?*

right

hi, I was here last night asking for help on setting up a mail server host on my debian machine so that I can recieve/send mail using my debian server
I can receive mail just fine, but the problem that I'm having is sending mail
could someone help me check and troubleshoot my issue ?

look in /var/log/mail.info

hey Lemming whats up
I use to make you blow yourself when I was a kid

To set up my mail server what else do I need besides postfix and dovecot-imapd?

back on the old mac machines

Trying to get debian on an usb flash stick, and Bushmills is helping me out a lot

lemmings kick ass

indeed

an mx record in your zonefile would help

good man, debian is awesome

I'm sorry but I don't know what that means

thanks Bushmills I should've thought about that first thing to do is always check logs

read up on mail relays, dns zones etc. etc.

http://rools.ath.cx/peter/photo/2007-05-02-blockerlaptop/IMG_0224.jpg
made that one :3

lets the rest of the world know how to find your mail server when sending mail to you

Is jffs2 also 0x83?

freakin sweet

no

you're on ubuntu aren't you?
or just gnome?

a live cd, but yes

Following a couple tutorials, I've got authentication through winbind working well enough that I can log into a console using a windows domain host account, but I cant' log into X with it. After logging into the console I've even got a home dir at /home/DOMAIN/username. What am I missing still?

mom's laptop

your mom uses linux?

no, livecd

thats freakin sweet
oh
its still pretty sweet

could possibly get her to

at least shes checking out

as she doesn't use more than word and firefox

"log into X"??

can anyone help me with dvd burner installation?

*think*

!anyone

no, still my live cd

polls

Hi, is there a program to solve simple equations on the console?

Yeah.
Wait.

maxima

thx!

How do I use maxima?
I just installed it... I can't figure it out.

wow 31,2MB for maxima and its depends... is there something more lightwight?

I cannot find it in the list

lol "I just installed it... I can't figure it out." how long did you do to figure it out ?

honschu, tried dc ?

Lol.

jffs2 is a file system, not a partition type. you can leave type on 83, for linux. "no" means, it has no partition type, is it isn't one.
as it isn't one

ok, thanks again

which xorg driver will work with mach64 (ati radeon mobility m6)?

ati

Ooops.
I just typed rm * in my home directory.
Lol.... Shit.

"Partition table entries are not in disk order" - ignore that and just write?

hey. having some problems with a 3ware raid-5 array of 12x500GB (5.5TB usable as /dev/sda). It refuses to create partitions which are larger than 1018GB. The platform is a 64bit AMD. Tried the stock kernel and a compiled vanilla 2.6.21.5.

fine

how do i remove all TRACES of apache2, it doesnt want to get rid of those other packages that were installed as dependencies for apache2.. and i dont know what they are

i'd remove the subdirectories too.

or how do i check what were the last few packages installed in the order they were installed?

Lol.

Decepticon try deborphan

You're really funny.

my hard disc crashed, 3 days ago

Lol.

if it installed things like php, then they don't "depend" on apache and will need to be removed manually

drm won't work

drm is deprecated as I know

expect no 3d with mach64 (iirc)

why?

I think 3d has been supported starting with early radeons

cause it's damn old

ext2 boot, 2nd partition, 16 meg(ish), bootable flag, rest as a jffs2 drive, partition 1

bootable flag doesn't matter

ok, good

and mach64 3d is barely useful. I had a 4mb card a couple of years ago

that's for ms bootloader mainly

Gnash 0.8.0 was updloaded for review by the FTP Masters a while ago (maybe a couple weeks). Where can I find out what is stalling it from entering unstable?

wanna play urbanterror on my laptop

you will have to buy a new laptop then

Manually mkfs.ext2?
for the boot

go ahead

Is it possible to use the debian installer to install into an nfs root (on another machine)?

sad but true

hello
apt-get checks the integrity (md5 or something) of the files in /var/cache/apt/archives before using them?

no
ups. yes
misread

hi all!

Do I want to specify any flags, such as reserved blocks, or just go?

use fsck or badblocks

I'm trying to umount my iPod, I have no term on it, and I get a "device is busy" error, any tips?

mmm.. what happens it the file is not correct. Does it get reloaded again / the user is warned / ?

apt-get refuses to install it, the user is warned

ok.. so, in an apt-get dist-upgrade, with a wrong dowloaded file... this file isn't installed, the other packages which deppend on said file aren't installed... and the rest of packages are installed?

Out-of-the-box ext2, and a jffs2 as I want it then?

probably. but it might stop somewhere in the middle though

Why would I want to run badblocks?
or fsck
Also mkfs.jffs2, -r/-d/--root=DIR - should any of those be supplied?
"Build file system from directory DIR", current dir by default

is there something like dpkg --check-if-downloaded-correctly foo.deb ?
(to check the md5sum or the integrity or whatever is done, for a shellscript )

dpkg --no-act -i maybe

I'm using the testing repository and being told that build-essential conflicts with utils-linux
which is required
is that wrong?
for a package to conflict with a required system package?

paste full error to paste.debian.net

ok

I am doing a dirty multi-mirror axel-based apt-downloader... but i don't trust axel too much. I will try this --no-act -i

er, no error, Synaptic just says it's going to uninstall utils-linux
and the properties for utils-linux say required

try with apt-get/aptitude

k

hi I'm trying to setup a mail server host on my debian machine, and I can receive emails just fine from my gmail acct
but I can't send emails except to my username@localhost
any help ?
(connect to gmail.com[72.14.253.83]: Connection timed out)
any ideas on what could cause this ?

ehm.. noobquestion here: How do i uninstall Opera? It was installed with a "sh install.sh" thingy

intending to use gmail as smarthost?

what ?

1. why does your mail server try to connect to google?
2. on that address does google not have a mail server listening.

follow instructions in readme or luck for uninst dir or similar
luck=look
damn

I tried to send a test msg to my gmail acct

MoDaX, ok.. thx

Is it possible, that game runs too fast ?

how do you resolve dedicated ip hosting addresses?

using some dns addresses in /etc/resolv.conf
I typed host gmail.com and all the mx record info showed correctly

there are wonderful .debs available for opera, both static hosting and dynamic

MoDaX, There was no "readme" or such
:P

but i386 onlx :-(

nn, ok.. but i installed it by downloading it from operas homepage ^^
adn flash didn'r work out so well in opera
at lease not directly after installation

but po-in-f83.google.com, which is the ip address your mailer wants to connect to, is not in the google mx list. and there is no smtp server listening on that one.

but i use a Beta flash so i guess thats why

flash is bs anyway

hey can anyone help me to get midi to work? I get the following when I try to play a midi file with timidity http://rafb.net/p/ERAT7C38.html

in doubt you might find an answer in the very helpful opera forum on opera.com

I know..

for what purposes do you need flash?

im already there
^^

the mx records may *show* but your mailer doesn't try to send to any of those

nn, have you ever heard of youtube?
^^

kind of
think about it

twobitsprite you just did

so what should I do to fix it ?

Hey, what's up with this ^^ crap these days? What does it mean anyway?

What does the -r/-d/--root=DIR flags mean? "Build file system from directory DIR"

by, golly, I just did! :P (??)

mkfs.jffs2 btw

find out why your mail server tries to send to a different ip address than one of the mx records

ok, any suggestions or tips on how could I go about doing that ?

twobitsprite you "kind of" have an idea of what he's talking about

I'm not even sure I "kind of" have an idea of what _you're_ talking about :P

I now i see.. Opera and my BETA flash driver didnt work out so well

for building a file system from existing directories. like you do with mkisofs, for example.

woot it works now

Seems I can only build a jffs2 from an existing directory?

give me 10 minutes for undusting my crystal ball. it can surely give me all the information you have, and i don't. like, what mail server you're running, and some other completely irrelevant configuration details.
i used that a while ago. ... let me think how i did that .. i think i created an empty file, build a jffs2 files system from it, and dd'ed that one to the flash device.

you could always use pyching

what made it easier for me was that i didn't have to partition, i could just use the whole device

private

so file size = device size

thanks for your help, it was 2 config lines
that I had put recently today from a website that I read
it works now

And if I want to put debian on it, do I use some other tool, or simply copy files on to it?
I'm *really* new to these kind of things, as you may have noticed
and have no idea how the system boots/starts up, etcetera

Lemming, pstree

hi people
I'm new using debian

Man, you have high opinions of us all! Most of us are droids, not people!

Who said people outrank droids?

ok, sorry
I need some help

with what?

bpun, cool

To be honest, I'm not sure. I've been confused ever since I read about Susan Calvin

./ufo: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./ufo)
how can i solve that
?

"ufo" is not compiled properly for your system.

Lemming, pick up any book, but there's plenty of documentation -http://debian.org/doc

ok, thanks
one question more, how can i change the repositories to install gLibc2.5

56674r
wopsj
adjusting keyboard

Aumix solved the sound problems
for now, at least

Any on getting debian on a flash stick with jffs2, from start to finish?
I'm soo lost.

You don't.

what disconnection message I had

The fundamental problem is that the program isn't compiled for your system, which means EVERYTHING is conflicted.

?

104 (Connection reset by peer))

thx

yw

Lemming, i gave you a link.. check out how to put debian on a stick..

thanks

ok, so, do you mean that i can't run that?

Not as it stands, no.
And it is extremely non-trivial to upgrade libc
(For any distro or system)

what can i do?

recompile ufo for your system

I'm on etch and I cannot find tremulous in repository, is it normal?

hi

ok, tanks a lot, ans sorry about my english.

!info tremulous etch

(Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 642 kB, Installed size: 1447 kB

: storing record for 2007-07-02 00:55

suposed to be? a timestamp?

so I should see it, do I have to enable contrib ?

yes

damn I hate tasksel

so don't use it

!dpkg gpg

Is it worth the trouble getting a JFFS2 partition in?

for a moment there, I read that as haskell

I selected the desktop environment and then it took 1 and half hour to get everything

that's why no one uses it

Why can't mkfs.jffs2 work as easily as the other mkfs

this is my first installation in years

ok

Lemming, jffs is crap

for an usb flash drive too?

Lemming, just follow given instructions and stop trying to install another method..you're just wasting time..

GPG error: http://debian.fastweb.it etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
is this related to etch key ?

will give it a spin then, bpun

just a warning ?

what package is 'lp' printing utility in?

!search

to find factoids containing thing. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt

helo_ for me it's cupsys-client
what's the standard debian repository ?

so I'm thinking about switching to debian over kubuntu, is there anything I should be aware of, or any advice you might have?
that should be debian _from_ kubuntu...

thanks suppaman

why does build-essential need to uninstall utils-linux???
util-linux

shouldn't I simpy add contrib after main in sources.list ?

anything? do it? don't do it? watch out for bears?

what did you expect ?

I was told to try with apt-get instead of synaptic

go for it!

unfortunately synaptic had updated something that killed my ethernet so I had to reinstall to try it

I'm trying to install debian on a laptop with a pcmcia cdrom drive but have had no luck. Anybody have any experienc with this? oh, and to be sure I've tried other distros and the install works fine...

but... it seems to me no package should require uninstalling required system packages
this is with testing

I'm tired
bye

my mouse has a thumb button, button #6 (the scroll wheel is 2, 4, 5). currently it behaves as a duplicate of the middle button. i recall there being a really simple way to get it working in my X configuration, but i cant find it anywhere. help?

hi there
is someone here have build a webdav under debian ? I have some issues whith mod_dav : configure: error: Your APXS installation is broken and cannot be used.

hello, i have a debian box with 2 internet connections ( eth1 (4bmit) and eth2(2,5mbit) ) and the internal lan interface is eth0 ( e1000 gbit ), what is the best way to go from here ? i would like to have 2 private subnets on eth0 each using it`s own route but i'm a bit confused if having 2 default gw`s will not be a problem when not using dinamic default gw`s ( like in changing the gw for each outgoing connection )

hi all
I install windows again on my PC so I lost grub instalation, so I need to enter to my linux booting from the CD and next i will run the script to install again grub, but I can't boot with the kernel of my CD
What I need to do?

|messiah| you can use the debian install cd to reinstall grub ( boot into advanced mode and select install grub )

I try to put linux root=/dev/hda1 ro initrd=
on the prompt of the CD
but didn't work

|messiah| you could try mounting your drive somewhere, then do a chroot and install it from aptitude.

Can I start with the kernel of the CD but mounting my drive?
from the CD I didn't know how to do it

If they're the same version (the cd and the system) it should work
I'm not sure otherwise, but like mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/somedir; chroot /mnt/somedir
At least that's the first thing I'd try, and I'm just guessing

Can I get a list of every package installed on my computer and easily put it inside a text file?

!installed

To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M';

file.txt

ok, but in the prompt of the boot CD what I have to put?

# right?

hi good afternoon guys
I have finally been able to setup a mail server in my debian machine

you can also pass dpkg -l to |sort

and I can successfully send & receive msgs
but whenever I read a msg the system moves it to ~/mbox
is this something common ?

floppyears, why is that such a bad thing?

I was just accostumed to all the mail being in 1 folder

hi. ./configure says, that I need to have 'the X11 libraries and headers installed'; does anyone know which package(s) I need?

is this common in debian and other unix systems ?

floppyears, no clue, but it's prboably configurable..

|messiah| you shouldn't have to use anything if it's a livecd. You just mount it somewhere and chroot to that place and it's like you booted into it (for the most part)
after the cd's booted that is

clacker, i wouldn't use such an analogy.. none of the silly bootscripts are actually booted in chroot

true, it would probably only work if they were the same release

|messiah|, if your cddrive is messed- i think there's a grub for winbloze and you can access your grub setting file with an e2fsexplorer program.. or whichever way is good for you..

clacker is not a liveCD
is the minimun installation CD of debian

ahh

cool thanks bpun

floppyears, what's your mta?

I have a prompt when I start from the CD, but i don't know how to access
to the linux extension

floppyears, i'm presuming exim is what you're using the #exim team would know well..

please take a look at this image for what

anyone ?

micky, not sure on the specifics but assuming you are doing masquerade you can probably set it up to route traffic on a per-connection basis
it would give you better load balancing at any rate

puddingpimp_work could you point me to some docs on that ? yes i'm dooing masquerade

micky, what do yo umean you have two internet connections?

bpun i have 2 connections to the internet ( both on ethernet conenctions ) take a look at the image i posted

there is none

http://86.104.141.8/network/topology.jpg

micky, I herd it's possible, I don't know exactly where to start though, I've never done it myself

www.lartc.org - they talk about exactly this sort of thing

micky, what you want to do is make a virtual network interface to merge eth1+eth2, and have eth1+eth2 on 'multilink' -- am no expert on this but is what i presume what you want to do..

micky, and it means unless you have rules for certain things, you won't be able to predict what address your connections are coming from, might cause problems with some webpages and the like

How can I start my debian with the CD of instalation?

bpun, you can only do that if they both go to the same place and said place also supports multilink

i've done it before but i used 2 default gateways wich are changed on a per connection basis ... imagine running a torrent application that has 50+ connections.. the server would have to change your gateway for each conenction

*AKA Channel bonding

micky, you could just change the gateway once a second, wouldn't provide perfect balancing, but once a connection has an address assigned it will carry on using that interface (AFAICR)

micky, why not use a virtual interface that doesn't have as it's gateway changed? what is changing exactly?

bad hack

using eth2 ( like 2 separate servers
bpun what do you mean ?

Hello, i have 4 computers with debian. One of them is a firewall/router and file server. Could someone recommend me a protocol / program that supports sharing the mp3s on that server in real time ( streaming ). Also, the server doesn't have X installed so it would be great if there is a web interface to choose the music that is being played.

micky, the correct thing to do is to get an AS number and setup BGP, but that requires you to register an IP range and requires your isp(s) to be cooperative

micky, if eth0 routed to the virtual interface, i don't see why you should have two gateways to worry about, if eth0 would be really looking at one..

FernandoMM, icecast?

FernandoMM, there's also webmin, there may be a mod for supporting its gui for that as well..

bpun so i should use the first case in my image ? use a 254 netmask and have just one gateway ?

bpun thanks, i'll take a look.

!webmin

webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality

micky, i don't know exactly what you're using the two isp connections for.. are you tring to do load balancing?

X is network transparent

puddingpimp_work the idea is that both iternet connections are from the same provider ( not really cooperative thou ) but they cant give more than 4mbit / line cos they`re adsl`s

hm

bpun using 2 because i need more speed and the provider cant boost the main channel

micky, so you probably want to use multi-link no?

ethernet bridging

bpun it doesnt matter as long as i can either ( add a new virtual subnet and have new clients go through that connection ) or do something else ( no idea what )

micky, check out for any packages that offer load-balancing..

micky, so is it ethernet over ADSL or PPPo[AE] half-bridge?

hi all

puddingpimp_work there are 2 adsl routers with ethernet connections in front of the server ( but i can use usb adsl routers to pppo[ae] if required)

micky, ring your isp and find out if they can do PPP-multilink, and look into setting that up

micky, you may also wanto to look into QOS
micky, and make priority rules

micky, if they will only do separate accounts, then use BGP

i would imagine be already QoS since it's adsl and not sdsl
already using*

could be

micky or you can always try to be smart and uncap your isp modem

hmm going to set up a box and another 2 to act as internet servers and 2 for clients and see what i can come up with withouth having to ask my isp to change their stuff

micky, so if you're running a sever(webserver i presume), i see some things in the way..

bpun well the modems are not capped.. the adsl line is in their main telephone exchange unit is

micky, I don't know what your isp is like, but I generally find it easier to ask my ISP to do things properly than build huge kludges which only sometimes work...

bpun no web server, it`s a box used for traffic shaping and routing

how do i get the libc header files for debian etch?

Install them.

puddingpimp_work if i would like my isp to do bgp i would have to go to their hq and doo it myself.. so imagine

name of it

!tell eifzon about search

!tell eifzon -about search
teehee

hee | tee

hehe
good one

libc6-dev was the na,e

micky, you have serious problems if your isp can't do BGP :O

see, that was easy wasn't it?

Yeah, sounds about right.

hi all

hehe karsten .)

micky, you probably then want to look into igmp if you have another remote gatepoint..

good evening young sir

young ?

younger than 70

younger than a tortoise

puddingpimp_work they probably have 2-3 admins that set up all the equipment in the country and have ppl with very little computer experience working as tech support..

Hnestly: 1, 20k+ packages in Debian, I don't know 'em all by name, and 2, I don't do a lot of dev work (and/or have libraries already installed).
Thank ye kindly.

and not showing grey (i think)

micky, CHANGE ISP

oh man, i second puddingpimp_work there

Another handy trick to know is auto-apt, particularly when building third-party sources, which can identify referenced files which aren't installed but are known to Debian, and install them for you.

puddingpimp_work i dont have a choice there.. no other isp`s in the whole county

A we bit. Actually copying pics off the camera right now. Shooting mom's garden, which is increadible.

auto-apt update, then when building, auto-apt run

Lots of cicadas.

oh yeh, neat

simonrvn, an ISP that can't do BGP is like a mechanic that can't do oil changes :/

ooh
yup

is nvu (the wysiwyg html) is in package under another name ? i cant find it on the debian search packages page ?

not in debian

hmm, it says i need "kernel-source" now when i am trying to install my nvidia-drivers, how do i get it?

It's been dropped.

puddingpimp_work, isn't he just residential?

Look in snapshots, or IIRC blue?? or apt-cache search html editor.
Standard or phillips?

hello

*groan*

how can i get kmix to start while kde boots MINIMIZED
?

ok thanks simonrvn , karsten
i guess i gonna try the tar.gz from the website

bpun, sounds like it, but where I live you can get ADSL through any of the national providers, anywhere, not really used to this 1 dsl provider, 1 isp shenanigans

heavensrevenge, it's got an option

i wanted to be sure before

I don't know if there's any generalized X way to boot an app minimized. KDE's got a startup feature though.
... otherwise check kmix cli options.
There's also a couple of X scripting languages....

i=0; while [ $i -lt 256 ]; do echo -ne "\033[48;5;${i}m \033[0m"; i=$[$i+1]; sleep 0.001; done; echo

wrong window

Any undelete method for ext3? partition is dismounted, files deleted ~30s pre-dismount

yah

xwit

xwit?

restore from backups

... if you'd like an alternative solution ...
... restore from _recent_ backups.

have none

well, yeh, but that's not a wm feature, that's a user feature

Sucks to be you.
!restore
Hrm...

puddingpimp_work, wouldn't it be possible to uncap adsl modems to enforce bgp? hehe

This is a learning experience. Don't be stuck this way again.

!undelete

rumour has it, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems.

micky, hey micky maybe you might be able to uncap your dsl modem to provide bgp (just kidding)

o_O
heh

dsl is almost always capped on the other end
the modem just runs at max speed

correction. Have a backup but no way to reach it as the asshole who has it isn't answering either phone or IM's.

bpun hehe

Kevin`: exactly

Your situation's improved somewhat.

checking what dpkg said, but I don't see any way to do what it asks. (never used mc before)

Your problem is now "get asshole to answer phone/IMs". If s/he's a cow-orker, got to boss.

What happens if I dd a 3 gig hdd to a 7 gig hdd, will the partitions tables transfer also? ie, will the 7 gig show as a 3 gig hdd?

It won't work for ext3.

hey sid, when the hell are you going to be stable?!?

Otherwise, read the mc docs.

I've been waiting frikkin forever!

karsten, then why did anyone even mention it?

mount -o remount,ro the filesystem in the meantime.
To raise false hopes.
... also, it *does* work, if you're very lucky, for ext2fs.

my request specified ext3.

it will show as a harddisk with 3gig partitioned space, 5 gig free space

you can mount ext3 as ext2

Right. If you'll note, *I* didn't mention the mc trick.

So I just fdisk it and make a new partition?

That won't let you recover deleted files due to journaling issues.

could i for example have a default gateway for a specific source address ?

yea

true, point taken. *whallops abrotman w/salmon*

hi there, is there a way to upgrade from etch 32bit to etch 64 bit, without reinstalling the whole system? Or at least is there a way for this to be done remotely?

How do i sett my standard eth device?
set*

gAri-, you can use dpkg selections and save this list, save foreign packages..etc..
!tell gAri about selections

!clone debian
!debian cline
!debian clone

~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about aptitude clone

thanks valdyn, I appreciate the help.

I usually edit /etc/network/interfaces

If it makes you feel any better, work (billion dollar firm) just had a situation where someone who very much knows better managed to nuke a production Oracle DB during a putative OS upgrade (and no, it wasn't me).
... so this shit happens. I've done it myself.

I nuked a linksys router with dd once
"oops.."

Feature!

:P

could i for example have a default gateway 192.168.0.1 for a specific source address 192.168.0.2 and another one 192.168.0.100 for 192.168.0.102 ?
i mean can i have the box do it using iptables or something like that

thats all right but how do I upgrade to 64 bit packages online? are the 64 bit packages called the same than the 32 bit ones? I presume no, so get-selections wont work as usual, am I right?

gAri-: it will work for most packages.
gAri-: not the kernel and very few other things

gAri-, same package names, different compiles.. your foreign, if any, 32-bit packages ought to run on the 64bit machine..
ugAri-, same package names, different compiles.. your foreign, if any, 32-bit packages ought to run on the 64bit machine../u

what does this mean I dont understand

gAri-, software that you bought (32-bit compiles)..

okay how to manage that while the machine is online? I'M really tired to go and make a fresh install
thank you

run implies well, running it, not building it

Hrmm, If I wish to remove KDE - do I just remove it through Synaptic or will I leave a whole bunch of unused files along with it that will not be cleaned up?

start by removing "essential" kde libs

!remove kde

remove kde is, like, aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a

(somewhere I read its not straightforward to install 64 bit while the machine is online)

hi
i have a little question if anyone cud help, ive installed debian on 2 harddrives with the one having mountpoint / and the other /home , now i want to remove the 2nd hdd and use it for something else, what the best way to move all associations with /home to the other harddisk and format the 2nd one ??

ooosanteooo just unmount /home and mount it under /mnt/home or other mount point, create /home and copy /mnt/home to /home
and you`re done

don't forget to edit the fstab

but do i have to modify anything in my startup script ?
so that when i restart it keeps the change ?

"startup script"?

bashrc or whatever
ahh sorry
no i wont need to do so actually right ?

you`ll need to edit /etc/fstab to not mount /dev/hdX ( hdX is your second hard drive ) as /home

ok
got it thanks!

ooosanteooo basicly remove the line that has /home in it

yes
says /home busy (naturally) since im logged in as a normal user
shall i use -f ?

My mirror server is good.
he has a 2wk old cop
*copy

no

logout from this account and do as root ?

just log out and do it as root
yup

ok

how can we restore a failed hard disk on a RAID1 ?

swap it for a non-broken hdd, add it back in via mdadm --manage /dev/mdX --add /dev/partition
(make sure the partition size is correct)

thanks

!debian aptitude clone
how to ask the bot about aptitude clone?

!help
lazy piece of shit wake up

!hi

hello, azeem

!aptitude clone

package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine.

anyone know about dreamlinux

this channel is about Debian, sorry

Fathefner try ##linux

someone help me out here.. how do you spell utubanu?

ask #ubuntu

thanks

how can i see the structure of my hardrives (hdax, hdax etc...) ? without lauching cfdisk ?

hello

pingouiin, you can use fdisk...

du -f
df

what log can i check to see why or what caused a kernal panic on boot?

ok thanks

kern.log

or type mount

daeos also /var/log/messages is a good one.
that is like dmesg
kern.log can beconfigured in the etc dir to do special logs as well

pingouiin, there's no structures to harddrives

nothing in there except time stamps

hey guys, question, im running debian 2.6 on a media temple gs pkge, trying to config subdomains in my /home/domains/subdomain directories... i can hit my primary domain but im unable to access install.php in my subdir when i point to in via my browser, any ideas? rm -R???

I have an Acer laptop with an Intel 945GM video chipset. What driver should I use for xorg?

/etc/syslog.conf shows all your log file locatations.
what are you trying to do?
to get a kern panic?

i810

If I select "Desktop environment" during the debian install process, what do I get?

im not trying to MAKE one, im trying to find out what *caused* it

abrotman, thanks, it was already installed too

daeos:good plan to not make one, what whappend before you got the kern panic or was the system already in the shape when you got to it?

usually Gnome

i just upgraded my ram from 384 to 768, deb went crazy, then after going back to my ram config before i upgraded, deb runs fine

ahh

so..
i wanted to see *why*

what version of debian

4
etch

right
will that ram work on other OS's?

thanks

maybe a mem issue?

most people don't use tasksel

debian i think will do a memtest
4.0 and up

anybody can show me a sources.list for sid?

daeos:it is in the boot option I think. have to pull out my etch 4 install

if you're running sid .. you should already know how to create one

nono, i want to upgrade from etch to sid..

then what do they use?

!sid upgrade

Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.

aptitude

but i have problems with http://security.debian.org

how is that related to sid?

even for the initial install?

after the install you'd just install what you want

sid don't use this repository?

no
but that's probably the worest reason to update to sid
if you really mean that

oh, ok. thanks again

ok, thanks azeem
bytes

so is there a package i can run to do a memcheck?
or should i just run a mem tester from a cd ?

daeos:it is a boot option

you can run memcheck from the OS if you choose

daeos:part of etch boot install
no special soft needed

bye all

hey guys, do I have to get all of these disks? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd/

ok....

!d-i gat-man

gat-man, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.

please, it's a simple question, why can't I get a simple answer? do I need 3 disks or just one?

gat-man: we really recommend you just use the netinst
unless you ahve special needs

I do
I will have no internet from next week on
I already have the netinst
now please, answer my question.

if you think you'll need packages from all those DVDs .. then yes .. you'd need all of them

is there a way to intsall debian etch using an usb stick? I only found cdrom images

!usb install

usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian

i hate not having a long enough kvm to control the damn box

so one dvd will NOT install the minimal amount of packages?

thx

sure .. the first
but you don't seem to know which you'll need

and uhm amd64 architecture equals to x86_64 right? when downloading etch

gAri-: yes

it needs to run on a core2duo cpu
thx

daeos:I am installing a os right now or I could help you i cant find any documents on the net exdept a boot param you might try

alguem pode me ajudar em pvt !!! sobre estalacao do gnome plxx

ok

on boot option add this to your list of params mem=768000k ---the amount that post on bios

all i really need is just to find a log saying why a kernal panic happened... maybe bard ram?

alguem pode me ajudar em pvt !!! sobre estalacao do gnome plxx

ok i see

!br

Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.

daeos:could be dont know until you test it

bad*

coucou
ça va ?

bien le bonsoir

daeos:bad* whee does it say that?

!fr

Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.

bon
on change les regles

nous, francais, qui recueillons tous les noirs et les arabes du monde

maintenant
on parle francais

venons réclamer notre du
on loge vos merdes, alors parlez notre langue

english here .. try #debian-fr

non

pussy

francais ici

yes

si t'es pas content

ici francais

tu t'en vas
ok ?

vous comprendre?

!fr

Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.

on reprend nos terres

madahnono : please go to #debian-fr

non
mais c'est gentil de proposer
on ira les faire chier une fois que vous nous aurez viré

madahnono : please go to #debian-fr

pas encore

non non

pas tant que tu reconnais pas le canada francais

!ops trotrozoulie madahnono

Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: trotrozoulie madahnono

!ops abrotman

Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: madahnono complains about: abrotman

whats up how you doing !

on avait dit non

coucou c'est nous

again please

CLEAR!

vous vous croyez ou
en angleterre ?

clear

perfect

We
people from France
Say

yes, and #debian-fr is for help in french

that your chan, is now a french one
so
speak french
fripouille
azeem
c'est arabe ca

do you have a Debian question?

non, je suis la pour vous faire chier

lot of good that was heh

I'm just a pain in the ass

ok

thank you

ill never understand how a few lines of text on my screen can be a pain in my ass though

you've obviously never been to the ICQ IRC servers

no heh. but it still is just text. not like it can kill me or cause me bodily harm

try rm -rf on your command line

not funny

or rm -rf / that is a pain in the but

you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving bad advice

well, i kinda provoked that. sorry

that madahnono, really didn't like azeem, i did a google translate... however bad translation, didn't say a very nice thing

I understand french

yeah google told me 1 word...

anyways, I installed bootsplash and pacthed my kernel. looks b.e.a.utiful! but i notice that the rc init file only has patch for usplash. anyone know of easy way for bootsplash to work in inits? the patch in structions look like they will butcher my init scripts

that made complete sense to kick him

how do I create a user that cannot login, but still has a password?

my thought is to slightly alter the rc init and change the usplash to bootsplash, but the syntax for PROGRESS looks slightly different. anyone been through this before?
set shell to /bin/false and/or set home dir to nonexistant?
that or pam settings

but the user can still login via ssh

i need home dir to exist b/c the users Maildir is in /home/user/Maildir

ya figured that. use pam then. you can setup exceptions for logins for say just ssh or similar

Hello. I have an ssh server, but it doesn't work unless I'm using it from internet (ie: can't do ssh localhost) Any ideas on how to fix this?

check your hostname settings

like make a ssh.deny file and require the user not be in that list for ssh

what should be there?

what does host localhost say?

I also tried both 127.0.0.1 and my local ip (given by my router)
Not Found

is lo up in ifconfig ?

what is a good mac os style panel for kde

No... I must have brought it down accidentally

ya. ifdown -a could do that

shouldn't setting the shell to /bin/false prevent the user from logging in though?

Yeah, I was trying to get iptables to forward traffic to ath0 (wifi card)

for login shells ya, but a daemon can use whatever it wants i think. ssh might have a use login variable though. i dont know unless i check though

lol... and all that breakage just for not having loopback...

good lesson though. bet that wont happen again

indeed

i'd like to be able to create users that can't do anything....they just exist and can access their email (which is why they need to have a password)

in sshd config try set UseLogin yes

Thanks

np
just be sure to double check each daemon for access that you didnt intend. not something you want to forget about when you say enable ftp or something that also avoids shell setting

that's why I was hoping for some sort of no-login option

thats what pam is for really. but its not the easiest thing in the world for a newcomer to play with
can lock root out with one bad line

!ubuntu

yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also based on debian caveats.

i added UseLogin yes in sshd_conf and then /etc/init.d/ssh restart
user can still login

hmm, that wasn't the effect I was looking for

can pam use some sort of ssh.allow file and then I just put the users I want to have ssh access in to that file

hello friends

maybe that would be easier
hello Growly|VM

is there a reason I don't have libstdc++.so.5 (i have .6) while firefox wants me to have it?

well, i suppose an easier way would be to just force ssh keys on the users and dont get that user access to the authorized keys file
but yes, pam can use files that are parsed for different names and deny/allow based on those files

Hi there, I was wondering if anyone could help me troubleshoot this issue, I have a server which is sitting at 3+ load consistently, CPU usage is below 10%, plenty of free ram, nothing using swap... I just can't figure out what's causing the high load

iowait ?

so given the situation, what is your recommendation for what would be easiest to understand/implement

do your users have access to write/upload files anywhere in their home dir?

would you say that if lshw says my ram capacity is 768.. that i can trust that as true and not have an issue with good ram to upgrade?

yes, but I suppose that would not be necessary for email only users

then i would go with forced keys. its good for security and if they cant add files to the authorized_keys file, they cant login

have a link handy for me to read up on them?

on ssh?

i have no idea .. 768MB seems like an odd max

!+listvalues authorized_keys

abrotman, was your 'iowait' aimed at me?

ssh without passwd.

yes

!tell dragonfly about ssh without password

well, as of now, i think ssh, email, and ports 443 & 80 are the only things this box has open to the outside world

its a gateway 2k mobo
3 slots

okay .. then maybe

abrotman, excuse my ignorance, do you know of any commands which I can use to try and see if that's the casE?

of course .. you could just use crucial.com or gateway.com
in top .. is there any %wa ?

yeah i know, i should get the #### from the mobo

ah .. no .. there's a tag or model number on the case somewhere

....except then any time I ssh in from a user that does have access, I need to have the key...might not be such a useful idea for me

abrotman, it's very low, 0.0% most of the time

oh i see.... yeah.. i'll have to find that one

likely on the back or side/top
any of those high ?

i wouldnt dismiss it though, its a very secure setup. even if they watch you type your key with a keylogger or you tell them it, they still cant login without the key

i love apples

abrotman, idle is around 97%+ the majority of the time

and if your root, it dont need to. you just su to that account and do whatever

just need the root key then

abrotman, and now it's up to 4 :/

is anything using a lot of CPU ?
or is a zombie ?

ywell, if you wanna login remotely ya. trust me you DONT want ssh open to the world with only password access and root account enabled. you pick a dictionary password and your rooted overnight

abrotman, nothing that I can see in `top` or `ps`.... top reports 0 zombie processes

where is the setting to disable password access in sshd? i'm not seeing it

how could i disabled root from being logged in via ssh?

nothing is using a lot of CPU ?

disable root logins, and use a normal user to su to root and then su to an account if anything. you just need to add your pub key to each authorized keys file you wanna login with. even better, change the settng and put the authorized keys for each user in a diff dir that nobody has access to but you

abrotman, nothing at all...

/etc/ssh/sshd_config, PermitRootLogin No

is it always like this ?

abrotman, yes it's not going down, it's staying above 3

then PublikeyAthentication yes, and PasswordAuthentication No

i mean .. the machine has always been like this ?

abrotman, no it's only been like this for about a week

any new packages installed or new kernels ?

how about RSA Authentication?

abrotman, I'm running the vserver kernel and packages now...
abrotman, but after turning the vserver off I still have the problems

key that if you want

not sure what it is

just dont use rhosts

Is there a safe way to reload a kernel module named snd_via82xx that's being used by FireFox without killing FireFox? Or, is there a way to save a flash file that's waiting to be played in Adobe's flash player within FireFox, and then somehow reload and play it after restarting FireFox?

can you boot the regular kernel ?

abrotman, I presume so, it's worth mentioning that I've been runnign the vserver kernel for over 3 months without a problem, only recently did I activate a vserver on it

well, its for protocol v1 only which i would say is insecure
believe there were timing attacks or something for it

ah ..
what if you boot the system without starting the vserver ?

ssh shouldn't kick me out if i reset the daemon right?

no

so long as you do it using the init script, no.

abrotman, I haven't rebooted recently, it's running an IRC hub which is why I try to avoid that when possible... but... if there's nothing else I can try to figure this out then I can do this?
abrotman, you can't think of any other command's or tools to try to figure this out?

sudo /init.d/sshd restart ... something like that right?

ah ok

yerp

disable rsa auth too. no idea why anyone would want that enabled by default

vmstat/iostat/free/top

he, didn't need the 'd' after ssh
rsa auth?

considering protocol 2 is the default, rsa shouldnt ever happen

as in shared key?

dpkg -s iostat

Badgers ate my iostat!

bugger all, i dunno

dpkg -S iostat

iostat: Status: install ok installed

do I need a seperate key for each box that I wish to login from or can I just create 1 and then copy it to my USB drive, etc

one key and copy it

you can just create one, but I suggest carrying it with you on a USB key.
(I also suggest making sure the key has a password, and using ssh-agent to unlock it)

never was a fan of agent

well, i'd have mulitple copies of it (usb key, laptop, both desktops, etc)....and are the keys generated by ssh-keygen different from what would be created by putty using puttygen?
(yes I still use windows boxes many times)

Hello, are there any tools to help me to check which netcard(I have two netcard) is pluged a ethereal line?
I once try to use mii-tool , but find it is not good enough

puttygen syntax is diff, but it can export a auth keys file compatible line you can copy paste

so.... rsa auth.. as in a shared key?
anything wrong with key input?

no, the pub keys is: PubkeyAuthentication yes

ok....and for ssh-keygen, how does that work for who can use it? (the user that created it only? and thus needs to be the same on both machines?)

anyone with shell access can run ssh-keygen, and anyone with access to upload to the AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys path can add a key

then what is rsa

thus i suggest you switch that to a status dir
google it, for protocol 1, pure rsa auth according to manual
!rsaauthentication

but what determines what user is logged in when logging in using the key?

they still specifiy the user to login as when they connect

ok
i'll experiment

but the system will inform them that passwords are disabled and ask them for a pub key, it then checks in the home dir authorized keys file for that key and allows access after performing some handshakes to verify you have the right key and password to unlock it

but you recommend *not* using it then?

i recommend finding out what it does first i dont know tbh
i think rsa auth is the authorized key access, not sure what pubkey is then :/
anyone know?
seems like RSA is protocol 1 and Pubkey is protocol 2. but that might be wrong
but since debian defaults to only protocol 2, rsa shouldnt be a factor
that sound right?

so then why did you recommend not to have it enabled?

cause protocol 1 sepcific, which i recall having an attack issue to due with timing. basically i say no to protocol 1 and only use 2
with mine disabled i can still use my keys fine

ok with 2 , key input works also right?
im lazy and didn't setup a key for it

yes, pubkey with protocol 2 works fine

is authorized_keys supposed to be a file or directory? is it ok to put it in /etc/ssh/authorized_keys?

i tried enabled protocolo 1,2 but 1 wont start since my host doesnt have a key generated. so i cant test protocol 1 for you
its a file

can anyone recommend an IDE for debian
?
thanks in advance
hehehehe

would seem that ssh in debian only generates the ssh2 hostkeys. so rsa auth should not be possible by default

an IDE for what ?

vim or emacs?

MangosDebian i've never had a problem with it..

Kevin`: with what?

ok then

MangosDebian rsa auth

i'll read over what you told that person earlier about makinga key with putty
and using it

?

Kevin`: you use protocol 1 in ssh?

MangosDebian I sure hope not, it's insecure

Kevin`: then your using Pubkey not RSAAuth setting

ah

Kevin`: the manual specifically says: "This option applies to protocol version 1 only."
and debian only generates a sshv2 set of hostkeys. so unless you specically generated sshv1 keys you cant even use that setting to my understanding

wow, i tell someone to unplug ethernet and they unplug power... how did i get that confused?!!?!?
wow, i tell someone to unplug ethernet and they unplug power... how did i get that confused?!!?!?

i have AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys
and I copied and pasted my public key into that file
but when I try to log in, i get an error that "server refused our key"

make sure you have no extra lines. the key should be one long line, not split across several

i got this error ; Unable to use key file (not a private key) ( i took out the file path but it tells me this)

i have 1 lan and 2 wan interfaces is there a way i could reroute traffic to a specific port (5050) through the 2nd wan interface while allowing the rest of the traffic to go through the 1st wan interface?

oops
does that include the comment?

eww... i am trying to use an rsa key!
not good

everything should be one line, includeing the user@host and any comments, so yes

so how do i make an ssh2 compatible key?

ssh-keygen does v2 by default
you need -t rsa1 to make a v1 key. and the host needs one generated too

i'm still getting permission denied (public key)

paste your line to me or pastebin

Enter file in which to save the key (/root/.ssh/id_rsa):

press enter

hey
does anyone know if I could get visualbasic support on freenode ?

#mono

how can i get clamav to stop spamming my cron output (which gets emailed to me) with warnings that it is out of date?

Guerin

ask #clamav or similar

of course

yes, i suggest you use a password for a key. especially root

I am running debian 4.0 and I have problems with the eth0, it looses connection to often....

what is the syntax to specify a key with ssh

try another nic
man ssh

ok, your authorized_keys file is only read on connect. and i think i know what you did wrong. you put one global key file for every account

thankiu Guerin

im not doing it for root
for mine

i hope you didn't actually ask in #mono

what is nic Guerin???

!nic

rumour has it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center

so i have to have a seperate key for each user?

Guerin na I didn't

you misunderstood what I meant. make a dir mkdir /etc/ssh/authorized_keys, then in that dir, put a filename named by username with the keys.

!nic

nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center

do i need to keep the finger print?

and in sshd_config: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u

monkey see, monkey do

yes

what do i do with it

write it down

Guerin I understud you that that is what I have to do to get the info, was I not right?

step 1 in testing hardware is to try a different piece of hardware (if you can)

Guerin one more question if you don't mind

more important is the host fingerprint. when you connect to your home pc, the fingerprint will let you know if someone is pretending to be your server

so get anbother NIC and see if it gives the same problems

ok

Guerin do you have a piercing ?

not any more.

user@domain

its just a hash/checksum of the public key the server sends to you. smaller and easier to verify by humans

same password for each user, but with the keys it don't matter

Guerin if you could tell me the place you had it..

just don't work from putty yet

did you make that dir? /etc/ssh/authorized_keys?

ah like a md5 file.. ok

no...this is with just a file name authorized_keys

then for say user "bob", you would paste his pub key in: /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/bob

Guerin I will do that, I just didn't know if it was a setting or someting on the debian that might do that .. but I will thy new nic, thanks

ya sorry, when you asked about that file, yes it is a file, but when you change the sshd_config, it expects each user to have a file, not one global file

ok

mkdir /etc/ssh/authorized_keys, then add a file for each user under there that matches the user name, and put the key in that
then in sshd_config, use: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u
so when bob tries to login, it will look for his keys in: /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/bob
the way you had it, any user with a key in that file could login as any user they specified

how about to keep things a bit simpler as far as key numbers go...../etc/ssh/authorized_keys/authorized_keys then ln -s /etc..../authorized_keys user
then I can use the same key for any user I wish to log in as....I could still do a seperate file for a given user if I wanted to be sure they couldn't log in as one of the other users

that wont work as you expect, simple is the way i pasted

but I can do this for myself to log in as root or a couple other usernames that I use without having multiple keys

hey guys. it's weird. I did "sudo aptitude --purge remove apache" and apache2... but there were still files like /etc/apache and such... shouldn't these be removed already?

well, if you only ever want yourself to have ssh access then it will work fine, but then you only need one authorized key file really
in that case: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys, then just make that a file instead of a dir and put your key in it

check my new error

but then if later I decide to give "jim" ssh access i can create a seperate key and in /etc.../authorized_keys/jim

ah, well that works then

then jim would not be able to log in a root or me
hey, you helped me figure that out :P

sounds like you got it all figured out. now go test it

i think im doing this wrong

run ssh-keygen, and just accept the default key filenames and enter a password. thats all you need to do

right
did that
and copied the file contents
and am trying to use it
and i got the error i msgd you

so to go back to my original thing then, I can just use adduser with the default settings and not worry about it because I currently do not have ftp running, and the server runs headless, so the only way to log in to it is through ssh so I shouldn't have to worry about anything, correct?

why are you copying the key files? daeos

because i do not know what i am suppose to do i suppose..... ?

....except the putty login still does not work

yes thats right. but careful if you ever add another service that would allow them to login as well

if/when I decide to do that, i'll be back here

ls ~/.ssh, what files do you have there? (paste all one line here please)
dragonfly:

any thoughts on the putty login problem? I know it's a windows thing, but just in case

you have to tell putty in the settings to use your keyfile you generated and saved
then save those settings to a name and double click them each time you run putty

did that but it says the server won't accept the key or something along those lines

i used putty gen to make a key, Server refused our key

i've tried in putty and in winscp which uses the putty keys

make sure you restarted ssh on linux. start by testing ssh locally first is probably a good idea
your authorized_key file is probably go bad info then, check the man pages
my ssh support is over now good luck guys

I have restarted and can login using the ssh-keygen key from another linux box
ok, thanks MangosDebian

np
thanks to you two for helping me solidify my ssh knowledge though, /me bows

I am so disappointed! aptitude remove package still leave files in /etc?
even aptitude --purge package as well

you might need to purge them

purge wont touch modified files or new files you added
purge only removed original unmodified configs iirc

no, it removes all configuration files belonging to a package.

even new and modified ones?

however, you actually have to be purging the package which owns the configuration files, which you may not be doing.

ahh, i stand corrected

new configuration files don't belong to the package; modified ones do, and they should be removed.

ok, that makes sense

which configuration files aren't being removed when you purge a package?

hi what's the difference between /var/spool/mail and /var/amil ?

dondelelcaro, the whole damn /etc dir and there are other places... like /var /usr and such

one is a symlink to the other

dondelelcaro, I tried it out with apt-get --purge remove packages as well which is weird

hmm

dondelelcaro, aptitude remove pacakge definitely removed all involved packages though... but not the darn directories... I just know that when I do a locate.. they're all there.. (I did updatedb first as well)

thanks
quick question why does the mail server first put the email in /var/mail/username and then after read moves it to ~/mbox ?
quick question why does the mail server first put the email in /var/mail/username and then after read moves it to ~/mbox ?

time to change my passwords

the directories will stay as long as there are files inside of them.
/var for example contains files which don't belong specifically to a package, as well as /etc.

dondelelcaro, oh I know I know

so... what exactly is the problem?

dondelelcaro, I'm talking about specific dirs belonging to the package

directories don't belong to specific packages, actually.

dondelelcaro, /etc/apache /etc/apache2

they're just removed after the last package that uses them is removed/purged, assuming they're empty.

what filenames exist in /etc/apache(2)?

those directories don't belong to a specific package; lots of packages install configuration files into /etc/apache or /etc/apache2, so just removing the apache or apache2 package isn't going to do much.

hmmm. lemme paste the locate file

ls them, just use locate in case your updatedb has issues

don't give us the locate file; just ls -lR those directories.

dondelelcaro:
at this point, im expecting his updatedb is immutable or something silly. in here it wouldnt surprise me

Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jack-audio-connection-kit/jackd_0.101.1-2_i386.deb: Size mismatch