it worked fine till today. Now it only shows 'GRUB' and a blinking cursor and nothing else after I pressed F2 (missed the BIOS post :/)… how can I get it working again?

filesystem / ide/sata/whatever chipset is a good start
but why not create a new kernel?

doesn't fstab user option work?

that was my first try

good learning process, then you also know what you need
takes some time to bake the first "working" kernel
thats normal :p

I've done it before on different hardware.

image.gz but it just seems so slow - and its getting slower im not sure this is ever going to finish - any ideas whats wrong?

I don't mean to sound impatient, but I have been working on this for a while

og01, you might wanna increase blocksize (bs)

I've googled and used various wiki articles as starting points for my config.
and I keep getting kernel panics.

what panic message?

i've tried selecting large bs

mom.

og01, also check dmesg|tail might be bad sectors

can I set something in fstab for the group plugdev?

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-576951-highlight-.html?sid=67607525f85d77e8dd9b9e84ffdef9fe

Nicias, but basicly if you builtin everything loaded on the working kernel you should be settled
ugly but working

og01, check your cpu usage

I tried that
but it's a kubuntu kernel
so it includes everything under the sun as a module.

will do

still got the pango error, lol

it still gives me a kernel panic.

og01, gzip can be a bit heavy, try the –fast option, will give you a larger image though

but with so much debugging information I can't see what is going on.

It started ok as a reasonable rate its getting to about 4BG in size and its practically crawlling to a halt

so now I just want to build in everything for the modules it actually loads.
see?

I mean user,nouser option. The user option allow normal user to mount the device

Nicias, put in all sata/ide stuff
and filesystem
jut grab the whole list

I tried putting in all the sata stuff and filesystem. no love.

hmm

where did you syslink it from?

yeah.

sounds strange, if you paste me you loaded modules from working kernel i should be able to pinpoint your target

did you put the mzbot command in exactly

want me to put it up someplace?

?

Nicias, just boot it and paste me output of lsmod

like pastebin?

ya

mzbot, teach Nicias paste

Use http://rafb.net/paste or emerge wgetpaste. Pasting in #gentoo itself clutters the chat and will get you kicked by Naamah. Use the aforementioned site and hand us the URL so we can check it out.

I'm running kubuntu on it now.

i put it in a shell file and ran it from there

http://pastebin.ca/667865

so it did all the packages up to pango and then failed?

yes

How can I see how many files are in a folder and it's subfolders total?

-type f | wc

find ….. what Nicias said
thou wc -l

Nicias, you need generic scsi, ata_piix, ata_generic (dunno whats that called) and ext3

pango failing to compile because of expat
been at it half a day now

that should be it, generic scsi you might have ommited

you don't revdep-rebuild ?

revdep-rebuild complaining

ok, renihs, I'll try that, but I don't think it will work

done even
whats it complaining about ??

deleting stuff all over
the usual, "can't find blah blah for app blah-1.2.3"
takes half an hour every time

Nicias, lshw and lspci might help you too

going to get back on at work

lshw?

way more verbose

you mean can't find ebuild for package blah-1.2.3

knows alot stuff :p

ye that's the one, i guess

look at the topic, mzbot knows something about that

yeah I noticed.

emerge -e pango may work

k, run revdep rebuild, wait for it to bail out and it'll give you the emerge line

Nicias, paste your .config somewhere maybe

yes, that's why i've been at it half a day already

then you take that emerge command, edit out the packages that its complaining about and fire it off

revdep-rebuild takes 15 years

I've used several different ones.

edit out where?
from world?

you want the kubuntu one I'm working with now?

of course it's breaking on gnome/gtk stuff

Nicias, the one you use now

Hi, how can I tell webapp-config not to install anything by default?

is there a cli way to convert a file from utf8 to ascii?

yes but i forgot the name from the converter thingie

iconv -fascii -tutf8

ah :p

ok.
I'll put it up.
with the changes you suggested.

ln -s /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 — i think that's it

Wait, the -f and -t should be the other way around.

notice however that you shouldn't keep it that way later on, just make sure it rebuilds pango, then you should remove the symlink and continue the rebuild

iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0

Manually symlinking dynamic libraries is bound to cause segfaults.

then rebuild pango using emerge x11-libs/pango, to prevent what intgr just said

Does it work if you add the -s flag

having fun with macs now

http://pastebin.ca/667876

that's why i wrote "you shouldn't keep it that way later on", it's an ugly way of doing it but it works

building now.

Yeah.
Note that you will lose *all* accented characters when converting to ASCII.
If that's not what you want then you were probably looking for the iso-8859-1 character set instead.

pango breaking on expat here too

Which will convert cleanly if it's the correct one.

what's using pango in the first place?

ideally everything should error if it finds a character that can't be represented in the other encoding imo
gtk+gtk apps

figures

But sometimes you just don't care about accents when converting manually.

Nicias, you have quite some stuff as m
ide-generic for example

I got it
thanks

pango++

NP

thats the kubuntu config.

Nicias, sata or ide disk? ..i wanted your config :p

I don't have a config.
sata.
s/config/working config.

error 1: unrecognized device string" … how do i fix that?

there shouldn't be a space after the "," afaik

aaah, i will try that. thank you

np

Nicias, hmm rewriting that config would be too much work, hmm is that box accessible? i could login and make a quick kernel if you want

hmm.
lemme see.
don't know if kubuntu gives you sshd.
appears I might be behind a firewall here at work.
lemme try wireless.
brb

but *why* does revdep-rebuild keep whining about missing ebuilds
so i can't update world and i can't revdep-rebuild

it tries to emerge the exact version
i believe there is an option that ignores the exact version

run revdep-rebuild with the -X parameter so it ignores the exact versions

Just note the package names and re-emerge them manually
I never trust revdep-rebuild to emerge packages for me.

it shows them one at a time
so that's half an hour per try

It displays the entire emerge command line.
Before actually invoking emerge

hmm

And if you use –pretend, it'll pass that on to emerge.

k

So anyway, can I avoid webapp-config from installing new webapps after emerge by default?

intgr, tbh i never figured the webapp …out
its *really* strange :p

Yeah, never did I, and I think the distro should get the hell out of my way if I don't need it.

when i try to boot gentoo, it says "cannot open /dev/sda3, please provide a correct root= option" .. im pretty sure that /dev/sda3 is my /boot… any ideas?

err, neither did I

i believe if you set the "vhosts" useflag for your webapp, it won't be installed to your webroot by default
but i'm not perfectly sure

not gentoo specific, but.. Can one read one line from a text fil, find a specific string and remove it and store the remaining line somehow?

Are you sure that you've built your harddisk controller into the kernel?
It'll install under localhost then.

oh.. well, it has been over a year since i last installed webapps via emerge, might have been different then

Use 'lshw' from the liveCD to see which driver it's using for your hard disk controller.

sorry I appear to be behind a firewall.

i dont have the livecd, but i have the minimal install cd
maybe i should get the livecd

Doesn't make a difference, it'll run off the installcd as well.

renihs, no luck I can't ssh in from somewhere else.

hmm, okay. do i have to mount everything and chroot again in order to use it? it doesnt seem to be installed by default

Yeah, mount everything again.
And mount /sys as well.

hmm, okay

hmm, tbh i would suggest to wipe off that config and start from scratch or use genkernel (but i dont wanna advise that)

I tried genkernel, no love.

ya its junky

so .. anyone cares to help me with my lil' bind problem ?

make sure you get scsi_generic compiled in, all sata stuff you are not sure about and ext3
that *should* do the trick

Nicias, you can't force love !

I'll try, but I think I've already tried that

mammals learn from mistakes only :p

how do i mount /sys?

JUst like proc. mount sys -t sys /mnt/gentoo/sys

isnt it sysfs?

I have an AMD Turion64-X2 Processor .. one core is running at 1600MHz, the other at 800MHz. Is that the normal state??

lol

hmm that does not work

no
mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys
/mnt/gentoo/sys that is
goth, that actually cannot be
shouldnt be possible in my understading
are you reading from /proc/cpuinfo?

powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0×8 (1600 MHz), vid 0×13
powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0×0 (800 MHz), vid 0×1e
from dmesg
I'll check cpuinfo..
both at 1600 in /proc/cpuinfo
hm

hmmm goth strange
that info shouldnt mismatch (kernel ring/proc)
dunno, never seen

there is a SATA controller that uses driver=ahci… could that be what i need in my kernel?

that doesn't refer to the cores, that is just an enumeration of power states your cpu supports

ok .. I think I got it .. windows .. ( like in .. the opposite of linux ) has the bad ideea to add an extension after my fake zone .. as "Server" isn't a fully qualified name .. anyone knows how could I do named to rewrite those extensions or disable them ?
my lin box can "ping server" .. the win box can't ! .. both of us can ping ns.server .. so there's something with the win box

yo
anyone knows a reliable smart status reader - smartmontools just told me health test passed a few seconds before the hd died

BlackBishop, afaik icmp echo reply/request are dropped per default on win-firewall?

I don't bother with the summary, I go for the actual numbers themselves

Just moved up to kernel 2.6.23-rc2-mm1 and when I do module-rebuild -X rebuild I get http://rafb.net/p/Yk2Op891.html

the actual frequency can be seen in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[01]/cpufreq

Yeah, that's it.

renihs, nope .. it's not that .. he can ping ns.server .. he can ping any host .. the only problem is that he can't resolve "Server" because win adds some extensions

chithead, ya but they should be same speed…shouldnt they?

hi , did anyone try kuroo

Just a hint, you can use the search function in menuconfig to indicate where it's located.

:/
any hints for backup from a borked disk ?

Anyone who's not a fan of webapp-config, please vote on this bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189929

as I previously wrote, the dmesg info is only an enumeration of possible power states

can you still access it?

its booting up, but then i start getting io errors

ah ok, didnt see that

i just got myself a 2.5" hd adapter

dd it, with conv=noerror
or try to
and dont adjust the blocksize (leave at 512) or it will append zeros for the bs you specified once it can read
it cant read

thanks a lot, i hope it helps

hmm - i dont have tha much of free disk space

r0nny, you can pipe it through a gzip

thx

and i have tonns of kinda useless data wich is easy to gett on the disk
there are a few gb videos/mp3's i can easyly get again

then copy off the stuff which is needed while you still can (booting from livecd/other disk)

i just fired up my other pc and prepared to get the data via usb
(from a disk adapter)

i assume :p

if i update grub.conf, is there anything in particular i have to do for it to be updated_

and avoid writing anything to the disk until the important data is saved. (that includes fsck)

plain, no it gets red by grub on boot

sure
oh darn - my other system is hopelessyl outttdated

2.6.20? I would like to have a look at the kernel-config. with kernel 2.6.22 firehol 1.256 fails at startup.

na i tend to write my own firewall scripts
all i found so far where confusing, bloathed, hard to read :p

Hello all! I have a problem with sound. I compiled kernel with my sound cart support, and XFCE shows it. But when i try to play something with mplayer, there is no sound How can i solve it?

what do you mean?

firehol is a bash script i assume

you mean firehol configs?
no

sure it is
ah it generates

http://firehol.sourceforge.net/

ya i verwechselt it

anyone got bcm4318 working with ndiswrapper on x86_64?

mplayer plays something but you can't hear it, or it refuses to play? in the former case, check whether channels are muted in alsamixer, in the latter check your use flags

it is a bit more advanced than a dumb shell script

erm
lol
iptables script will be a bash script
it generates
just a ruleset

yes, mplayer plays something, but i can't hear it. Thanks, i'l check the channels in alsamixer.

well, i know .. I mean how to map your network environment

)(*$%(#^% still pango causing revdep to bail out
gtk mess
-X no help

dunno, run the iptables rulesset it generates in debug mode maybe
i think there where some netfilter changes in 2.6.20

got cairo with glitz ? a friend of mine had some unresolved symbols there wich made everything fail

there are …
layer 3 independence

and where can i find alsamixer? i need to install it?

ya
but that shouldnt affect, since most hooks remained where they are …i think

it resulted in pango without cairo support wich made gtk fail

expat causing it
trying to get rid of gtk mess now

media-sound/alsa-utils

but no clue, not using firehol :p

his problems where cause of the expat update

as i already mentioned I have a modules problem

same here

It looks like that firehol isnt prepared to use the new modules introduced with 2.6.20

hmm, I remembered using firehole successfully with 2.6
and, I think you need to compile hosting every modules for iptable
but it's been years.

kio, I already did this

Is there a way to set per user quota on certain directory? (I have more directories writable by users, but there is one which I want to set quota on)

hmm, in grub there is a parameter root=something… should root point to / or /boot?

sure, use XFS. it's a native feature.
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/training/xfs_slides_08_quotas.pdf
ehrm, m0t3jl.

:-)

kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22 root=/dev/sda3 … sda3 is my / … should this point to /boot rather than / ?

is there a difference between ext3 and xfs which could make the switch difficult?

in grub.conf

I am using sw raid now, is it ok to use with xfs?

babalu, the root (hdx,x) is boot in grub.conf
the root= line should point to /
in the kernel line

hmm

m0t3jl, there are HUGE differences between ext3 and xfs…but not from a files viewpoint
linux had to be ported to xfs :p
not xfs to linux based hosting services :p
stupid joke

when i emerge gentoo-sources … how can i checkout gentoo-sources-2.6.20-r6 ?
cuze know it checkout gentoo-2.6.22

whazilla, emerge =sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.20-r6
you need to specify exactly

that is ok, but be aware that sw raid on linux does not support write barriers. that means you will get file system meta data corruption with _any_ file system you use on power faulires, unless you disabled write cache on each and every drive with hdparm, or you have a controller with battery backed cache or an UPS.

and lateron if i wanne try latest again ?

narf
m0t3jl:

oh… it does point to / … something else is wrong then… bleh

Hey guys, the 2007 live cd does not boot up on a 128MB machine throwing "no space left on device" while in the tmpfs stage.

sorry.

Any power KDE users here?

its becuz ahci for my hdd is only supported upto r20

babalu, maybe you are missing controller chipset or filesystem
whazilla, that sounds unlikely?
hmm

I have an APC UPS connected to that server

What is a "power user" anyway?

Raeth, power user?

user with power

thats not a group :p

yes, it looks like it. i will add more controllers.. i have ext2 and ext3 in the kernel..

Advanced Users == Power Users

errr.. what is "advanced"?

Aah

it's supported on RAID 1 I believe.

Then no problem, XFS will automatically read some params from the sw raid device and set correct stripe alignment. That means you will be able to write faster with XFS on sw raid than with any other FS.

dekela, ask your question.

at least if whay you have is a parity based raid level, like raid 5 or 6.

dekela, thats windows terminology maybe but not gentoo

The reason I am asking is that I need to know if there is a way to channel all my system audio directly through ALSA rather then using ARTS
I think ARTS is the worse thing ever

barriers are support on raid1?

in alsamixer only Headphones, Tone, and 3D Contr are disabled

that would be great.

yes, I think so.

I'll check that

Yeah, Power Users are usually in reference to Windows users who have used Windows for so long they know how to work through the finnicks and oddments

Sorry for the "contamination" of the forum with "Windowz Terminology"

i can link u to the doc saying so … i just tried a latter kernel 22 and it dont have those kernel options anymore

whazilla, i believe you, but thats bad :p
but maybe they got integrated elsewhere
:p

renihs, i'm done compiling that monstrosoity of a kubuntu kernel, plus those options.

www.suprnova.org is back!!

MM=muted OO=unmuted. so master and pcm are both unmuted?

i'm gonna give it a chance.

The guide does say 128MB, but it is ending up with a kernel panic

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Asus_A8V-XE_Socket_939_Motherboard renihs

I did not get your last command? what did you mean by that? … I am using raid1 (2 same disks mirrored)

im just busy chrooting into image from livecd to make a new livecd

master and PCM both have 100%

100% doesn't matter if they are muted

On parity based raid levels (5,6) (not raid 0, not raid 1, nor raid 10) using XFS with stripe alignment will give you a boost in write performance, but as you have raid 1 it doesn't give anything.

so renihs what would be my best bet ? reconfigure newer kenerl and have todo it all over again if it dont work ?
or take the older kernel ?

chithead:but a don't see mute options there

you see any MM below the bars?

that pango )(*$% keeps breaking stuff

renihs no love again.

below the volume bar, it should either say "MM" or "OO" depending on whether the channels are muted or not

additional as kerframil says, barriers are supported on raid1, so you should be fine in any case. just check dmesg after a mount, XFS will tell you if it can use barriers or not.

I will try that, looks nice
my / will still be on ext3, but /home and /var/lib/samba will be on xfs and we'll see

yes, I've just found a few posts that seem to confirm it (one on the ext3 list, and another on the postgres list). users of other "personalities" are out of luck though

a, i understood There are OO's below the volume bars.

renihs, is that offer to try and make a config for me still open?

Hi all, I just updated my kernel to 2.6.23-rc2-mm1 in order to get my sound working, yet when I try to module-rebuild -X rebuild to get nvidia drivers working again, i get this http://rafb.net/p/Yk2Op891.html

great, if just LVM could adopt it as well :/

well then you should be able to hear something. do other applications such as aplay produce sound?
^^

1 minute, I install aplay

comes with alsa-utils

PercocetPenguin, AFAIK you need a patch

still trying to figure out what is pulling in that broken pango thing

where is the best web hosting place for some assisted install?
I'm buggered when trying to emerge grub

You can get help here. Please state your problem in as much detail as possible

complains about my ARCH location and tells me the make.profile does not point correctly

is the problem with LVM confied to operations using the user-space tools (i.e. lvcreate, lvremote etc)?
confined, I mean

ok I've just rebooted, I want to install without reformatting, though dont know where the makeoptions.xml would have been saved..

With /usr/portage/packages, if I remove the symlink "directories" and replace them with "proper" directories, will the binary packages get put in the correct directory, or will they still all be shoved in "All"?

AllenJB, as long as you only move the sysmlink or make a nu one the binaries should not move etall

no, LVM foks say it not possible to implement barriers, because of device mapper performance problems.

t3h suck

how about putting your binaries ina a directory named All

I was referring to newly created binary packages

apparently, dm-crypt supports it though.

when i build a kernel+initramfs with genkernel, to be booted on a host that has md root filesystem, do i have to build md and friends into the kernel? genkernel doesn't seem to include them in the initramfs by default

I don't want them all in the "All" directory - that's the point

ahh

hm

hard for me to comment there, if a symlink points to somewhere other than all, when copying to that link the files 'flow' toward the different pointer

I symlinked it /usr/portage/packages/All with no problems

I don't want the package all in "All", that's the point. I want them divided up by categories.

sure

you can re-define PKGDIR (/usr/portage/packages), but the structure is hard-coded as far as I'm aware.

anyone here familiar with configuring and running net-im/openfire (or know of a good howto/wiki guide for doing so in gentoo)?
emerge openfire && /etc/init.d/openfire start fails to start and there seem to be no config files and nothing in the logs at all (although the start script reports successful start).

did you etc-update?

it was a new install, so nothing to update with etc-update.

hi..

equery files openfile - that should tell you what files are installed for this package, see which one is config file
uh openfire

are you using XFS?

Well, there's /etc/conf.d/openfire but the defaults look fine there. None others in the package. I've read that much of the configuration is done in a web-app interface, but if the software won't start, then I obviously can't get to that…

I have 2 IDE device, cdrw and dvdrw and I have SATA harddisk. I'm trying to get IDE device work under 2.18.23-rc3 but it doesn't work,

pretty much everything seems to be needing this nonexisting libexpat.so.0 :/

I guess the question is: Does portage (and related binary package utilities) see the structure of PKGDIR as "/All/package-file" or "/category/package-file"

and there is no error or message in dmesg output

reinstall would have been quicker

run it on "no daemon" mode maybe? there should be option for that for debugging purposes

any idea how to do that for openfire?

the former. I know that the symlinks are not necessary for the package tarballs to be used.

Aww, that sucks
Not to mention, what does portage do if that's 2 packages with the same name and same version in different categories? Only allow you to binary package 1 at a time?
s/that's/there's/

I think the symlinks are just for convenience. By all means, double-check this assertion though.
I've not considered the matter so deeply.

did i miss anything?

hey there
anybody recommend me a good VPS that supports gentoo?

If you want 95% uptime, no.

bah

Cheap VPSes generally have dubious connectivity and stability as far as I've heard.

VPS == Video Programming Signal ?

in that case to avoid confusion, emerge category/package

Hiho… I am trying to do a five OS laptop…. and I would like some advice Is 4 GB too much overkill for a swap partition? (I have 2 GB ddr2 ram..)

is there a memory editor like tsearch equivalent for linux?

definitely

what does that do?

1GB swap should be plenty, for laptop work …

indee
indeed*

you can change values for memory locations

if you want to suspend-to-disk, you'd better have at least as much swap as ram

hacking HD-DVD?

How do I create the Makefile in the kernel source directory. emerge –depclean deleted it yesterday.

dd

I always used artmoney… once there was a couple of rumors about a linux edition.. that didn't happen though, as far as I know

eeyore-: naw, just playing with flashplayer

/dev/kmem

m0r0n, the Makefile?

It s gone

Well I was just following the old "SWAP = 2 * Ram"

Maybe just the .config file?
Oh, depclean
Never mind

eeyore-: looking for a clean interface like tsearch

erm is it possible to use 486 with glibc-2.6?

I am going to be doing some heavy work on this laptop… video editing and 3d development

I want to recompile x11-drm-20070314 * Found kernel source directory: * /usr/src/linux * Could not find a Makefile in the kernel source directory. !!! ERROR: x11-base/x11-drm-20070314 failed.

glibc-2.5?

eeyore-: you can search for memory locations containing a certain value or range, then watch those and do subsequent searches on the results to narrow down on a specific field

Well, there's gdb.

don't know of one, but there's always gdb

hehe
yeah to lazy for that though

Is it possible to fetch linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 again?

Of course.
emerge \=linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8

does anybody know if genkernel is currently broken?

Err

run the app, gdb, dump the memory

is there any good partitioning program for moving partitions? gparted just say the new location is the same as the old and do nothing when I accctualy tries to to move it about 40GiB.

So I only need 2 GB for my swap partition or what? Even with all my 3d development and other heavy tasks?

emerge \=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.20-r8

how much normal memory do you have?

2GB

oh

intgr, thanks

do anything from 2gb-4gb for swap, but yeah, I sugges 2Gb

You won't *need* any swap to operate on 2GB with sane workloads.
The kernel won't find over 512M of stuff to push out of physical RAM anyway.

Diabolic_Cookie, can always add a swapfile later if needed

2GB RAM + 2GB swap, for laptop? you're joking

eeyore-: nope
eeyore-: actually, I think that's what's on this laptop

And what does 'free -m' have to say?

I don't do many heavy tasks anymore

/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches")

My friend told me today that with enough ram you don't really need swap.. But I have always stretched even my current 1 GB +256 MB config

anyone minds taking a look at a cryptic genkernel failure? http://pastebin.ca/667981

eeyore-: That's stupid; page cache is there to speed things up.

don't use genkernel

I think I should go with 3 GB then… I have a 160 GB harddrive, what do you think?

It'll only push really unnecessary stuff out to swap on a 2GB machine.

given that it's a valid handbook option, it should work

the only "error" is the kernel start address. this was recently enforced in header file to be multiples of 2GB while the default starts at first 1GB
so, go into menuconfig and change the start address to be 2GB
uh, no, 2MB - M, not G

It's a waste of perfectly good HD space. If you ever use that much swap, you'll wish you hadn't enabled swap in the first place since your machine will simply slow to a crawl at that point.

where would that be?

it all depends on what you do

How do you go about mounting a DVD? When I go about mounting it the same way I would a CD, I get: 'unknown file system 'udf''

so 2 GB then? That will enable the sleeping mode

You don't have the UDF file system built into the kernel.

what does cpudetection in mplayer do?

for me, i use that on my mythtv box because otherwise the PAGE CACHE itself is stupid … why cache something i already watched? i'm not in the habit to go BACK often, so page cache is stupid in that regards, not me. why pile up megabytes and megabytes of old frames when i can use memory for something else (and yes, it does swap)

Oh, I totally forgot about hibernation.

damn im stuck
livecd livecd # mksquashfs /mnt/stick8gb/image.copy image.squashfs
mksquashfs: command not found

suspend to disk yes…

eeyore-: The pagecache also contains all libraries and binaries, config files, etc.

eeyore-, well you could set the swappiness variable

what package is mksquashfs part of ?

hey, what in kernel 2.6.22 do i have to enable to be able to boot from sata? :/
tried everything soon :/
and sounds like alot of people have problem with it

did i somehow say "you must drop the page cache all the time"? the "echo" does a drop-on-demand …

You have to figure out which particular SATA controller you've got. Use lshw to find out.

Are you interested in my setup?
Win XP Pro, Gentoo/Sabayon, Ubuntu, Mac OS Leopard, BackTrack2. It's going to be sweeeet

sorted. Cheers intgr

Hi, I have a GA-N680SLI-DQ6 and for my network driver I need the sky2 one. So i've selected it in the kernel, made the bzimage and copied it into boot, after rebooting, no network device

eeyore-: And it'll just re-use all the RAM that you cleared up for new pages to cache.

easiest is to compile in the driver, otherwise edit the genkernel config file to include that in the initrd
sure, but meanwhile, i can run firefox or game snappily!

eeyore-: Oh, you mean they don't run snappily without drop_caches?

well, after i just watched a movie or two, the cache is filled up and it starts to hit swap … then launch firefox? grrrrr….swap…grrrr….swap…

eeyore-, I can't find this kernel start address

u here

screen redraw is painfully slow … swap … swap …

eeyore-: That's odd.

in menuconfig, use the "/" key to look for START

Hi, I have a GA-N680SLI-DQ6 and for my network driver I need the sky2 one. So i've selected it in the kernel, made the bzimage and copied it into boot, after rebooting, no network device I've read about some guys having the same problem with this mobo

It should just drop unused page cache pages.

wow, didn't know it existed

2GB for swap that is… okay CHECK. I have another question for your amusement… Ext3, JFS2, ReiserFS or whateve. I need help with this, don't know much about the different file systems.

hmm, this whole section is DISABLED for me

i guess it wants to hold on "just a little bit longer" … our sims here run into that too … yes, everybody says "it should drop unused page cache" but i think there's a little thing in there somewhere that wants to hold on to them just a little longer, just in case

oh sorry
there are too

ext3 if you want to be completely safe; reiserfs shouldn't give you any problems either, but people seem to be more wary of it.

("we") = chip designers doing design verification, sucks up a bunch of memory and stuff doing corner cases

humm … and then ? .. all i find is the harddisk in that, not the controller?

could you tell me about the main differences? I didn't learn much from wikipedia, I was just out of my head

/0/1/0.0.0 /dev/sda disk 74GB Hitachi HTS54168
is all i get

eeyore-: Does swappiness at least improve it?
It should display the controller driver name somewhere above the hard disk entries.

will have to see what RHEL3 does to solve this "once you hit swap you're screwed", unfortunately we can't upgrade our farm from RHEL3 :-p

eeyore-, thanks, solved my problem so this is a genkernel bug I'ld say…

not that i can find

reiserfs is more space efficient and generally considered better performing.

untill you have to fsck it.

When you type 'mount', does it show /sys as mounted?

so why do ppl stick with ext3 then… ? because of backwards compatibility?

sysfs as /sys yes

no, the *default* for a long time has been 1MB but now that it's *enforced* on x86_64 … i wouldn't blame it on genkernel
this is not an issue on x86

Fragmentation is *very* hard to measure, but the consensus seems to be that it also fragments more.

heh heh, isn't THAT always the case? (reiserfsck always fsck up)

ext3 has the best reliability record as well as the best fsck in case something does fuck up.

language, and you better have some statistics to back that up …

2.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc ATI 4379 Serial ATA Controller (rev

well, ubuntu is debian based, backtrack is based on slackware, and they all support ext3.. I think I'll do better by just going with it until I have more experience thx for the help

from lspci
intgr:

what, intense dislike for reiser because reiserfsck burned you once, just when you really needed it … that's not enough?

reiserfs had several bad corruption issues back in the 2.4 days.

if you're telling me i should forgive something because, just when i really needed the "fix" tool to fix something, it dumps core on me … i don't think so

Although I don't think there are any these days.

eeyore-: well, ext3 self-destructed on a pristine system once, so I have a very strong dislike
so did ext3

Locale.setDefault(new Locale(ClientSettings.USER_LANGUAGE,

eeyore-: well, that's what happened to you, I had the exact opposite happen, so who's more right?

oops

what do you know about JFS2?

whoever has the +o

Forget JFS, very few people use it, so it's very likely to have undetected regressions.

thx

Well, not "very", but more likely anyway.
Could be.

all i want for my christmas besides my two front teeth and a hippopotamus is a filesystem that does snapshotting, reliably

I burned my last hdd.. I am currently working entirely on a livecd

(besides netapp i mean)

Look for a line that looks like "configuration: driver=sata_nv latency=0 maxlatency=1 mingnt=3 module=sata_nv"

in what?

Use smartmontools and smartd to predict failures in the future.
in lshw output

does that work reliably with SATA now? (last i checked the SATA layer didn't pass the command on through)

eeyore-: nah, we can agree to disagree

jfs is pretty stable. I don't know of any regressions lately

Under one of the 'ide' entries.

thx.. I shall write that down

eeyore-: Yeah, the libata SMART patches were merged an eon ago, in 2.6.17 or something.

ok, i could use some tips about this pango/libexpat mess
wasted way too much time

How else do I enable direct rendering? I ve reemerged x11-base/x11-drm, media-libs/mesa and entered eselect opengl set xorg-x11. glxinfo still prints direct rendering: No

ldconfig -v shows libexpat.so.0

ansiversion=5"

it all depends a) on your usage and b) on what recovery tools are acceptable

Sorry GTG

chip?

eeyore-, ati radeon 9000 mobility

any hints for me about making this 5 OS laptop?

"radeon" driver or "fglrx" driver?

radeon

did you load "radeon" kernel module and "drm" kernel module?
/etc/make.conf, VIDEO_CARDS="radeon", emerge x11-drm ?

well…not all of the partitions will be able to be Primary ones

to use a joystick should i enable any feature on kernel ?

I am goint to use GRUB boot loader I think

yes, there is a joystick driver under input devices

some will have to be Logical/Extended

lsmod | grep fglrx - 0utput should be empty, lsmod | egrep (radeon|drm) - should have some output

eeyore-, yes, the variable is set VIDEO_CARDS="radeon"

Anyone here know a trick of how to get a script to run after a screensaver stops saving the screen?

not sure what you mean

Boohbah, hmm i can just compile the module and run it, without modify my actual kernel, right?

yes that should work

eeyore-, it worked until I updated my complete system yesterday

the handbook should tell you

Boohbah, ty

don't need to know that, just need to know the answers to the questions i asked

I gave you the answer

mzbot, gentoo eeyore- ati

no you did not … "did you load the 'radeon' kernel module"?

okay… I was just about to do some reading on GRUB… do you know any other good bootloaders? acronis OS selector costs money

mzbot, gentoo eeyore ati

answer - "it used to work", well, whoopee, it sure as heck isn't working now :-p

nothing found
eeyore-: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ati-faq.xml

order of installation will be important if you intend to put Windows

radeon 120928 2 drm 117424 3 radeon

grub or lilo are the two standard linux bootloaders (can load other OSs as well obviously)

I know.. but not sure which to install first… I also read that you should be careful when installing a boot loader… It should be installed a certain place for minimum damage to a harddrive

i try to generate a filesystem with mkfs.vfat but it claims mkfs.vfat would not exist. whats wrong?

emerge mkfs ?

but hopefully the installation order will be explained in the manual.. or could you just tell me

Windows will always install a bootloader and overwrite the existing one when installed

aparently its the Silicon Image SATA driver
how wierd is taht
that
found a gentoo page about it

I believe you need dosfstools

So installing windows first and then grub is an option?

(as in the package, to clarify )

AllenJB, dosfstools is not installed. thx for the idea

gonna try this out .. bbl

yes, but of course you should create the partitions before starting

in and thankls

I was planning to do so..

also make sure the other fedora linux distros don't continually overwrite the MBR

hi

but not sure if I should make a separate partition for the windows programs, besides windows itself. How do I make sure the MBR is not continuously overwritten?

Only install one distro like Gentoo

jebus

make sure they don't all try and install Grub, which they may or may not decide to do without asking

this is going to be hard… I have no idea how to make sure they don't do so.. and this is the first time I am going to use grub

Diabolic_Cookie, If the other distros you intend to install offer the option, you can choose to have grub write to the partition where the current distro is being installed

to be honest, if you're partitioning just to try out different distros, you're much better off using Virtual Machines

yeah, install one and use something like qemu

I really want my setup working, and it's not just to try out the different distros, but more of a venture

do you want to share files between each as well…?

… not necessary.. but now that you mention it, it sounds sweet
this is my setup: Win XP Pro, Gentoo/Sabayon, Ubuntu, Mac OS Leopard, BackTrack2
I mean, only movies and mp3's not anything else really

whats the best place for a guide to install gentoo?

gentoo.org
did you even try?

one wrong move and kill all OS on the disk

google I think otherwise go with victori's vote

virtual machine, with a few caveats….

performance is a big deal I think.. so virtually it is impossible (Yes that joke was dumb)
How could I share files between the different OS', do you mean between every OS or just linux flavors?

1) DirectX acceleration won't work under VMWare Server, VMWare Workstation does, but it does so rather poorly. 2) MacOS support under VMWare is relatively unknown

eeyore-, I restarted my system as it is often necessary in windows. Now, direct rendering is working

every OS, running as a virtual machine, and each virtual machine to the host

what If I have a partition that is ntfs with all my files, and each OS has an individual partition? could that work then?
uwhat If I have a partition that is ntfs with all my files, and each OS has an individual partition? could that work then?/u

awesome

of course ntfs could cause some read/write problems I guess…
How is NTFS under Mac OS X

ntfs writing using the fuse driver is excellent, but still you're better off using fat32, even 16

actually i'm a noob on linux, but i hope that i'm gonne get it working

don't know

thanks for helping

Cheers.

like i said .. was some strange driver that didnt even have ati in its name…
they should realy write it in the help text in the kernel :/

is that ASUS?

what?

sorry wrong brand

Yeah, motherboard manufacturers rarely make their own controllers for everything.

the pegasos ppc is based on open firmware
produced by bPlan/Genesi

hi

what frequency of the cpu?

I would avoid conflicts with read/write errors and mac os x errors just by using a partition that is FAT32? I think I am sold… But take in hand that I only want to share videos, images and documents, not games or apps between the OS'.. doesn't this sound like the best solution?

thought about getting one of those made by Genesi, but freq. seemed slightly too low for my needs
yes, assuming OS X reads/write fat32

it is a G3 with 600MHz
its the first pegasos model
the followup model is equipped with a G4 at 1000MHz

can i install gentoo onto a fat32 partition ?

ah, discontinued i think

I'll just ask one of my friends… thx… you are all pretty help some in here I think. - just to sum it up, If a make a partition that is formatted FAT32, and a partition with Windows that is formatted NTFS, will I run into problems?

yep
unfortunately
but the hardware is fast enough for macos9 and morphos (naturally)
macosx works fine too
couldn't get linux working yet

only if intend to share the NTFS partition with every os, otherwise no
*you intend

but i hope that gentoo installation will work the way it shall

Will_Cego, you ve to kiss the gentoo cow first, then it will work the work it shall

in wich package(wich i don't have) is libswscale.so.0
?
hello

is that a ppc box you're installing on?

lovely! I think I will a partition that has windows on in (probably 3 GB) and a huge partition for all my apps and stuff, I will organize it into two main folders "apps" and "misc" where "misc" will be all my valuable music and docs this is going to be awesome!
sry for typos

what do you mean with ppc box? (sorry i'm not into that type of computing )

he means the main processor, which in the pegasos is a PowerPC, abbreviated as PPC

I hope you understood what I meant

yeah, but what about box?

Does anyone know what USE flags are required to install xfce4?

"required" ? "emerge xfce4" should just work
box, machine, computer - all synonyms

oh ok
yeah it is a ppc box

When it got to around ~93/128 packages it stopped due to the X USE flag not being enabled :/

G3 @ 600MHz, 256MB Ram
Radeon9200 AGP graphics card

did openssl disappear? I can'y find it in distfiles

what was the exact error?

Tommy`: One sec, let me pastebin it

(don't paste multiple lines in here, btw, in case you were about to)

hello - which Gentoo image should I use for a Intel Core 2 Duo T7100 laptop?

aha, good man

LOL I am going to have a total of seven partitions! 1 for swap (2 GB), 1 for win xp pro (3 GB), 1 for backtrack2, 1 for Sabayon/Gentoo, 1 for Ubuntu, 1 for Mac OS X and one for my apps!!!

I mean is it x86 or amd64?

can i install gentoo onto a fat32 partition ?

can I set the owner with mkdir?

How much space do you guys think I should put on my partitions for linux flavors and Mac OS X? (I have a 160 GB drive)

no with chown
Mc_Fly:

Tommy`: http://pastebin.com/m1f2d301e

Hello everyone! I'm trying to install Gentoo on a Sony VGN-AR41S laptop. After the initial boot with the CD all seems well, however DNS resolution does not work. I can ping remote hosts by IP, but when I try their domain name I just time out. I have tried changing my DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf but with no luck. (DNS works for other Linux installs on my network) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

ok
its time to burn gentoo

dhcpcd eth0?

How much space do fedora linux distributions like ubuntu and gentoo take up when installed?

as if anybody would be interested in knowing that you're listening to music at a crappy low bitrate
uas if anybody would be interested in knowing that you're listening to music at a crappy low bitrate /u
uuas if anybody would be interested in knowing that you're listening to music at a crappy low bitrate /u/u

anybody?

ok wait

as much as you want them to. depends on your amount of pr0n you store in /home/, the programs you install through your package manager, and so on

better

x86

Thanks, I'll give it a try and let you know what happens…

yep!

thank you

no problem ;D

do you know by any chance which CFLAGS and MAKEOPTS I should use?

one sec i wrote down what I used somewhere

ah - you have such a beast?

brb

anyone using the latest xterm and irssi? I am getting this for Alt+Num ± ² ³ ´ µ

to be more specific: one of my installations of gentoo takes up around 3.4G, the other one is at around 7G. it's nothing to do with the distribution really, but with the software you install. 'linux' as in 'the kernel' fits on two floppy disks (or even one, if you choose the features carefully while configuring it )

oddly Alt+5 gives a window menu

you need to turn on meta sends escape

thanks in irssi or xterm?

xterm

http://pastebin.com/m1d2ff9ca

you can either ctrl+left click on the xterm
then turn it on
or edit your .Xdefaults

oh ok, it was not doing it in the shell

true
for unicode

thanks I will add that

I also have alwaysUseMods but I don't recall what it does for sure

2 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-gentoo-r2 - this single file is

still does it

you may have to restart X

ah there is a xrdb -load I will use that

http://pastebin.com/m68456a1b
took a bit, sorry

oh ok

thank you that works

sweet

and it's -O2 (the letter O)

thx.. you helped a lot.. I don't plan on using much space on either of my distro's So perhaps 5 GB is fair for both ubuntu, gentoo and perhaps even smaller for backtrack2

now there is another odd thing I set the …*termname : xterm-256color in .Xdeafults but echo $TERM still yields xterm

Hi all, some of my services won't start. local is one of these and it really does nothing anyway. They just set their status to "starting" and hang. Any ideas what could be causing this?

whats the size of gentoo on a standard install?

yep, backtrack2 is 1.8G unpacked, iirc…
there is no standard install

you know a lot

that's the wonderful thing about gentoo: you got to choose everything

so… how much for the full install

s/Xdeafaults/Xdefaults

what's a full install of gentoo?

there is no full install. some packages are mutually exclusive

lol good point too

hmm get the following error when running mplayer and mplayer-bin: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory . revdep-rebuild finds nothing and other programs are failing, any ideas?#

gentoo is exactly what you want it to be. may it be size-wise, feature-wise or whatever-wise…

so i was quite busy … making mu own custom live cd from a livecd
but i got stuck in the progress

(but that of course comes for the price that you have to spend a lot of time on it )

thers no mksqyashfs on my livecd
and i need it baad

…. I am getting pwned. well what about this.. I don't have a clue about the size needed for my ubuntu and gentoo installs then

*mksquashfs

thanks again - I was already searching forums & wiki host and found some data

2,5 might even be enough for BackTrack2

but it's always better to speak to someone with live experience

4gb per install will do plus a serpate swap if u wanne run em thru uml

the real issue is: what do you want to do?

I'm a linux programmer and an advanced gentoo user. I want to start writing ebuilds now, can you rtfm me to the right direction? I just can't find a nice reference.

I am making a swap partition that is 2 GB

perhaps even Damn Small Linux is sufficient… it comes at around 50 MB (compressed)

care to help me with ur experience ?
im making a livecd
from a lievcd
so i can view my hdd
cuz its unsupported
but mksquashfs is missing :$

so you're running 32bit … may I ask why not 64bit?

I just want linux to mess around with beryl I guess (just kidding, but I want that too) I want it to practice gimp and for programming

are you sure there is no other livecd which supports your controller? that would be less hassle

well ive searched imho

what are your space constraints?

I had trouble with some of that stuff too, so I know how it feels

I have a disk of 160 GB's

so more like an alround desktop system… i'd estimate a 6 GB partition to be enough for some time… put /home on an extra partition… 2 GB swap won't be needed if you don't have ridiculously little ram and open ridiculously large files

padde couldnt find mirros with live image only remarks about it
the ide driver is called vt8251
via sata driver erm

you're fine I'd partition maybe 40 GB for the OS, and the rest for the data partition

I have 2 GB ram as well

I tried dhcpcd eth0, it said dhcpcd: already running. ifconfig confirms that I have an IP address, netmask and broadcast are all correct; and /etc/resolv.conf all have the correct settings - so DHCP seems to be working fine. It's just seems to be DNS which is failing. It there some way I can do the equivilant of an nslookup from the install disk by using telnet or something?

My Gentoo is installed on a 30 GB drive, and I use another drive for all my music/vids/mp3s

you had trouble running 64bit?

how about you use a livecd, boot it up, download the driver, compile it, load it and then view your disk? much less than remastering a livecd first, if it's for one time use

padde anyway to get mksquashfs running ? not ebuild way ,

i mean with the configs and stuff

it usually hovers about 85% disk utilisation

padde ive just compiled it
how do i load it up ?

I am putting windows on its own partition, with a FAT32 partition for apps and so on, so I can reach those from linux

modprobe name

but I do have some games fully installed on it instead of my data drive, like quake4, which accounds for several GB

you can use ntfs as well nowadays

hmmm, usually dhcpcd should be able to configure it correctly

its a kernel module
not a modprobe

modprobe is the program to load kernel modules, genius

actually, you can go ahead and use NTFS, cause there's solid r/w support now

u have to enable it thru make menuconfig

using ntfs-3g

that is far better than fat32 anyway
as you're limited to 4 gig on files with fat32

so then it's in the default kernel already? even better, then every good livecd will support it out of the box, because they activate everything in the kernel to be compatible with as much hardware as possible

FAT is actually a very crappy filesystem, easy to corrupt

I heard about something called the fuse driver? is that the same dusik?

hmmm, did you try a reboot?

ntfs-3g works via fuse

hmmm, wait you're on a CD

padde its uncompatible with via_sata

fuse = file system in userspace

but its another form of via-sata
ahci
for vt8251

This is my setup Win XP Pro, Gentoo/Sabayon, Ubuntu, Mac OS Leopard, BackTrack2 - I want all of them to be able to reach this partiton with my music and so on on it.

it's just a few minutes to set up, you can follow the guide on gentoo-wiki.com

padde any more clues ?

i see… well, then just put the fitting kernel onto some usb stick and boot from there or so… you can re-use the / partition of the livecd or any other linux distribution you have at hands

canyou get me a link?

oh… I guess look up ntfs-3g support on MacOS; I've heard it's there, but I'm not an expert on MacOS

I have a NFS server that dies every 15 minutes now that I've upgraded to 1.0.12. Anyone heard of this?

I am writing all of this down

there are many possibilities, perhaps it's possible through a kernel command line argument?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTFS_write_with_ntfs-3g

but i'm sorry, i have to leave now, got to get some sleep

well
the problem is i cant make sqyashfs for livecd

you tried net-setup?

bye, thx for the help

so i imagine i got same problem with booting from usb

net-setup eth0?

night padde

hint: you don't need a whole distribution just to boot an alternate kernel. you just need the alternate kernel, and then specify the root filesystem of the existing distribution in grub

asd

dsa

wops ?
why did i write that i wonder
ahh to update the screen

hmmm well… I need 3 GB for the windows install (taking note of further updates/mods) and I need 2 GB for my swap file (I have 2 GB ddr2 ram also) BackTrack will only need like 2,5 GB or maybe 3. Ubuntu and Gentoo I am not currently aware of and what about Mac OS X?
I also have the shared partition that is going to need lots of space (I have a 160 GB drive)

sounds like you won't be installing many programmes on windows

3gb windows disk ?
what are you on ?
atleast 10gb or you wont be able to do anything

3 GB is enough for a clean install, and maybe a few apps

the shared HD is also going to contain the apps for windows (perhaps I could emulate some through wine then)

as long as you don't use it much (windows does grow…)
good point about wine

does anyone have an idea why on earth i'm not getting my dns_domain name set even after configuring everything i need to?

me loves for wine

but the gentoo apps will be emerge into your gentoo OS drive, so you'll want something roomy
like I said, for the apps you mentioned, 40 GB would be pretty nice

how much dusik?

You can make Gentoo pretty damn compact, but I think you've got the luxury of a big HD

this "shared" partition should be either FAT 32 or NTFS, I'm not sure if I can make read/write work in backtrack with NTFS, what abour Mac OS X? does that support NTFS?

anyone at all?

Why won't backtrack support ntfs-3g, it's running the linux kernel

alternatively, you can install an ext2/3 driver for windows

had no idea I could do that?

yeah … even if you dont use it it seems to grow

lol, by "not using" I meant not booting into it
it does grow if you just leave it idling

So gentoo, ubuntu and backtrack all support ntfs though the use of ntfs-3g, windows does too, the only thing I need is to get the apple maaaaacs working

well it still seems to do it with computer turned off
every time you try to install something there isnt enough space

Oh she said that yesterday I believe dusik

install Gentoo on them!

damn it .. isn't anyone here good with bind ?

there's plenty of _better_ things to fix in mailman before that

[Kismet], what is rpm -q fedora-release

fedora-release-7-3

dwmw2_PVG, yes you are right, but why doesn't it have this simple feature. i mean, it is full of other unnecessary feaqtures. supporting smtp authentication would not hurt. Besides, what happens if someone wants to use a remote smtp service?

I think to have found my problem

[Kismet], good

who would run mailman and not a local smtp server?
that's just weird

(then the repos are ok, if fedora release is ok, if all third party are disabled)
[Kismet], ^

dwmw2_PVG, ok you are right about this, but I still believe that it is less weird than other features of the mailman suite

oh, I agree
I _will_ get rid of mailman one day and just do most of it in the MTA directly.

guzu, sometimes when they do a yum upgrade the repo files are not correct

I think my laptop's going to be here all day updating fedora core 5…

Southern_Gentlem, even if the third party repos are disabled and fedora-release is ok?

guzu yep

Southern_Gentlem, i can not see how this is happening

Has anybody got any bad experiences with Fedora 7 on a ThinkPad R61 (or with this notebook in general)?

kny, several people have report have problems with t60
guzu no idea how it is happening

i see. i'll search after this

best thing to do is have them paste there repos to the pastebin so you can see and can compare

Southern_Gentlem, thanks for this advice, something to investigate.

hmm when I put in a memory stick with (v)fat or ext* on it, it gets automounted. Not so with ntfs?
hmm when I put in a memory stick with (v)fat or ext* on it, it gets automounted. Not so with ntfs?

karlmag nope

Any idea (pointer) on how to make that happen?

karlmag, ntfs is pownd by M$

I have ntfs-3g in
mounting manually works, but that doesn't scale

karlmag could that be because of the way ntfs handles permissions?

I have no idea
Shouldn't you be able to overrun that somehow anyway?

i installed plesk and now httpd cannot start

What's almost as irritating is that I can't seem to find out which mechanism that does the mounting…
is it automount or some other mechanism?

udev

oh, right
wonder why I didn't think of that

gecew, plesk is not part of fedora and it replaces core files
howdy tux-nut

hi

tux-nut what happens if you spam the channel

hahahahaha yes you may get kicked
i learnt that yesterday

you will be kick, you maybe banned
tux-nut, i know you got the boot, it was my big shoe that did it

thank you very much
ha ha it you

tux-nut, i kicked you, but i did help with your problem

true, so true. that i cannot complain about

hi
Too much work in interrupt –why do i get this error in my linux and then i cant type anything, this is only a tftp and dhcp server? any help pls?
also , btw what is the command to view if eth0 is using full duplex 100mbits?

im here trying to iron out a few more newbee situation im in….. but im still happy with this product

tux-nut: can you help me with my problem i pasted above?

where is the paste
shorball are you taking the piss

shorball, ethtool

im trying to get to grips with this irc thing im still looking for the paste
excuse my slowness

# ethtool -c eth0
Coalesce parameters for eth0:
Operation not supported

i have proboems with yum in fedora 7, "Metadata file does not match checksum", is this a temporary network/repo error or is my fault ?

same result if using ethtool -a eth0

shorball, what about ethtool eth0

# ethtool eth0 –says No data available

hi, i recently installed vmware on my fedora, how can i block other users on the machine to use the vmware ??

that is the result guzu

shorball, there's no eth0 in? is dead?

Southern_Gentlem……now bookmarked

broli out of sync mirror yum clean all && yum install yum-fastestmirror &&yum update

Toskana, man chmod

it is not dead cuz i have here few result RX bytes:14616708 (13.9 Mb) TX bytes:4778360 (4.5 Mb)

hm, what is ifconfig ?

yeah i used ifconfig

chmod of which files…..

show us the output, please shorball

ifconfig didnt display if it is full/half duplex or 10/100mbits

shorball, in rafb.net/paste, of course

hi everyone
anyone have any suggestions on a good x-client for use on a windows machine?

Hmm.. it worked on other machines, just not mine. I guess something wrong isn't right here then.

http://rafb.net/p/EjALI634.html –that is the ifconfig result of eth0

evil_hitman, cygwin

i have had this probolem before, adn yum clean metadata was enough, but since i updated tofedora 7 that doens seems to work anymore

thankyou

btw this is an old 3com nic using fedora core 2

have a good evening/day/night

one tip, when running the installer, select, X-init-scripts
it's not included by default.

what do you think of the result?

wait

waiting..
take your time my friend
while im googling

shorball, good, cause there are a lot of reports on this issue is your fedora fully updated?

nope for sure
havent touched it for years and years
since the appearance of fc2
that box is only used for dhcp and tftp server for my client

shorball, so, maybe a little yum update kernel will fix this …. why don't you migrate to centos? it has long time support

guys, anyone know if there is tao-opengl rpm any where in the world ?

what's tao* ?

http://www.mono-project.com/Tao

thnx

hehehe i have centos too..why do you want fedora people to use centos?i think we are in a fedora channel
u hehehe i have centos too..why do you want fedora people to use centos?i think we are in a fedora channel/u

it's very very difficult to install it with tar, there is autotool for it

shorball, what's the other difference?

i have tried "yum cleann all" but that dosnt fixit, i continue to have "[Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum", i tried installing and erasing "yum-fastestmirror" but is not isntalled, adn yum downt work so i cant install it

shorball, frankly speaking, rhel is based on fedora lately, and centos on rhel, so
if you want a tomcat server hosting to be still updated five years later, it's almost impossible with fedora

damn dynamic IP's

shorball, and i'm sure it's not a fc2 channel, btw
alex[slx], waht about?

yeah that is why from this year i have slowly moved my servers to centos because of the long support

disconnecting me from irssi or losing my nick etc.

alex[slx], sorry
alex[slx], and changing ip's?

anyone know any multimedia player with cover-flip similar to itune , I really miss it any I like it

alex[slx], or just disconnect?

Changing IP
's and the problems it causes

alex[slx], that's bad

Yep, I'm going to get a static one next year.

shorball, so? have you found the solution?

not since yesterday
this box was working for years already since 2004 and the problem occured yesterday only
my last option is to install latest fedora in this box

shorball, without any known change in software?
shorball, how much ram

i have tried "yum cleann all" but that dosnt fixit, i continue to have "[Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum", i tried installing and erasing "yum-fastestmirror" but is not isntalled, adn yum downt work so i cant install it

i mean latest centos 4.* for long support, but as of now i cant cuz i made many bash scripting that i need to backup first (
guzu didnt change anything or upgrade anything in that box

then try to add pciirq=off or similar to kernel

512mb ram
515556k/523456k available (1540k kernel code, 7072k reserved, 599k data, 144k init, 0k highmem)

can i install a Ubuntu distribution using virt-manager on fedora ?

pciirq=off –what does this do?

shorball, enough ram for the job
wait

yeah
have been rebooting this box for almost 10times already since yesterday
but this box has been up for few months or years without rebooting

shorball, maybe some hardware died

I am trying to create a more or less 'hidden' user on my f7 install, but I am having problems.

perhaps this eth0 is malfunctioning
3com nic

ever since i started using rsync to mirror a remote mirror locally, yum provides seems not to work.. is there something wrong with the mirror?

maybe, try another and see

I do the following … "groupadd -g 400 tx; useradd -u 400 -d /home/.tx -g 400 tx"

Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html

yeah, that's the first i've read

hi faceface

Can't open display: :0.0"

hi torbjorn

shorball, http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2002-December/009014.html i meant

with a 'normal' user it works fine

do you have xauth installed?

I create with -g 400 to keep it off the gdm
torbjorn, not sure…

shorball, btw, uname -r

xorg-x11-xauth

Using authority file /home/.tx/.Xauthority

this must be something to do with the gid 500…
I mean uid
for some reason when I log in as this user, I don't get a .xauthXXXXX file

i have tried "yum cleann all" but that dosnt fixit, i continue to have "[Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum", i tried installing and erasing "yum-fastestmirror" but is not isntalled, adn yum downt work so i cant install it. how can i solve this ?

broli, rpm -q yum

guzu yum-3.2.0-1.fc7

broli, rpm -V yum

doenst return anything

I bet there is a simple solution…

anyone have any idea why pidgin will not connect from my home NAT';s network

should I put the user in an X config file somewhere?

good, now download the latest yum from your favourite mirror, then rpm -ivh yum*rpm

but works fine from work on the un NAT's network

guzu this is a known error ? or we are trying to find the solution ?

nb
I mean nm

broli, i am trying to fix it, it's not a known error
broli, the metadata error, appears sometimes but then yum goes to the next mirror etc
yum clean all _not_ fixing this is not an error i've seen

guzu yeah, i had thi issue before, but the clean thingy always worked

brloibtw, your repo's are modified?

guzu i have been doing "yum clean all && yum upgrade" for like an hour or so
guzu havent touched the repo file, exectp to paste the url in firefox to see if its up

as Southern_Gentlem recommends, please use rafb.net/paste to paste your repo there
ok

Is there a way to install Fedora 7 if there's no CD/DVD-drive? (like, installing from USB or from HDD)

did you solve it?

guzu updating yum by hand seems to be a dependency nightmare

rpmdb_status.log

and check it
maybe rpm –rebuilddb
broli, paste your output to rafb/net/pste

i had to download 2 rpms but its working now

broli, paste your output to rafb/net/paste
ok

well, is downloading the sqlite fiels now

report back please

would anyone have any idea why files w/ AC3 audio are quieter than everything else on my new FC7

guzu nope, same problem

broli, paste?

what part ?

im back
0 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux –this is the result of uname

broli, the output of yum
shorball, i see

what do you see?

i see 2.6

i see a very old 2.6

guzu http://www.pastebin.ca/659689

oh ok. ohhh i worked here last nov 26 ,2004 and this was installed last may 8,2004 hehehe

someone is running a 3 year old kernel.. asking to be hax0red

try noapic or pci=routeirq (don't ask ) shorball

yeah very old that's how opensource a very reliable os,without virus/trojan problem unlike winblows
uyeah very old that's how opensource a very reliable os,without virus/trojan problem unlike winblows/u
uyeah very old that's how opensource a very reliable os,without virus/trojan problem unlike winblows/u

heh
unfortunately i still have to put up with windows daily because of the industry i work in

cant be hacked cuz it has no internet connection hehehe

btw, anybody able to install m$ {vista,2008beta} in qemu?

torbjorn, no

but but.. what about the telekenetic hackers! :L

lol

hahaha

what about the cleaning lady?

no ladies in here only tech gays oppps im sorry tech guys rather
uno ladies in here only tech gays oppps im sorry tech guys rather/u

rotfl

that's my no. 1 reason of fedora crashes

wow i have here a backup centos 4.4 and im yum updating it and it will download 238MB …gawdd..it might eat up all my 8hours in here

well afk to play with my mythTV boxes' ATSC tuner

sheezzz

shorball, maybe it's getting openoffice?

hahahah of course not
i installed that without openoffice

I've read about the hardware requirements, but given your usage experiences - 512 mb RAM is enough, right?

that was a centos server 1 cd installer when i downloaded the iso

kny, enough for what?
i remember that cd

that is the only centos installer i have since i started to love centos hehehe

oh, installing/using fedora 7 and the usual programmes, i meant

Yeah, should be fine.

(where usual progs = browser, email, office, pdp++, …)

kny, i've used f7 with celeron/533/320mb of ram but was pretty slow

You could probably get away with less aswell.

kny, so, it will work, but the more ram the bettter

is dhcpd version 3.* something supported or used by fedora or centos?

shorball, dhcp-3.0.5-38.fc7
i have no centos around, please accept my apoligies

cool

guzu, virtualbox or vmware (i like the firsst one)

kvm or zen, assuming you have the virt hardware

broli, what;s virtualbox? it's free?

parallels is another good option
using it on my mac

http://www.virtualbox.org/ — read the puel

JohnMahowald, i see, i have no hardware? it's an pc …

kvm is free-er

brloi, JohnMahowald , zo0MGuy thnx, i'll check
JohnMahowald, afaik kvm and xen in fedora can only install linux, right?

kvm can do windows methinks

broli, thnx let's find out btw, kvm needs no xen kernel?

kvm is already in the linux based hosting services kernel

ok, thnx again

Install virt-manager and away you go
I unfortunately don't have a supported processor

JohnMahowald, what proc do u have?

I'm debating whether I should learn C or Lojban first..

What is Lojban?

A spoken language.
lojban.org

JohnMahowald, qemu-kvm up'n'runnin

a couple AMD 64s a Celeron, misc older Pentiums. How you can tell for yours is in the FAQ http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/FAQ

wow.

alex[slx], I know, right?

why waste time learning a fake language …

hi somebody can giveme some tutorial how to build fedora core from source?

It's not fake

I suppose it depends on what you want to do.

It would probably be "more intelligent" and "look better on a resume" to learn C right now..
But hell — Lojban looks awesome, if I don't like it I'll drop it, heh.

Learn both.

considered trying Haskell? Just by the way.

or learn french, german, chinese, swahili, or whatever.

I'd say C has a more 'immediate' use.
I really want to get into LISP.

Falstius, Lojban peeks my interest more, and easier to learn online (free).

Dj-avu: you want to build the entire thing? several thousand packages would take a very long time to rebuild.

alex[slx], I was going to learn both, just didn't know what to pick up first
And with already knowing Lojban when I learn C, I can comment my code in Lojban
(That was only half-serious)

hi, i am looking for a readymade live-usb image (so that i don't need an installed version of fedora to create a usb live medium) - does this exist?

Which is a completely pointless way to comment code

olpc has those, but fedora?

alex[slx], who asked you? I shall comment my code as I see fit. And the manuals will be written in Lojban, also. :]

I was joking.

JohnMahowald, unfortunately, "my bios is not fully acpi compliant" 2008bet/kvm
betA

get it out of the live CD iso image. there's a tool, isotodisk or something, to do this

JohnMahowald, i want build iso with minimal package.

hello! I'm from Russia and I does install Fedora 7
^)

Dj-avu: install revisor
Dj-avu: then use that to make your own spin

i have no hard disk! does it work anyway?
i just have an 1gb usb stick

normally you give it a usb stick device to write to

yes, but i need a hard disk that has the ISO on it, right? it can't take the booted live cd for that

qemu is based on kvm, right?

other way around
I don't know. There's a disk image in the iso, whether you can access it on the disc while it's booted I'm unsure of.

broli, for virtualbox install do i have to disable selinux

http://kambing.ui.edu/fedora/releases/7/Fedora/i386/os/ i am interested to build cd with minimal pack from here.

yum install /usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk

would anyone give me webspace to upload a fedora7-usbstick.iso f i made one? ,-)

probono, how much space you need

i'd guess roughly around 700gb
maybe 1gb
700mb that is of course

waw
i want create to with minimal package in win*** but i can`t how to build thats

Windows does not have the required tools to rebuild the Fedora install media.

owh sorry,
http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ i am use this link to guide me, is thats true?

Dj-avu: correct. that tool will run on Fedora.

JohnMahowald, thanks, i will try now.

Why do I like KVM so much more than Xen?

'cos you like trolling

the virt-manager treats the two the same so far, but I had hell's own trouble getting an XP image working with Xen, but KVM it "just worked".

hi

don't know didly about virt stuff but don't M$ os's require full virtuallization to work with xen?
ie can't paravirt them

I was using full virt.

does someone work with the enlightenment desktop?

ah
I haven't tried yet not having hd space to use for win
elmarb, work with as in code or use? I've installed e17 from didier's repo to see how it's coming along (works but it's far from finished)

i installed it to, i ehm try to use it, but i also have beryl running
so i don't run it at the moment because i don't know how….

ah… hehe, I don't think raster's a fan of 3d so I don't think there's any support for it in E17

religious warPS2 or Xbox?/religious war

logout and fire up e17 as a temporary session

i've been without net for the last month and a bit and just downloaded 570 megs of fedora 6 updates. now konsole has no window decorations (though everything else does). any idea why?

it says me not to execute the binary i sholud type "enlightenment_start" but this says, meacity is still running, so it can not be launched
*metacity

hi, I have an NTP server on my network and want to auto configure it for my clients

elmarb, yeah… log out to gdm and choose E17 from the available sessions and it'll ask you if you want to make it your default or just use it for this session only

I can do this with Samba (login script) or DHCP, which one should I choose?

lol, meatcity

lol

the server runs Linux/Samba, the clients run windows

I don't like metacity much… to each his own

okay it try thanks

using beryl with gnome mostly here

yes me to

xfce is pretty nice and a bit lighter weight than gnome
xfce works with berly
beryl even

normally but I wanted to test it on fedora because i saw it on elive

DHCP sounds better to me, as it is a host configuration protocol, but whatever works.

brb

well, with active directory/windows you can point your DC to the NTP jboss server hosting and the clients will just pick it up
so that's host configuration too
is it possible to let windows pick up the NTP servers you distribute with your DHCP server?

anyone recommend a Linux+ study guide? If noone does the Linux+ anymore what cert you recommend. We are going to be supporting RHEL and I am looking at atleast the RHCT or the RHCE prolly too.

my volume levels are being reset to some bad defaults every time i log out or reboot — any idea how to make them save? i'm using alsamixer to set them up every time and it's a pain

i had this issue
but with the latest version of kde it is solved

what version of dhcpd does a fedora latest os support?

..6.4-35.fc7

is it using 3.1.0 dhcpd now?

Vinay-29: you're talking to me?

yaa
tremby:

ah, i've just rebooted after updating everything, so i guess i'll wait to see if the problem remains next time i boot up
thanks

RHCE goes well with RHEL as you would expect. I should go for RHCE sometime.

shorball, as far as dhclient, it is v3.0.5 in F7

peters-tx: i have updated selinux recently
i think just 2 days back

Vinay-29, I upgraded yesterday and got "libsepol.expand_terule_helper" and a few other errors during the RPM upgrade
Vinay-29, not upgrade, just a yum update

yaa l always use that

Vinay-29, hmm. Perhaps that's expected? I've not seen it before. Ultimately it said "semodule: Failed!"
uVinay-29, hmm. Perhaps that's expected? I've not seen it before. Ultimately it said "semodule: Failed!"/u
..0.5-38.fc7
shorball, actually yum list dhcp | grep dhcp

Hi All! Anyone can share it's FC7 apt repository?

[Kismet], think so

I do not know if any Fedora 7 apt repositories exist.

peters-tx: thanks.. 3.0.5 dhcpd doesnt support dhcp leasequery yet (

[Kismet], err sorry I confused apt/yum

Yeah, I thought Fedora was off apt

shorball, is that a DHCP server-side thing?

peters-tx: would you mind to share your FC7 yum repository?

Why apt anyway, familiar with it?

[Kismet], http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/7/i386/

peters-tx: yes it's supported 3.1.0 dhcpd version
(

I'm apt lover!! I hate the fact that yum have to connect to internet anytime it perform an operation

[Kismet]: yum -C
[Kismet]: although that is limited in what it can do offline

I'll try it out

Hello
I am trying to setup a kickstart server
and I still have this message at the begining
"You have multiple network devices on this system. Which would you like to install through?"
I've put this in ks.conf
network –device eth0 –bootproto dhcp
but this does not seems to be enough…

Hello,I need help
who is using hp laptop 6515b with F7 running ?

Likely nobody with that exact model. Were you having a problem with it?

not me ))

JohnMahowald, yeah,I have a big problem with it —X server can't start properly with ATI offical driver

ATI's is broken, apply the updates first

and my machine is x86-64 as well as Fedora 7 release 64bit

JohnMahowald,Hi,there is another problem ,it seems that I can't connnect to internet under my Fedora 7,any ideas ?

None. You haven't given any details.

morning

JohnMahowald, er…well ,I am in windows XP now ,and everything is fine ,I mean ,the network connection . But in F7 (x86_64), I can't ping the router and the output of ifconfig shows that ethnet card is not working,so …
*ethernet

what does not working mean, no IP?

anyone know of anything that can remove DRM from .WMA files ???

google is your best friend there

I pay my £10 subscription I should be allowed to play songs on my ipod

i don t know if it is allowed in here to help find drm removal tools

JohnMahowald, yeah
JohnMahowald, no IP ,yes

Old_friend_Pip did you turn dhcp on on your nic?

rossi, I think so

roosi he can ask but it is the answering that can get us in trouble

hmm do you have any way to see if the nic is connected to the switch or router like a led on it?

Southern_Gentlem, Do you get what my problem is ?

Old_friend_Pip, didnt look
Old_friend_Pip, how are you getting your ip

Southern_Gentlem, I use ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.* for eth0

use system-config-network

When I ping the router ,it results "Unreachable"
yeah
I used that but everything seems fine ,DHCP is on

route

when determin buy dedicated ip address for eth0, failed
JohnMahowald, route

i got a problem myself i was playing with xdmcp and i set it to show chooser and now i can t login to my kde no more

make sure you disable dns from dhcp and setyour dns to your isp
Old_friend_Pip, service network reset

Did you try x86_64 of F7 on HP 6515 laptop ?

I have a KVM of XP Pro. All I have is the .iso file and the install is asking for me to insert the installiation disk into the CD-ROM. Anyone know how to do this?

i think fedora has killed winxp…. after trying to boot into win xp i get an error to the likes of "ntldr missing" does this mean i have lost everything that was on the winxp c drive
?

no

tux-nut not necessarily

Southern_Gentlem, OK, back to my main problem ,the X server problem ,I installed ati offical newese driver package ,but still didn't work

tux-nut, try hd0,2

ok thanks
sorry to but in like this
butt

Southern_Gentlem, my videocard is ATI xpress 1270

Old_friend_Pip, look at the ati Hardware compatibility list i think they dropped that card

perlmonke2 use daemon tools to mount image of xp

xpress 1200 series

Also http://rpm.livna.org has much better ATI video packages

they dropped that model ?

check and see i think they did

OK,I thought it is a new card

Old_friend_Pip, also define "didnt work

southern_gentlem i ruined my kde login is there anyway i can fix that from the console?

rossi sorry i know nothing about kde

Old_friend_Pip, it is a better idea to give you the xorg.conf file ,but it is not on windows

rossi create a new account and see if the problem exist there as well

what do you mean by ruining kde login?

hey, guys, i'm trying to use kiba dock, how can i recompile my existing version of cairo with glitz support so that kiba-dock will work?

Old_friend_Pip, define "didnt work"

kc8hfi i played with xdmcp and now i get chooser on the xwindow that won t accept my user and pass

Southern_Gentlem, fatal error singal 11

"didnt work" is not enough to troubleshoot on
ok did you reboot in to runlevel 3 and run system-config-display –reconfig

rno, provide info for the other device too I'd guess

Southern_Gentlem, and there is a backtrace list outof "startx" command showing many items from 0 to 7

try what Southern_gentlem said, create a new account and see if that works. also, are you trying to login as root?

Southern_Gentlem, about /lib64/fglrx_drv.so and something like that

kc8hfi i tried the regular user and root
i would post a screenshot but i don t know how in irc hehe

Old_friend_Pip, answer my question Old_friend_Pip

there is an online pastebin, maybe somebody can link it?

roosi does it mess up as root

X server can't start ,and remains in text-mode environment

kc8hfi, not for screenshots
Old_friend_Pip, ty

Southern_Gentlem, Sorry for my poor language

reboot into runlevel3 as root
cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf

the console logins are ok, right?

get it on the pastebin and come back

well i can see the xwindow but it looks wierd

Southern_Gentlem, I am in windowx XP now, and you can tell me full instructions and I will go back here later soon because I can't use network on F7 as I said, linux can't reach internet for some wried reasons
Southern_Gentlem, And will you see the log file of Xorg ?
*weird

umm how does the paste bin work??

reboot into runlevel3 as root
cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
write it down on a sheet of paper

OK,and I can collect information into USB disk

log back into windows

OK

sorry for disturbing but can we execute system-config-display at runlevel3 ?

the pastebin only works for text, you can paste log files, config files and such there, but no pisctures

OK,see you soon

harder to tell you how to mount the usb device in the long run

oh

anisfarhana, yes

well i changed a setting and now the xserver says choose a host to connect to

is anyone using kiba-dock?

i choose localhost and it showes me a wierd login screen but i can t login
is there a config file where i can change it back to kde login screen

try to login to the gui once, then do a tail /var/log/secure and see what it says

-bash: /var/log/secure: Permission denied

is anyone using kiba-dock?

sorry, forgot to tell you to try that as root

busy ?

i am logged in as root

can you paste the contents of your /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc file into the pastebin?

anisfarhana, always

later then sire…

heh a simple reboot fixed the login issue thnx a lot for pointing that reboot thing out
hmm black screen after login

How do I change my hypervisor from Qemu to KVM with the virt-manager?

Lock table is out of available locker entries, error: cannot open Pubkeys index using db3 - Cannot allocate memory (12), rpmdb: Unknown locker ID: 1c5 …… etc errors while trying to install skype rpm on fedora…. what's wrong?

i'm glad you got it working

âñåì ïîêà. ÿ ñïàòêè

yeah sort of hehe i m stuck in a black window but i think i can figure it out

are you using the skype yum repo?

no.. yum doesn't know about skype
I downloaded from the skype website rpm for fc5
they've the same rpm for fc6 or f7….

http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/repositories.html

can i install of live cd?

yes

sweet

ok i got the local xwindow working but xming still shows me a black window

is there a problem with the latest java in FC6?

the Sun JRE?

johnmahowald yes I have java running on my desktop and my laptop but finaly got the wife to let me put it on her desktop and i cant seem to get java web host to work

you asked the same question 5 times yesterday all with the same answer

page not found on skype.com

works for me
there's nothing wrong with that link

well sorrry
i have live cd in my hands

try reloading ?

not work means what?

doesn't have a job?

means when i go to verify my install i get nothing

poor unemployed Sun JRE

define "verify my install"

How does one verify a Sun JRE?

good thing we don t have to fork out 400$ for a M$ pos

Southern_Gentlem, Hi,I am back!

what are you talking about?

by going to there test page

trying to install using yum now…

you mean the browser plugin isn't working

yes

haveing java installed and having your browser plugin working correctly are 2 different things you know

well since i m poor too i rather use something that works right instead of paying 400$ for a windows os

what im not understanding is i did the same steps on this desktop as i did on the last two installs

where is the system log stored in F7?

wherever it is configured to in /etc/syslog.conf

http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/java-i386/

thankls

Southern_Gentlem, Hello,thank you very much for help , and this is the log file of Xorg after I installed ATI offical driver package !
http://rafb.net/p/VnSisQ53.html

is this a x86_64 bit machine by chance?

thanks for the repo… i think its installing

what "system logs" are you looking for exactly?

no 32 bit

browser is what, firefox?

Southern_Gentlem, And this is the Xorg.conf file before installing ATI offical driver package :http://rafb.net/p/je7NfY38.html

JohnMahowald yes

does it appear in the list when you visit about:plugins ?

all i did was a basic install of 6 since theres so many updates on it now plus cant seam to find the live cd for 7
yes
oh what no dont have an about plugins

JohnMahowald, could you help me with above information ?
Southern_Gentlem, there you there ?

I'm not helping install the official ATI release, only packages from http://rpm.livna.org

but than neather does this system and its working fine on this one

JohnMahowald, OK,and can you analysis my Xorg.log file ?

All firefox installs I've ever used on any platform have an about:plugins location, it's where I see it what are loaded

http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/ati-yum-livna/

no

if you've installed ati's binary from their page .. good luck
need to know if you can install fedora from the live cd again?

JohnMahowald, thank you all the same
opsec, I see!

well im not seeing it i got an about mozilla firefox over in the help tab but thats it

opsec nope

how about how to use the sha1sum .. need to know about that again?
afterall .. you only asked 20 something times yesterday

http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:plugins

dah forgot about that
k did it on the wifes system and java is the first thing that comes up
java plug-in 1.6.0_02

yeah sorry to many ? same as same wahen cant find it then two many

did you look at the java link i gave you jtravnick ?
http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/java-i386/
what?

opsec yes and thats what i did when i installed it

sha1sum might be esier from inside fedora

i use sha1sum from on top of mt. fuji

i asked to many ? and iam dexlic so my spell my sent are hard sometimes to figure out

but might just reinstall fC and start from scratch

OK,see you later!

you're speech does not look dyslexic .. it looks like you can't speak english

oh

if i could find the live cd for 7 than i would start with that

ftp://mirror.anl.gov/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Live/i386
i guess actually *using* the browser is a whole other thing..

no been all over fedoras wiki for the last hour and only links i was coming up with was for the dvd

it took me less than 30 seconds
sometimes i don't mind doing other peoples work for them… it's when they ask me 20 times to do the same thing i get a little bit pissy

Someone awhile ago mentioned a way to get free fedora discs delivered…was that a hoax? and if not, where do I go?

yeah some dumb folk like me ask that cause they don't understand i aint to smart

well maybe im blind than couse i couldnt find it when i hit download all it would give me was the dvd

fedoraproject.org or getfedora@fedoraos.org

for me?

follow the instructions on fedoraproject.org or send your information to getfedora@fedoraos.org

Why is it not recommended to upgrade the Fedora Core version using yum?

because things may break

Ok…looks like they're closed

if it's a remote system then i would not attempt it

Interesting story:

what are you talking about?
closed? who?

I installed fedora core 1, but the kernel was buggy so I swapped it out and installed the kernel from RHE 3

It's a local laptop system which's running an unmodified FC5 install.

Oh, closed? THe media center has reached its quota of 100 so I have to wait for next month.

i gave you 2 options

bittorrent download fedora, its not that bad that way

I don't have internet at home…and internet here sucks…

getfedora@fedoraos.org does not have a limit of 100

I have a 256 MB flash drive but that's about it as far as sneakernet goes :/

no idea what you're going on about

Oh, forgot about fedoraos.org. Lemme look
So do I just send an email to getfedora@fedoraos.org?

i don't know .. scroll up and actually read our conversation

fedoraproject.org and fedoraos.org look like two different urls…are those sites affiliated?

never heard of fedoraos.org

fedoraproject.org is official, fedoraos.org is a community site

scrolling up didn't really help, and I don't want to be rude by just saying "gimme a disk" to fedoraos

http://fedoraos.org/repositories.html
top upper left corner

you need to send them your mailing address and such and request a cd

for me?

follow the instructions on fedoraproject.org or send your information to getfedora@fedoraos.org

ok.
thanks.
What's the latest STABLE version?
I have an athlon (686 equivalent) with 256 MB ram

just so you know that can leave a system unbootable if you're not careful
Fedora 7 is latest

So you imply that they're all stable?
I've had the fedora 1 kernel oops during an interrupt handler, which made it panic . Had to switch to the Redhat Enterprise 3's kernel package

that depends on your definition of "stable", then" doesn't it?

my horses are in a stable

thanks. Following: http://www.ioncannon.net/system-administration/99/upgrade-fc5-to-fc6-with-yum/ and http://www.ioncannon.net/linux/68/upgrading-from-fc6-to-fedora7-with-yum/ .

By stable I mean it won't crash. THe aforementioned kernel panic is exactly what I *don't* want.

your horses run linux?

Fedora 1? That was three years and six releases ago.

this is fedora 7 .. fedora core 1 has not been supported in 3 years?

I get whiskey for my men and beer for my horses

I've never had F7 crash *shrug*

yeah, which is exactly why I'm here getting the info I need for upgrade.

Panic trying to segfault the handler

the stock market crashed in 1918 .. does that mean that todays stock market s worthless?

ah…so it probably got fixed then?

nah, why would anyone fix it?
the same rpms are just repackaged over and over .. i still use linus' first kernel myself

this is what live CDs are for, to test things… but of course the live doesn't do mp3

you can install mp3 support on the livecd if you want
but the mp3 format itself has nothing to do with the kernel crashing

My guess is that there was a kernel fault during an interrupt handler.
It oopsed, and tried to segfault the current process, which in turn caused a kernel panic because you can't kill an interrupt handler.

regardless - a) why would you be playing mp3s from the commandline anyway? and b) as I've said, I've never seen F7 crash at all, nor have I seen any reports of playing music making people's systems crash

I'm a command line junkie
that's why
….btw, who'se bright idea was it to put penises in the xscreensaver package?

has anybody experienced any issues with fc7 x86_64 and cedega?

oh wait…fedora 1 nevermind

??
well Ubuntu featured nude people
so

i just installed fedora 7…when i changed screen resolution to 1280*1024 only a small box moves around….now i m not able to use fedora..how to solve this??

ganes1, what do you mean by "only a small box moves around" ? Is it green?

Try running redhat-config-xfree86
I'd suggest conservative values
if that doesn't work, then you can modify /etc/X11/XF86config.

instead of redhat-config-xfree86 .. use system-config-display

(I think? Assuming basic structure hasn't changed much)

redhat-config-xfree86 - ancient

peters,a small yellow colored box moves ….nothing else…

um…yeah, what he said

and the config is not /etc/X11/XF86config.. but /etc/X11/Xorg.conf

Eh? Why did XFree86 go bye-bye?

xorg with a small x btw

as opposed to "The X Consortium"?

i just seen this woman, shes gotlong dark hair and brown eyes, VERY hot. she must be new here

s|"/etc/X11/Xorg.conf"|"/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

xfree86 went bye bye because of licensing
iirc

even log in screan is not coming….

oops, sorry about that, wrong tab

anything specific about the licensing? I thought xfree86 was under the MIT license…

has anybody experienced any issues with fc7 x86_64 and cedega? or any codec issues, im just trying to determine if i want to install that version or the i386 one

Shentino, and the MIT license s not open source

ok! i want to run windows in a window within linux since some programs i need don't work in wine. what do i need to look up?

virtual PC?

vmware

thanks

I'm glad you t ried with wine first

oh, i love wine

Anyway, thanks yall for the info on fedora 7. I got an order placed.

tremby, xen can do it too I hear

peters-tx, have you tried it

virt-manager for running other operating systems

Southern_Gentlem, not personally, but the Novell guy at linuxworldexpo had an impressive demo
Southern_Gentlem, I understand it is stable atm

windows on Xen?? ..

peters-tx, all depends on the hardware and the admin doing it

KageSenshi, yes

iirc .. only certain processors able to do that

hardware shouldn't matter ultimately
but hardware can make stuff run faster

but in this case .. hware matters

the admin makes a big difference in how stuff runs..

coz running windows in Xen requires a particular feature in the proc

unfortunately, Citrix bought Xensource… http://www.xensource.com

oh well we have kvm

KageSenshi, I'll have to take your word for it
KageSenshi, I have no experience

hmm, I thought symantec wa after a virtualization company also..

if u dual boot on pc with u network conection does u have to re doo it to second os
if u dual boot on pc with u network conection does u have to re doo it to second os

JohnMahowald, yes I've heard of KVM but I've got no experience w/ that either and know little about it. URL ?
snowbird, not likely

peters-tx: http://kvm.qumranet.com/

I think it sucks that citrix got xensource, citrix is a big POS

JohnMahowald, ty
oh hey, there's Bochs too 8D

any ideas on a good firewall manager (iptables or anything out) that will aid in configuring firewall rules, NAT, but also traffic shaping?

firestarter

KVM appears to use hardware functionality too for virtualization

hey guys… friend installed the livna fglrx kmod and everything else, livna-config-display is not running properly

ixion_uk, go to freshmeat and enter "firewall" or "iptables" into search; there are a few

new running shoes perhaps?

ta

lol

Can someone tell me if theres a howto for "enable rtc" in the kernel?

ixion_uk, http://freshmeat.net

do you know of any that are actually easy to use lol its all well and good downloading them one at a time and trying but it sure is the long way around

can't open file 'livnaConfigClient.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory

ixion_uk, I'd look at the "popularity" of the tools; there was one that was supposed to be very friendly but I don't remember which 8(

k, cool, thanks neway
er wtf anyway lol
that actually turned out quite well… that typo

yum remove livna-config-display; yum install livna-config-display

well.. as typos go

ixion_uk, Mason perhaps

thats what i was thinking too, so had her try that
and it repeats
so im thinking its a new rpm that has a glitch in it

check livnas bugzilla

peters-tx: Popularity: 0.48% ??

forgot they had one, ty openbysource
bah. opsec

ixion_uk, "Firewall Builder" ?

wtf does 0.48% mean lol
yeah

is primary.sqlite.bz2 gets downloaded again from start if there is a network interruption while running yum

Hi guys

ixion_uk, 17.95% for that one

how can I open the 81 port on the firewall?

An automated firewall builder for ipfwadm or ipchains firewalls. ?

ixion_uk, I use VIM for my firewall builder

im seeing 0.48% lol

system-config-securitylevel

Can someone tell me if theres a howto for "enable rtc" in the kernel?

done

peters-tx I can just about deal with vim for firewall rules and nat.. but not traffic shaping

ixion_uk, no no check out that "Firewall Builder" — http://kvm.qumranet.com/

system-config-securitylevel

ixion_uk, oh hmm not sure about the shaping 8D

done and then

you're not getting a hand holding

has anybody experienced any issues with fc7 x86_64 and cedega? or any codec issues, im just trying to determine if i want to install that version or the i386 one

on the Other ports field, what have I write?

i use gdog for fire wall

stim, last i checked, cedega wasnt x64 compatible

click add, type in the port number and select protocol
I use the windowsfirewall!! hehehe
sorry, off topic

peters-tx,when i reboot it shows all booting information but instead of login screen a small box comes…can u give me d solution??

er peters-tx did you intend to link me to http://kvm.qumranet.com/ ??
found it on freshmeant
was a bit confused there for a bit lol

so, http:8080 right?

ixion_uk, oops no must be my clipboard doh

it is possible to have 2 subnet mask on 1 server ?

in short yes

anisfarhana, yes

anisfarhana, no but you can route to different subnets easily

interesting..

peters-tx, umm, thats not true. how many nics are available?

u'll need one ip address per subnet

theres alot more to it than a simple no

ganesh, you will have to boot into runlevel 3 at the beginning, where it does the countdown to boot–GRUB

hmm, no. system-config-securitylevel, click add, type in port, and select the protocol

daemoen, that is true

ls-als /lib/modules/2.6.22.1-41.fc7/kernel/drivers/rtc

let say if i have 3 NICs , 1st nic - internet/gateway , 2nd nic = subnet mask 10.2.*.* , 3rd nic = 192.168.*.* , possible ?

daemoen, in other words I agree

anisfarhana yes

anisfarhana, provided each of them is on the proper ip range, yes

myrefef

but, you cannot for instance put 1 single nic (eth0 for instance) on 2 different subnets

hmm..then how to 192.168.*.* get the internet connection from hmm…let say the gateway is 10.2.1.2…how ?

eh?

:-S

anisfarhana, right now, i cant walk you through configuring an entire network, i dont have the time today

that is okey

hang on, thats broken in f7. looking up command on how to do it

#networking

ls -a

ok thx..will go there

you just said that the internet was on nic 1, why would the gateway be on the same ip seubnet as nic 2 ?

Specify additional ports in the form 'service:protocol', such as 'imap:tcp'.

nic1 route to nic2 and im using 10.2 range ip address

and are you using a firewall ?

ls: /lib/modules/2.6.22.1-41.fc7/kernel/drivers/rtc: No such file or directory

if you want to open 8080 .. select https

so if I would like to open the 8080 how have I to write?

because its more likely to be a firewall that would stop you than your networking config

actually im using IPCOP as the firewall

and for the 81?

then i'd say you deleted it .. or someone did

presuming ofcourse you have setup the networking for the 192. subnet ?

not yet

i have an official fedora kernel .. and those modules are there

and this IPCOP… is this another box to the one you want to setup ?
or are you trying to add this 192. network to the IPCOP box?

opsec every thing i read says its not enabled by default.

no , i want to put it together , actually i want 192 for the wifi AP
yes , i want to add 192 , special for AP only

anisfarhana… do you want to add 192 to the IPCOP server?

yes
currently i have green + red

http://rafb.net/p/3pMgiT70.html

might be orange for 192

has the IPCOP ineterface not detected this additoinal NIC ????
anisfarhana.. that would sound right

i don't say that , i even not try it yet , i just want to study it first

if I would like to open a non standard port like the 81 what I have to write there?

I used IPCOP years ago… but as far as I remember.. you stick the NIC in, give it an ip address/subnet via the interface and setup the rules and away you go

please look at system-config-securitylevel .. click on "other ports"

opsec it dont work

?

yeah i know about it , i just wonder how 192 (orange) to get internet connection from red interface

and then??

hi

claude_monet_imp, click "Add"

IPCOP will NAT the traffic, in the same way that it does from the 10. network to the internet at the moment

opsec system-config-secuirylevel firewall configuration has been borked since day one in f7

there is no Add button!

peters-tx,there are many options in boot menu..but what is runlevel 3

mine works fine
not a single problem

ok , if i put AP on 192 , does it still can access to network 10. ?

opsec untill you reboot

iptables -A INPUT -p tcp –dport 81 -j ACCEPT

ganesh, you will have to Edit the Kernel line, and append a "3" to the end of the line. Then boot

only if you allow it in the IPCOP configuration

my second f7 computer looses the ability to use swap (at least in runlevel 5)

rules

service iptables save

at first , i wanna put AP on 10 , but for the security's sake , i can't do that , might be wifi's user can access to "Windows Workgroup" at my office place

ganesh, it won't fix your problem but will get you in a mode where you can fix it

scratch that they are there.. i didnt look for my kernel dir… but how do i enable it ?

doesn't works!

ok…i ll try…

to add tcp port 8080, iptables -A INPUT -m state –state NEW -m tcp -p tcp –dport 8080 -j ACCEPT

guys, system-config-firewall works fine for me in F7

GTK, QT ?

I just added a port "5555" on mine… no problem

not even sure of the context Im afraid
it just says one is the GTK client and the other is the QT client ?

there is no row for the 81 port in the "/etc/sysconfig/iptables"

try this:

conclusion is , 192 can be under one apache geronimo server hosting (IPCOP)….correct ?

watch the chain, I put INPUT, you might not wanna put it ethere

not sure what you mean by "one server" but im sure you can do whatever it is you are trying to accomplish

strange thing

peters-tx, no one said s-c-firewall

i have 1 IPcop here , which is green running on 10. and i want orange running on 192 , but both of it get the internet connection from red interface..possible ?

YES

great! thx for your information )

i'm new to fc5 and have a question. is there any packet browser like aptitude or deselect on debian?

ipcop

oh uh , one more thing..i hope orange cannot access to green interface..hopefully sire

anisfarhana… by default, I dont think so

peters-tx, the problem we are seeing is that its gone when you reboot

unless i dmz green and orange..i think they can access into it

MrParity, one FC5 is EOL and off topic for this channel

VileGent, Hmmmm I'll check that

please upgrade to fc7

VileGent, I don't see how–it made an entry in /etc/sysconfig/iptables

MrParity, do you mean package manager?

are you still there?

i can't upgrade to fc5, because it is a test environment for a fc5 server
i can't upgrade to fc7

MrParity, that seems very dumb to be building a test bed for a release that is not getting any more updates

VileGent, ooops sorry you were talking about "securitylevel" ! doh
VileGent, 8(
I get too distracted… sigh

an FC5 server is nothing more than a target for compromise

I installed wireshark using yum install wireshark
it installed successfully… but now it is :command not found…. whereis wireshark doesn't report any binary too

"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.

i think yum is the packagemanager (or a frontend for it). i want to have an (curses) interface where packages are in categories, where i can search and sort the list and somethink like that.

we will not help you with FC5

yes, but as long as the server won't be updated i can not change.

http://pastie.caboo.se/88338

the server needs to be upgraded - PERIOD

Nothing of what zcat says works… i cannot find where yum installed wireshark!!

I would like open the 81 port is it correct? http://pastie.caboo.se/88338

rpm -ql package

if it would be my server i would install debian, so telling me to upgrade the server is not very usefull

So persuade them to install Debian, we don't care.

Wireshark

install debian, install kubuntu, gentoo we don't care

no… not found in the menu

we will also not support you with running an insecure version of Fedora
we are to busy dealing with stupidity like claude_monet_imp

rpm -ql shows a lot of files… but none of them looks to be executable… none of them resides in bin or sbin etc…

I don't see why people use gentoo for servers… you have to compile your updates and that affects the performance of the server
unless they prepackage

thank you EvilBob
and MrParity

look at the files in /usr/sbin/

you may want the wireshark-gnome package installed

ok.. installing wireshark-gnome now

I would like open the 81 port is it correct? http://pastie.caboo.se/88338

yeah "yum search foo"
cat /etc/redhat-release

I have a Fedora 7 not a RED HAT!
are you there?

then paste "rpm -q kernel" to http://rafb.net/paste
just do what is asked

cat /etc/fedora-release then, same thing

How do I know the chmod ??? of an file?

oh, "and MrParity" ?
what do you mean?

ls -l

maybe i missed something

Anyone know how to add a cd-rom to a Qemu VM using the virt-manager?

you had an EL kernel the other day and swore you didn't *shrugs*

cat /etc/redhat-release
then paste "rpm -q kernel" to http://rafb.net/paste

kernel-2.6.21-1.3194.fc7 - kernel-2.6.22.1-41.fc7

drwxrwxrwx - but I like to get the 777 output

are ok?

useless

those looks like fedora kernels

totally useless

but you didn't do what bob asked you

I am done

I told you that I have a Fedora 7

which is frustrating

I did not ask that

when you don't follow instructions of people trying to help you, it's disrespectful
and the likelihood of them helping you in the future is diminished

I don't understand what's the problem

scroll up and look at what EvilBob asked of you

cat /etc/redhat-release = Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)

ls has many options, but that doesn't seem to be one of them

ok now i know this is realy a dumb question but im having a brain freaze but whats the comand to get the checksum from a file downloaded??

I don't think there are other things to do
right?

sha1sum file

you now know the kernel and the distribution of the linux that I have installed

download the file itself and the SHA!SUM into a directory by themselves.. then run bobs command

Jim did you get any of the storms tuesday?

dah i was putting in sha1checksum thanks bob

so I would like open the 81 port is it correct? http://pastie.caboo.se/88338

bob nope no rain here fact its so dry i let the dog out yesterday and two trees where fighting over him

LOL
we finally got some rain here in the last week
problem was that it came down so fast it hardly got to soak in

keeps going south of us

Clear, Humidity: 25, Temp: 103°F / 39°C

i let my rotweller out hes 180 pounds
came home with kitty in his moth kitty had bow on and note

yeah at least it is not that hot here

old cat died i dont know who to thank only that its not stolen

do you even speak english?

yeah english

been hot up here not as bad as down south but bad for up here

looks like you just take a dictionary and type in random words to me

I have not been in my office in months, way to hoot in there
hot

old cat died i dont know who to thank only that its not stolen

old kitty pased away and dog brought new kitty home

haha wow haven't been on IRC in years… quick Q… what packages provides me with the locale files? e.g. /usr/share/locale/en/LC_NUMERIC etc for different langs?

new kitty had note stuck into collar

where we lived before we moved up here got flooded out last week they where taking them out in boats

daemoen, ?

so here i am burning 7 live cd is there anything i need to know when i go to install it?

my f7 is no longer mounting swap. is this a known issue?

let me know how it goes.
had to re burn mine

hello
i just installed fedora 7 as my very first *nix based system

_Ergo_, cheers

and i wonder if there is any tool to configure NAT ?

(you need a proxy or what?)
*hm*

Hiya.

no funny GUI to configure NAT, afaik, sorry.

or do i have to edit things by hand ?
by hhand
k, thanks

NAT is a 3 command line thing

i have my notes on installing true type fonts, java, flash, realplayer, adobe and a few other things will those notes work with 7?

probably, but first i have to find some howtos i dont have any experience with linux

it was a mistab completion openbysource

daemoen, oh np

Anyone know if MIRC is still aroud and if it works /w Fedora?

mirc is a windows program

i use mirc

shame on you.

i mean xchat

use xchat, irssi, bitchx, ninja, kvirc .. or something else

can be wine under fedora if am not mistaken

snowbird, /j ##windows

hmm pindgin and irc work fine for me….

pidgin also works

btw. the first thing pidgin did …. was erasing my buddy list from server for my national IM :/ not good

Using xchat too. Okie. Honestly, this is the first time I've ever used unix.

this isn't unix

how do u make a buddy list in ksirc

fedoraproject.org
also, if you're new here, please take the time to read /topic

Fedora, sorry. First time using xwindows type stuff. First time outside of windows.
uFedora, sorry. First time using xwindows type stuff. First time outside of windows./u
I haven't gotten to it yet in the faq, but I was wondering how you would check to see what hardware is installed? The equivilent of device manager?

there is hardware compt checker at home

hal-device-manager

Is that in the gui by default? Or how would I go about accessing it?

do I have to do anything special to make apache serve up .css files at webpages rather than text files ??

..css files are text files

hmm, this thing ive installed, im supposed to access it as a webpage.. but all thats in there is this css files and some php files… but the php files arent doing much…

php installed?

hwbrowser

yeah…

he left…

the css file has all this stuff in it that looks like its supposed to be making a webpage

restarted httpd since doing so?

JohnMahowald yea

I assume css means cascading style sheet

me 2
this thing has f-all documentation
do I have to do anything special to make apache serve up .css files at webpages rather than text files ??
oops
lol

no

body {background colour #2343 etc etc stuff
so its obviously supposed to be a webpage

css isn't the content itself, just styles to apply to other pages…

ixion_uk, .css is like any html file
ixion_uk, wait a sec, there is a mime-type for it…
ixion_uk, in /etc/mime.types … "text/css css"

what is this application?

supposed to manage traffic shaping

ixion_uk, which app

http://blog.4th.ro/project/routeit

_Ergo_, firestarte can help you with nat afaik
firestarter

thanks :]

np

ixion_uk, "grep -i css /etc/mime.types"

css files apply styles to html pages
you don't browse them directly

peters-tx: ive found the bit you mentioned… and yeah it says what you said text/css

you make references to the style sheets in the html file(s)

its hard to copy and paste accross… but I have what you have

what page are you trying to view for what purpose?

http://blog.4th.ro/files/routeit-0.4.tar.bz2 — in there is a directory called web… thats supposed to be the web interface
ah hangon.. theres a sub dir

view the php files

php does nothing but give errors.. php errors

how do I delete an symbolic link?

not the css .. i'm sure the css is referenced in the php files to provide styles
unot the css .. i'm sure the css is referenced in the php files to provide styles/u
well, then you have a php config problem

clars, just like any reg file… rm

clars, same way you delete any file

ok well thanks.. gotta shoot
ill try this some other time

is there a place that lists all the ports that ispconfig runs on?

did you actually read INSTALL from the bzip file?

i'll try it

it's reading the line break as a space and your current styles aren't ignoring it

So your images may have been located at images/… [domon]

works on my machine, I downloaded your html

as opposed to styles/images/….

solid

they are in styles/images for sure

thanks for your help rareedge

it won't affect any other browsers. it's an IE speciifc issue. the only pain in the ass is needing ot have those lis on one line

[domon]: No, not the images.

the absolute URL works

that's sorta what i expected

Your stylesheet. Is your stylesheet in /styles ?

you're welcome

yea

ie is retarded like this

oh right
haha

[domon]: That's what I'm saying
your URls should be images/…
not styles/images/…

ahhhhhh
thanks

if you care to save some bits and bytes, you can switch it from an absolute to that format instead
images/…

yea
which means it takes less time to load

Yeah, it should be negligible but you never know

i mean…i know it's negligible

Doesn't hurt to make your code beautiful

but it does all add up

code should always be beautiful

I agree

Agree too

me three!
brbz

How do I get rid of the natural extra space in a li?

perhaps it's caused by extra whitespace

What's the fix?

remove extra whitespace
alternatively it could involve the margin/padding/border properties

hmm
how would i get rid of the whitespace?

delete it from the HTML
/lili
instead of
/li

li

oh
that kind of whitespace
that's not what's causing it
I get a space character
For no reason

then try border/padding/margin

On every lia

there is always a reason.

It's not border/padding/margin
it goes away
if i use float
but when i use float

block; on the "a"

inline;

center, would it be position absolute center, what is the syntax?

hi. as !important is now a valid syntax for IE7, what could I use instead to fix some css bugs with IE7 ? Thanks

you want the whole div to be centered or the contents of the div?

left;

rareedge, it would prolly appera the same in this case, if you would could you show me both

just apply background-color to the ul

(it's an IE bug)

Google "conditional comments"

to center the div, give it a width (required) and then use margin: 0px auto;
to center the div's contents, just use text-align: center;

I know about conditional comments, but it is only something we can put in the html code, and not in the css, or am I wrong?

Sorry, brb again.

display auto doesn't do anything.

oops, I meant overflow: auto;
sorry about that

rareedge, thank you

you're welcome

Okay, sorry.

ah
It fixed firefox too
Thank you rareedge

tyoma71:no worry I just need to find a new hack which will work in IE7 as well and that I can put just in the css

Well, here's one thing I would suggest.

0 5 4 9px; what is the order for those, like top left right bottom?

While conditional comments are in the markup itself, you could have within the conditional comments the use of a particular class or ID or what have you that is defined in your CSS stylesheet.

top right bottom left

I am not sure if the old tricks, silithlas , of using * and _ and whatnot still work with IE7. I suspect they don't. What problems are you having that you need a hack-around for IE7?

ivx:clockwise

silithlas, thanks

tag for an IE7-specific supplemental stylesheet.

yep, clockwise starting from the top

my problem is that when I put in an article a picture with float:right, the pictures look weird in IE and go on top of the right margin, it goes too far to the right, strange

Btw is there any programs that would launch a browser for me in a specified resolution, eg 1024×768. Problem is I'm using a 22" widescreen monitor @ 1650 x 1050 and I'm pretty sure it's only a minority with this kind of resolution.

using Firefox, you can do this with the Webdevelopers Toolbar

tag to an ie7.css supplemental stylesheet or something to correct this.

there's a similar toolbar for IE

OKay.

can I put two stylesheets in my head section, and the second one will go "after" the first one?

Yes, you can do that.

I'll try then

And if you only want the 2nd one to be picked up by IE7, then just put it inside a conditional comment.

too bad there's nothing we can do just inside the css

Yeah, well, CSS hacks are supposed to be a thing of the past now with IE7.
Conditional comments are probably a better way to do it anyway.

I'll do, thx )

At least they're intended rather than trying to take advantage of some bug in IE's parser.

what is fun is that IE7 fixes the !important bug, but they did not fix the css bugs so now IE7 still has bugs but nothing to be able to fix them inside css

Go figure, right?

mmm? didn't understand

If I set the width attribute of a div, should paragraph text not automatically wrap at that width?

Unless you have overflow: hidden;, in which case a really long line (like a URL) may just get cut off.

tyoma71, in that case, my page is doing weird stuff. I shall investigate, thanks.

Sure.

is it possible to change that blue color when mouse over a drop down list ?

that's a system color, I don't believe so unless you draw your own dropdown box from scratch (using divs and such)
actually, I think I'm wrong

I'm pretty sure that's a selected item color within the OS, not something you can alter unless you do as you said and create your own box.
I believe it's Selected Items on Windows 95-XP (maybe Vista, I have never used it).

hmmm … that's not good

On OS X it's Highlight Color.
You MAY be able to change it in the same way people used to (still do?) change the scrollbar colors.
But I don't know anything about how to do that.

i once did it with a c++ script

yea, now I'm interested… trying it

i think it is possible with css too

It may be. I don't know. I've never done it nor have I seen it done.
But that doesn't mean it's not possible!

you can change the background color of non-selected options
but the selected option is set by the OS

Mm.

unless you draw the entire thing by hand, divs, javascript, etc
then you can do whatever the hell you like

Yuck

i've looked a bit online …. cant seem to find a specific enough answer, any thought? I'm interested in knowing if its better to set your font in the * {} … or in your body {} … if you want every element to be a certain family.

I don't know that it's better or worse to do one or the other, but I would put it in the body tag.

i just read that it is possible to change the scrollbar color .. but it works only on IE … so …. that sucks

that don't inherit font properties

yeah i was thinking that too, didnt know if lieek … IE ignored * maybe in some cases

yea, that's an IE-only thing

oh cool, i suppose i can use it in both just in case

hehe, when in doubt, use both

god knows i'm not a css guy and not up on all the quirks and hacks you guys use to make things work
much thanks for the info "

oh
btw
i remembered i have a problem with IE on a site

IE _is_ the problem

http://www.severpress.ro - in the bottom of the page there are several pictures which are not shown … can anyone tell me why ?

can someone help me sexify a form?

i don't think it's css valid … not even xhtml

[domon]: http://www.formassembly.com/form-garden.php
I tried to look at serverpress.ro but it's taking 200 years to load

We are loked to ie @ school.

hmm

that's unfortunate

here it loads pretty fast
what connection do you have ?

cable

oh

usually get about 500-600k down

it's severpress.ro
not severpress
*server

okay, I see it in FF
are the images missing in IE

yeah

rather, which images?

you shouls see a line instead of an image
*should

okay, it's loading in IE
very, very slowly

in the bottom of the page .. under the rss feeds … there are some images with some politicians

ahhh I see
width="auto" doesn't work in IE
you should really resize those images with a graphics program rather than in the browser
if you must, you can use percents to get your desired effect
width="40%" height="40%"
that'll keep them in proportion

hmmm

I don't endorse that solution though they should really be resized properly

yeah .. i know .. but sometimes there is not enough time to do that

if you can't use percents, you could try height="*" but I'm not sure how IE/FF will be with that.

i've never heard or seen that method

Me either.

it's an old IE thing. it may not even work anymore

Here's hoping it doesn't!

I assume that FF will just ignore it
haha or to be reaaaally IE-specific, you could use expressions in your CSS to figure out the proper size of the image

has to finish today

expressions ?

yuck

he seem su be unaware of fact that css is static

IE will process javascript INSIDE of CSS files

you cant do math or logic
at least not directly
use your js externally

Is this still true with IE7?

i have a radiobox on the right of it a select box with 5 entries. how can i make it so that they are aligned at the top and not at the bottom?

oh that may be, I've never actually used them

i.e the select box should grow down not grow up

aton`: you can't control the direction that the select box draws its menu

thanks

aton`: it's going to grow where ever the OS says it can

haha

well not a menu

I would avoid expressions… it was more of a joke

Indeed

but the select box itself, i have size=5
so its fixed size
there is nothing popping up

Yes, that says how many items will show at once
oh, it doesn't draw at all?

yes it draws
but bottom-aligned with the radiobox
i need it to be top-aligned
otherwise it looks awful
at it looks like this:
check radio
check
ah no, this is what it should look like
but it looks like:
check
check radio
s/check/select/

check

can I get a bass check?

BOOM BOOM BOOM

aton`: I'm not really sure without seeing it

one second
http://aton.packetdropped.org/dd/fachauswahllayout.html
see the select boxes next to the thema and klausur radioboxes
they are on the same line but grow up instead of down

ohhhhh
try setting the vertical-align property of the containing div
vertical-align: top;

good idea

it's not drawing down, per se
it's just drawing and everything aligns to the bottom

rareedge, thanks

aton`: you're welcome

rareedge, doesnt work :/

You could use a table then put those things in cells and vertical-align: top; I know that'll work

Boo

i added vertical-align:top to the div id=abfrageinhalt

there's probably an equally crafty way to do it without tables
I'm just not willing to figure it out with your code

i'd like to avoid tables

the world should avoid tables, unless eating

is my code that bad?

no, I just can't figure it out right now

besides the language that you dont understand

haha
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=VerticalAlign
I forgot that vertical-align doesn't apply to block-level elements

hm
could i use something else than div
?

not sure why you would

to use vertical align?

one sec
you could try a span

just cruise through these results. there's bound to be a solution there somehwere http://www.google.com/search?q=align%20vertical%20css

i could use a
http://www.css4you.de/example/vertical-align.html
rareedge, thanks but i can use google myself

sorry, just trying to help
I liked that bunch of results
oh actually… I'm signed on to google so my results would be totally different than yours
so that didn't make much sense to send

rareedge, it works now
not the containing div but the selectbox itself has to have vertical-align

oh sweet

is there a possibility to fit the selectboxes width to its contents width?

I don't think so

oh yes, by setting margin on the option tags inside the selectboxes
oh no doesnt work :/
it makes the options go off each other but not the box
yes it works
cool

maybe some one will have any usefull ideas
case is ..

ideas for?

i have a list , were if i add elements it at the begining grows up, but if element-count is larger then 5, it starts to expland below
any thouhgt on realization ?

oh no, still no good ideas

lol
that why i took my time to slowly tell .. there is noone usefull online at the moment
=P

someday, I hope to be useful

easy .. month or two in this channel while solving problems and you will be there

I am in need of a proficient javascript / ajax programmer, Is there a good help-wanted board for javascript developers?

ul.secondary a.active
and ul.secondary a:active

a.active means a class="active"

that is active"

(ie being clicked)

humm being clicked… ok.. so for the selected one (the current page for example, it'a a.active

what do you mean?

- it's no special option

I'm having trouble adding bullets to links I have (one for all, one for 'active' and the other for 'hover'
all and hover are working ok but the active does not work

You know what active means?
:P

well I want to change the color of the bullet for the selected tab
maybe it,s not active that I'm looking for then…

Probably not.

should be a special colour?

yeah something like that.. I'm using some tabs and I have three bullets, one for 'hover" the other is "default"…those two work fine
I need another one when the user is on a active tab

You need to define a special class or id for that, and add it manually on the a.
There's no way to do it automatically (well - without scripting)

http://www.geekomatik.com/home
seems to me that the classes are there, not sure how to call them

Nope, they've got 1 unique class for each link (which is pretty stupid)

what do you mean

I mean there's no way to tell which is the "active" page from those classes.

how can i style an image hosting using another button?

humm I thought I could just select a.active in my tabs css

hi how do i increase the spacing between my link's text and the line underneath it?

margin-bottom?

i'm referring to the actual link's underline

he
*hey

ah… I doubt there is a reliable cross-browser way to do that

a {text-decoration: none; padding-bottom: 10px; border-bottom: 1px solid blue;}
padding-bottom: 1px; looks proper
in fact even leaving out padding-bottom works just fine. it adds just a little gap which is exactly what i wanted
a {text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px solid blue;}
thanks anyway. cheerio

Hi guys. I define two sets of styles for paragraph, based on which object they are in. See code here: http://css.commctrl.com/96 - The paragraphs in the HTML use the styles from "#bd div.maincontent p" instead of "form.comment p" (regarding margins) ..
why?

has an ID = higher specificity (?)
I think.
]css specificity

http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#specificity

http://img.pro-g.co.uk/misc/exnor/dl_test.html — the one time Firefox is the problem! I've added no padding to the bottom here, and yet firefox is magically creating some

having a float:left value (the only way I can have the float push the container div down)

is put within the container, very odd…

]zip @ Exnor

Start every stylesheet with this: * { margin: 0; padding: 0; }. You'll save yourself the confusion over quite a few strange element and browser spacing differences later on. * == http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#universal-selector

it's not the body padding

* applies to all elements
But yeah, that's not your problem.

this is just a test case

use a clear element instead of floating the container

I'm using a table to display some data. Can i make the border of a cell change color when the mouse hovers over it?

the problem is then that this container has a column on its left in the actual implementation
and I don't want it to clear that

td:hover {}
Doesn't work in IE, however.
So, use clear: right;

any way to make it work? :/

Might be a hover fix for IE…

clear has no effect here

to each td, but it'd be unsemantic and sucky.

seems float is the only way to get it clearing

You need to add a clear element below the float itself

thanks ZombieLoffe, that seems to work

fscan" then ctrl+space it will show me "fscanf"… what does this "