!paste

http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.

generally; try running apt-get update; again.

mosno, last time this happened i grabbed the .deb and installed it manually with dpkg and it worked, but why is this happening in the first place? dondelelcaro i tried that (followed by an aptitude update, and running aptitude in ncurses-mode to install the kde-core metapackage)

(it could also mean that you happened to try downloading that file when whatever mirror you're connecting to was still downloading it)
it's happening because the .deb on whatever mirror you're using doesn't match the Packages file. Generally that means that something is wrong.

dondelelcaro, interesting. so it could be a transient thing

you probably should switch to a different mirror if that happens occasionally.

gasp.
this *is* the different mirror (i was using http:://ftp.au.debian.org before)
always followed by apt-get update && aptitude update && aptitude

do you have a proxy in between you and the mirror?

dondelelcaro, aaaaah. yes. damn it.

apt-get update = aptitude update?

I made edits to /etc/pam.d/common-* and /etc/vsswitch.conf (I think one or two others) to setup samba authentication with Windows AD and suddenly can't login as anything (local user, root, AD accounts). They all say invalid account after the username (never gets to password). I thought I've undone all the edits, but I'm still locked out (using single-user for repair). What have I likely missed?

MangosDebian, in the past ive noticed if i change my sources.list and DONT run apt-get update and just depend on aptitude update, then aptitude fails to grab the files
so i got into the habit of the && set that i pasted

ah, just wondering. i avoid aptitude like the plague. just thought they used the same sources

dondelelcaro, i might try switching to ftp which shouldn't be intercepted by our proxy

yeah, it's probably the proxy that's screwing things up. md5sum the .deb as you wget it; it probably doesn't match 3e5b39b1b2dc7ae7cfa24cb46f1cb419

MangosDebian, they do, theoretically. dont ask me the details of my workaround, i just know that it "works"

dondek, http://paste.debian.net/31815 and http://paste.debian.net/31816
dondelelcaro, , http://paste.debian.net/31815 and http://paste.debian.net/31816

possible your proxy doesnt realise the file changed since the date stayed the same or something?

3e5b39b1b2dc7ae7cfa24cb46f1cb419 jackd_0.101.1-2_i386.deb
that's on a manual wget

and which packages have you perged?

dondelelcaro, apache and apache2

s/per/pur/

grrr
metapackages

those are just meta packages. You want to purge *all* of the apache and apache2 related packages.
like apache2-common and apache-common.

lemme give that a try

Guerin can I pvt you?

MangosDebian, possibly, but i'd rather avoid trying to diagnose it, it's a RHEL+InterScan pos

/nick Grrrin

dpkg -S foofile; and dpkg -L foopkg; will help you figure this sort of thing out in the future.

i agree, sometimes its easier to just purge the file in question from the cache than to just figure out why its broken. doesnt sound like a good problem to leave alone though

MangosDebian, it's okay, i resigned two weeks ago, only two weeks left and i dont have to worry about this hellhole's dodgy IT
uMangosDebian, it's okay, i resigned two weeks ago, only two weeks left and i dont have to worry about this hellhole's dodgy IT/u
uuMangosDebian, it's okay, i resigned two weeks ago, only two weeks left and i dont have to worry about this hellhole's dodgy IT/u/u

lol

Hello everybody

tell me you didnt quit cause of the proxy software?

what does %h/ mean ?? does it mean user hoem dir?
home*

man sshd_config

I had a question and was told to come here to ask it
well 2

MangosDebian, if only.

1) I want to upgrad emy tandy 1000 to a 20MB HDD.. where can I find one. 2) I want to upgrade it to a 286 also. Where can I get it and how do I install it?
b1) I want to upgrad emy tandy 1000 to a 20MB HDD.. where can I find one. 2) I want to upgrade it to a 286 also. Where can I get it and how do I install it?/b

Guerin I just got new nic, can debian autodetect it or will I have ti install it manualy?

dondelelcaro, so it's safe to remove those directories?

are there any video cards with TV-out that have proper open source drivers?
i'm sick to death of nvidia propriatry crap

uh, no. You need to purge the packages which actually own those files, not a random metapackage.

If I download a debian dvd, do I need all three?

there's something really weird with my sound. I can only hear sound when I trigger the system bell continuously

does any one know how can I autodetect hardware in debian?

lspci?

uÝžoyq s,y݇ndooT Žo

yes, network card, I am trying to replace the current one that is onbord jzxu

oh my god?
i've never seen text displayed upsidedown on my irc client like that\
how'd you do that?

well, that's probably going to involve figuring out which kernel module supports that card and loading that module instead of your old one

jzxu, can you give a lil more help pls

what's your network card?

I have 2 , I just placed the d-link on right now... ( the other one is 3Com we can do whatever is easyer

depends on what you need, the first one would do

hi what's a good wireless card i can use for debian/linux?

gnome?

are they different, or just add on packages?

yes

I have 2 , I just placed the d-link on right now... ( the other one is 3Com we can do whatever is easyer ) jzxu

well I think 3com is pretty well supported

it's esd probably which is messing things up.. run gstreamer-properties and try alsa

well does anyone else understand how this text was produced?uÝžoyq s,y݇ndooT Žo

ok jzxu let me replace the d-link now

the fsf has a list: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html

anyone been having problems with xorg and i915 lately?

I'm getting the same thing with alsa

special font?

that doesn't help
i mean say i wanted to make my own upside-down text string? how would i
hah
care to explain?

fun with unicode

lsof /dev/snd/* and see what's using the card

which program did you use?

that would be telling

please?

/dev/snd/controlC0

I want to have fun with unicode too.

it's not really anything special, the gnome charactermap will probably do

I haven't seen any problems on my laptop

done upgrade lately?

no, on the left like (mixer_app)

mixer_app 3586 jzxu 39u CHR 116,0 6217 /dev/snd/controlC0

I upgrade daily
and it was rebooted yesterday, so I know I'm actually running the driver that was current as of that time
What problem were you having?

XV is broken

hmm, I haven't watched any videos... I'll try one

aplay a wav and see

how do I see memory info on debian?

say, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav

ie, how much
what kind of memory? DDR? ECC etc

cat /proc/meminfo
oops, sorry
can't tell what kind from that

Someone on #xorg is talking about a i915 patch, anyone heard anything of the sort?

thanks

I can successfully watch videos in both Totem and mplayer, using xserver-xorg-video-intel version 2:2.0.0-1

jzxu the debian recognized the 3com by it self, i only had to put in the ip address host config stuff....
thanks a lot

what am I looking for?

and you have XV enabled?

does it play ?

no problem, I'm glad it worked out automatically for you
it's the same deal, if I activate the system beep while it's playing, I can hear the sound

yes, mplayer is using "-vo xv" and totem is using GStreamer's XV output plugin

thanks, I guess something is broken on my end?

There a definative Debian/WinBind/AD authentication howto?

could be, but I don't really know

weeeooo
weeeeutiful
weepooo
woopeeeee
moomeee

and you're in the audio group right. Is esd running? if you can logout and back in after setting gstreamer properties to alsa.

moo moo meep

hello everyone
what browser do you guys use in Debian?

wpppppppppppppooooo

I am in the audio group

I got epiphany and iceweasel

and esd is not running

both of them are terrible when I was reading my yahoo mail

mooooeeeeep
mopey

mopey?

wee mopey!!!
MOPEY!

I know the cartoon you're referencing

wat

sorry de snorry jbinder

mmmdd
moooooooooooop
wooooopoooooooooo
Nooooooooooooober!!!
mooopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ddddddddddddddddddddaadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadaadaddadaad
kooooool
loooooooook

if you are drunk, go to bed

unupers
bde??
i make noise
boooo
WEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOO

you are making yourself a nuisance. please stop

awww (((
kkk

\callvote kick jbinder

Ummm....
Lol.
That was someone else...
I just got out of the shower.
I think someone sshed to my box and screen -xed.

Do you normally allow other people remote access to your login session?

jbinder, that was me

Lies!

That's sort of a gaping security hole

Lol... only one person knows a password for a sudo account.

It's basically terminal stupidity
one person too many if ti's not you

Lol.

hi has anybody setup squirrelMail through apache using https ?
I'm wondering how hard or complex it is
I already have setup postfix and apache with port 80

damn Debian, this KDE is legit!
:P

http://www.revfad.com/flip.html

hey!

fuck

can anyoen recommend a good mail server host ?
qmail still the cats ass ?

postfix is good

ok, ill check it out in the morning

Best way to cp .* from one folder to another? (I know .* won't work because it will reference the partent folder also, but i don't know what i should use)
s/partent/parent

hm... my xaos stops working

I run sid but I want lenny's 2.6.18 Xen kernel. Is there something important I should keep in mind if I want to use testing kernel on sid?

hi

I think I got it

I'm setting up my machine to be more of a server so that I can play around
I have setup postfix and can send & receive msg

composite seems to be interfering with XV

ah... that's not surprising

how can I setup so that root@localhost really is bob@localhost

ÝyPnbs ÝyPnbs ÝyPnbs ‡_Ý1 Ýpnp žTPqŽP1d Ýe‡ ݇Pe ÝyPnbs ‡_Ý1 Ýpnp ÝyPnbs ‡_Ý1 sn ‡s1‡ Ý

or is it more common to have an email web hosting root@localhost where all those messages go ?

if you get a chance could you enable compsite and see if you get same behaviour?

man 5 aliases

thanks hark

what do I need to do to make a mounted device in my fstab only read/writable by 1 user?
not the device itself but the mounted files

uid/umask
man mount and look for uid/umask

do those apply to ext3 as well?

why wouldnt they?
oh

because they only appear in FS-specific sections for other FS types
in the man page
Is all I need to do set the permissions on the mount point?

myeah, just chown the dir

ah, okay

and chmod

thanks

awesome, what about a right-to-left version? ;x

damn, somethings wrong with my debian ;/
afk

hi
apt-get or aptitude

has anyone gotten wpa_supplicant working with a cardbus adapter?

synaptic

aptitude is safer

there is no good reason for a newbie to use anything other than aptitude
synaptic and apt-get are the past, aptitude is the future

I thought the rule was that GUI methods are preferred over text methods by newbies?

what's preferred is irrelevant. It's more about what's actually better.
the fact is aptitude can do more, and do it better than any other apt tool, and it has a gui to boot
(if you consider curses a gui, which I do)

apt-get

that's fine until synaptic breaks some dependencies, or fails to install or uninstall some additional packages when required. Or when you have to dist-upgrade.
that's fine until synaptic breaks some dependencies, or fails to install or uninstall some additional packages when required. Or when you have to dist-upgrade.
and shock, there is!

it appears to be vestigial

#wireless was working fine for me a few months ago

ah, i tried wifi
cool, thanks
i'll whine and moan over there

what files (besides home) should I be backing up? it is not possible to do a full snapshot.

hi

I would except, I need a command line based program

it depends. I back up /etc and /usr/local and /var/www and /root and a couple of miscellaneous places

so why is aptitude better ? that's actually the one that I use, but I was just checking what you guys suggested

!aptitude

aptitude-fu, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t

for those reasons ‘

apt-get install/remove/update/upgrade/dist-upgrade + apt-cache search have been pretty sufficient for me

thanks Guerin

welcome

downloaded skype-1.4, the beta with video. should i remove the old version (sound only)before 'dpkg -i' this one?

ask the vendor
skype won't be supported in debian until it's free software

Guerin, have u by any chance try it?

nope.

Guerin, there is a .deb for skype-1.4.0.74.
and it is freeeeeeee...

i don't care; it's not supported here and has nothing to do with us.
!free software

[free software] at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, or "Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition?" - Andy Tanenbaum, Feb 1992. . Software Freedom Day is August 28th

not really free.

Guerin, FO.

ah, more singtards
or maybe it's just the same one, with a bad 'tude, giving his countryment a poor rep

maybe the .sg troll

you refer to #debian as a 'countryment'?
heh

no, i just suck at typing. I meant `countrymen' as in, other singaporeans

what ever happened to 'channel' or 'community'? ;x
oh

no, the people in here are known collectively as Debiankind

ohh that's too german for me

\not kind as in children
kind as in `humankind'

;x
is two 'ian's too redundant?
Debianians? ;x

heh
that has a certain silly charm

its debianates

do you mean Debianites?

yeh

yeah I like that one

too ordinary

and as far as VoIP goes, I've been using #mumble.sf.net lately
Feel free to connect to my Murmur server running on S11.Info. ^_^

nifty

s(he) is now in OFTC

heh

Are you referring to me?

nah

hi

sup?

I run sid but I want lenny's 2.6.18 Xen kernel. Is there something important I should keep in mind if I want to use testing kernel on sid?

it should work reasonably well
just keep an eye on deps and you should be fine

Should I install the Xen hypervisor and admin tools from lenny?
And not the packages in sid?
The only thing missing from sid is the Xen kernel
But the hypervisor is apparently still there

how do you update a package with apt-get update?

I would think getting the lenny Xen packages would be best

to update an expecific package

apt-get install package

whats the most suitable os for a server

to update a package

yes

cant decide between debian, freebsd or fedora!

I want to install tremulous but the needed package tremulous-data isn't in repository

I vote: debian

you would!

that's to installed a package u dumb ass

But if it's already installed and outdated, then it will upgrade it, u dumb ass

Windows 2000 Advanced server of course

tremulous-data is in non-free, so be sure to have that section enabled in your sources.list for you repostory

why is it in non-free ? afaik it's CC

apt-get update not work for you?

For some reason... the tremulous-data package is listed as 'non-free' ... so make sure your apt system is set up to allow non-free repo grabs.

ok thanks

In the new version of Tremulous, the content will be CC 3.0 licensed which meets the DFSG so both packages should go into main
CC 2.x is non-free by the DFSG

now I have "etch main contrib", non-free is literally "non-free" ?

I'm fairly certain CC 3.0 is DFSG-free though so it should be fine on the next Tremulous version
yes
etch main contrib non-free

i can't answer that, sorry. Check the deps, they might be version-agnostic.

Best way to install Kiba-dock on Etch?

aptitude install kiba-dock

is anyone aware of a debian gnu-darwin port ?
I found a reference somewhere but am not able to find it anymore

no?

i don't believe such exists; unsurprisingly, since there's alread a debian gnu/kfreebsd

Do you happen to know the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64 ?

Why is CC 2.x considered non-free by the DFSG, and what difference in CC 3.0 would make it acceptable?

there also was debian gnu/netbsd (but it's not updated anymore), but debian gnu/kfreebsd is very active

nope.

What makes the vserver package different?

did you try the gnu/hurd or plan9? nexenta gnu/solaris?
minix3?

Unfortunately I'm not 100% sure myself, although I've been intending on looking into that. I'd check past debian-legal discussions.

http://gnu-darwin.org/

omg, almost 300 bans here?! you guys sure dont believe in house cleaning do ya. And why is mwilson and fieldysnuts banned?!

gnu-darwin and minix probably lack seriously drivers

for the reason.

not quite a full sentence there

They are banned for the reason. There.

No solution is found that will install kiba-dock, kiba-plugins, kiba-setttings, and libakamaru0. They all say "..keep the following packages.... [Not Installed]"

it's called "ellipse". in a dialog there's no need for sentences as in verb (and whatever is needed for sentences)

or did you mean, "foo ---_THE_ --- reason"

then it's not in etch.

s/foo/for

yes, the reason why each was banned.

maybe this explains: http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable

hey how do you make an powerpc boot from the cd, what key do you press. because everytime i press any key it doesn't work

but he didnt use and elipse...

the cd it doesn't boot

it is not the same for everyone, is it?

i wonder why I get disconnected

nah

no, hence my later correction.

Hmm, that is why I specified Etch. I want to know the best way to get it installed. Apparently that's not a viable answer. Thanks though.

nah to what?

mwilson has/had different reason(s)

well that's why i said maybe. because i don't know

dont mean to stir up old crap or anything, just their names caught my eyes and were right beside each other in the list. mainly i was curious when freenode allowed such large ban lists though

are there any known issues with the nvidia driver and xorg in testing? a mate is getting an odd error where nvidia driver compile dies complaining that it cant find dosemu/tmp etc

BTS
bah

thanks, give me a minute to read though :/

BTS.

bts means nothing

what's your irc client?

it means plenty.

Bacon Tomato Sauce?

!bts

extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges

!topicbadger random

/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that random didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic...

oh, too slow

irssi

sounds tasty

Guerin, you are a real champion of the open source support community

I have nothing to do with open source, thanks plenty.

suppaman, I thought so

free software?

Guerin, ah, that explains why you can't offer much help

why?

you know me all too well.

i was just curious. i also have irssi, but i only see a list with /names and the names are not next to each other (mabye because i don't have 80x24)
you're great

i gavce you plenty of help; I can't change the fact you'd rather get pissy about it than put it to use.
!beer tarzeau

im in vga= mode atm, and my list wasnt in numerical order. just luck i guess

in channels with 20+ people i only use /names to see how many people are in

8 -!- 182 - #debian: ban fieldysnuts*!*@* [by douglas.freenode.net, 3813162 secs

in case you haven't caught on yet, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=nvidia-glx;dist=unstable -- this is what Guerin is getting at.

well, sorry, seperrated by one nick, but still

if the issue isn't listed there, then no one knows about it.

o.O

:o

i used /bans not /names
zome fieldysnuts were just here lol

i am listening to Moglen's latest spiel as we speak
the man is a champion

ahhh, i never use that but thanks

BTS?

misfire, sorry.

k

should installing linux-image-xen-686 on etch add it to the grub automagically?

careful, its a screenful or two

it should. If you think it hasn't, run update-grub

tried running over and over again

not as worse as /list -yes is it?

oh no dondelelcaro, I caught on, I'd checked BTS before wandering on here, and I'd googled and found some clues either, I was just after generall yes/no if any one had heard about the issue as it appears to have been around for awhile.

only the default kernel (non-xen) shows up in menu.lst

nah, only like 3 or 4 screens depending on your res

if someone here had, they'd have filed a bug about it

s/earlier/either/

I was thinking of taking my 3rd stab at installing Xen on Etch. You got it working before?

if anyone had, don't you think they'd have posted it to the BTS?

280 bans roughly

fresh 4.0r0 install

you can add a manual entry, but I don't see why it shouldn't work.

dondelelcaro, oh really? you mean every day debian users file bugs? odd...

sometimes it even happens twice a day.

"end users don't file bugs; news at 11"
dondelelcaro,

neither can I :/

if you show us your menu.lst, we may be able to tell. Use a paste site.

lol, Knoppixton and Ubuntubia nice read though

hi, I have two network interfaces. (sky2 and e1000). how can I force eth0 to be the e1000 ?

man nameif

thanks

that or udev, but i recommend nameif

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502

thanks

ifrename is deprecated nowadays?

u think you can do it with kernel boot param too

i wish i knew, my problem is i need the right name at install time

hm, ifrename works fine for me

so i build my own kernel without firewire support. and still there are workstations with more than one real network interface

its all the same in the end

during install time, with preseeding?

argh
nono, i was talking about my own case.

nvidia nics cause problems with working when used with pxe, sometimes
and i was being selfish trying to get my problems solved

heh

lol, reminds me of a quote I seen once: "When I come online, I expect to have my questions answered as quick as possible! I pay for my internet access and therefore I pay for access to your services"

hahaha, good one
did you know if you mirror all data from the BTS you get like 26 GB

yikes

ouch

see
that's how much is wrong with debian - 26GB of BUGS!

(but that's with metainformation like indexes)

that's more than the whole of all windows versions PUT TOGETHER

and most of them are FIXED!

you and your logic

you realised the next windows is gonna ship on hddvd right?

sorry, didn't notice in time... zapped it already. anyway it was the default menu.lst after a 'normal' (non-expert) install with small /boot and lvm for the rest... tried to change to ...-xen-686 after the very first boot...

i made a mirror to do some graphic plots about it to extract information

heh

like get all email addresses and sell them^W^W^Werrr

heh
you'll make zillions!

i'm just curious how many people have used BTS

and how many did use it ?

bye

SELECT count(*) FROM stolen_email_addresses_from_bts;

hehe, i just finished with the rsync, i don't know yet. but be sure you'll be the first to know (if you stay in #debian)
i won't use any SQL for this
here: also very much data but all without SQL http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/

sql is nice for anything large imho

updating it takes 2 hours

404

ouch, let me chec

how old is debian? How long has it been around for?

!history

for the reader's digest condensed version

must be mid to late 90's

try early

96 or so is my guess. god, has it been that long guys?
u96 or so is my guess. god, has it been that long guys? /u
i know ive been using for about 10 years now on and off
and operating systems anonymous refuses to give me much need help for my addiction

hi
how can I monitor bandwidth in my network ?

ethstatus?

iptraf?

i think ethstatus looks better though

!info iptraf

I want to be able to monitor the total amount of bandwith of a specific machine as well as outgoing through the network with lots of graphs, reports, etc

(Interactive Colorful IP LAN Monitor), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 159 kB, Installed size: 732 kB

thanks guys

iptop
or iftop? I forget

apt-get install ethstatus, tell me what you think

can those programs keep a total amount of bandwith used over a period of time like months, and then do reports ?

its nowhere near as indepth, but its simple and clean
i think firewall is better choice to keep stats
doesnt require a running daemon either

dondelelcaro/guerin: it's the hypervisor-package that updates the menu.lst...

writing the rules canbe tricky, though

hm, it looks like pppstatus :-)

shorewall

shitewall, you mean. No thanks.

ya, simple and nice though when you just need a quick glance

anyway, for my purposes I'd need it to run on openbsd.

shorewall's good for basic firewall configuration

ipmasq is good for a basic firewall configuration

$EDITOR ?

shorewall, firehol, etc have moving parts and abstraction layers, and are therefore complicated

basic firewall? thats askin for trouble heh

does Debian etch comes with hibernate function?

not at all. Anything more than basic is troublesome, because it usually means running commands you don't understand.

shorewall is very nice though

yes and no. It does, but support depends on your hardware.

ATI cards are particularly troublesome.

it was easier for me to learn iptables than shorewall's stupid config rules.

problem with manual iptables commands is that your security depends on how well you understand tcp in the first place

I do have a ATI card

not really. If you have a default DROP there's very little you can do to harm yourself, within reason.

I suggest you try the very latest ATI driver, then, or stick to the opensource driver, and pray.

when you install powersaved, make sure you force it to unload the module and switch_vt whenever you hibernate

could someone tell me, which is the documentroot path for the mailman in debian

One of the recent (but not the latest) ATI drivers wouldn't even allow standby.

thanks for the suggestion guys

in the sample file of mailman, its given /var/www/lists, whereas, under /var/www/ there is no such folder

I would, except that I don't have a dedicated firewall since my linksys router doesn't count as one

you would what?

I'm just saying that I don't have a dedicated firewall

have you read the README.debian?

all poor floppy has is a linksys router

ah. well, thats better than a wide open box with ssh and stuff open to the world

why do I visualise floppyears as a rabbit?

heh

I just installed acpi-support and hibernate packages

liable, yes, in that its written to create a link for /etc/mailman/apache.conf in the /etc/apache2/conf.d directory

how do I actually do hibernate?

liable, but all the apache configurations are commented and after uncommenting them

eat a shitload for three months, find a warm place, sleep for 6 months

liable, I am see that there is no /var/www/lists direcotry

I like your attitude!

i am not even drunk yet either!

fixed: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/

ha

that was a quick apache 1 to 2 migration

hey, I got it hibernated

200

it is really quick
not sure if it will boot up right

and what happens when you create that dir?

heh nice. but nasty cursor :/
lol, is that a butterfly?

haha

surely there is more info than what you have read. though after installing a couple of web apps from debian repos i have found the documentation to be a little lacking

liable
realy funny
I just went hibernate for 1 min and come back
it works!!!!
Debian rocks

sing it brother

I am about to hibernate now
so see you all

Cya in 6 months.
Where do I get Debian On A Stick?

quick question guys

well, I still have my windows running, so

can either iftop, iptraf or ethstatus be run as a daemon ?

not so long

I want somthing that is running in the background and I can check once in a while to see the amount of bandwidth used

munin

just edit yout inittab and toss it on a vt

theres the web one iftop? iptop? that runs as a daemon

ntop?

I'd run something, such as ntop, on the router.

thats the one
ntop

munin is pretty sweet though.

Is the package checkinstall known by another name now?
nm

heh, been a while, and theres some funny new bash.org quotes

It's nearly trivial to install programs the debian way.

yea, animated if on windows w/ ie

cause nobody suspects the butterfly?

impossible!

i am easily amused
or bored i guess

you're from queensland, that goes without saying
i mean, you guys like cane toad golf

actually, i didnt grow up in queensland, and i dont live there anymore either, unfortunately
its a fun game!

oh, i thought you did
yes, it is a fun game

how can a single person maintain 220 debian packages?

the popping noise is very satisfactory

*boggle*

i suppose it depends on the packages.

thanks for the help guys

What if each package has an up-to-date website with a .deb link and the 220-package maintainer just has a script to grab them all and verify authenticity and add them to the proper spot in the repository? ;x

wtf with the butterfly ?

just looking through the list of packages

and where is my pony cursor!

ok, some of them appear to be easy maintenance

you mean sheep? :P

wanna see something sexy? http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z63/mangosdebian/?action=view&current=mangosdebian.jpg (password "thanks")

Some people even maintain their entire OS from scratch, no package manager at all or anything else but their own programs.

what's sexy about that?

the debian logo

i wish you guys would get your stereotypical joke correct! :P

is it actually on the console?

yup
bootsplash patch

heh

hm, i suppose that is nifty
but logos are a WOFT

i can even clear screen and it doesnt earase unlike most patches

that's different, as this does not require installation package creation and provision to a user community

Many write scripts to automate things that are more complex, besides, making debian packages is not honestly that hard.

although im rather miffed that the debian rc scripts support "SPLASH" for usplash, but not bootsplash

i wouldnt mind prettying up my console like that

so i dont get the moving progress indicators yet til i hack up my rc's

i'd say it depends on the bitchiness of the program one tries to pack.

Haskell and Java are probably the worst.

but in that list are a lot which are probably easy to do. data files, for example
I18n stuff

if you trust me, i can send you the debian package with it already patched. you just need to install the usespace tools and add a splash=silent to grub

kde

Getting the package deps right for KDE would be difficult indeed, especially since they change so much.

yeah, and because kde users always want the version which is about to be released tomorrow

I ran module-assistant auto-install nvidia in an attempt to get Nvidia grpahics drivers installed on my 2.6.18 Xen kernel from lenny. X.Org won't work though unless the driver is ;nv' and not 'nvidia'
How can I check how it installed incorrectly?

Do we want such users in #debian anyway?

Are there any docks like Engage or kiba-dock that ARE in the stable repos?

sure, as long as they STFU

remind me in two weeks. i think it would be quite popular if you could get that in the repo btw

/msg dpkg search

$ lsmod | grep nvidia
Turns up NOTHING
Do I have to manually load the module?

nope. but gdesklets has something like that.

i surmise you don't have nvidia loaded
that'll be $150 for an hour's consultant fees

You get a lot of lazy users here don't you?

a *lot*

ty
YOu're cynicism gives that away
Your

!you're
ah, fair catch

Beat ya to it

np. i still need to work on the progress indicators though. usplash seems to have similar syntax, if not identical. and the rc file already has it built in

happen's to the best of us sometime's

Ha

Hello. Could anyone recommend a resource monitor/grapher suitable for a large cluster? Centralized collection and low load on the nodes, if possible.

i'm not cynical, i just resent people who are lazier than me, because I'm DAMNED lazy

IO, CPU breakdown, Mem breakdown and Net.

#beowulf?

Empty

I say you're cynical considering "/msg dpkg search" I'm searched repos and google, but the only thing I found was kxdock (or something like that) and it looked like ass.

ganglia?

Not saying I blame ya though
^^^ Just pointing out the obvious

well, the bit where MY laziness comes in is that I have no idea what kiba-dock or the other one you wanted are like, so in lieu of telling you to explain stuff, I figured I'd give you a tool you might not hasve considered yet.

i made the butterfly

!worship tarzeau

nice
i'm using terminal.app, i really like the fonts it can use and the size as well as the meta-n key it supports

? the screeny?

Hmm, sounds like you're right. You're not cynical, you're lazy so you expect others to be. Am I understanding now?

yes i've seen it

I want my $150 back
modprobe nvidia loaded the module, but I tried to use it and X.Org still fails and complains of no such driver as "nvidia"
What exactly did "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" do?

Thanks. You wouldn't know if it does IO too?

Btw, for a lazy person, you sure do provide a lot of useful feedback in here.

I'm a bit worried because if Xen + Nvidia doesn't work out for me I'm going to want to switch back to a non-Xen Debian kernel and I want graphics drivers to work THERE.

ahh yea, its nice. gonna try usplash real quick on a vm box. that was apt-get install bootsplash though. usplash i dont know if as good. sec

but nvidia WASN'T loaded at the time, so I was right. I should charge you another hour for this analysis, but you've got another five minutes

don't remember about that. check the site

more or less. Though it's not just projection; it's mostly derived from experience.

mhm, reading. If anyone can think of any others I could still use options.

Aye, well, it's loaded now, and I'll be dammed if it doesn't want to work

does that mean you will or won't be damned?

I haven't figured that out yet...
...maybe I should be thinking about that instead of graphics drivers and virtualisation.

Nasty combination
Hadn't thought of this till now. if I install a xen kernel, will I lose the ability to run nvidia module (or compile new one using their script) ? Is that what you two are getting at?

maybe you won't not be not damned ... or you will not not be damned

damned if you do, damned if ... oh nevermind

holy fuck, Shogun just brought in half a huge rat
not too bad for a kitten

I'm struggling with that right now. I just installed the Xen kernel in lenny and headers, and I tried running Nvidia's installer and it said it doesn't support Xen kernels and quit.

i would be more worried about the ones he missed

hi all.. i wanna take to your attention this bug with update-manager in lenny: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/9158e26a7fb9db6/6b3dfad434448366?lnk=st&q=AttributeError%3A+%27module%27+object+has+no+attribute+%27GetPkgActionGroup%27&rnum=1&hl=en#6b3dfad434448366
i don't know if someone is allready taking care of this.. but someone should...

is it on bugs.debian.org?
if not, it's not getting any attention.

thats in debian?

in lenny, apparently
lilalinux:
bollocks

haha

you know who I'm talking to

?!?

stop having a nick that begins with l

i can't find it

you're confusing me
have you experienced that bug firsthand?

whos aptitude wont search?

yes i am

then run `bugreport' and put all the relevant information in there
it will give you all the instructions you need

wich package i need?

you should need no package ... err ... reportbug
not bugreport
verbnoun, like the good Bog intended

oh.. ok

reportbug
i was having a brainfart when i saw that and couldn't work out why it didn't sound right

heh

Okay so I ran "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" and I want to undo that now

dpkg -l |awk '/nvidia/ {print $2}' |xargs aptitude purge

Wow

there are easier ways, but I'm too lazy to figure them out

Now *that's* more the kind of stuff I like to see before parting with $150

hah

Easier than one line?

good point

k

Argh it even made a nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 package!

of course

It looks like when I ran "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" it actually installed Nvidia drivers for Xen!
Or... are those not the Nvidia drivers themselves?

they are
i think

nvidia-kernel?

i don't do retarded proprietary shite

Aye
I want an Intel card =[

but that's what I understand from observing people in here

So if m-a built a driver for Xen, why's it not working?

i fucking wish they would archive bugs that they arent going to fix. aptitude has about 100 that are older than 1 year.
and several of those are older than 3 years

heh
nvidia in xen is just taking the piss

aptitude has 328 bugs on the default bug page, thats just stupid
no wonder people dont bother reading bts

i do read them

samba users are disconnected from server every few minutes... they have to authentify each time I asked on #samba too, still waiting for a response... I prefere ask here because I have to solve this problem very quickly as this is on a customer network.

ooooh, someone already made a rc patch
i gotta test this hehe

you just need a faster way to scan and drop unimportant stuff

no, debian needs to fix the default, and make so i can scan for more if i wish

i'm glad i don't maintaint THOSE webpages, i'm not sure how hard/easy it'd be to do that

the amount of bugs you see that are 3 years old and not archived is totally annoying

aren't they sorted by time?
i'm glad i can use one large page and grep through it
instead of of clicking many links to also scan the rest

thats not the point though

true, the problem is with bug reporters that report bugs that aren't really bugs
and bug reports who report bugs without the needed amount of detail, then are not reachable again

yes, and those bugs should have a tag and only be shown when they are specifically searched for

i agree
what would you call that tag?

implement a javascript hider thingy on it

NO!

heh

you know what? you can mirror the bts and do exactly what you want

thats not an answer

if you have 26GB of bandwidth to spare

i can provide that

done it.. hope i have exim4 configured to send email outside
i am not sure

we make people search bts all the time, when you see a page like aptitudes, no wonder they give in

reportbug will complain if it fails

ok.. Sending message via /usr/sbin/sendmail... Bug report submitted to: "Debian Bug Tracking System" submit@bugs.debian.org

so if you had a 1 kg needle in a very lage haystack, you wouldn't search it because the very large amount of hay?

i think it's ok then

the 1kg needle is made of real gold

easy - metal detector

(like the bts sometimes has the solution to a problem)

or fire is even easier

heh
quality

unf

Just a quick question. Which versions of KDE comes with Debian stable and testing these days?

gold isn't magnetic, is it.

no it's not

nope

well, bollocks to Guerin's metal detector then.

whats that got to do with metal detectors?

haha

/msg dpkg search

it's conductive, but doesn't even have para-magnetic properties

%do sussudio

%bear liable

metal detectors don't only work on metallicness

3.5.5 i've got on Etch

B_Raven, if you ask http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages then you can find out :-)

you actually have to get a special metal detector that can only find ferrous metal

i swear yesterday pdo said Etch had 3.4.x, which was wak

some work on magnetism; others work on ultrasound, and respond to anything especially hard

i meant electrical conductivity, not heat

or dense, to be more correct

must have been my imagination.

Guerin, delliott, did search in the package list, versions did not make sense (said 5:something). Thanks, mosno.

'whack'

%dict wak

could not find definition for wak

anything before a : is an epoch version - for debia's pacjkage system only, ignore it

you were looking at a Debian metapackage (or whatever its called), dig deeper (ie. look at its deps)

i don't think dict has urban dictionary in it

aah but yea kdelibs has epoch 4

Well, if it's 3.5.x as you say all is cool.

but not their print dialog

my only beef with KDE is konqueror doesn't support stuff like Gmail (but it's probably Gmails's fault, not KDE's)

i've had a user not able to print because of kde print dialog

you can fake it...

Never did use konqueror for web browsing, prefere firefox.

what's wrong with the print dialog?

it reads the user agent..

yea i fall back to iceweasel for poo websites

Ehhh? Something's wrong with their print dialog?

but i find konqueror nicer faster and well integrated to the desktop, in general

that's only true if you run kde

*shrugs* Haven't used a printer in... oh, about 7 years or so. So really wouldn't know, was a windoze person back then.

yeh, it says "go fuck yourself, foo' !" instead of print on the button

in which case you've given up on lightness as an objective

not relative to Gnome i haven't.

i cant remember what i did, but iceweasel shows up in my apache logs as MS for ages, even after they changed that switcher thing

about:config ?

but gnome is about as light as a pregnant hippo
and about as useful

well ti hippos she's very useful
to*

well, i personally find i can't really do without a full desktop environment on my work/home PCs. :-\

what are you saying about gnome users?

Ehhh, rate gnome up there with fedora and mandriva. May be all nice and shiny, but it makes me want to pull my hair out. And if there is one thing I'd like to avoid it's going bald in my mind 20s.

what are you saying about hippos? :P

you have my condolences. I bet you also drive a 5000cc v8 to the shops.

bald is bueatifull

with automatic transmission

yea Gnome is a pita where it shouldn't be. imho they haven't done a great job integrating different parts of the desktop that imho should be integrated.

that's probably the biggest complaint

actually i drive a 1.3L EFI hatchback

i drive a pair of feet, or a bicycle

bet your a hairdresser too!

who me?

lol

heh

i wish, maybe if i was i'd score more sex :P

what kinda miles per gallon of jolt cola you get on that?

my sister is getting a mitsubishi l200 with huge wheels and spotlights, in matte black

Well, the part that drove me nutters was it assuming that either I am a moron that should be protected, or I am advanced enough to not mind digging through non-documented config files. KDE lets me do stuff just the way I want to without having to read manuals for a week before touching it.

yes. sorry, was having a flashback and thinking of toyota celicas

it's not her fault, her mate is a redneck mechanic who needs to lighten his inventory

Hi. Anyone who could help me with pam_mysql on Debian ? It works unitil I change passwd vi courierpassd - then there is something like {CRYPT}CRYPTED_PASSWD in crypt filed in mysql and it stops working :/ Without {CRYPT} prefix works ok. What to do ?

solved

I'd like to use crypt

yes, kde is more intuitive i find for most people. a lot of the time in gnome you right click something and stuff that should be in the context menu isn't. you have to open up a seperate app and do your thing there where in kde you'd have it in your context menu

there's better hash schemes

i havent come to grips with PAM yet, she is the crazy lady that throws cats at you when you knock on her door..

VELCRO CAT! LOOK OUT!

by `intuitive' you actually mean `windows-like'

i mean 'modern-gui-like'
if it was windows like, i probably wouldn't use it

nothing modern about being windows-ish
hehe

nothing to do with computers is intuitive imho

except perhaps a well designed UI

it's an oer-used, mis-used word, when it comes to this sort of thing

What's wrong with "windows-like"? Not liking their philosophy does not preclude liking their interface. Some stuff in windows does come under the heading of "works quite well".

no, the fundamental design metaphors behind KDE are windows (and CDE), whereas with gnome they're OSX (and *step)

gimme unix

join #mediawiki

gimme beer

which means that, without realising it, if you gre up using windows, KDE seems more intuitive

interesting theory.

i used kde when I first switched, for the same reason ... and still find it saner than gnome

i actually like kde, mostly just the look.

it's not really a theory, it's the entire reason there are two competing desktop systems.

funnily enough i think gnome looks better, but kde "just works" better
it's not "the entire reason".

gtk i find ugly as fuck, but, thats what preferences are about

if you recall, Gnome Project started because Qt was non-free

hi guys. anyone wanna point me to a good article somewhere, or give me an idea where to start, if i wanna run 2 connections? one ethernet, one wifi? maybe put bit torrent on one, other stuff on the other, or just load balance?

gtk has theme support though

now, if they can learn to trim down on resource use, they'd be better off. at least it isn't hastalavista in terms of resource use...

besides, i dont buy your over-generalising theory.
no offence, i just happen to disagree

yes, several ugly themes

Wasn't QT released under the GPL a while back?

long time ago

yea. it's dual licensed.

ive seen gtk themes that were Mac OS clones, very good looking compared to default widget sets

Shiny.

Gnome Platform does a lot of things right, Gnome Desktop doesn't.
imho.

figures someone with a nick like yours would say that

its hilarious that there is several of these sort of conversations every day

interesting also to note that parts of Gnome Platform (or at least parts that were originally seen implemented into a working system) are beginning to be used in KDE (cite dbus/hal)

your one to talk simon raven :p

For me gnome seems to be a better desktop for people who are new to computers in general, seems to hide all the hideously complex configuration options from plain view. Personaly I love hidiously complex configutations options.

that's because they're trying to merge the backend stuff, or at least sync

:-) be glad that both exist, i say

simonrvn, Aye, I say "nevermore" a lot too.

heheh

lol

a good thing

they are just nice tools, nothing to do with the actual look of the desktop

it is. grab the best of both

jah, iceweasel :P

I like Gnome but to be honest Nautilus is really severely lacking many needed features which makes it annoying.

even though that's not gnome in Debian
and implements some really stupid useless ones (notes and emblems for files)

ahh, i'm seeing here that all i have to do is turn on the 2 nics and it should just work?

yay an emblem! that i can't search on! or use outside limited parts of the Gnome desktop! woo!

mosno, That I can agree with. Having two major (and several handfuls of minor) desktop systems helps a lot in not only maintaining diversity, but also leads to better solutions being found (by more possible solutions being tried).
umosno, That I can agree with. Having two major (and several handfuls of minor) desktop systems helps a lot in not only maintaining diversity, but also leads to better solutions being found (by more possible solutions being tried)./u

that's what freedesktop.org is for, to make some common features, standards, with the 3 major ones (xfce, kde, gnome)

wow did 4 runs will on my old p160
^^debain

liable, that'd be me, sorry.

Things I want to see are being able to set icons all to the same size and being able to align to a grid (both of which KDE can do but something in KDE bugs me)

jah, cite using beagle libs in a kde search tool
fdo ftw
anyway i should get my arse off this PC and over to a friend's.

you are officialy off my christmas card list

later

can i be off it too?
anyway, later people

sure, you were gonna get money in the card this year too!

hehe

bye bye

you could possibly change your Gnome session to run nautilus with the --no-desktop (or whatever) switch, then use some desktop-icon-displayer app.... just a thought

go to your friends house!

too much gui for you?

yes

forgive me, i'm stuck in RHEL and OpenServer ssh xterms all day

well, too much pointless quaraling
no wonder you seem a little on edge

not quareling, just having a hearty discussion on the interface that lets me use my computer each day
and yea i am on edge. freezing my arse off and hungry

stupid winter, its cold here too

lol, i'll refrain. see ya

oh god no. some 7-11's are turning into simpson kwik-e-marts lol

come again?

/bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: No such file or directory ||| Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070701/ap_on_bi_ge/7_eleven_kwik_e_mart;_ylt=AhW2xk_50Ugddf6jQM7aTrzMWM0F

does a firewall require a lot of memory?

no
unless you have a bazillion rules

alright, thakns

ya ya, i thought so lol
my original reply was "thank you..."

/bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: No such file or directory ||| Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up - What's this ? /sys/block/sdb/dev exists

hmmm is it unadvisable or exceedingly complicated to run 2 simultaneous connections? i'm not finding a lot of direct references

2 isps?

well i have cable modem here, and there's wifi available free in the building too

on a side note, a brewery made cartons of duff for a short period when the simpsond first came out, i heard years later that they were selling for about ten grand a piece years after they were sued for making them

sdb as in scsi disk b. not sure what it means, but any use in fstab for it?

i'd like to run both, share the load, or perhaps stick some things on one connection so my other isn't clogged

well, there is diff routes that are static to keep it simple. or you can do a kind of round robin route setup so each new connection goes out alternating connections.

sdb is the decive my usb 320gb hdd belongs to and it's the one system boot from

well it's dynamic on one, has to be, and the other i think i can get static. i can get static on both if i get a 2nd router if it's really necessary

hi all

the strange thing is kernel 2.6.18 works - 2.6.21 pops this message

is /sys mounted currently?

u mean in fstab ?
no§
but the strange thing is kernel 2.6.18 works - 2.6.21 pops this message

no, right now in .21. perhaps your missing sysfs support from kernel?

people I need to redirect all ssh connections by other gateway. how to do that by iptables?

compiled 2.6.21-5 with default optioons
changed nothing

i mean static/load balanced routes. "route -n"

anybody installed openfire?

goes out route 1, anything else default route etc

ahh, iptables then?

hi
i'm compiling a kernel
everything built fine,

thats avoiding the underlying question i asked though. is /sys mounted and workin in .21? i dont care if you compiled the same options or not, cause theres always room for error

but it wont boot ?

but yes
it wot boot

haha

says invalid root file sys or somethign
i gues it has to do with initrd
i scan around and find update-init*

well, iptables can mark the packets according to your TOS or whatever and then you can route based on that using routing tables. your really getting into a complex art though

but i can't use it to create an initrd img
any tips?

hrrrm. i have a buddy that might be able to help me with this, he likes it when i have to ask him things

try again. you need your fs driver and your hd controller driver built in

ext3

you have grub installed

yes, it lists in there

there's no entry for /sys in fstab but mount returns sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)

i don't know my controller driver
how do i find that out?

there are plenty of howtos for this out there if you feel like doing your own research

then you have to make new initrd image for new kernel

what command should i run?

i couldn't find any directly, though i just hit the first dozen google links on 2 or 3 searches

sys doesnt need an fstab entry on debian
sysfs doesnt need an fstab entry on debian

or, perhaps i just didn't know enough to know if they were describing what i want to do

mkinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18 2.6.18

btw, if i have a file named .config then the config options are read from it right?

this 2.6.18 is kernel version

so ls -l /sys while booted in .21 shows files? does the file in question exist?

you can replace this 2.6.18 with your version

have people noticed autofs die often?

valdyn ok but at boot-time it says : /bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: No such file or directory ||| Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up

hmm mkinitrd not found

MangosDebian, once booted /sys/block/sdb/dev is a text fil

i'm using it for /home directories and it happens on etch amd64 as well as i386

try google: linux multiple routes

s/fil/file which says 8:16

people any idea?

apt-gettig it now

that probably is supposed to mean that your sdb isnt found, not that sysfs is broken

ok, i was doing 'multiple network connections' and such

s

google for 'Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO'

can't find mkinitrd

valdyn, the strange thing is kernel 2.618 does not pops this error

well, least it exists. no idea what would want that info though, sorry
thanks

ahh

yw

!custom kernel

read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see debian kernel image

i'm starting to get an idea. similar to when i had 4 nics in my old box long ago, to feed the other 3 computers in the house.
got it
thanks folks, naptime

can someone explain to me, why kdepim 3.5.7 is not yet in testing, but the rest of kde 3.5.7 is? i see that it has not been build on some platform, but why does this block the mainstream platforms?

i drove 12 hours each way to des moines for the iowa tax forum and rp's event after, i'm too beat to deal with this tonight

you have initrd-tools installed on your system

its ok, the dark arts require full attention, lest you want to hurt yourself

that contains mkinitrd

lul. it has indeed been a while since i tried anything complicated

valdyn, i guess something's wrong with initrd

is there anybody uses flash player + firefox? i need a favor

most people here are the same prolly. thats the kinda thing you setup once and just backup and forget it

yep. like the old days, slack 7.1 and p3 smp, 2 dsl lines and 4 nics. didn't want to set that up twice.

its mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21.5
btw, the name spells with an 'n' not a 'b'

if we all remembered every command option for every daemon on a typical linux box, we would go insane, or get alzheimers

hope its not charset issues

whats wrong with update-initramfs?

mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18 2.6.18
this is corrected one

mkinitrd is depreciated in favour of mkinitramfs i believe
well, for 2.6.8+ or .11+ or something like that

i meant that was the correct command
i've run it
seemd to work
now i gotta reboot to find out....

no its working
I am running that on 2.6.8+

i used mkinitramfs
i'm using 2.6.21.1

was 2.6.12+ anyways

btw,
my network admin tool doesn't list my network devices anymore

!comfort fanen

There, there, fanen. It's OK. I'm here for you.

.!boo

!fail Gigantic
bah

!test to MangosDebian

Testing to MangosDebian... *****$$#$

yeah dpkg
first i must apologise,
i'm running debian sid
i guess this is an etch channel
network admin tool doesn't list my network devices any more
: i'm guessing its dbus related, but there've been no new updates to sid for a while now
at least none relevant to me
and my predicament

this is a Debian channel, regardless of the model... but Sid should be used only if you really damn know what the hell you are doing

yeah, what if you 'wanna know damn well what you're doing?
i suppose that's how you get better
two years ago, i didn't know how to 'mkdir'
now i'm building my kernel

not with SID

ubuntu stable is not challenging

Learn with Stable. Sid is for development, NOTHING else

is also 'too 'just works' for me

ubuntu? ...pfff

sid is perfectly fine for people with a little dpkg foo
and no care if shit breaks horribly
i dont mind helping people with a little bit of a clue with sid breakage, as long as they can take a proactive role when you suggest something

is there a minimal rss reader for debian?

if you need a challenging OS, i suggest vista on a P3/500

and asking "how do i downgrade foopkg" isnt those people
i just wish i could get the same response
i would rather tongue kiss my grandpa
hrm, thats a good way to stop conversation i guess..

talking about challenging... I want to make double DNS check and if some IP does not match to report and/or avoid connection
a couple of DNS IP's available in resolv.conf could be checked

lol cafuego

do i need any iptables at all if i want to use a machine as router for public ips
?

hell, i wouldnt even try sid, nor have I in a decade

!

nope

sure!
even if not as router...

what do you want do to?

with this question, understand more about routing.. in reality, protect my racked machines using a dedicated firewall box which only has one IP.. their all connected to the same switch, but i want one of the machiens to act firewall for them all

!confuse js_

No, where was my hamster yesterday, js_? wellies of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cheese

if you are wanting a machine to act as a firewall, one would imagine iptables might be intrinsic to that plan

so your machines beind the firewall have no public IP?

they do
all of them do

weel, it is not necesary for routing itself, of course but having a computer without firewall is a madness to me, and specially if used as router

but i dont want to maintain separate firewalls for each machine

how many machines?

!irritate me

HELP ME!!! who uses dvd ???/

yes, the whole point is to have a single firewall for all machines in the end